[00:00] <phillw> I did not ask for a review as per usual editing rules, as it was just a typo I edited the 'live' test suite.
[00:01] <balloons> ofc not :-)
[00:01] <balloons> typos are typos
[00:01] <balloons> there's nothing to review
[00:01] <balloons> live edit typo fixes are good things ;-)
[00:02] <phillw> balloons: thanks, I really did not think it worth the while of a bug being raised, allocated, etc. etc.
[00:03] <phillw> step 11 referred to step 10 instead of step 14... a simple change from 10 to 14
[00:04] <balloons> yes anytime you see a typo, or another maintenance need, fix it
[00:04] <balloons> it's the point of the team :-)
[00:04] <balloons> otherwise, yes Noskcaj could have filed a bug and then you responded and did the same thing
[00:04] <balloons> but etheir way it's an easy thing to fix
[00:06] <phillw> balloons: but on the minus side, when we do that, other people who "just count beans", do not realise that we can react and fix far faster than the filing of bugs :/
[00:07] <balloons> well, it's not often going to happen
[00:07] <balloons> if your concerned about bean counters, open a bug :-)
[00:07] <balloons> I'll be working
[00:07] <phillw> e.g., there are times I will just email Julien with a silly bug. It gets squished and saves a lot of time!
[00:08] <phillw> But... we are supposed to register a bug report every time!
[00:08] <phillw> how do I tell people it is one rule for us, and a different rule for them?
[00:09] <balloons> phillw, I'm pretty sure devs don't file bugs for everything they fix
[00:09] <balloons> if it's a big deal or they need to track, they'll open and close there own bug
[00:09] <balloons> we can adopt the same practice
[00:10] <phillw> balloons: Devs, like Doctors actually bury their mistakes. I do believe that once a year they do hold a minute's silence for all the bugs they unmercifully killed :D
[00:10] <balloons> phillw, haha
[00:11] <balloons> I have been a dev on a project before, and that was my own workflow
[00:12]  * balloons is booting his lubuntu vm
[00:13] <phillw> balloons: next on our agenda is how to get PPC passed. You have been cc'd the emails. These issues go back a long time, a way round has always been found. We are now tasked with finding it....
[00:14] <balloons> why is quake installed by default btw?
[00:14] <balloons> I mean it's kinda handy, but ..
[00:14] <phillw> what is quake?
[00:14] <phillw> I've not had a desktop luubntu installed since A1.
[00:15] <balloons> ohh?
[00:15] <balloons> i think i'm running precise
[00:15] <balloons> can't remmebr
[00:15] <balloons> nope, quantal
[00:15] <phillw> lol
[00:16] <phillw> that's what happens with testing :D
[00:18] <balloons> makes your head spin trying to remember?
[00:21] <phillw> I recall having a chat with Dave Stan (drs305) about grub 1.97 when it was launched.... He told me that he was amazed that I could have so many entries on my grub file
[00:21] <balloons> I love testing sometimes
[00:21] <balloons> I always find bugs I DON'T want to find
[00:22] <phillw> back in those days, I didn't know about VM's so would just slice up my extended partition for each test area. I think I had 7 test areas, all on real hardware!
[00:22] <balloons> now I have to upgrade my packages, reboot, and retest everything to confirm the bug
[00:24] <phillw> VM's are useful, but you cannot beat having your hard drive set with extended and just grabbing a bit of it.
[00:27] <phillw> balloons: oh, and btw, following the parting of the ways of me and SII, I now lurk, with others, at ##phillw
[00:35] <balloons> xnox, are you around perchance? I can't imagine so
[00:37] <knome> balloons, hey! what's the status with QA testcase conversion? :)
[00:37] <balloons> knome, you can check the page for up to date status :-)
[00:37] <knome> the what page ;]
[00:37] <balloons> lol
[00:37]  * balloons isn't seeing atm
[00:38] <balloons> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/QuantalTestcaseUpdates
[00:38] <knome> looks rather good
[00:39] <balloons> yes, I'm sitting on a couple items while I mess about with something else
[00:39] <balloons> but overall we met our beta2 targets
[00:39] <knome> \o/ for the $family stuff
[00:40] <knome> heh, there's a problemin the entire disk testcase
[00:40] <knome> there's something that's still <li>
[00:40] <balloons> sure -- what is?
[00:40] <balloons> ohh?
[00:40] <knome> item 3.
[00:40] <balloons> there are some uls in there sitll
[00:40] <balloons> is that what you mean?
[00:40] <balloons> those are intended if so
[00:40] <knome> aha?
[00:41] <knome> worksforme if worksforyou
[00:41] <balloons> heh
[00:41] <balloons> I'm open to suggestions
[00:41] <balloons> but the intent is to show a bulleted list of stuff
[00:41] <knome> mmh
[00:41] <balloons> maybe it would be better as something else
[00:41] <balloons> or presented differently
[00:42] <balloons> <-- not a UI guy
[00:42] <balloons> but I think you know that now
[00:42] <knome> just dl with some bullets ?
