[13:57] <smartboyhw> meeting in 3 minutes where is balloons??!?!?!?!?
[14:01] <balloons> #startmeeting ubuntu qa community
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[14:01] <balloons> Hello everyone
[14:01] <smartboyhw> \o
[14:01] <smartboyhw> Hi balloons
[14:01] <balloons> Shall we take a roll call?
[14:02] <smartboyhw> role call again:p \o
[14:02] <phillw> o/
[14:02]  * smartboyhw has told elfy to come but....
[14:03]  * balloons rattles head
[14:03] <smartboyhw> balloons, lol
[14:03] <balloons> well, shall we dive in?
[14:03] <balloons> [TOPIC] Previous Actions
[14:04] <balloons> [action] balloons to update qa.ubuntu.com theme
[14:04] <meetingology> ACTION: balloons to update qa.ubuntu.com theme
[14:04] <balloons> Anything else?
[14:04] <smartboyhw> balloons, really still haven't solved?:P
[14:05] <smartboyhw> ..
[14:06] <smartboyhw> ?
[14:07] <balloons> it's still on the todo lis
[14:07] <balloons> it'll likely be gone for next time
[14:07] <balloons> beta2 was more pressing :-)
[14:07] <smartboyhw> Grrrrrrrr.....Anyway just small problem:P
[14:07] <smartboyhw> :-)
[14:07] <balloons> I just learned how to solve it.. to be fair most of the tme it was on the list I was awaiting resolution :-)
[14:07] <balloons> anyways
[14:07] <balloons> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Updates
[14:07] <smartboyhw> yay
[14:08] <balloons> This week Unity 6.8 is landing, and there is the charity-a-thon tomorrow
[14:08] <smartboyhw> #link http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2012/10/preparing-for-community-charity-thon.html
[14:08] <smartboyhw> balloons, I'm coming to support you tmr around 11:00 to 15:00 UTC:P
[14:09] <balloons> awesome
[14:09] <balloons> at 24 hrs long, I'm assuming people will be able to find time
[14:09] <balloons> lol
[14:09] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:09] <phillw> I'll be around for as long as I'm at my computer :)
[14:09] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:09] <balloons> nice
[14:09]  * smartboyhw too
[14:09] <balloons> anything else to share?
[14:10] <smartboyhw> balloons, sorry for not donating. Don't have money:P
[14:10] <balloons> the rest of it is straightforward.. it's crunch time for the images
[14:10] <balloons> smartboyhw, no worries.. showing up is also a help
[14:10] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:10] <balloons> try and get some non-std installations done if you can :-)
[14:10] <balloons> that was my secondary goal for the 24 hours
[14:10]  * smartboyhw will test Ubuntu Studio that day then:P
[14:11] <smartboyhw> ..
[14:13] <balloons> [TOPIC] Other Updates
[14:13] <smartboyhw> \o
[14:13] <balloons> I know phillw, wxl and others have all been working on the ppc iso's to try and land one for the final release of quantal
[14:14] <balloons> it's been quite a ride with some hard to solve bugs
[14:14] <balloons> anything else people wish to share?
[14:14] <smartboyhw> Yay
[14:14] <balloons> smartboyhw, go ahead
[14:14] <smartboyhw> \o
[14:14] <smartboyhw> OK
[14:14] <smartboyhw> A bit of report and a bit of question:P
[14:14] <smartboyhw> The Ubuntu Studio testcase is gonna get done at 10th (I set a deadline).
[14:15] <smartboyhw> balloons, stupid question: In http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/group/topic-quantal-quality-community-testing.html
[14:15] <smartboyhw> 76% with red light:P er are you going to fix that?:P
[14:16] <smartboyhw> ..
