[05:34] <Kilos> morning all
[05:52] <superfly> hiya Kilos
[05:55] <Kilos> just for interests sake superfly have you ever booted and your im apps windows had shrunk?
[05:55] <superfly> shrunk?
[05:55] <Kilos> my pidgin and xchat were tiny flattish windows at bottom of screen
[05:56] <Kilos> i normally run the full size each in own workspace
[05:56] <superfly> Kilos: dunno what you're talking about, never seen that
[05:56] <Kilos> hehe see murphy does live here
[05:57] <Kilos> is easy to drag them to size again i just wondered if it is only me
[05:58] <superfly> only you, Kilos
[05:58] <superfly> :-P
[05:58] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[05:59] <Kilos> and have to manualy enable mobile broadband everytime
[06:00] <superfly> Kilos: I don't use mobile broadband much
[06:00] <superfly> Kilos: and when I do, I usually use KPPP
[06:01] <Kilos> oh in terminal like gnomeppp
[06:04] <Kilos> i got a big fright when i downloaded kubuntu and lost connection at 98%, tried modem in other ports but no joy so used the cell to get online and after about 5 mins wget carried on with the download
[06:05] <Kilos> would cried to lose 98%of 703m data
[06:05] <Kilos> would have
[06:05] <Kilos> hi Tonberry 
[06:43] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:43] <inetpro> Kilos: don't worry I'm still alive
[06:54] <magespawn> morning all
[06:56] <Kilos> hi inetpro magespawn 
[07:07] <magespawn> whats up Kilos?
[07:08] <Kilos> still trying to found the sound for xchat and quassel magespawn 
[07:08] <Kilos> some plugin or something i think is missing
[07:08] <Kilos> and youre side?
[07:11] <magespawn> kids on school holiday so they at work with me today
[07:11] <Kilos> lekker
[07:12] <magespawn> mmm they busy watching cartoons on youtube at the moment
[07:12] <Kilos> inetpro, whats the kde for gedit?
[07:13] <Kilos> lol yeah kids love the idiot box
[07:13] <inetpro> Kilos: kate
[07:14] <Kilos> so you do sudo kate filename?
[07:14] <inetpro> Kilos: you on KDE now?
[07:14] <Kilos> you been missing out man
[07:14] <Kilos> downloaded with wget using night surfer data
[07:15] <Kilos> and its to big for cd so did my first usb install
[07:15] <inetpro> Kilos: wow!
[07:15]  * inetpro is impressed
[07:15] <inetpro> Kilos: do you really want to edit stuff as the root user?
[07:15] <Kilos> but no sound in xchat or quassel
[07:16] <Kilos> looking at  http://superuser.com/questions/22767/enable-system-beep-in-ubuntu 
[07:16] <inetpro> Kilos: Settings | Configure Notifications
[07:16] <inetpro> Kilos: that is in quassel
[07:17] <Kilos> what you mean what
[07:17] <Kilos> i did that with the fly and right things are ticked
[07:18] <Kilos> its an outside thing, because xchat has no sound either and i know how to get bloeps going on xchat
[07:19] <Kilos> i did those 4 notifications and sound works while in there 
[07:20] <inetpro> Kilos: sorry, I will have to help later whne there's time
[07:20] <inetpro> when*
[07:20] <Kilos> np inetpro 
[07:20] <Kilos> ill keep looking
[07:21] <Kilos> google is my friend you know
[07:21]  * Kilos hates google
[07:21] <inetpro> anyway, if you really need to edit stuff in the kate editor as a root user run 'kdesu kate'
[07:21] <Kilos> ty
[07:21] <inetpro> kate = KDE Advanced Text Editor
[07:22] <Kilos> aha
[07:22] <inetpro> years ahead of gedit
[07:22] <Kilos> im trying to keep kde pure here otherwise i would installed gedt
[07:24] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[07:25] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[07:25] <Kilos> kdesu kate   -- command not found
[07:25] <Kilos> grrr
[07:25] <Kilos> with sudo as well
[07:31] <inetpro> Kilos: is kate installed?
[07:32] <Kilos> when i did sudo kate filename it opened a window but it was empty
[07:33] <inetpro> Kilos: obviously!
[07:33] <magespawn> doesn't that mean it is a new file?
[07:33] <Kilos> yes it was installed but did an aptitude reinstall 
[07:34] <inetpro> Kilos: unless filename is an existing file and has something in it
[07:34] <Kilos> yes so there no blacklist stuff in there
[07:34] <Kilos> do you run kdesu kate with sudo?
