[05:04] <christel> morning
[05:05] <MartijnVdS> \o
[05:14]  * christel does a little dance with MartijnVdS 
[05:17] <MartijnVdS> \\o o// \o/
[05:21]  * MartijnVdS looks at the rain radar.. I need to be quick if I want to get to work with dry clothes... :|
[05:35] <christel> hehe
[06:23] <MooDoo> morning al
[07:11] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:11] <elfy> morning AlanBell
[07:19] <Myrtti> mmm tea
[07:29] <christel> one of my clients emailed me and said "Hey Christel, you might appreciate this really useful site for chest films"
[07:29] <christel> so my early morning brain went "oooh tits *click*"
[07:29] <christel> http://i.imgur.com/rEDij.jpg this was the first chest i saw...
[07:30] <christel> i then realised they werent trying to send me Happy Morning Tits but actually work-related stuff :(
[07:33] <popey> *blink*
[07:33] <christel> (oh it is totally SFW)
[07:35]  * AlanBell makes christel some coffee
[07:35] <AlanBell> early morning brains need coffee
[07:36] <mattt> tired too :(
[07:41] <christel> mmmcoffee
[07:41] <christel> yes
[07:41] <christel> i have been working since 4am
[07:50] <AlanBell> I just managed to burn the bottom of a fried egg before the top was cooked
[07:54] <j0nr> am confused.. eyeD3 displays different values for ID3 tags than lltag does....
[07:54] <j0nr> i just used lltag to re-tag an mp3 but eyeD3 still shows the old tags
[07:59] <diplo> Morning all
[08:25] <JamesTai1> Good morning all! :)
[08:41]  * SuperMatt shakes a fist at cacti
[08:48]  * Laney was impressed yesterday when his new machine booted straight into the old Ubuntu installation, without problem
[08:48] <popey> got the new box all built then Laney ?
[08:49] <Laney> yep
[08:49] <Laney> no blood
[08:49] <popey> you should benchmark it
[08:49] <Laney> the only dubious thing is that the SSD doesn't fit into my case
[08:49] <Laney> so it's just sitting in a drive bay :(
[08:49] <popey>  time perl -e 'for($i=0;$i<1e8;$i++) { }'
[08:49] <popey> run that :)
[08:49] <Laney> I got a 7.7 on the Windows Experience Index™©®
[08:49] <popey> http://www.hants.lug.org.uk/wiki/HugoRandomBenchmark  add to the benchmark list :)
[08:50] <AlanBell> need a multicore version of that
[08:51] <gord> run it in multiple terminals at once!
[08:51] <popey> i7 does turbo though
[08:51] <popey> so it still should be fast
[08:51] <popey> one day we'll have to make it 1e9 :)
[08:51] <Laney> 2.958 total
[08:51] <popey> you win!
[08:52] <AlanBell> so how would you get it to fork 10 of them at once and time it until the last one finishes?
[08:53] <AlanBell> or 24 of them for example :)
[08:54]  * Laney is running y-crunchers
[08:54] <Laney> y-cruncher
[08:54] <gord> sounds like a cereal
[08:54] <diplo> I think it's time for me to save for an upgrade, what ball park figure did you spend laney?
[08:54] <Laney> just over 1k
[08:55] <diplo> Hmm, bigger than I can afford, I do remember you probably specced it a tad higher than i would have though
[08:55] <diplo> :)
[08:55] <AlanBell> I am puzzled by it running faster in a kvm guest than on the host
[08:55] <Laney> yeah, well, I tend to keep my machines for a long time
[08:55] <Laney> I'll probably have this for 5 years or so
[08:55] <diplo> Mine are 5-6 years old
[08:55] <diplo> I used to upgrade them every year if not more often
[08:55] <diplo> Then I had 2 children :D
[08:56] <Laney> yeah, they're much higher spec than your computer
[08:57] <diplo> heh
[08:57] <gord> AlanBell, significantly faster? in a kvm guest pure computation should be equal so any deviation can usually be put down to outside sources
[08:57] <AlanBell> real 0m6.390s in the guest vs real 0m7.424s in the host
[08:58] <AlanBell> and it is consistent and reproduceable on several machines
[09:00] <AlanBell> maybe a bit of variability in that actually, but certainly there is no performance penalty for being in a guest for single core operations
[09:02] <Laney> started playing portal 2 last night
[09:02]  * Laney is living that xkcd
[09:05] <gord> heh, went to install google drive on my ipad, the screenshot uses the ubuntu font
[09:09] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:09] <bigcalm> Anybody set-up an IPSec server in linux?