[14:17] <balloons> I've done my part :-) http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/u/nskaggs.html
[14:17] <smartboyhw> Oh;P
[14:17] <smartboyhw> BTW another thing: Someone remove http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/ from the QA meeting page, it is clearly outdated with no 2012 logs
[14:17] <balloons> lol -- yes, it needs to be finished out
[14:18] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:18] <smartboyhw> OK I'm done
[14:18] <smartboyhw> ..
[14:18] <balloons> we're a bit behind overall: http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/
[14:19]  * smartboyhw is happy Ubuntu Studio got 92% and Lubuntu got 89% so we are not gonna be blamed:P
[14:21] <smartboyhw> ..
[14:22] <smartboyhw> Er balloons nothing to add.....:P
[14:23]  * balloons just noting
[14:23] <balloons> There are 11 days left in the current cycle. That means that in order to complete all the work 83.91 workitems must be completed per day.
[14:23] <balloons> I'm sure this Friday's meeting will be interesting
[14:23] <balloons> we should see sometype of drop
[14:23] <smartboyhw> Yeah......
[14:23] <balloons> Ok, so anyone else?
[14:23] <balloons> anything elsE?
[14:23] <phillw> we are quietly confident that PPC will ship as both desktop & alternate, using release notes.
[14:24] <smartboyhw> *quite:P
[14:24] <balloons> that's good news phillw
[14:24] <smartboyhw> yay
[14:25] <balloons> alright, if that's it, well that's it ;-) Again, I hope to see everyone tomorrow. Should be a fun time -- try and make QA part of your day
[14:25] <smartboyhw> ;-)
[14:25] <balloons> #endmeeting
[14:25] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Oct  3 14:25:36 2012 UTC.
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[14:25] <smartboyhw> Thx balloons phillw
[15:01]  * slangasek waves
[15:01] <jodh> o/
[15:01] <smartboyhw> \o
[15:01] <ogra_> foo
[15:03] <infinity> o/
[15:04] <slangasek> #startmeeting
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[15:04] <slangasek> [TOPIC] lightning round
[15:04] <slangasek> $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh ev bdmurray slangasek ogra infinity cjwatson xnox stokachu)
[15:04] <slangasek> jodh barry ev cjwatson infinity xnox bdmurray slangasek stokachu doko ogra stgraber
[15:04] <jodh> * bugs:
[15:04] <jodh>   * bug 1060249: Can now recreate. Trying to get more detailed stack
[15:04] <jodh>     trace.
[15:04] <jodh>   * bug 1016040: Bit of analysis on this. Still unable to recreate though.
[15:04] <jodh>   * bug 1030278: Lots of work on this, but barry beat me to the post :-)
[15:05] <jodh>     We both added some new tests to python-apt to avoid regressions.
[15:05] <jodh> 𐤋
[15:05] <barry> jodh: just using my western tz to its full advantage :)
[15:05] <barry> handed off most of the remaining work on the gwibber py3 port, though i will still gatekeep merge proposals.  bug 1056820.  bug 1030278.  followed up with the folks doing the twisted py3 port; looks like 13.04 availability is a possibility, but more details have been requested.  uploaded python-mode 6.0.12 to sid.  looked a bit at bug 1031882.  investigated bug 938869, but this isn't a bug in python so it needs to be fixed in the vmware
[15:05] <barry> scripts.  bug 1057886.  started looking at bug 935516 (ongoing).  investigating bug 1060489 (ongoing).  done.
[15:08] <ev> at a webops sprint all week
[15:08] <ev> been charming the errors.ubuntu.com infrastructure
[15:08] <ev> and unbreaking the retracers (damn you dpkg -x)
[15:08] <ev> also working on moving daisy.ubuntu.com to backing to S3
[15:08] <ev> instead of NFS
[15:09] <ev> at the request of IS
[15:09] <ev> (done)
[15:09] <slangasek> cjohnston:
[15:09] <slangasek> er
[15:09] <slangasek> cjwatson:
[15:09] <cjwatson> Fixed various cdimage publishing bugs exposed by beta-2.