[07:35] <inetpro> Kilos: but you can't run kdesu from the commandline
[07:35] <inetpro> KDE su (kdesu) is a graphical front end for the UNIX® su command for the K Desktop Environment. 
[07:36] <Kilos> ah
[07:36] <inetpro> press Alt+F2 and then kdesu kate /folder/filename
[07:37] <Kilos> alt+f2 does what
[07:37] <Kilos> nothing happens here
[07:38] <inetpro> Kilos: are you really running KDE?
[07:38] <Kilos> ya 12.04
[07:38] <inetpro> native install?
[07:38] <Kilos> clean install
[07:39] <Kilos> and fully upgraded
[07:39] <inetpro> ai
[07:39] <Kilos> ai what???
[07:39] <Kilos> eish you frighten me when you say that
[07:39] <Kilos> hehe
[07:40] <inetpro> Kilos: what happens when you press Alt+F1
[07:40] <Kilos> i see the app launcher
[07:40] <Kilos> that blue thing bottom left
[07:41] <inetpro> ahh the K Menu?
[07:41] <Kilos> ya that thing
[07:42] <inetpro> so that works
[07:42] <Kilos> yip
[07:42]  * inetpro wonders why you don't see anything with Alt+F2
[07:42] <inetpro> Alt+F2 should bring up a small box at the top
[07:42] <inetpro> it's like Win+Run on Windows
[07:43] <inetpro> very similar in functionality
[07:43] <Kilos> lemme go see onna blank workspace
[07:43] <inetpro> a nice shortcut to start programs from there
[07:43] <Kilos> oh
[07:43] <Kilos> wait
[07:43] <Kilos> at the top
[07:44] <inetpro> yep
[07:44] <Kilos> ya i see that
[07:44] <magespawn> my favorite, Alt+F2 and xkill
[07:45] <inetpro> in fact I edit mine to float
[07:46] <Kilos> ya also empty window so its not the blacklist route
[07:46] <Kilos> hey you must go work
[07:46] <Kilos> ill keep looking ty
[07:48] <inetpro> Kilos: anyway you can also do the same thing in the search field of the K Menu at the top 
[07:48] <Kilos> oh ya i like that thing
[07:48] <inetpro> just type kdesu kate /some/file
[07:49] <Kilos> ty
[07:49] <Kilos> hi charlvn 
[07:49] <inetpro> or help:/kdesu/using-kdesu.html
[07:51] <Kilos> i ran this
[07:51] <Kilos> sudo grep pcspkr /var/log/dmesg 
[07:51] <Kilos>  [ 15.620198] input: PC Speaker as /devices/platform/pcspkr/input/input8
[07:52] <Kilos> The program 'i' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[07:52] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install iprint
[07:52] <Kilos> ?
[08:00] <Kilos> here is an error
[08:00] <Kilos> kbuildsycoca4 running...
[08:00] <Kilos> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-miles" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[08:12] <magespawn> uid 0 is root isn't it?
[08:16] <magespawn> the other one should be your login uid Kilos
[08:19] <Kilos> i dunno why it showed that. 
[08:22] <magespawn> sounds like it should be owned by uid 0 so the computer can start or stop it automatically
[08:32] <Kilos> hehe time for another clean install
[08:33] <Kilos> just a bit busy cooking
[08:33] <Kilos> with no xchat sound i dont hear when im chatted to
[08:33] <Kilos> grrr
[08:34] <Kilos> magespawn, you didnt get your wife to make my curry yet
[08:34] <Kilos> nor did inetpro 
[08:34] <Kilos> buncha chickens
[08:35] <Kilos> puuuk puk puk puk
[08:41] <inetpro> Kilos: play /usr/share/sounds/KDE-Im-Message-In.ogg
[08:43] <Kilos> he program 'play' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[08:43] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install sox
[08:45] <Kilos> hehe now it plays a ping
[08:46] <Kilos> installed many dependancies
[08:46] <Kilos> Maaz, hi
[08:46] <Maaz> Sup Kilos
[08:46] <Kilos> still nothing in xchat
[08:49] <inetpro> so your sound is working fine?
[08:49] <Kilos> yes pidgin got sound
[08:50] <inetpro> nothing wrong with the installation
[08:50] <Kilos> only irc clients got no sound
[08:50] <inetpro> just configure notification in quassel and tick the play button
[08:51] <inetpro> and make sure you have a sound file like KDE-Im-Highlight-Msg.ogg in there
[08:51] <Kilos> i have over and over
[08:51] <Kilos> if i tick that tiny triangle there it makes sound
[08:51] <inetpro> did you put it in the Highlight event
[08:52] <Kilos> all 4
[08:53] <kilos_> here be quassel
[08:53] <inetpro> Kilos: is 'Play a sound' ticked?