[09:26] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:27] <awilkins> Stupid question ; anyone know how to make a clone of a git branch such that all the references are identical - ie, the new clone has the same remotes, not the repo you just cloned as remotes
[09:28] <awilkins> ASide from cp -r
[09:45] <einonm> awilkins: I think whenever I've done that, I've just edited the .git/config file afterwards. There is probably an easier way - maybe #git would help if no one else here can?
[09:46] <awilkins> Maybe... Google isn't helping much, too many articles with "git, clone, remote" in them
[09:59] <xnox> awilkins: git clone --mirror
[10:00] <xnox> you may also want --bare
[10:01] <awilkins> xnox, --mirror implies --bare
[10:02] <awilkins> But you have provoked me to look at --mirror again
[10:02] <awilkins> Shame there's no "not bare" option
[10:02] <awilkins> The answer seems to be...
[10:02] <xnox> awilkins: ah, ok. is that what you wanted? alternative is to write .git/config where fetch=refs/heads/*:refs/heads/* (which is what mirror does)
[10:02] <awilkins> mkdir new-clone
[10:02] <awilkins> git clone --mirror old-clone new-clone/.git
[10:03] <xnox> but you'll want to fetch tags as well with fetch=refs/tags/*:refs/tags/*
[10:03] <awilkins> cd new-clone
[10:03] <awilkins> git config --local --bool core.bare false
[10:03] <awilkins> git checkout
[10:04] <awilkins> Not a one-liner but you end up with what I wanted
[10:04] <xnox> awilkins:  a branch deleted on the remote host, will not be deleted locally.
[10:04] <xnox> (NB!)
[10:04] <xnox> =)
[10:07] <awilkins> Doesn't clone the SVN metadata
[10:07] <xnox> awilkins: no. it clones object store only & branch ref.
[10:07] <xnox> awilkins: no. it clones object store only & branch refs
[10:08] <xnox> awilkins: you will need to either have svn metadata in the commit messages or tarball the whole repo and make it available for download.
[10:08] <xnox> in the former case you will need to "re-initialize" in the later you will be good to go.
[10:08] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:20] <mungojerry> this may sound silly but how do i configure a channel to connect in xchat? it's bizarre
[10:20] <mungojerry> it doesn't seem to have an accounts section
[10:22] <popey> Xchat -> Network list
[10:22] <popey> Choose a network -> edit
[10:22] <DJones> Click edit on the network and there is a favourite channels
[10:22] <popey> there's a "Favorite channels" where you list then
[10:23] <popey> #foo,#bar,#baz
[10:24] <bigcalm> Also, you can right-click on a channel name that you are already connected to and select 'Add to Favorites'
[10:24] <mungojerry> thanks popey i missed the favourite channels bit
[10:24] <mungojerry> cool tip bigcalm ta
[10:24] <bigcalm> You're welcome
[10:24]  * bigcalm returns to shouting at IPSec
[10:28] <mungojerry> another one...how does one move the notifications in gnome?
[10:28] <mungojerry> to top of screen
[10:28] <mungojerry> (might not get an answer in here)
[10:28] <YaManicKill> gnome shell?
[10:28] <YaManicKill> I don't think you can
[10:28] <mungojerry> yeah
[10:28] <mungojerry> oh :(
[10:29] <YaManicKill> http://askubuntu.com/questions/80942/pin-notifications-to-toppanel-in-gnome-shell
[10:29] <YaManicKill> my bad, I was wrong, there is an extension apparently
[10:29] <YaManicKill> oh wait...ignore that, I didn't read it properly
[10:30] <mungojerry> sweet
[10:30] <YaManicKill> is that what you were wanting, or do you mean the popup notifications? or the other notification icons like dropbox etc?
