[00:16] <dr_willis> Hmm.. Just noticed that under Synaptic->Software Sources .. it has a list of the Additional Drivers In use....   Showing my Nvidia drivers.. never noticed that befor.
[00:16] <dr_willis> ;)
[00:26] <Daekdroom> dr_willis, it's the replacement for Hardware Drivers
[00:27] <dr_willis> The 'additional-drivers' tool you mean? aka  'jockey-gtk' ?
[00:27] <Daekdroom> Yes.
[00:27] <dr_willis> thats going to confuse a lot of people. ;P
[00:28] <Daekdroom> Yeah. It doesn't seem very intuitive to place it there
[00:28] <ActionPa1snip> i just install nvidia-current in terminal, way easier
[00:28] <Daekdroom> It's almost as if they are hiding it (which might be intentional)
[00:28] <dr_willis> i think they really should look into some sort of 'first time setup wizard' to handle a lot of this stuff.
[00:29] <dr_willis> Hmm.. webapps was working.. now its not. ;P   thats another of those neat ideas that seems.. lacking once you start to use it.
[00:34] <Daekdroom> Did they change the message indicator icon?
[00:34] <Daekdroom> It's much better now.
[00:37] <dr_willis> I can see myself using the Software-center less and less. ;) just more 'noise' then actual info to do what i want to do...
[00:45] <ActionPa1snip> dr_willis: i'd say so too, apt-fast all the way
[00:48] <dr_willis> But you REALLY need this 'compost calculator' for ONLY $9.95
[00:57] <designbybeck> since 12.04... on my netbook(just happened when i typed that)... I have a lag... everynow and then
[00:57] <designbybeck> I do type fast!?!?!?
[00:58] <designbybeck> but.....i dont' know why when i type.... ever so many words.... it will lag
[00:58] <designbybeck> any idea why?
[01:00] <ActionPa1snip> designbybeck: is the RAM healthy?
[01:00] <designbybeck> 1GB on the netbook ActionPa1snip?
[01:01] <ActionPa1snip> designbybeck: is it healthy though?
[01:01] <designbybeck> Dell 1012 mini
[01:01] <designbybeck> ...he hasn't been the to dr?!
[01:02] <designbybeck> how might I check ActionPa1snip?
[01:02] <ActionPa1snip> designbybeck: hold shift at boot and select memtest
[01:03] <designbybeck> Hmmm.... ok
[01:03] <designbybeck> ok....brb
[01:08] <spaceneedle> Ubuntu 12.10(nor Xubuntu 12.10) won't boot from a usb stick on a dell latitude d610. Tried nomodeset and I got a kernel panic--not syncing:attempted to kill init! error and a bunch of other lines.
[01:22] <bjsnider> can someone please confirm that totem works, can play stuff without an error message
[01:22] <Daekdroom> I can.
[01:23] <bjsnider> what kinds of files?
[01:24] <Daekdroom> mp4, mkv
[01:24] <Daekdroom> (both x264 iirc)
[01:24] <Daekdroom> xvid avi
[01:25] <jbicha> bjsnider: which version of totem?  and what's the video codec?
[01:28] <bjsnider> jbicha, didn't want to bug you about this, but since you're up
[01:28] <bjsnider> it was 3.5.92 from the ppa
[01:28] <bjsnider> it will not play any file of any type, music or video
[01:29] <bjsnider> "this file cannot be played over the network"
[01:29] <bjsnider> it is not on a network resource
[01:29] <jbicha> I've not been running the gnome3 ppa the last few days, but it could just be that we need the new clutter-gst-2.0
[01:29] <bjsnider> i built 3.6 here and tried it, and the same thing happens
[01:30] <jbicha> bjsnider: ok, try building clutter-gst-2.0 1.9.92
[01:30] <bjsnider> i was going to ping ricotz about it tomorrow
[01:32] <bjsnider> jbicha, would i need to rebuild totem against it too?
[01:33] <jbicha> I don't know, I forget what happened the last time gstreamer-1.0 broke things
[01:35] <bjsnider> ok, i'll rebuild it just in case
[01:39] <bandit-led> any one else experiancing lockups after todays updates?
[01:42] <bjsnider> ok, installing that package without rebuilding totem doesn't fix it
[01:49] <bjsnider> jbicha, no change
[01:50] <jbicha> oh really? hmm...
[01:58] <bjsnider> jbicha, here's a strange thing. i'm seeing jack error message whenever i try to open a file with totem
[02:02] <bjsnider> Daekdroom, do you log in from lightdm or gdm?