[15:09] <cjwatson> Lots of rls-q-tracking bug work, too many to list, including finally adding /etc/default/grub.d/, various i18n/l10n bugs, etc.  Still trying to sort out d-i lowmem issues.
[15:09] <cjwatson> Sponsoring various arm64 config.guess/sub fixes from Wookey.  More to come.
[15:09] <slangasek> cjohnston: have you considered a stage name
[15:09] <cjwatson> Progressive rebuild of remaining packages in armel/main for ARMv5t.
[15:09] <cjwatson> +1 maintenance this month.  Mostly working on build fixes.  eclipse-* was a particularly exciting cluster to unstick.
[15:09] <cjwatson> .
[15:10] <ScottK> unstick is a nice euphemism.
[15:10] <cjwatson> barry: I happened to notice that at least some twisted.trial py3 support was upstream now
[15:10] <infinity> * Done this week:
[15:10] <infinity>   - Beta 2 released
[15:10] <infinity>   - Kernel SRU wrangling
[15:10] <infinity>   - Other SRU and AA tasks
[15:10] <infinity>   - gtkhtml4.0 transition, linux-armadaxp license review, dpkg bugfix, vmware-view and sbsigntool version bumps, etc
[15:10] <infinity>   - working on a new eglibc SRU to replace the one superseded by the last security update
[15:10] <infinity>   - (Re-)enable bootstrap archives for Colin's unbreaking of various bits
[15:10] <infinity> ☭
[15:10] <barry> cjwatson: yep, they mentioned that was a blocker for continued work
[15:10] <ogra_> russian !
[15:10] <slangasek> ev: S3> if this is done, does this mean they no longer care how much space it takes p? :)
[15:10] <slangasek> up
[15:11] <ev> slangasek: hahaha
[15:11] <ev> this is for the core files
[15:11] <ev> which at the moment get deleted
[15:11] <ev> though I suspect it'll make the argument for keeping them around easier
[15:11] <slangasek> :)
[15:12] <xnox> slangasek: there is a setting to tab-complete nicknames based on frequency instead of pure alphabetical order.
[15:12] <cjwatson> Oh, I forgot: currently working on some build log analysis for hardening flag regressions.  Not sure how far I'll have time to get.
[15:12] <slangasek> ev: so if that goes smoothly, we may want to talk about whether to do the same for ddebs.u.c
[15:13] <xnox> slangasek: well since servercloud has nice swift mirrors backed by S3 already, it should be doable for a "normal" apt-getable archive.
[15:13] <slangasek> xnox: your turn :)
[15:13] <xnox> * rls-q-tracking:
[15:13] <xnox>  - sponsor fix for bug 1056350
[15:13] <xnox>  - test and upload mvo's workaround for bug 1015567 and opened bug 1057367 for followup.
[15:13] <xnox>  - mark bug 1046627 as invalid, because biggest_free was used instead
[15:13] <xnox>    of actually resizing.
[15:13] <xnox>  - disable failing svn tests to fix FTBFS bug 1056728 (needs new
[15:13] <xnox>    upstream release packaged, to late for quantal). But doko is
[15:13] <xnox>    working on a better/proper fix git-svn and re-enable test-suites.
[15:13] <xnox>  - Ubiquity: Change calculate_reuse_option logic to allow upgrading development
[15:13] <xnox>    releases to final/newer. bug 1050562
[15:13] <xnox>  - partman-crypto: Move unsafe_swap checks from commit.d to check.d bug 1056707
[15:13] <xnox>  - Fix reuse options (were not working) in partman-auto bug 1050562
[15:13] <xnox> * ubiquity adv-lvm:
[15:13] <xnox>  - almost done, going through all the different paths of vg/lv
[15:13] <xnox>    manipulation. merge proposal will come soon.