[08:53] <kilos_> i go look again but yes it was
[08:54] <inetpro> Kilos: are you even using quassel now?
[08:54] <kilos_> yes all ticked and it plays a ping from the right hand triangle
[08:55] <inetpro> so what is the problem?
[08:55] <kilos_> lol  ya man
[08:55] <kilos_> and xchat when quassels sound didnt work
[08:55] <inetpro> but quassel's sound is working now?
[08:56] <kilos_> i dunno when i close the little window thats the end of the sound
[08:56] <inetpro> what window?
[08:56] <kilos_> im on quassel here
[08:56] <Kilos> xchat here
[08:56] <inetpro> nee man, you out to confuse me?
[08:56] <Kilos> the one that opens to set up sound
[08:56] <Kilos> look nick
[08:57] <magespawn> Kilos or kilos_ i did not even give it to her yet
[08:57] <inetpro> Kilos: don't troubleshoot to many things at the same time
[08:57] <kilos_> shame on you magespawn
[08:58] <inetpro> Kilos, kilos_: what if we refer to both nicks?
[08:58] <kilos_> inetpro: i was on xchat then you started asking about setting in quassel so i opened it
[08:58] <kilos_> i get all messages on both
[08:59] <kilos_> and popups showing
[08:59] <inetpro> Kilos, kilos_: so do you get a sound?
[08:59] <kilos_> nothing on either
[08:59] <inetpro> ai
[08:59] <kilos_> ya ai
[08:59] <kilos_> but only the irc clients
[08:59] <kilos_> other sounds work
[09:01] <kilos_> ok xchat gone
[09:01] <inetpro> kilos_: xchat is not native to KDE
[09:01] <inetpro> start by troubleshooting the naticve apps first
[09:01] <inetpro> native*
[09:02] <inetpro> perhaps play around in Systems Settings | Harware | Multimedia
[09:02] <inetpro> Hardware*
[09:02] <kilos_> ok i go see
[09:08] <kilos_> its got phono and audio cds but test sound doesnt work from either
[09:08] <Kilos> phonon
[09:10] <Kilos> ha found a system settings handbook, will go through it
[12:30] <inetpro> Kilos: en as jy nou so stilbly?
[12:31] <Kilos> ek rus nou. het iets gedoen in alsamixer maar verder as dit nou is daar geen klank meer nie, nerens.
[12:32] <Kilos> cant remember how i got to the last 2 windows that opened but last one show all ogg files
[12:32] <Kilos> now head popping
[12:33] <Kilos> so deciding whether to try find later or reinstall
[12:33] <Kilos> hehe
[16:00] <Ludo> any progrsmmers around here who's brain I can pick?
[16:09] <inetpro> Ludo: don't ask to ask, just ask
[16:10] <inetpro> the rubber duck debugging method can be very effective
[16:12] <inetpro> Ludo: BTW, wb
[16:18] <Ludo> Ok to all the devs and dba out there: What do you do when you dont want to use a column anymore in a table but also don't want to drop it because the data in the column is important, or was. How do you mark that column?
[16:25] <Ludo> thanks inetpro
[16:27] <zeref> Ludo: what to you mean by "mark that Column"
[16:29] <zeref> *do
[16:35] <Ludo> so for example one app or framework have a metadata table where they mark that column as inactive. Another developer adds a _ infront of it. What I want to know what is a good practice
[16:39] <superfly> Ludo: why do you need to mark it?
[16:43] <Ludo> because some where in the future you maybe want to finally archive the information and drop the column so now you need remember that when if it is marked or logged in a table somewhere you can either query the table or the catalog and find all those columns
[16:43] <Ludo> ai english i fail
[16:44] <zeref> Ludo: in the filed, there should be an option to set the column as inactive (=0) then your queries should reflect that
[16:45] <zeref> s/filed/field
[16:57] <Ludo> thanks for the input zeref
[17:02] <smile> hi all :;)
[17:02] <smile> :)
[17:11] <kodez> greetings smile
[17:11] <smile> hi kodez :)
[17:13] <kodez> how are you?
[17:17] <zeref> hmmm
[17:17] <smile> kodez: i'm fine, you too? :)
[17:17] <smile> why do girls always let you wait :|
[17:18] <kodez> i am better than yesterday, thanks for asking.