[02:02] <Daekdroom> lightdm.
[02:03] <bjsnider> can you run cat .cache/gdm/session.log
[02:03] <Daekdroom> Well..
[02:03] <Daekdroom> It doesn't exist, obviously.
[02:04] <bjsnider> can you start totem from the cli and play something to see if there's any errata?
[02:04] <bjsnider> or even just stdout
[02:11] <jbicha> bjsnider: totem 3.5.92 from the gnome3 ppa is working fine here
[02:12] <bjsnider> jbicha, if you logged in from gdm can you check the log for stdout or whatever when you are using totem?
[02:14] <jbicha> except for a grilo error, no problems
[02:16] <bjsnider> oh well, not going to worry about it anymore
[02:24] <designbybeck> ActionPa1snip: ....1 1/2 hours later
[02:24] <designbybeck> .......passed.........
[02:30] <Daekdroom> How can one remove a webapp?
[02:30] <Daekdroom> Uninstalling the corresponding package is not enough, apparently.
[02:38] <ActionPa1snip> !adlens
[02:39] <Daekdroom> ActionPa1snip, yeah, that doesn't tell me how to remove "Facebook" and "Google" from my messaging menu
[02:39] <ActionPa1snip> Daekdroom: dpkg -l | grep -i facebook
[02:39] <Daekdroom> Shipping webapps without an easy-to-find way to remove them is a bit.. meh.
[02:39] <Daekdroom> That didn't do it.
[02:40] <Daekdroom> It makes it not work anymore, but the shortcuts in Dash and messaging menu are still there.
[02:40] <Daekdroom> I don't get to see it in the Launcher whenever I open Facebook on Firefox, tho.
[02:40] <jbicha> Daekdroom: did you try logging out and logging back in?
[02:41] <Daekdroom> ... it's been this way for a few days.
[02:41] <ActionPa1snip> Daekdroom: http://www.webupd8.org/2012/07/install-new-ubuntu-webapps-technology.html
[02:41] <Daekdroom> I removed the packages for facebook and google, and the shortcuts are still there.
[02:41] <ActionPa1snip> Daekdroom: source: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ubuntu+remove+web+apps
[02:41] <Daekdroom> That tells me how to remove the feature, not a specific webapp |:
[02:42] <Daekdroom> I do know I'm being annoying as well, but is it only me seeing the flaw there?
[02:42] <ActionPa1snip> Daekdroom: dpkg -l | grep web | grep app
[02:42] <Daekdroom> It seems to me it's not possible to get rid of the shortcuts. (I do have to confess I haven't tried removing all the webapp stuff, but I don't want to lose all my webapps)
[02:43] <Daekdroom> I could try that, however, I can get all the other ones back afterwards.
[02:43] <ActionPa1snip> they may be bundled in one single package rather than granularly
[02:43] <Daekdroom> The shortcuts?
[02:43] <ActionPa1snip> maybe
[02:43] <Daekdroom> As far as I know, they are created by Firefox.
[02:44] <Daekdroom> (i.e. when you click "Yes" on the offer to install the webapp)
[02:44] <ActionPa1snip> Daekdroom: not something I've seen tbh, I don't use firefox
[02:58] <Daekdroom> Well, after removing all the webapps related packages (which even accidentally removed Unity), all the shortcuts are still there.
[02:58] <Daekdroom> I can still find Amazon and Facebook in Dash for example.
[02:58] <Daekdroom> I'll start digging Launchpad for a bug report.
[08:28] <konqui> Is it possible to move the unity launcher to the bottom? I hate getting horizontal scroll bars
[08:34] <gnomefreak> konqui: i have not found a way to move it
[09:44] <md_5> oh so thats what the unity install scripts do
[13:12] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:28] <vega-> hmm, standard ubuntu 12.10 install takes 1,5GB of memory after login with only one terminal open
[13:29] <jtaylor> what uses it all?
[13:29] <vega-> a lot of crap... xorg and compiz are top 2
[13:30] <vega-> https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/installation-guide/i386/memory-disk-requirements.html
[13:30] <jtaylor> both are at 0.6% for me
[13:30] <vega-> "You must have at least 44MB of memory and 500MB" hehe
[13:30] <vega-> recommended ram is 512 MB ...
[13:31] <vega-> jtaylor: well that kinda depends on how much ram you have total?
[13:31] <jtaylor> 4gb
[13:31] <vega-> me too
[13:31] <Daekdroom> Is it 1.5GiB of memory with or without cache?