[15:13] <xnox> * blocked on combination of orca / at-spi / gtk / ubiquity-dm being
[15:13] <xnox>   broken. See bug 1056300
[15:14] <xnox> * Off to see my parents Fri-Mon, expecting limited internet
[15:14] <xnox>   connectivity. (GMT+2)
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[15:14] <bdmurray> bug triage of update-manager / ubuntu-release-upgrader bugs
[15:14] <bdmurray> tested bugs 1056895, 1059172, 1058102
[15:14] <bdmurray> ubuntu-release-upgrader upload fixing apport and apt-clone attachments
[15:14] <bdmurray> ubuntu-release-upgrader uploads fixing bugs 1039484, 1045579, 1059403, 1060353
[15:14] <bdmurray> apport modification to include python env variables
[15:15] <bdmurray> discovered an issue with DistUpgradeApport.py and assertion errors due to / in key names for attachments
[15:15] <bdmurray> reported bug 1060353 regarding DistUpgradeApport.py and wrote a testcase for it
[15:15] <bdmurray> tested plymouth bug 1056468
[15:15] <bdmurray> ✔ done ✔
[15:18] <slangasek>  * pam-xdg-support: landed, has been seeded, ubuntu-meta upload needed
[15:18] <slangasek>  * ironed out final details on SB signing
[15:18] <slangasek>  * fielded some new bugs after the asynchronous mountall upload
[15:18] <slangasek>   * bug #1059471
[15:18] <slangasek>   * bug #1060296
[15:18] <slangasek>  * SB shim: still in progress, should be uploaded today
[15:18] <slangasek> (then it gets submitted to MS for signing)
[15:19] <slangasek> (done)
[15:19] <slangasek> stokachu: your turn
[15:19] <stokachu> bug 977959 - needs sponsor for precise
[15:19] <stokachu> bug 1036834 - needs sponsor
[15:19] <stokachu> bug 1013211 - needs FFe or needs to be pushed back to updates
[15:19] <stokachu> bug 683640 - needs sponsor for precise
[15:19] <stokachu> bug 1053306 - needs sponsor for precise
[15:19] <stokachu> bug 932860 - building and testing as of now
[15:19] <cjwatson> slangasek: Do you know how long the signing is expected to take?
[15:19] <slangasek> someone said last week they were going to look at those multiarch sponsorship bugs, was it doko?
[15:20] <stokachu> done
[15:20] <slangasek> (who is not here due to German holiday)
[15:20] <xnox> stokachu: are all of those fix released in quantal?
[15:20] <ogra_> done:
[15:20] <ogra_>  * fixed cdrom-detect bug (bug 1028905)
[15:20] <ogra_>  * input issues for d-i were fixed (thanks paolo for adding the udeb to omap3)
[15:20] <ogra_>  * worked on an nvidia-tegra driver update, sadly the upstream release is broken (no versions in SONAMES), waiting on a fix
[15:20] <ogra_>    from nvidia and pondering to upload a driver without GLES support for better SRUability
[15:20] <ogra_>  * got dragged into a new internal project, waiting for HW
[15:20] <ogra_>  * thanks stgraber for taking over bug 984276
[15:20] <ogra_>  * fixed upgrade issue with software-properties-gtk
[15:20] <ogra_> todo:
[15:20] <ogra_>  * get some ideas for arm specific blueprints
[15:20] <ogra_>  * fix flash-kernel ability to manually force a kernel version for manual downgrades (bug 1056206)
[15:20] <ogra_>  * finish wikipages for the release
[15:20] <ogra_> ..
[15:21] <stokachu> xnox: 977959,683640,1053306 or in qu antal
[15:21] <stokachu> are*
[15:21] <stgraber>  - ISO tracker
[15:21] <xnox> stokachu: ok.
[15:21] <stgraber>    - Fixed a bug in the time range filter, got IS to deploy in production.
[15:21] <stgraber>  - Container
[15:21] <stgraber>    - Upstream work, reviewing patches, maintaining staging branch. Starting cherry-pick of fixes for 0.8 upstream release.
