[05:04] morning [05:05] \o [05:14] * christel does a little dance with MartijnVdS [05:17] \\o o// \o/ [05:21] * MartijnVdS looks at the rain radar.. I need to be quick if I want to get to work with dry clothes... :| [05:35] hehe [06:23] morning al [07:11] morning all [07:11] morning AlanBell [07:19] mmm tea [07:29] one of my clients emailed me and said "Hey Christel, you might appreciate this really useful site for chest films" [07:29] so my early morning brain went "oooh tits *click*" [07:29] http://i.imgur.com/rEDij.jpg this was the first chest i saw... [07:30] i then realised they werent trying to send me Happy Morning Tits but actually work-related stuff :( [07:33] *blink* [07:33] (oh it is totally SFW) [07:35] * AlanBell makes christel some coffee [07:35] early morning brains need coffee [07:36] tired too :( [07:41] mmmcoffee [07:41] yes [07:41] i have been working since 4am [07:50] I just managed to burn the bottom of a fried egg before the top was cooked [07:54] am confused.. eyeD3 displays different values for ID3 tags than lltag does.... [07:54] i just used lltag to re-tag an mp3 but eyeD3 still shows the old tags [07:59] Morning all === iahmad is now known as iahmad|LUNCH [08:25] Good morning all! :) === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:41] * SuperMatt shakes a fist at cacti [08:48] * Laney was impressed yesterday when his new machine booted straight into the old Ubuntu installation, without problem [08:48] got the new box all built then Laney ? [08:49] yep [08:49] no blood [08:49] you should benchmark it [08:49] the only dubious thing is that the SSD doesn't fit into my case [08:49] so it's just sitting in a drive bay :( [08:49] time perl -e 'for($i=0;$i<1e8;$i++) { }' [08:49] run that :) [08:49] I got a 7.7 on the Windows Experience Index™©® [08:49] http://www.hants.lug.org.uk/wiki/HugoRandomBenchmark add to the benchmark list :) [08:50] need a multicore version of that [08:51] run it in multiple terminals at once! [08:51] i7 does turbo though [08:51] so it still should be fast [08:51] one day we'll have to make it 1e9 :) [08:51] 2.958 total [08:51] you win! [08:52] so how would you get it to fork 10 of them at once and time it until the last one finishes? [08:53] or 24 of them for example :) [08:54] * Laney is running y-crunchers [08:54] y-cruncher [08:54] sounds like a cereal [08:54] I think it's time for me to save for an upgrade, what ball park figure did you spend laney? [08:54] just over 1k [08:55] Hmm, bigger than I can afford, I do remember you probably specced it a tad higher than i would have though [08:55] :) [08:55] I am puzzled by it running faster in a kvm guest than on the host [08:55] yeah, well, I tend to keep my machines for a long time [08:55] I'll probably have this for 5 years or so [08:55] Mine are 5-6 years old [08:55] I used to upgrade them every year if not more often [08:55] Then I had 2 children :D [08:56] yeah, they're much higher spec than your computer [08:57] heh [08:57] AlanBell, significantly faster? in a kvm guest pure computation should be equal so any deviation can usually be put down to outside sources [08:57] real 0m6.390s in the guest vs real 0m7.424s in the host [08:58] and it is consistent and reproduceable on several machines [09:00] maybe a bit of variability in that actually, but certainly there is no performance penalty for being in a guest for single core operations [09:02] started playing portal 2 last night [09:02] * Laney is living that xkcd [09:05] heh, went to install google drive on my ipad, the screenshot uses the ubuntu font [09:09] Good morning peeps :) [09:09] Anybody set-up an IPSec server in linux? [09:26] aloha [09:27] Stupid question ; anyone know how to make a clone of a git branch such that all the references are identical - ie, the new clone has the same remotes, not the repo you just cloned as remotes [09:28] ASide from cp -r [09:45] awilkins: I think whenever I've done that, I've just edited the .git/config file afterwards. There is probably an easier way - maybe #git would help if no one else here can? [09:46] Maybe... Google isn't helping much, too many articles with "git, clone, remote" in them [09:59] awilkins: git clone --mirror [10:00] you may also want --bare [10:01] xnox, --mirror implies --bare [10:02] But you have provoked me to look at --mirror again [10:02] Shame there's no "not bare" option [10:02] The answer seems to be... [10:02] awilkins: ah, ok. is that what you wanted? alternative is to write .git/config where fetch=refs/heads/*:refs/heads/* (which is what mirror does) [10:02] mkdir new-clone [10:02] git clone --mirror old-clone new-clone/.git [10:03] but you'll want to fetch