[13:31] <vega-> xorg takes 9% while compiz is at 7%
[13:31] <vega-> Daekdroom: without, real usage
[13:32] <vega-> is RES column in top i believe
[13:34] <tsimpson> "ps aux --no-headers|sort -rnk 4,4|head" find out what's taking your RAM
[13:35] <tsimpson> ^ sorts all processes by memory usage, and prints the top 10
[13:36] <vega-> http://pastebin.com/t4v9Gzdn
[13:37] <vega-> i have also found the gui to be very slow (opening dash with the win key takes about 7 seconds)
[13:37] <vega-> this with nvidia binary drivers
[13:37] <vega-> and typing keywords in dash is horribly slow
[13:38] <vega-> takes seconds for one character to appear after key is pressed
[13:53] <bazhang> !notes
[13:54] <bazhang> not yet I guess
[13:54] <jaxyeh> what's really new with 12.10 release? Not really sure if it's worth an upgrade for me yet.
[14:00] <BluesKaj> jaxyeh, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/TechnicalOverview/Beta2
[14:16] <Pici> Thats in the topic as well.
[14:34] <jaxyeh> BluesKaj: thanks!
[14:39] <BluesKaj> Pici, yeah , that's where i got from
[14:39] <BluesKaj> got it
[14:49] <jokerdino> folks, HALP!. i am stuck bug #1060995
[16:57] <StFS> Hi. Isn't python3 supposed to be the default python on quantal?
[16:57] <ESphynx> Unity recommending Amazon products? Seriously??
[16:57] <ESphynx> "Launch Firefox? Are you sure you don't want to buy a Kindle Fire instead?" -- is this for real?
[17:00] <jtaylor> StFS: many of the main packages now use python3 instead of 2
[17:00] <jtaylor> but its not from the cd yet
[17:00] <jtaylor> also python will always point to python2
[17:09] <StFS> ok... I just tried to install some alsa dkms package with dpkg but the package was for the wrong architecture and tried to start apport but I got a traceback on "/usr/share/apport/package-hooks/dkms_packages.py" with an "ImportError: No module named apport". Just not sure whether to report it on dpkg or apport... or something completely different!?
[17:10] <StFS> but I figured out that it's because the apport module is in python3 and not python2
[17:11] <StFS> here's the full trace: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1258422/
[17:19] <trism> StFS: weird that hook is ported to python3
[17:46] <ESphynx> Seriously this Amazon thing is outrageous.
[17:47] <johnjohn101> i love the amazon search.. just make sure you don't push any personal data into Dash.
[17:47] <ESphynx> johnjohn101: how can you love the amazon search there?
[17:47] <ESphynx> If I wanna search on amazon I'll go on Amazon's damn website
[17:49] <johnjohn101> sarcasm
[17:49] <ESphynx> I was hoping it was =)
[17:49] <ESphynx> Is it easy to remove at all?
[17:50] <ESphynx> in fact I won't mind getting rid of Unity altogether as I hate it passionately.
[17:50] <johnjohn101> i understand canonical wants make money but pushing this on use is a joke
[17:50] <johnjohn101> i like unity otherwise
[17:50] <ESphynx> it is a joke.
[17:50] <ESphynx> I don't.
[17:50] <ESphynx> So I won't mind if I have to remove it all :P
[17:50] <johnjohn101> kde?
[17:50] <johnjohn101> i think you have to remove some shopping lens
[17:50] <ESphynx> johnjohn101: no, hoping to find the time to write my own DE one of these days.
[17:51] <micahg> umm, there is no shortage of DEs in Ubuntu
[17:51] <ESphynx> micahg: I'll settle for another one until I've got mine running :P
[17:52] <johnjohn101> ESphynx: go into synaptic and search shopping and remove
[17:52] <ESphynx> ah great thanks johnjohn101.
[17:52] <johnjohn101> i don't work or represent ubuntu but I think they'll get it correct
[17:53] <ESphynx> johnjohn101: They'll back off you mean?
[17:54] <johnjohn101> supposedly a parameter will enable/disable
[17:54] <ESphynx> "According to Shuttleworth, the Amazon results are not advertisements. They're simply things that match your search terms." -- what? lol
[17:55] <tsimpson> ESphynx: you don't understand?
[17:55] <johnjohn101> well it doesn't say amazon search in dash so it's a bit misleading.