[15:21] <stgraber>    - Blogged about the new API: http://www.stgraber.org/2012/09/28/introducing-the-python-lxc-api/
[15:21] <stgraber>    - Helped utlemming setup a script similar to post-qa but for the cloud images
[15:21] <stgraber>  - Release
[15:21] <stgraber>    - Some beta 2 work
[15:21] <stgraber>    - Quite a bunch of queue reviews
[15:21] <stgraber>    - Some FFe/UIFe reviews
[15:21] <stgraber>  - Networking
[15:21] <stgraber>    - Some more thoughts on getting NM to talk to unbound, looked at the API, may try to write a plugin later.
[15:21] <stgraber>    - Fixed madwimax's broken dhclient handling in quantal and precise (was messing with resolvconf)
[15:21] <stgraber>  - Installer
[15:22] <stgraber>    - UIFe for the slideshow, reviewed the changes, re-generate the templates, imported the new translations and uploaded
[15:22] <stgraber>    - Fixed bug 898787
[15:22] <stgraber>    - Went through the high priority casper bugs and fixed a bunch of them: bug 946406, bug 984276, bug 423616, bug 476208 and bug 747888
[15:22] <stgraber>    - Started preparing the next set of casper fixes, planning another upload later today.
[15:22] <stgraber>    - Briefly discussed foundations-q-autocreate-preseed with Colin, will try to get some basic implementation during my trip tomorrow
[15:22] <stgraber>  
[15:22] <stgraber>  - Travel/Schedule
[15:22] <stgraber>    - I'll be at the LTSP hackfest tomorrow and Friday, available on IRC when not traveling.
[15:22] <stgraber>    - Monday is a bank holiday.
[15:22] <stgraber>    - I'll be off Thursday and Friday next week, traveling to Europe, will then work on European timezone until UDS.
[15:22] <stgraber> (DONE)
[15:22] <ogra_> stgraber, hug everyone from me
[15:22] <stgraber> ogra_: will do
[15:22] <ogra_> and send greetings to speedbump
[15:22] <ogra_> :)
[15:23] <slangasek> ogra_: when is your hw for the "internal project" due to arrive?
[15:23] <cjwatson> stgraber: Are you fixing bug 1058179 in addition to having diagnosed it, or should I follow up on that?
[15:23] <ogra_> slangasek, it said 3-5 workdays
[15:23] <slangasek> phooey, that's a long time
[15:23] <xnox> stokachu: make sure ubuntu-sponsors are subscribed, those three 977959,683640,1053306 don't and hence are not in the http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/ and hence fell out of my radar of "easy sponsorship tasks" I try to do in evenings =)
[15:23] <ogra_> slangasek, though its not clear yet that i ordered the right thing :P
[15:23] <ogra_> seemingly there is some confusion ... i might end up with both :)
[15:23] <slangasek> you didn't request the SCHNELL SCHNELL shipping option?
[15:24] <ogra_> lol
[15:24] <ev> slangasek: random stats: we're currently using 1.2 TB with 2.2 TB free. We're effectively doubling that (going from three nodes in Cassandra to six).
[15:24] <stgraber> cjwatson: I'll see how fixable it's, but I'm expecting a similar mess as 12.04.1 where the image gets really big really quickly
[15:24] <ogra_> no offer for that
[15:24] <stokachu> xnox: ? ive been assigning ubuntu-sru
[15:24] <slangasek> ev: that's apropos the crash pruning?
[15:24] <stokachu> they are notified of all changes is that not correct?
[15:24] <stgraber> cjwatson: I assigned it to me now so I don't forget
[15:24] <infinity> stokachu: ubuntu-sru doesn't sponsor things, just review/accept uploads.