[10:30] <mungojerry> i mean when someone mentions me in irc
[10:30] <YaManicKill> oh ok yeah let me investigate more :-P
[10:32] <YaManicKill> how about this? https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/243/shell-osd/
[10:32] <YaManicKill> I'd love to go back to Gnome-shell sometime...but the bug that stops me using it is still there I think
[10:32] <YaManicKill> not being able to have multiple x-screens
[10:33] <bigcalm> !info freeswan
[10:33] <lubotu3`> Package freeswan does not exist in precise
[10:33] <bigcalm> :(
[10:33] <diplo> What are you using ipsec for bigcalm ?
[10:33] <mungojerry> YaManicKill, i have 2 screens but in twinview
[10:33] <NET||abuse> so was going to setup my microserver lastnight
[10:33] <bigcalm> diplo: connecting iDigi devices to a main server
[10:34] <NET||abuse> turns out i need an additional sata connector to be able to put a drive in the optical drive bay
[10:34] <NET||abuse> darnit
[10:34] <mungojerry> need to remember how to restore the minimise button
[10:34] <YaManicKill> mungojerry: yeah, my problem is I have 4 monitors over 2 graphics cards. And with nvidia, you can't use more than 2 monitors on twinview
[10:34] <mungojerry> i'm using it to see if the cinnamon bug is manifested in gnome shell
[10:34] <bigcalm> diplo: the main server will eventually have a hardware firewall and IPSec VPN. But for my own testing, I need to set up IPSec
[10:34] <YaManicKill> and you can't have multiple graphics cards using the same xscreen.
[10:34] <diplo> We use IPSec vpns, but as part of SMEServer ( yuck ) it works but can be a pita!
[10:35] <popey> NET||abuse, moved my microserver to another room, so peaceful in my den now
[10:35] <YaManicKill> NET||abuse: you don't have another sata cable just lying around? what sort of geek are you? ;-)
[10:35] <bigcalm> diplo: I'm new to getting things working. Have less than a day left now :)
[10:35] <bigcalm> Lets see if I can get it working on the Debian 6.0 server instead of Ubuntu 12.04
[10:35] <diplo> aha, they sound like my old dead lines
[10:35] <NET||abuse> yeh, just remembered where my geek case is, full of innards from previous systems
[10:36] <NET||abuse> just moved house so my bits are in boxes everywhere
[10:36] <YaManicKill> now that's more like it :-P
[10:36] <bigcalm> Nope, it's not in Debian either. Tarballs it is!
[10:36] <NET||abuse> still a bit discombobulated from the move :)
[10:36] <YaManicKill> right...time for some haskell programming
[10:36] <NET||abuse> one thing i don't have is a keyboard :P
[10:37] <mungojerry> can someone mention my name pls?
[10:37] <YaManicKill> mungojerry: bonjour
[10:37] <mungojerry> works sweet
[10:37] <NET||abuse> migth need a roll of cat5e to try and run the mungojerry to through a cable hole in the wall to the study
[10:38] <YaManicKill> mungojerry: awesome, I'll have to try that next time I use gnome-shell again
[10:40] <bigcalm> !info openswan
[10:40] <lubotu3`> openswan (source: openswan): Internet Key Exchange daemon. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:2.6.37-1 (precise), package size 1047 kB, installed size 2562 kB
[10:40] <bigcalm> Aha, that's a better option. Considering the last release of freeswan was in 2004
[10:42] <mungojerry> what's the point of the top bar in chrome that only shows one app running?
[10:42] <mungojerry> s/chrome/gnome shell/
[10:43] <mungojerry> just shows the app in focus..pretty pointless
[10:47] <mungojerry> this one's nice https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/327/axe-menu/
[10:47] <mungojerry> quicker than unity for me too
[10:48] <YaManicKill> looks interesting
[10:49] <mungojerry> struggling to get checkgmail to appear so far
[10:51] <davmor2> czajkowski: happy birthday!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:51] <czajkowski> davmor2: thank you
[10:51] <davmor2> czajkowski: why are you trying to report a bug on skype to ubuntu they can't fix it
[10:52] <czajkowski> yes but it should at least tell your what packages are not installed
[10:52] <czajkowski> some sort of debugging
[10:52] <czajkowski> some information
[10:52] <czajkowski> not nothing and then close
[10:52] <czajkowski> irksome!
[10:53] <davmor2> czajkowski: pick on evan
[10:53] <czajkowski> he's mid sprint
[10:53] <davmor2> czajkowski: when you're in the office next, he'll be pretending to be a desinger
[10:55] <czajkowski> lol
[10:55] <popey> czajkowski, on 12.10? how did you get the dialog to come up? did skype crash or did you "ubuntu-bug skype"?
