[12:59] <smartboyhw> Good evening scott-work ailo-w len-dt 
[13:00]  * smartboyhw finds the completion rate for Ubuntu Studio blueprints is 91% quite good
[13:01] <scott-work> heh, i'm probably all of the remaining 9% that wasn't done then :P
[13:02] <smartboyhw> scott-work, I think that is mine for the testcase rewrites still INPROGRESS
[13:04] <ailo-w> I seem to suffer from the symptom when you feel like you've done quite a lot, but nothing shows
[13:05] <ailo-w> Been really busy this whole cycle
[13:05] <smartboyhw> ailo-w, LOL
[13:05] <ailo-w> I was coding a program, my own project. Thought it would take me a couple of days. Took me more like 20
[13:06] <ailo-w> Leaves little time for anything else
[13:06] <smartboyhw> Ooh 
[13:07] <ailo-w> I'm kind of stuck in a vice. I really have to do my own stuff. Then there
[13:07] <ailo-w> Then there's school
[13:07] <ailo-w> Right now, it's PHP
[13:08] <smartboyhw> ailo-w, don't worry:P
[13:08] <ailo-w> Will be network stuff later, probably
[13:08] <ailo-w> If one had many lives..
[13:08]  * smartboyhw is staggered of yesterday's logs, staggering 51KB
[13:09] <ailo-w> ubuntustudio-controls I will do, as well as finish what I can on documentation. It's just that progress is so ridicilously slow
[13:09] <smartboyhw> ailo-w, er....
[13:09]  * smartboyhw goes and looks more carefully:P
[13:10] <smartboyhw> scott-work, the 9% remaining as I discovered is actually 62.5% from ailo-w, 25% from me and 12.5% from len-dt :P
[13:12] <smartboyhw> To all: Good thing:P
[13:12] <smartboyhw> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2065486
[13:12] <smartboyhw> Nice letter
[13:14] <ailo-w> scott-work: Buy Ubuntu Studio?
[13:15] <ailo-w> His experiences seemed very subjective. Doesn't really reflect how things have been, I think. 
[13:15] <smartboyhw> ailo-w, I want him to donate or contribute instead of buying, we;re F/OSS:P
[13:15] <ailo-w> IMO, linux-lowlatency and realtime privilege put Ubuntu Studio back to a out of the box audio workstation
[13:16] <ailo-w> I guess information is easier to get now, more than ever
[13:16] <ailo-w> Which is a step forward too
[13:16] <smartboyhw> ailo-w, :)
[13:19] <smartboyhw> Hey saw this in Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter
[13:19] <smartboyhw> http://maketecheasier.com/ubuntu-studio-a-distro-for-recording/2012/09/26
[13:21] <ailo-w> smartboyhw: Nice one
[13:21] <smartboyhw> ailo-w, :)
[13:21] <ailo-w> It's not that bad right now, I guess. 
[13:21] <nohaggis> LOL
[13:22] <ailo-w> But, there's still lots to do
[13:22]  * nohaggis thinks the R cycle will be a lot more challenging
[13:22] <ailo-w> nohaggis: What u got against haggis?
[13:23] <nohaggis> ailo-w, a joke in #ubuntuforums:P
[13:27] <ailo-w> Never tried Haggis, but I did eat dog in Canton
[13:27] <ailo-w> But, I'm a vegeterian now..
[13:27] <smartboyhw> ailo-w, er I don't eat dogs:P
[13:27] <smartboyhw> ailo-w, oh 
[13:28]  * smartboyhw has a classmate who does not eat vegetables:P
[13:28] <ailo-w> smartboyhw: Well, you're from HK. Not like your mainland neighbors
[13:29] <ailo-w> I spent some time in Jiang Men. And passed through some other cities, like Shen Zhen, Guang Dong?
[13:29] <smartboyhw> ailo-w, yeah. We do HATE (morally and behaviourly) and LOVE (economically) them
[13:30] <ailo-w> In Jiang Men, many had never seen a Westerner, it seemed like
[13:31] <ailo-w> I miss China sometimes. Especially the food, even though I don't eat meat anymore
[13:31] <smartboyhw> Ooh
[13:34] <smartboyhw> ailo-w, btw as you said about your pet project before how is it going?
[13:34] <ailo-w> smartboyhw: Hopefully I will finish enough of it for it to be usable this year. Something I though I would accomplish this summer. 
[13:35] <smartboyhw> ailo-w, good:)
[13:35] <ailo-w> Once I have a functional version, I will start thinking about porting it to C/C++, and get more people involved
[13:35] <ailo-w> I need more time to think about the structure for the whole thing
[13:35] <smartboyhw> ailo-w, good:)
[13:46] <smartboyhw> ailo_, holstein, scott-work Really do we need an impromptu (or scheduled) meeting to just talk about adding LMMS?:P
[13:48] <holstein> smartboyhw: im not going to want to include it
[13:48] <holstein> scott-work doesnt care about it
[13:48] <smartboyhw> holstein, but ailo_ cares:P
[13:48] <holstein> i say that rather than "i dont care about including LMMS"
[13:48] <holstein> smartboyhw: sure, and as i said, ailo_ can/should
[13:48] <smartboyhw> stochastic, your comment?