tags as well with fetch=refs/tags/*:refs/tags/* [10:03] cd new-clone [10:03] git config --local --bool core.bare false [10:03] git checkout [10:04] Not a one-liner but you end up with what I wanted [10:04] awilkins: a branch deleted on the remote host, will not be deleted locally. [10:04] (NB!) [10:04] =) [10:07] Doesn't clone the SVN metadata [10:07] awilkins: no. it clones object store only & branch ref. [10:07] awilkins: no. it clones object store only & branch refs [10:08] awilkins: you will need to either have svn metadata in the commit messages or tarball the whole repo and make it available for download. [10:08] in the former case you will need to "re-initialize" in the later you will be good to go. [10:08] Morning all [10:20] this may sound silly but how do i configure a channel to connect in xchat? it's bizarre [10:20] it doesn't seem to have an accounts section [10:22] Xchat -> Network list [10:22] Choose a network -> edit [10:22] Click edit on the network and there is a favourite channels [10:22] there's a "Favorite channels" where you list then [10:23] #foo,#bar,#baz [10:24] Also, you can right-click on a channel name that you are already connected to and select 'Add to Favorites' [10:24] thanks popey i missed the favourite channels bit [10:24] cool tip bigcalm ta [10:24] You're welcome [10:24] * bigcalm returns to shouting at IPSec [10:28] another one...how does one move the notifications in gnome? [10:28] to top of screen [10:28] (might not get an answer in here) [10:28] gnome shell? [10:28] I don't think you can [10:28] yeah [10:28] oh :( [10:29] http://askubuntu.com/questions/80942/pin-notifications-to-toppanel-in-gnome-shell [10:29] my bad, I was wrong, there is an extension apparently [10:29] oh wait...ignore that, I didn't read it properly [10:30] sweet [10:30] is that what you were wanting, or do you mean the popup notifications? or the other notification icons like dropbox etc? [10:30] i mean when someone mentions me in irc [10:30] oh ok yeah let me investigate more :-P [10:32] how about this? https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/243/shell-osd/ [10:32] I'd love to go back to Gnome-shell sometime...but the bug that stops me using it is still there I think [10:32] not being able to have multiple x-screens [10:33] !info freeswan [10:33] Package freeswan does not exist in precise [10:33] :( [10:33] What are you using ipsec for bigcalm ? [10:33] YaManicKill, i have 2 screens but in twinview [10:33] so was going to setup my microserver lastnight [10:33] diplo: connecting iDigi devices to a main server [10:34] turns out i need an additional sata connector to be able to put a drive in the optical drive bay [10:34] darnit [10:34] need to remember how to restore the minimise button [10:34] mungojerry: yeah, my problem is I have 4 monitors over 2 graphics cards. And with nvidia, you can't use more than 2 monitors on twinview [10:34] i'm using it to see if the cinnamon bug is manifested in gnome shell [10:34] diplo: the main server will eventually have a hardware firewall and IPSec VPN. But for my own testing, I need to set up IPSec [10:34] and you can't have multiple graphics cards using the same xscreen. [10:34] We use IPSec vpns, but as part of SMEServer ( yuck ) it works but can be a pita! [10:35] NET||abuse, moved my microserver to another room, so peaceful in my den now [10:35] NET||abuse: you don't have another sata cable just lying around? what sort of geek are you? ;-) [10:35] diplo: I'm new to getting things working. Have less than a day left now :) [10:35] Lets see if I can get it working on the Debian 6.0 server instead of Ubuntu 12.04 [10:35] aha, they sound like my old dead lines [10:35] yeh, just remembered where my geek case is, full of innards from previous systems [10:36] just moved house so my bits are in boxes everywhere [10:36] now that's more like it :-P [10:36] Nope, it's not in Debian either. Tarballs it is! [10:36] still a bit discombobulated from the move :) [10:36] right...time for some haskell programming [10:36] one thing i don't have is a keyboard :P [10:37] can someone mention my name pls? [10:37] mungojerry: bonjour [10:37] works sweet [10:37] migth need a roll of cat5e to try and run the mungojerry to through a cable hole in the wall to the study [10:38] mungojerry: awesome, I'll have to try that next time I use gnome-shell again [10:40] !info openswan [10:40] openswan (source: openswan): Internet Key Exchange daemon. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:2.6.37-1 (precise), package size 1047 kB, installed size 2562 kB [10:40] Aha, that's a better option. Considering the last release of freeswan was in 2004 [10:42] what's the point of the top bar in chrome that only shows one app running? [10:42] s/chrome/gnome shell/ [10:43] just shows the app in focus..pretty pointless [10:47] this one's nice https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/327/axe-menu/ [10:47] quicker than unity for me too [10:48] looks interesting [10:49] struggling to get checkgmail to appear so far [10:51] czajkowski: happy birthday!!!!!!!!!!! [10:51] davmor2: thank you [10:51] czajkowski: why are you trying to report a bug on skype to ubuntu they can't fix it [10:52] yes but it should at least tell your what packages are not installed [10:52] some sort of debugging [10:52] some information [10:52] not nothing and then close [10:52] irksome! [10:53] czajkowski: pick on evan [10:53] he's mid sprint [10:53] czajkowski: when you're in the office next, he'll be pretending to be a desinger [10:55] lol [10:55] czajkowski, on 12.10? how did you get the dialog to come up? did skype crash or did you "ubuntu-bug skype"? [10:55] popey: skype crashed mid call with my ssister on video [10:55] no vide and no crash [10:56] as soon as both videos are in use it bombs out [10:56] nice [10:56] start skype in a terminal and do it again, see if you get an error message? [10:57] popey: skype - anything ? [10:58] actually... [10:58] in ~/.Skype [10:59] create a directory called Logs [10:59] (both case sensitive) [10:59] then restart skype [10:59] it should create a timestamp logfile in there [11:00] (which is useless, because it's a binary format) [11:00] but you can then report the issue to skype themselves [11:00] ahh [11:00] with skype i usually createa directory in home for each skype identity i have [11:00] czajkowski: https://support.skype.com/en-gb/ is the place to start looking to file the issue with skype too [11:01] then you can create a shortcut on your desktop with --dbpath=~/.Skype_myskypuser [11:02] czajkowski: so if there's some options your flicked around in your profile, create a new dbpath directory and launch skype with this new directory and see if it also does the same thing [11:03] popey: good call on the Logs directory, didn't know bout htat [11:03] NET||abuse: ack [11:04] handy NET||abuse [11:04] i only have one skype "identity" :) [11:04] ah, with each job or group i work with i tend to create a new identity [11:04] have my personal skype and my work skype [11:04] and i log into both simulatniously [11:04] ah one of me is more than enough for anyone :) [11:05] I had skype for contract project management (outsourced developers) then there was skype for company x i was in [11:05] kept things organised [11:06] add me on skype :) user:"quicksmart" [11:07] czajkowski: must meet up with you at a meetup group soon, been about 2 years since i've had a pint with you. Ilug, or PHP group in dublin [11:07] Now that i'm in London :) [11:09] NET||abuse: ah well if you're in London no excuse [11:09] saying that i leave tomorrow and will be back on Nov 2nd [11:09] actually the last time was at Barcamp i think was it in Solas at the afters [11:09] some bar on camden street anyway :) [11:10] Well i'm an Old street round about guy now [11:10] going to php meetup tomorrow [11:10] in the goog campus [11:12] AlanBell, if you want to do some dogfooding on our latest stuff.. ppa:unity-team/ppa [11:12] ah, found a mousewheel zoom app for gnoem shell, all is sweet [11:12] mungojerry: ooh, really, i'd like that [11:12] https://github.com/tobiasquinn/gnome-shell-mousewheel-zoom NET||abuse [11:12] cheers :) [11:13] read the readme, add the repo, run mousewheel zoom and alt scroll away! [11:13] works really nice [11:13] that's one i miss from compiz [11:13] ahh, debian, i'm stuck on fedora till i geet a chance to re-instlal [11:13] I was tempted to go from F16 to F17 but i think ubuntu is calling me back :) [11:14] I want to redeem my humble bundle keys in the software center [11:14] i'm sure there's a package for fed [11:14] that and steam is due out and likely only for ubuntu first [11:14] ;) [11:14] brb [11:14] http://www.webupd8.org/2011/09/compiz-like-mousewheel-zoom-tool-for.html [11:14] NET||abuse, fedora instructions [11:17] folks I do need your help, and the post explains it https://plus.google.com/102921374554385564572/posts/2chyKLhJiyR [11:38] Done :) [11:38] diplo: thanks [11:40] Must remember to grab the precise iso tonight to reinstall my home pc [11:40] Still on 9.04 :D [11:41] diplo: grap the quantal one and report bugs [11:41] Is it fairly stable, need to do a load of web design for a charity [11:41] ? [11:41] even better, hit ctrl+s at the ubiquity screen and do it without eyes [11:41] I am running it on my work laptop [11:42] Cool, grabbing now [11:42] rock solid and unity is almost completely unbroken now [11:42] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [11:42] Best to use that ? [11:43] yup [11:43] OK, on it's way down [11:43] * diplo hopes AlanBell is right :D [11:44] popey: Have you tried xbmcbuntu on your revo ? [11:44] Debating about trying this tonight [11:44] http://www.xbmcfreak.nl/xbmcbuntu-12-04-with-pre-frodo-mid-september-release/ [11:49] no [11:49] i just use xbmc on top of ubuntu [11:50] I'm not one for fiddled about with distros [11:54] heh, I'm still on 9.04 running eden on mine [11:54] Just a lot of improvements in the xbmcbuntu it seems [11:54] So thought I'd give it a try [11:57] anyone know where to get a tv stand like they use in schools? [11:57] the wheeled stand [11:58] mungojerry: ikea might staples might [12:01] i'm in a wasteland round here, think i might default to amazon [12:06] mungojerry: yeah, i know where [12:07] it involves a time machine tho [12:07] since no one uses those any more :) [12:07] orly? [12:07] i see them used a lot [12:07] because you can't always fix big screens to walls [12:07] got a picture? [12:07] or you want a mobile solution [12:08] i'm sure you can get those at ikea, but they're quite low to the ground [12:08] i found what i wanted http://www.amazon.co.uk/FS1031-Exhibition-Display-Trolley-Mounting/dp/B005ZBI2IQ/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1349265462&sr=8-3 [12:09] that is ugly [12:09] where are you putting this tv? [12:09] in an office [12:09] oh [12:09] and sometimes another office [12:09] then that's not ugly [12:10] nope ;) [12:10] that'd look terrible at home :) [12:10] i don't have a posh telly at home [12:10] and i'm all for practicality [12:11] what is a "posh" telly? [12:11] lCD [12:11] ..something with hdmi... [12:12] i have a crt [12:12] a telly where the remote control named "Jeeves" [12:12] lol [12:13] cannot get gnome shell to not say "unavailable" in chat [12:13] wonder if i have to install empathy [12:14] our remote is called 'frank' [12:14] all of them [12:14] your wife's called rank? [12:14] *frank [12:14] * mattt retracts [12:14] * mattt shows himself out [12:14] Frank Zappa [12:14] i'm kind of seeing linus' point about the extension nightmare with gnome shell [12:14] gord, are the yellow sweets sour? [12:15] thats the thing, not really no [12:15] mungojerry is that the one where every time you upgrade gnome you have to edit a bunch of extensions to make them work again? [12:15] that's a big bit of the reason I've started using Unity again [12:15] yeah, i'm expecting that will happen [12:15] the picture of the mans face suggests they might be [12:15] that and Unity losing a lot of the insane [12:15] also, popey is banned from puns [12:16] BigRedS, its the small things in unity that i cant change that bug me [12:16] yeah, most of mine are now changeable as of 12.10 [12:16] buttons on the right? movable launcher? [12:16] even if it did take me *weeks* to find the desktop size thing [12:16] proper global menu disable is coming right? [12:16] not in this release [12:17] i sort of have GS running like gnome2 ....sort of [12:17] nah, crazy alt-tab, launcher that hardly ever opens, almost-analogue for Gnome's start-button behaviour [12:17] most importantly, if I use alt-tab it always takes me to the window I asked for [12:18] I am amused, though, that now that widescreen monitors are ubiquitous, both Gnome and Unity keep a largely useless unhiding bar of about 16px at the top of the screen occupied [12:19] GS still has a super annoying bug where the screen with the screen unlock dialog is not shown (screen remains black) so you have to type your password blindly into the computer [12:19] (nvidia with 2 screens) [12:20] ooh, I never had that, I'm running nvidia with 2 screens [12:20] GS? [12:20] I was [12:21] this was on Ubuntu; is that where you're running it? [12:21] (this was also a while ago, early 12.04 beta) [12:21] lock screen ,come back 10 mins later and can't wake up other screen which the password box is always on [12:21] running 12.04 [12:22] hmm, weird [12:24] yeah, pretty annoying in open plan office [12:26] yeah, I can imagine [12:32] hmm empathy doesn't connect to my jabber server :S [12:32] fail [12:40] empathy's not supposed to *work* [12:41] Gnome appears to be favouring some IM-built-in-to-the-DE thingy, and everyone else just uses Pidgin [12:41] which is a shame, because those pop-up thingies that empathy and gnome3 do for replying to IM is _so_ useful [12:44] BigRedS: gnome are using empathy it just has a gnomeshell plugin [12:45] davmor2: ah yeah, I just reread where I got that