[10:55] <czajkowski> popey: skype crashed mid call with my ssister on video
[10:55] <czajkowski> no vide and no crash
[10:56] <czajkowski> as soon as both videos are in use it bombs out
[10:56] <popey> nice
[10:56] <popey> start skype in a terminal and do it again, see if you get an error message?
[10:57] <czajkowski> popey: skype - anything ?
[10:58] <popey> actually...
[10:58] <popey> in ~/.Skype
[10:59] <popey> create a directory called Logs
[10:59] <popey> (both case sensitive)
[10:59] <popey> then restart skype
[10:59] <popey> it should create a timestamp logfile in there
[11:00] <popey> (which is useless, because it's a binary format)
[11:00] <popey> but you can then report the issue to skype themselves
[11:00] <czajkowski> ahh
[11:00] <NET||abuse> with skype i usually createa  directory in home for each skype identity i have
[11:00] <davmor2> czajkowski: https://support.skype.com/en-gb/ is the place to start looking to file the issue with skype too
[11:01] <NET||abuse> then you can create a shortcut on your desktop with --dbpath=~/.Skype_myskypuser
[11:02] <NET||abuse> czajkowski: so if there's some options your flicked around in your profile, create a new dbpath directory and launch skype with this new directory and see if it also does the same thing
[11:03] <NET||abuse> popey: good call on the Logs directory, didn't know bout htat
[11:03] <czajkowski> NET||abuse: ack
[11:04] <popey> handy NET||abuse
[11:04] <popey> i only have one skype "identity" :)
[11:04] <NET||abuse> ah, with each job or group i work with i tend to create a new identity
[11:04] <NET||abuse> have my personal skype and my work skype
[11:04] <NET||abuse> and i log into both simulatniously
[11:04] <czajkowski> ah one of me is more than enough for anyone :)
[11:05] <NET||abuse> I had skype for contract project management (outsourced developers) then there was skype for company x i was in
[11:05] <NET||abuse> kept things organised
[11:06] <NET||abuse> add me on skype :) user:"quicksmart"
[11:07] <NET||abuse> czajkowski: must meet up with you at a meetup group soon, been about 2 years since i've had a pint with you. Ilug, or PHP group in dublin
[11:07] <NET||abuse> Now that i'm in London :)
[11:09] <czajkowski> NET||abuse: ah well if you're in London no excuse
[11:09] <czajkowski> saying that i leave tomorrow and will be back on Nov 2nd
[11:09] <NET||abuse> actually the last time was at Barcamp i think was it in Solas at the afters
[11:09] <NET||abuse> some bar on camden street anyway :)
[11:10] <NET||abuse> Well i'm an Old street round about guy now
[11:10] <NET||abuse> going to php meetup tomorrow
[11:10] <NET||abuse> in the goog campus
[11:12] <popey> AlanBell, if you want to do some dogfooding on our latest stuff.. ppa:unity-team/ppa
[11:12] <mungojerry> ah, found a mousewheel zoom app for gnoem shell, all is sweet
[11:12] <NET||abuse> mungojerry: ooh, really, i'd like that
[11:12] <mungojerry> https://github.com/tobiasquinn/gnome-shell-mousewheel-zoom NET||abuse
[11:12] <NET||abuse> cheers :)
[11:13] <mungojerry> read the readme, add the repo, run mousewheel zoom and alt scroll away!
[11:13] <mungojerry> works really nice
[11:13] <NET||abuse> that's one i miss from compiz
[11:13] <NET||abuse> ahh, debian, i'm stuck on fedora till i geet a chance to re-instlal
[11:13] <NET||abuse> I was tempted to go from F16 to F17 but i think ubuntu is calling me back :)
[11:14] <NET||abuse> I want to redeem my humble bundle keys in the software center
[11:14] <mungojerry> i'm sure there's a package for fed
[11:14] <NET||abuse> that and steam is due out and likely only for ubuntu first
[11:14] <NET||abuse> ;)
[11:14] <NET||abuse> brb
[11:14] <mungojerry> http://www.webupd8.org/2011/09/compiz-like-mousewheel-zoom-tool-for.html
[11:14] <mungojerry> NET||abuse, fedora instructions
[11:17] <czajkowski> folks I do need your help, and the post explains it https://plus.google.com/102921374554385564572/posts/2chyKLhJiyR
[11:38] <diplo> Done :)
[11:38] <czajkowski> diplo: thanks
[11:40] <diplo> Must remember to grab the precise iso tonight to reinstall my home pc
[11:40] <diplo> Still on 9.04 :D
[11:41] <AlanBell> diplo: grap the quantal one and report bugs
[11:41] <diplo> Is it fairly stable, need to do a load of web design for a charity
[11:41] <diplo> ?