[13:49] <holstein> i wont "vote it down"
[13:49] <smartboyhw> OK
[13:49] <holstein> smartboyhw: if you want to take it on, and push it in, i wont complain
[13:49] <holstein> if its a sentence that is structured like a question in any way, i think LMMS is a toy
[13:50] <smartboyhw> holstein, well this is a community decision so I can't decide
[13:50] <holstein> someone will need to take it on though
[13:50] <smartboyhw> holstein, I already proposed code merge for that:P
[13:52] <holstein> smartboyhw: LMMS? cool
[13:52] <smartboyhw> holstein, yes:P
[13:52] <holstein> i mean, i still think its a toy.. but if folks use it, and its stable now, great!
[13:52] <smartboyhw> holstein, well someone asked for that in #ubuntustudio yesterday to ask why we didn't:P
[13:53] <holstein> sure, but i could ask about a lot of things too
[13:53] <holstein> we cant include everything
[13:53] <smartboyhw> holstein, we know
[13:54] <holstein> plenty of time though.. as long as its stable.. is it?
[13:55] <smartboyhw> holstein, last build is 9 months ago
[13:55] <smartboyhw> for itP
[13:55] <holstein> sure. there was a new build when it was crashing for me in 10.04
[13:55] <holstein> and 9.10...
[13:56] <holstein> i think someone should actually pull it up and run it with JACK... just to be sure
[13:56] <holstein> i can do that, if need be
[13:56] <smartboyhw> holstein, OK do it:P
[13:56] <holstein> i would want that to be a deciding factor... a human actually running the software in JACK on a 12.10 system...
[13:57] <holstein> smartboyhw: i'll try and get a daily downloaded this week...
[13:57] <smartboyhw> holstein, thx
[14:06] <astraljava> smartboyhw: Please keep in mind (re: LMMS inclusion) that at this stage we're under the Feature Freeze, so you'll need to file a FFe to get it included. Also, docs have to be changed accordingly.
[14:06] <smartboyhw> astraljava, oh no..............
[14:07]  * smartboyhw forgotten about FF
[14:07] <smartboyhw> That gives it to R then:P
[14:07] <astraljava> And being that Beta-2 was already published, I wouldn't accept such an exception anymore, if I were in release team.
[14:07] <astraljava> Though, I suppose flavors can have their way a little bit easier.
[14:07]  * smartboyhw goes to beat himself
[14:08] <astraljava> But yeah, it'd be much safer to leave it for R cycle.
[14:08] <smartboyhw> Thanks for the reminder astraljava 
[14:08] <astraljava> No need to beat yourself.
[14:08] <smartboyhw> LOL
[14:08] <astraljava> The merge request can still be there, it can be merged whenever.
[14:08] <smartboyhw> astraljava, OK
[14:09] <astraljava> So yeah, everything's cool, just make it happen during the next cycle, is my recommendation. :)
[14:09]  * astraljava wanders off again...
[14:09] <smartboyhw> astraljava, thx:P
[14:09]  * smartboyhw finds out that Xubuntu QA leads like to wander off:P
[14:16] <stochastic> hi all
[14:16] <smartboyhw> hi stochastic 
[14:17] <smartboyhw> stochastic, are you the guy who just sent the LMMS email?
[14:17]  * stochastic is Eric
[14:17] <smartboyhw> ah OK
[14:17] <stochastic> :)
[14:18]  * smartboyhw is thinking to add it into ubuntustudio-default-settings instead for R.
[14:18] <smartboyhw> So people can choose whether to install it or not.
[14:19] <stochastic> There are literally hundreds (no exaggeration) of similar cases where people would probably find an app useful...
[14:20] <stochastic> it's tough to pare everything down to a selection of core apps but we do need to be ruthless and justify why everything is included
[14:20] <smartboyhw> OK
[14:20] <stochastic> in the past things were getting out of control with the music apps in particular
[14:21] <stochastic> why is rosegarden not included?
[14:21] <smartboyhw> stochastic, er....
[14:21] <stochastic> why is gungirl sequencer not included?
[14:21] <stochastic> etc...
[14:23] <stochastic> why is frescobaldi not included?
[14:23] <smartboyhw> stochastic, OK I get the point:P
[14:24] <stochastic> lol
[14:24] <smartboyhw> LOL
[14:24] <stochastic> that being said, a constant app review process is a healthy thing to be doing.  We need to keep our application selections current.
[14:25] <smartboyhw> stochastic, ok
[14:26] <stochastic> anyways I'm off to class to write an Econ exam
[14:26] <smartboyhw> stochastic, bye bye
[15:01] <scott-work> that guy from the forum post made a comment on my blog saying the same thing yesterday. i would like to respond to him soon.
[15:02] <smartboyhw> scott-work, oh!
[15:02] <smartboyhw> scott-work, what's your blog link again?
[15:03] <scott-work> http://dullass.blogspot.com/
[15:03] <smartboyhw> scott-work, er where IS the comment:P
[15:04] <scott-work> under the latest post
[15:05] <smartboyhw> scott-work, btw I found your wiki page in wiki.ubuntu.com a bit too long:P You don't have to list EVERYTHING:P
[15:05] <smartboyhw> scott-work, ah the comment ....
[15:05] <scott-work> smartboyhw: i was told to list everything i did to help with my ubuntu application
[15:06] <smartboyhw> scott-work, er.......:P
[15:06]  * smartboyhw is going to apply soon but then he isn't gonna list like that;P
[15:36] <smartboyhw> ailo_, saw some items in the documentation blueprint is still TODO for you, can you change it either to DONE or POSTPONED?