[15:25] <infinity> stokachu: (Well, we *can* sponsor things, but that's not the point of the group)
[15:25] <stokachu> ah
[15:25] <ev> slangasek: that's the amount of space in use on each node
[15:25] <ev> (we have replication set to 3)
[15:25] <stokachu> lol so what group should I be adding?
[15:25] <stokachu> just ubuntu-sponsors?
[15:25] <ev> we don't save the core files right now
[15:25] <ev> once they're retraced, they're deleted
[15:25] <cjwatson> stgraber: I was hoping that size would be less of an issue now
[15:25] <slangasek> ev: ok - so how fast are we burning through the space at this point? :) Does it grow linearly?
[15:25] <cjwatson> stgraber: But we should certainly establish that the things QA is testing for agree with what the owners of this image think they want to offer :-)
[15:26] <cjwatson> stokachu: Just ubuntu-sponsors, yes
[15:26] <stokachu> ahhh no wonder
[15:26] <infinity> stokachu: ubuntu-sponsors, if you need a sponsor, ubuntu-sru as well, if it's an SRU bug, though the latter often happens automagically when we run tools to accept things from the queue anyway.
[15:26] <slangasek> [TOPIC] Bugs
[15:26] <slangasek> [LINK] http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[15:26] <cjwatson> stokachu: Right, it doesn't hurt to subscribe ubuntu-sru as well but it basically doesn't help
[15:26] <xnox> stokachu: you need both for SRU: debdiff -> unapproved queue -> accepted in -proposed. Sponsors for the first hop, SRU team for the second hop.
[15:26] <stokachu> ah ok awesome, makes sense now
[15:26] <ev> slangasek: doubling every six months
[15:26] <stgraber> cjwatson: well, IIRC if we actually include everything, we're talking about almost 100MB (all chinese langpacks + dictionaries + ibus tables + the same for english)
[15:27] <stokachu> excellent, makes sense now thanks
[15:27] <slangasek> ev: ew?
[15:27] <stokachu> ill get them assigned to the sponsors queue
[15:27] <bdmurray> subscribed not assigned
[15:27] <stgraber> cjwatson: anyway, I'll take a look after the meeting, will fix the package and see how big the difference will be
[15:27] <slangasek> I thought I was being conservative with the suggestion of linear growth :P
[15:28] <xnox> stokachu: can't we afford that in chinese-quantal image at the expense of non-chinese langpacks?
[15:28] <cjwatson> You mean stgraber not stokachu
[15:28] <xnox> yes.
[15:28] <slangasek> so our targeted bug count is certainly looking better this week
[15:28] <cjwatson> And I don't think langpacks come close to offsetting additional language *support*
[15:28] <slangasek> but as cjwatson pointed out, it's still high
[15:28] <xnox> stgraber: can't we afford that in chinese-quantal image at the expense of non-chinese langpacks?
[15:29] <slangasek> looks like we're down from ~60 to 41
[15:29] <cjwatson> 20 priority High
[15:29] <cjwatson> Anyone know what's happening with these apt gpg bugs?
[15:29] <stgraber> xnox: there's no easy way to remove langpacks as the image is built with ubuntu-defaults-builder, not our usual tools and ultimately the problem is that we can't remove the english langpack as various bits depend on en_US.UTF-8 being around (instead of just using C.UTF-8)
[15:29] <slangasek> cjwatson: I've seen activity on them from mvo
[15:30] <cjwatson> Can we assign him to them?
[15:30]  * xnox wants to target some bugs to r-series, and if fixed in r, sru into quantal.
[15:30] <xnox> (the acient onces)
[15:30] <stokachu> xnox: how often does this report get generated
[15:30] <ev> slangasek: :) iz webops problem
[15:30] <infinity> slangasek: The eglibc one's being done today.
[15:30] <xnox> cjwatson: about apt-gpg bugs, it wasn't clear to me if it's all fix-released or partitially solved. since there were security uploads done.