[11:41] <AlanBell> even better, hit ctrl+s at the ubiquity screen and do it without eyes
[11:41] <AlanBell> I am running it on my work laptop
[11:42] <diplo> Cool, grabbing now
[11:42] <AlanBell> rock solid and unity is almost completely unbroken now
[11:42] <diplo> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[11:42] <diplo> Best to use that ?
[11:43] <AlanBell> yup
[11:43] <diplo> OK, on it's way down
[11:43]  * diplo hopes AlanBell is right :D
[11:44] <diplo> popey: Have you tried xbmcbuntu on your revo ?
[11:44] <diplo> Debating about trying this tonight
[11:44] <diplo> http://www.xbmcfreak.nl/xbmcbuntu-12-04-with-pre-frodo-mid-september-release/
[11:49] <popey> no
[11:49] <popey> i just use xbmc on top of ubuntu
[11:50] <popey> I'm not one for fiddled about with distros
[11:54] <diplo> heh, I'm still on 9.04 running eden on mine
[11:54] <diplo> Just a lot of improvements in the xbmcbuntu it seems
[11:54] <diplo> So thought I'd give it a try
[11:57] <mungojerry> anyone know where to get a tv stand like they use in schools?
[11:57] <mungojerry> the wheeled stand
[11:58] <davmor2> mungojerry: ikea might staples might
[12:01] <mungojerry> i'm in a wasteland round here, think i might default to amazon
[12:06] <mattt> mungojerry: yeah, i know where
[12:07] <mattt> it involves a time machine tho
[12:07] <mattt> since no one uses those any more :)
[12:07] <mungojerry> orly?
[12:07] <mungojerry> i see them used a lot
[12:07] <mungojerry> because you can't always fix big screens to walls
[12:07] <mattt> got a picture?
[12:07] <mungojerry> or you want a mobile solution
[12:08] <mattt> i'm sure you can get those at ikea, but they're quite low to the ground
[12:08] <mungojerry> i found what i wanted http://www.amazon.co.uk/FS1031-Exhibition-Display-Trolley-Mounting/dp/B005ZBI2IQ/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1349265462&sr=8-3
[12:09] <mattt> that is ugly
[12:09] <mattt> where are you putting this tv?
[12:09] <mungojerry> in an office
[12:09] <mattt> oh
[12:09] <mungojerry> and sometimes another office
[12:09] <mattt> then that's not ugly
[12:10] <mungojerry> nope ;)
[12:10] <mattt> that'd look terrible at home :)
[12:10] <mungojerry> i don't have a posh telly at home
[12:10] <mattt> and i'm all for practicality
[12:11] <popey> what is a "posh" telly?
[12:11] <mungojerry> lCD
[12:11] <mungojerry> ..something with hdmi...
[12:12] <mungojerry> i have a crt
[12:12] <gord> a telly where the remote control named "Jeeves"
[12:12] <mungojerry> lol
[12:13] <mungojerry> cannot get gnome shell to not say "unavailable" in chat
[12:13] <mungojerry> wonder if i have to install empathy
[12:14] <popey> our remote is called 'frank'
[12:14] <popey> all of them
[12:14] <mattt> your wife's called rank?
[12:14] <mattt> *frank
[12:14]  * mattt retracts
[12:14]  * mattt shows himself out
[12:14] <popey> Frank Zappa
[12:14] <mungojerry> i'm kind of seeing linus' point about the extension nightmare with gnome shell
[12:14] <popey> gord, are the yellow sweets sour?
[12:15] <gord> thats the thing, not really no
[12:15] <BigRedS>  mungojerry is that the one where every time you upgrade gnome you have to edit a bunch of extensions to make them work again?