[17:26] <kodez> has anyone used remastersys?
[17:32] <smile> yes, and I found it not good enough for what I wanted
[17:33] <smile> :)
[17:33] <smile> kodez: have you tried it yet?
[17:37] <kodez> yes i have tried it and i am unable to create an installation distro of my customised OS
[17:38] <kodez> I need help to understand how remastersys works
[17:38] <kodez> i did managed to create a live DVD
[17:41] <Symmetria> goddamn
[17:42] <Symmetria> I have no words for what I just heard from a certain internet registry
[17:42] <Symmetria> about concurrent IP utilization
[17:42] <Symmetria> their argument... if a student is in a lab, using a machine, they dont need to be using their ipad and their phones at the same time
[17:42] <Symmetria> so those devices wont need ip addresses on the wireless networks
[17:42] <Symmetria> ................
[17:42] <Symmetria> omfg
[17:43] <Kerbero> what!
[17:43] <Kerbero> lol
[17:44] <Symmetria> Kerbero Im 2 stunned right now to even know what to say to that
[17:44] <Kerbero> that is like a perfect summary of stellenbosch's IT department
[17:44] <Kerbero> they don't even know the difference between SSL and SSH
[17:44] <Symmetria> Kerbero yeah except this came from the african internet registry
[17:44] <Kerbero> lol
[17:45] <Kerbero> that is bad
[17:45] <Kerbero> everyone should just stop their s* and go ipv6
[17:45] <Kerbero> my ipv6 HE tunnel works very nicely
[17:45] <Kerbero> in conjunction with my /64 and /48 blocks
[17:45] <Kerbero> :D
[17:53] <magespawn> evening all
[17:56] <zeref> Symmetria: Is it better to spread a database over many servers or replicate the database over many servers?
[18:07]  * Kerbero would go with the replicate option
[18:07] <Kerbero> but i guess it depends on the use case
[18:07] <Kerbero> if you have a lot of IO on the DB spreading the load should be better
[18:10] <magespawn> http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UVixm1MUJGU&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DUVixm1MUJGU
[18:10] <magespawn> unity video
[18:12] <zeref> so Kerbero, what does say facebook use?
[18:14] <Kerbero> distributed
[18:15] <Kerbero> because that is immensely much IO
[18:16] <smile> bye
[18:16] <Kerbero> zeref: a good read is http://www.zdnet.com/google-reveals-spanner-the-database-tech-that-can-span-the-planet-7000004421/
[18:16] <smile> good night, Kerbero :)
[18:16] <Kerbero> lekker slaap smile
[18:16] <smile> dankie
[18:28] <bmg505> hello
[18:29] <bmg505> so I am 1 day and 2 hours late for the meeting again :(
[18:29] <bmg505> or rather 6 day and 22 hours early
[18:31] <Kerbero> ZS6LMG, ZS1JPM
[19:52] <inetpro> good evening
[20:23] <Kilos> bed time guys
[20:24] <Kilos> Maaz, google sakis3g for kubuntu 12.04
[20:24] <Maaz> Kilos: "Ubuntu e le chiavette internet non riconosciute, Sakis3G è la - LffL" http://www.lffl.org/2012/05/ubuntu-e-le-chiavette-internet-non.html :: "How to Install Vodafone 3G USB Modem on Ubuntu" http://skyfire.hubpages.com/hub/How-to-Install-Vodafone-3G-USB-Modem-on-Ubuntu :: "Ubuntu 12.04 Review: This is the Distro you're ... - Lunduke.com"
[20:24] <Maaz> http://lunduke.com/?p=2813 :: "New '12.04' Answers By New Users - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/tags/12.0…
[20:24] <Kilos> sjoe
[20:24] <Kilos> Maaz, google sakis3g
[20:24] <Maaz> Kilos: "Sakis3G - All-in-one script" http://www.sakis3g.org/ :: "Sakis3G wiki" http://wiki.sakis3g.org/ :: "Mobile Broadband Internet connection and Sakis3G" http://linuxconfig.org/mobile-broadband-connection-and-sakis3g :: "Raspberry Pi • View topic - RaspPi & Sakis3g" http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=12736&f=46 :: "Sakis3G - Ubuntu Forums"
[20:24] <Maaz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1580427 :: "Sakis3G: All-in-one script « TODO forev…
[20:28] <Kilos> sleep tight all
[20:30] <inetpro> Ludo: sorry, did you get your answer you where looking for?