[15:31] <bdmurray> stokachu: the rls-q-tracking one is hourly
[15:31] <slangasek> cjwatson: bug #1016643 has had SRUs for software-properties in friends; maybe the apt task is no longer relevant?
[15:31] <cjwatson> xnox: If you're planning on SRUing things into quantal post-release, please set the milestone to quantal-updates so that that's immediately clear from the report
[15:31] <xnox> stokachu: Last updated at: Wed, 03 Oct 2012 15:09:36 -0000. My guess is every hour?
[15:31] <cjwatson> slangasek: Indeed, I don't know
[15:31] <stokachu> ok cool thanks
[15:31] <cjwatson> And bug 1013681 has been stagnant for a while
[15:31] <slangasek> bdmurray: hmm, why did we agree to be responsible for fontconfig? :)
[15:31] <xnox> slangasek: I heard Laney likes fontconfig a lot =)
[15:32] <slangasek> cjwatson: so 1013681 doesn't seem tied to the release, I'm going to -notfixing it
[15:32] <bdmurray> slangasek: having it appear in the spreadsheet doesn't mean agree ;-)
[15:32] <infinity> slangasek: but #1008777 may or may not be a bug/misfeature, but it almost certainly doesn't need to be targetted and tracked as special.
[15:32] <cjwatson> slangasek: sounds good to me
[15:33] <cjwatson> I would love the report to notice that bug 1053770 is assigned to James Page and maybe that ought to override its own idea of which team it belongs to
[15:33] <slangasek> bdmurray: can you bump that over to desktop in the spreadsheet?
[15:33] <bdmurray> slangasek: sure
[15:34] <bdmurray> cjwatson: noted regarding the report
[15:34] <cjwatson> Of course, you win some you lose some, since we'd gain at least one bug from elsewhere that way
[15:34] <slangasek> infinity: 1008777> undecided+incomplete, that's not really one we're worrying about as-is (it was clearly targeted by the community, not through the rls-q-incoming queue)
[15:35] <bdmurray> slangasek: it was targetted by vanhoof
[15:35] <cjwatson> Yeah, I'm basically ignoring stuff from Medium on down for the purposes of worrying about the count
[15:36] <slangasek> bug #1026778 filled me with maintainer-script-induced rage; I think we should untarget it
[15:36] <cjwatson> So as far as I'm concerned the current report says we have 20 RC bugs
[15:36] <slangasek> bdmurray: right, but I don't think he was meaning to ask us to fix it
[15:36] <cjwatson> slangasek: Agreed, at least pending the information requested some weeks ago
[15:37] <bdmurray> slangasek: oh, so if he was doing it right he would have tagged it?
[15:37] <slangasek> bdmurray: yeah
[15:37] <slangasek> I think he was targeting it for his /own/ team to work on :)
[15:37] <xnox> jodh: bug 740390 is interesting, but to be solved not in upstart package?! But still interesting bug.
[15:38] <cjwatson> xnox: Yes, until stateful-reexec lands, the handful of libraries that upstart itself uses need to do this
[15:38] <slangasek> untargeting 1017001; still a problem, but only a trickle of bug reports and there's no reason to expect problems here for precise->quantal
[15:38] <xnox> cjwatson: ok. so I got it right that stateful reexec solves this generically.
[15:38] <cjwatson> jodh: libnih* has the same problem, FWIW
[15:39] <slangasek> cjwatson: last comment on 1013681 has you mentioning sudo access on pepo, which we have back now... should we take the server side of that on, or leave it to webops?
[15:39] <jodh> cjwatson: ta - I'll take a look.
[15:40] <xnox> cjwatson: 20 - 2 incomplete = 18 ;-)
[15:40] <cjwatson> slangasek: We should probably take it, but I have a vague memory that it required master key access
[15:40] <cjwatson> Which puts it past the 12.10 timeframe anyway
[15:40] <slangasek> ok
[15:41]  * jodh wonders if we need a dh_reexecinit ?