[17:55] <ESphynx> tsimpson: I understand enough to be rolling on the floor :P
[17:55] <tsimpson> advertisement vs something related to what you're looking for
[17:55] <ESphynx> tsimpson: Matching search terms is what Google's whole business is built upon :P
[17:56] <tsimpson> exactly
[17:56] <ESphynx> at least they admit it's advertisement :P
[17:57] <tsimpson> it's a search result :)
[17:57] <johnjohn101> i dont have a problem with optional amazon app/lense to quickly search amazon. I like it better than amazon web interface.  would like for other sites as well.
[17:57] <johnjohn101> but don't throw it into everything i do on the desktop. and don't send personal informationl.
[17:57] <tsimpson> it doesn't send personal information
[17:58] <johnjohn101> if i type personal info into dash it doesn't?
[17:58] <ESphynx> sure it does
[17:58] <tsimpson> what personal info do you type into dash?
[17:58] <johnjohn101> say i'm looking for a document with a name
[17:58] <johnjohn101> or social
[17:59] <johnjohn101> i don't want that stuff being sent to amazon
[17:59] <johnjohn101> or canonical
[17:59] <johnjohn101> or anyone
[17:59] <tsimpson> then disable it, and unplug the cable
[17:59] <johnjohn101> you can't have amazon enabled for any business app
[18:00] <johnjohn101> business computer.
[18:00] <tsimpson> businesses usually do OEM installs, so they'd disable it too
[18:01] <johnjohn101> i like that dash can search amazon.
[18:01] <johnjohn101> it's very powerful
[18:01] <johnjohn101> just don't incorporate in machine search.
[18:01] <tsimpson> unfortunately, this is the way technology is moving
[18:02] <tsimpson> not just ubuntu, but everything
[18:02] <johnjohn101> so that justifies moving this way as well.
[18:02] <tsimpson> it does, when you're a business
[18:02] <johnjohn101> i'll pay for ubuntu if that's the case
[18:03] <johnjohn101> by throwing amzon in our faces, it's making us pay, so i'd rather do it another way
[18:04] <tsimpson> how is it making you pay?
[18:04] <ESphynx> so would I.
[18:04] <johnjohn101> ESphynx: you need to relog in to get rid of shopping
[18:04] <ESphynx> It's a blunt statement of where Ubuntu's going and it does NOT look good.
[18:05] <johnjohn101> it's making me "pay" for showing me advertising but worse it's sending every lookup to canonical
[18:06] <johnjohn101> not monetary costs but in time or distraction
[18:06] <tsimpson> then you have a choice, disable it, use another DE, or use another distribution
[18:06] <tsimpson> vote with your "feet"
[18:07] <ESphynx> Is the dock placeable to the right yet?
[18:08] <johnjohn101> i have no doubt canonical will come to their senses
[18:08] <johnjohn101> but like i said. i'd pay for ubuntu
[19:20] <zerwas> Can someone confirm that Pidgin isn't shown in the Messaging Menu anymore since quantal?
[19:20] <trism> zerwas: it hasn't been ported to the new messaging api yet
[19:21] <zerwas> trism, ah, thanks for the info, so i don't need to file a bug report :)
[19:22] <trism> zerwas: indeed, bug 1040259
[19:25] <zerwas> Thanks!
[19:42] <smallfoot-> unity is adware
[19:42] <smallfoot-> $$$ canonical $$$ ubuntu $$$ amazon $$$
[19:43] <smallfoot-> oh wait, its not adware, its value-added customer satisfaction improvement addition
[20:05] <FunnyLookinHat> So - just updated... and now I can't login to any IM accounts.  Anyone else or should I file a bug ?
[20:19] <bercik1> Hi
[20:19] <bercik1> I have got some problems installing ATi driver 12.9 manually on Ubuntu 12.10. fglrxinfo displays GLX. Any ideas please
[20:20] <bercik1> Building and installation od .deb file goes with no errors
[20:45] <tritonx> having problem with mp3 not playing in Gmusicbrowser anyone else ?
[20:45] <tritonx> its been going on since I upgraded last week
[20:55] <bjsnider> can someone run a command from the cli please:
[20:55] <smallfoot-> which command?
[20:56] <bjsnider> gst-launch-1.0 playbin uri=file:///home/xxx
[20:56] <bjsnider> where xxx is the eventual path of a music file
[20:57] <smallfoot-> gst-launch-1.0: command not found
[20:57] <bjsnider> smallfoot-, you on kde or something?
[20:57] <smallfoot-> no, gnome
[20:57] <smallfoot-> i have gst-launch-0.10 thouhg, but not 1.0
[20:57] <smallfoot-> i have 0.10 not 1.0
[20:57] <tritonx> can that help solve my problem ?