[00:42] <balloons> but yes, I wrote some perl to convert the cases
[00:42] <balloons> and they should all be done
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[00:43] <knome> &#10004; is ✔
[00:44] <balloons> ohh neat
[00:45] <balloons> you've got the power.. change it :-)
[00:45] <knome> i'll do that tomorrow
[00:45] <knome> it's also 4am ;)
[00:45] <balloons> wow
[00:45] <balloons> heh
[00:45] <balloons> yea, I'd say
[00:45] <balloons> hit the hay
[00:45] <knome> nah
[00:45] <knome> i'll probably fill some crosswords
[00:45] <knome> *then* hit the sack
[00:46] <knome> launched client's website today
[00:46] <knome> so i need some "time off" ;)
[00:46] <balloons> ah
[00:46] <balloons> hence your brain is still stoked from the launch
[00:46] <balloons> i know those night
[00:46] <knome> yep
[00:46] <balloons> my brain is full steam ahead
[00:46] <balloons> my body is crashed
[00:47] <knome> and i did some work for my foss projects future website ;)
[00:47] <knome> http://lallinaho.fi/test_wordpress/project/greybird/ for a peek
[00:49] <phillw> knome: I know about planning for the future :) take a peak at http://phillw.net/isos/ which will be holding all the archives of milestone releases for 13.04 :)
[00:49] <knome> my eyes! ;)
[00:50] <knome> that's a bit too intense red for me
[00:50] <knome> i mean, on the menu
[00:51] <phillw> knome: you'll be pleased to know that your iso sections can be fine tuned as you wish :)
[00:51] <knome> hehe
[00:51] <knome> good, that err... looks good
[00:51] <knome> apart from the er... looks
[00:51] <knome> ;)
[00:54] <phillw> knome: button highlighting done without Java :P The index.php looks to its local css and img files. TBH, I really don't care what you put on as headers / main / footers. I just have set it so that the teams can :)
[00:54] <knome> heh
[00:55] <phillw> I know that the lubuntu ones will go to a subtle shade of blue :)
[01:00] <phillw> balloons: as the -qa tag has been reclaimed by the LoCo team, have you given thought to how to present https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/ ?
[01:01] <balloons> do you think it needs changed?
[01:12] <phillw> balloons: well, we are either Testing and use that, or we have -qa tags lying about? you're the boss :)
[01:13] <phillw> sorry for delay, just enjoyed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xirezDjumZE&feature=share
[01:18] <balloons> heh
[01:18] <balloons> we're -qa
[01:18] <balloons> I guess I don't get the full ramifications
[01:19] <balloons> creepy voice
[01:19] <balloons> hehe
[01:24] <phillw> balloons: well, ubuntu-qa is supposed to be for the LoCo team? I'm also confused....
[01:27] <phillw> "Welcome to Ubuntu Testing" does explain things? Do we really need "Welcome to Ubuntu QA and Testing"? ... Who is Ubuntu QA?
[01:28] <balloons> ok
[01:28] <balloons> I think I get that confusion
[01:43]  * phillw bed! catch you all after sleep :)
[07:51] <wxl_> so i'm trying to write an xorg.conf. i made some big time progress. i have a decent background now. but dialogs are empty. anyone have clues to how to fix?
[11:20]  * smartboyhw wonders should somebody change the topic....Beta 2 is far away:P
[14:10] <silverarrow> phillw: I cannot find anything on the org bug
[14:11] <phillw> silverarrow: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/1058641
[14:11] <silverarrow> yes, that one
[14:12] <silverarrow> it seems to be fine on my G4
[14:13] <phillw> then please add a note saying so. This allows us to better know which machines are affected. (Add in the video card your machine uses).
[14:29] <smartboyhw> A suggestion: Since everybody know about Ubuntu GNOME Remix but it isn't an official deriative (for now) so one suggestion: Can the Canonical QA guys make an QA Tracker for these unofficial deriatives?
[14:32] <smartboyhw> balloons, stgraber, ?
[14:34] <smartboyhw> .........maybe also skaet or..
[14:36] <skaet> smartboyhw,  question probably best asked in #ubuntu-iso-tracker channel.
[14:37] <smartboyhw> OK
[14:37] <skaet> :)
[14:41] <silverarrow> phillw: reading the last additions on the bugreport I am affected by the  bug
[14:41] <silverarrow> video=radeonfb:1024x768-32@60 seems to bypass the radeon driver or graphics card some how
[14:42] <phillw> that's okay. it does seem that the fix is working :)
[14:52] <smartboyhw> skaet, found sth interesting...#ubuntu-iso-tracker isn't even registered.....
[14:56] <stgraber> smartboyhw: well, there's no good reason to register it, it's not listed anywhere and is just a temporary channel
[14:56] <smartboyhw> stgraber, gee.......
[15:24] <silverarrow> what does video=radeonfb:1024x768-32@60 do, activate or disable frambuffer?
[19:00] <silverarrow> hi
[19:01] <silverarrow> xfburn seem to work in ppc,
[19:01] <silverarrow> it did not in the last version
[19:03] <silverarrow> does anyone use sylpheed?
[19:04] <silverarrow> sure someone does since it is on lubuntu
[20:42] <balloons> so, anyone in here ever re-master a ubuntu image?
[20:47] <phillw> balloons: the only person I know who has done one is jonathan on Lubuntu who did a community 64bit release back in the days before we were adopted :)
[20:47] <balloons> phillw, my eyes have been opened
[20:47] <balloons> I have a "better" idea
[20:47]  * balloons scurries back to his cave
[20:47] <balloons> I'm excitied about tomorrow
[20:48] <phillw> the creators of zenix, UCE and proxlinux will also be familiar
[20:55] <balloons> bah.. idea failed
[21:09] <phillw> balloons: bodhi shows as logged on at #ubuntu-beginners-team He's a real cool guy & is the one I would approach for such a topic :)
[21:10] <balloons> noted
[21:10] <balloons> ty
[21:10] <phillw> correction ... #ubuntu-beginners
[21:10] <phillw> he's not joined the team channel yet.
[21:13] <phillw> balloons: our very own (well, release) stlsaint is the guy who looks after UCE (It's one of the ISO's I host).
[21:15] <phillw> Kris looks after proxlinux, but he's a bit busy with RL atm.