[15:41] <slangasek> no
[15:41] <cjwatson> There are only a handful of libraries here
[15:41] <cjwatson> No need to invent new infrastructure for them
[15:41] <slangasek> we need stateful re-exec, and a quick fix for the 4 library packages affected
[15:42] <cjwatson> 3, since libc has handled this for years
[15:42] <slangasek> yep
[15:43] <cjwatson> So one-liner in three postinsts, move on
[15:43]  * slangasek nods
[15:44] <stgraber> cjwatson: turns out I forgot to push the changes we SRUed at the last minute for 12.04.1 to quantal, so I'm just going to bring the two ubuntu-defaults-zh-cn back in sync which should fix the bug in the process
[15:44] <cjwatson> stgraber: Ah, OK, great
[15:44]  * xnox \0/
[15:45] <slangasek> so, having turfed 1026778 I guess I'll take another one
[15:45] <cjwatson> In fact I see that Marc has done libdbus-1-3 in -proposed
[15:45] <cjwatson> Which I'll copy to quantal nowish
[15:45] <cjwatson> So it's just libnih to fix
[15:45] <slangasek> maybe bug #1051110 unless someone else wants to look at that one
[15:45] <bdmurray> slangasek: I'm interested in that one
[15:46] <slangasek> bdmurray: interested in taking it, or in having me resolve it? :)
[15:46] <bdmurray> slangasek: having a go at it ;-)
[15:47] <slangasek> bdmurray: ok, be my guest!
[15:47] <barry> one suggestion, though probably everyone already does this.  if you're looking at a bug, assign it to yourself so we don't step on each others toes.  you can always unassign it if you punt
[15:47] <xnox> slangasek: bdmurray: well I comment on it, with potential duplicates =) it's not new ;-)
[15:47] <slangasek> xnox: it's new behavior here for me
[15:48] <slangasek> xnox: the bug I'm reporting is *not* about the terminal not auto-expanding; it's about the wrong debconf frontend being used here
[15:48] <bdmurray> bug 1052605 will fall off the next time the report is created
[15:49] <cjwatson> Yeah, that was due to collisions in the queue I believe.  Thanks for cleaning that up.
[15:50] <bdmurray> Oh and bug 1058102 will get added
[15:50] <xnox> slangasek: I see the distinction now. But surely you'd never need terminal to auto-expand if all questions correctly used the GUI debconf frontend.
[15:51] <infinity> xnox: You're assuming all questions are debconf. :P
[15:51] <slangasek> xnox: the auto-expanding is still needed in case of bugs
[15:51] <cjwatson> Indeed.  Consider conffile prompts.
[15:52] <slangasek> conffile prompts are also proxied by update-manager to the gui :)
[15:52]  * cjwatson stands corrected
[15:52] <slangasek> anyway, I think we've devoured that bug list adequately for today
[15:52] <slangasek> [TOPIC] AOB
[15:52] <slangasek> Anything else?
[15:53] <barry> monday is a usa holiday but i'll probably swap it and work
[15:53] <infinity> Canadia too, and I think I'll take it. :P
[15:53] <ogra_> pfft
[15:53] <bdmurray> I'm swapping it also
[15:53] <ogra_> holidays
[15:53]  * xnox booked a holiday
[15:54] <xnox> I can see how monday will not go wrong.
[15:55] <slangasek> I'll be off Monday
[15:55] <slangasek> so enjoy :)
[15:55] <slangasek> #endmeeting
[15:55] <meetingology> Meeting ended Wed Oct  3 15:55:23 2012 UTC.
[15:55] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-10-03-15.04.moin.txt
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[15:55] <slangasek> thanks everyone!
[15:55] <barry> thanks!
[15:55] <ogra_> thanks !
[15:55] <jodh> ta
[15:55] <infinity> \o
[15:55] <xnox> 0/
[15:55] <stgraber> thanks!