[20:58] <bjsnider> tritonx, will stuff play with sushi?
[20:58] <tritonx> it plays with vlc, never heard of sushi , will try ...
[20:59] <tritonx> of course sushi comes with maki...
[20:59] <bjsnider> install gnome-sushi, select the file in nautilus and hit the spacebar
[21:00] <tritonx> installing...
[21:01] <bjsnider> smallfoot-, gstreamer1.0-tools
[21:01] <tritonx> I run xfce
[21:01] <tritonx> and thunar as file manager...
[21:01] <bjsnider> well, it wil only work with nautilus
[21:02] <tritonx> I jus twant to know why gmusicbrowser stopped working with the upgrade....
[21:02] <tritonx> will it get fixed eventually ?
[21:02] <tritonx> I can use vlc in the meanwhile...
[21:04] <johnjohn101> don't think there is much vlc can't handle
[21:05] <tritonx> if vlc cant handle it, you know the file is wrong
[21:07] <ochosi> tritonx: i hear you have a gmusicbrowser-related problem?
[21:07] <tritonx> yes
[21:07] <tritonx> it doesnt play any mp3
[21:08] <ochosi> tritonx: i assume you've installed the gstreamer-plugins that are needed for mp3 playback?
[21:08] <ochosi> (i think it's -bad)
[21:08] <ochosi> (but i'm never sure...)
[21:08] <tritonx> let me see
[21:09] <tritonx> it was working before upgrade
[21:09] <johnjohn101> will gstreamer 1.x be shipping with new ubuntu?
[21:10] <tritonx> there is no such package
[21:10] <bjsnider> johnjohn101, it is
[21:10] <tritonx> oh tge -bad ....
[21:11] <ochosi> tritonx: to be sure, read the package description to see which of the gst-plugins contains mp3 support
[21:11] <tritonx> bad base good ugly ?
[21:11] <tritonx> I d say the good one ?
[21:11] <ochosi> i can tell you in a few mins if you can't find out by yourself :)
[21:12] <tritonx> good already installed
[21:12] <tritonx> lets see with bad
[21:12] <ochosi> tritonx: this package should also work: gstreamer0.10-fluendo-plugins-mp3-partner
[21:12] <tritonx> I just need to restart the program after ?
[21:13] <ochosi> yeah, if even
[21:14] <tritonx> I dont have the -partner package
[21:14] <ochosi> ok, then probably they renamed it
[21:14] <ochosi> in this case try -ugly and/or -bad
[21:15] <tritonx> lol got it
[21:16] <thiebaude> i have it in "other software"
[21:16] <tritonx> changed gstraemer to mplayer...
[21:16] <tritonx> in the setting
[21:16] <ochosi> tritonx: yeah, that obviously also works
[21:16] <tritonx> whatever works :D
[21:16] <tritonx> forgot you could use different "engine"
[21:17] <bjsnider> jbicha, i discovered what the problem was with totem et al. i didn't have all of the gstreamer1.0 stuff installed, for example, no alsa, pulse, or libav plugins
[21:17] <ochosi> yeah, that's one of the beauties of gmusicbrowser, that it supports multiple backends
[21:17] <bjsnider> it was kind of half there
[21:18] <tritonx> for what I do , whatever works, I want sound :D, its those kind of "bug" that scare some ppl away though
[21:20] <jbicha> bjsnider: ok, I think not recommending pulse is a bug, libav is still in universe so for 13.04 it would need a MIR
[21:20] <bjsnider> should also have the alsa package right?
[21:21] <bjsnider> jbicha, the lack of those plugins broke the gnome thumbnailer too btw
[21:22] <jbicha> if so, then totem in quantal should depend on the alsa plugin too
[21:23] <bjsnider> well, i can pull it out and see if totem still works
[21:24] <tritonx> what is that new thing that wants to install itself when you visit website ?
[21:24] <tritonx> its getting annoying
[21:24] <bjsnider> jbicha, everything seems ok without the alsa package, so i don't see the point of it
[21:27] <jbicha> ok, alsa is included with ubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-gnome-desktop anyway
[23:22] <FernandoMiguel> !release
[23:22] <FernandoMiguel> !quantal
[23:54] <bjsnider> FernandoMiguel, i'm 100% sure you knew all of that info already
[23:54] <FernandoMiguel> bjsnider: not the exact date of the release
[23:54] <FernandoMiguel> was checking