[12:15] <BigRedS> that's a big bit of the reason I've started using Unity again
[12:15] <mungojerry> yeah, i'm expecting that will happen
[12:15] <popey> the picture of the mans face suggests they might be
[12:15] <BigRedS> that and Unity losing a lot of the insane
[12:15] <gord> also, popey is banned from puns
[12:16] <mungojerry> BigRedS, its the small things in unity that i cant change that bug me
[12:16] <BigRedS> yeah, most of mine are now changeable as of 12.10
[12:16] <mungojerry> buttons on the right? movable launcher?
[12:16] <BigRedS> even if it did take me *weeks* to find the desktop size thing
[12:16] <mungojerry> proper global menu disable is coming right?
[12:16] <popey> not in this release
[12:17] <mungojerry> i sort of have GS running like gnome2 ....sort of
[12:17] <BigRedS> nah, crazy alt-tab, launcher that hardly ever opens, almost-analogue for Gnome's start-button behaviour
[12:17] <BigRedS> most importantly, if I use alt-tab it always takes me to the window I asked for
[12:18] <BigRedS> I am amused, though, that now that widescreen monitors are ubiquitous, both Gnome and Unity keep a largely useless unhiding bar of about 16px at the top of the screen occupied
[12:19] <mungojerry> GS still has a super annoying bug where the screen with the screen unlock dialog is not shown (screen remains black) so you have to type your password blindly into the computer
[12:19] <mungojerry> (nvidia with 2 screens)
[12:20] <BigRedS> ooh, I never had that, I'm running nvidia with 2 screens
[12:20] <mungojerry> GS?
[12:20] <BigRedS> I was
[12:21] <BigRedS> this was on Ubuntu; is that where you're running it?
[12:21] <BigRedS> (this was also a while ago, early 12.04 beta)
[12:21] <mungojerry> lock screen ,come back 10 mins later and can't wake up other screen which the password box is always on
[12:21] <mungojerry> running 12.04
[12:22] <BigRedS> hmm, weird
[12:24] <mungojerry> yeah, pretty annoying in open plan office
[12:26] <BigRedS> yeah, I can imagine
[12:32] <mungojerry> hmm empathy doesn't connect to my jabber server :S
[12:32] <mungojerry> fail
[12:40] <BigRedS> empathy's not supposed to *work*
[12:41] <BigRedS> Gnome appears to be favouring some IM-built-in-to-the-DE thingy, and everyone else just uses Pidgin
[12:41] <BigRedS> which is a shame, because those pop-up thingies that empathy and gnome3 do for replying to IM is _so_ useful
[12:44] <davmor2> BigRedS: gnome are using empathy it just has a gnomeshell plugin
[12:45] <BigRedS> davmor2: ah yeah, I just reread where I got that from. They're moving towards configuring it in gnome shell (and not in empathy's own menu hierarchy)
[12:46] <davmor2> BigRedS: which is the same as in Quantal you use online accounts to set empathy clients up
[12:46] <BigRedS> heh, yeah, something like that
[12:46] <BigRedS> I didn't understand what it was asking so used Pidgin
[12:47] <BigRedS> especially since Unity doesn't do those popups
[12:48] <davmor2> BigRedS: it does do the popups you just trigger emapthy to interact with them.  done deliberately too, to make you more productive apparently :)
[12:49] <BigRedS> ooh! How do I 'trigger empathy' to make them work?
[12:51] <popey> woohoo! got my power monitor working again
[12:51] <popey> http://popey.com/house/
[12:52] <davmor2> BigRedS: So what I mean is you click on empathy contact in the indicator menu, but you should see the meassages popup top right
[12:53] <BigRedS> Ahh, It's particularly being able to interact with the popup that I'm after.
[12:54] <BigRedS> Well, I'll have a fiddle with it anyway
[12:55] <davmor2> BigRedS: you might be able to trigger something in the bowls of dconf-editor maybe
[12:56] <mungojerry> discovered my empathy jabber issue is a WONTFIX
[12:56] <mungojerry> so i'm confined to pidgin
[13:01] <BigRedS> davmor2: ah yeah, pidgin's workable enough that I'll probably never get round to looking. And Empathy's really rather buggy even in g-s
[13:01] <BigRedS> mungojerry: which bug's that?