from. They're moving towards configuring it in gnome shell (and not in empathy's own menu hierarchy) [12:46] BigRedS: which is the same as in Quantal you use online accounts to set empathy clients up [12:46] heh, yeah, something like that [12:46] I didn't understand what it was asking so used Pidgin [12:47] especially since Unity doesn't do those popups [12:48] BigRedS: it does do the popups you just trigger emapthy to interact with them. done deliberately too, to make you more productive apparently :) [12:49] ooh! How do I 'trigger empathy' to make them work? [12:51] woohoo! got my power monitor working again [12:51] http://popey.com/house/ [12:52] BigRedS: So what I mean is you click on empathy contact in the indicator menu, but you should see the meassages popup top right [12:53] Ahh, It's particularly being able to interact with the popup that I'm after. [12:54] Well, I'll have a fiddle with it anyway [12:55] BigRedS: you might be able to trigger something in the bowls of dconf-editor maybe [12:56] discovered my empathy jabber issue is a WONTFIX [12:56] so i'm confined to pidgin [13:01] davmor2: ah yeah, pidgin's workable enough that I'll probably never get round to looking. And Empathy's really rather buggy even in g-s [13:01] mungojerry: which bug's that? [13:52] popey: Can you remind me what you use for that, would like to buy a unit as mine doesn't have any connection options at present [13:52] Using 900watts fairly constantly! [13:53] its a currentcost [13:53] thats it ta [14:21] Hello. [14:22] Hello! [14:25] popey: ~1KW seems like loads for daytime idling... what's turned on? [14:28] For comparison we're using ~450Wh for me on my desktop (beefy), 3 4W LED GU10 bulbs in the office, TV et al on standby, standard kitchen jazz and about 20 idling switching power supplies [14:29] And well over half that is this desktop (i7, nvidia card, two 24" ccrd monitors [14:30] is it really using that much or is that just what the sticker on the side of the PSU says? [14:41] hey guys [14:42] if I run file_get_contents($url) from one server, it works fine - but from another, it generates a 408 timeout [14:44] Nothing in the logs of the second server andylockran ? [14:45] diplo - from my local machine it works [14:45] /var/log/apache2/error.log or access.log or even messages ? [14:45] from a client's server, I've done a strace, and it seems to hang and timeout [14:45] yeah so it seems it's an apache(webservice) issue [14:45] ? [14:45] On the client [14:45] then on the $url - it returns a 408 in that error log [14:45] No other details in the any of the logs ? [14:46] does anyone know how to get ecryptfs to mount another user's home automatically at login? [14:46] I'm guessing not a public url we could try and reproduce here for you ? [14:46] it is a public url [14:46] I can do it manually, but I've no idea how to set that stuff up for ecryptfs to do it automatically at login [14:47] www.andyloughran.co.uk/test.html [14:47] it's the clientside php that's failing on the clients server [14:47] basically, file_get_contents() is timing out, and I've no idea why [14:47] but can't see a firewall on the machine, but think it's an openvz container, with the host controlled by a third party [14:48] but the thing that confuses me is that wget works fine, so it only appears to be php that's blocked [14:48] release party is all a bit more confirmed now [14:48] That's what I was saying earlier, is to look at clients server logs but I guess you don't have access ? [14:48] http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2006/detail/ [14:48] I have full access at both ends (to the VM) [14:50] http://pastebin.com/VDPTw3As [14:50] that's what the strace shows [14:52] Sorry got the wrong end of the stick, i thought you were trying to get http://clientsside/test.html and that wasn't working, not php to test.html on yours [14:52] side=site* [14:54] ah, ok [14:54] Just thinking now :P [14:54] yeah, so the client site does some php fopen shizzle to get xml feed & things like google maps [14:54] and basically my problem is that php is no longer able to access http streams - and I haven't the foggiest why [14:55] it's still registered streams [14:55] http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3488425/php-ini-file-get-contents-external-url [14:55] Could be this ? [14:56] http://www.php.net/manual/en/filesystem.configuration.php#ini.allow-url-fopen [14:56] brb [14:57] allow_url_fopen = On [14:57] in both /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini and /etc/php5/cli/php.ini [14:59] I've checked the UserAgent too.. having no long [15:01] this is hard :( [15:01] Tried using curl instead ? [15:01]