[13:52] <diplo> popey: Can you remind me what you use for that, would like to buy a unit as mine doesn't have any connection options at present
[13:52] <diplo> Using 900watts fairly constantly!
[13:53] <popey> its a currentcost
[13:53] <diplo> thats it ta
[14:21] <issyl0> Hello.
[14:22] <BigRedS> Hello!
[14:25] <Oli> popey: ~1KW seems like loads for daytime idling... what's turned on?
[14:28] <Oli> For comparison we're using ~450Wh for me on my desktop (beefy), 3 4W LED GU10 bulbs in the office, TV et al on standby, standard kitchen jazz and about 20 idling switching power supplies
[14:29] <Oli> And well over half that is this desktop (i7, nvidia card, two 24" ccrd monitors
[14:30] <AlanBell> is it really using that much or is that just what the sticker on the side of the PSU says?
[14:41] <andylockran> hey guys
[14:42] <andylockran> if I run file_get_contents($url) from one server, it works fine - but from another, it generates a 408 timeout
[14:44] <diplo> Nothing in the logs of the second server andylockran ?
[14:45] <andylockran> diplo - from my local machine it works
[14:45] <diplo> /var/log/apache2/error.log or access.log or even messages ?
[14:45] <andylockran> from a client's server, I've done a strace, and it seems to hang and timeout
[14:45] <diplo> yeah so it seems it's an apache(webservice) issue
[14:45] <diplo> ?
[14:45] <diplo> On the client
[14:45] <andylockran> then on the $url - it returns a 408 in that error log
[14:45] <diplo> No other details in the any of the logs ?
[14:46] <KrimZon_2> does anyone know how to get ecryptfs to mount another user's home automatically at login?
[14:46] <diplo> I'm guessing not a public url we could try and reproduce here for you ?
[14:46] <andylockran> it is a public url
[14:46] <KrimZon_2> I can do it manually, but I've no idea how to set that stuff up for ecryptfs to do it automatically at login
[14:47] <andylockran> www.andyloughran.co.uk/test.html
[14:47] <andylockran> it's the clientside php that's failing on the clients server
[14:47] <andylockran> basically, file_get_contents() is timing out, and I've no idea why
[14:47] <andylockran> but can't see a firewall on the machine, but think it's an openvz container, with the host controlled by a third party
[14:48] <andylockran> but the thing that confuses me is that wget works fine, so it only appears to be php that's blocked
[14:48] <AlanBell> release party is all a bit more confirmed now
[14:48] <diplo> That's what I was saying earlier, is to look at clients server logs but I guess you don't have access ?
[14:48] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2006/detail/
[14:48] <andylockran> I have full access at both ends (to the VM)
[14:50] <andylockran> http://pastebin.com/VDPTw3As
[14:50] <andylockran> that's what the strace shows
[14:52] <diplo> Sorry got the wrong end of the stick, i thought you were trying to get http://clientsside/test.html and that wasn't working, not php to test.html on yours
[14:52] <diplo> side=site*
[14:54] <andylockran> ah, ok
[14:54] <diplo> Just thinking now :P
[14:54] <andylockran> yeah, so the client site does some php fopen shizzle to get xml feed & things like google maps
[14:54] <andylockran> and basically my problem is that php is no longer able to access http streams - and I haven't the foggiest why
[14:55] <andylockran> it's still registered streams
[14:55] <diplo> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3488425/php-ini-file-get-contents-external-url
[14:55] <diplo> Could be this ?
[14:56] <diplo> http://www.php.net/manual/en/filesystem.configuration.php#ini.allow-url-fopen
[14:56] <diplo> brb
[14:57] <andylockran> allow_url_fopen = On
[14:57] <andylockran> in both /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini and /etc/php5/cli/php.ini
[14:59] <andylockran> I've checked the UserAgent too.. having no long
[15:01] <andylockran> this is hard :(
[15:01] <diplo> Tried using curl instead ?
[15:01] <BigRedS> is outbound http banned?
[15:01] <BigRedS> we do that
[15:02] <diplo> wget used http as well though and that works i think BigRedS ?
[15:02] <BigRedS> test with telnet or something. Or a lower-level sockety thing in PHP. I don't know how to do that in PHP
[15:02] <andylockran> wget works fine
[15:02] <BigRedS> ah, less likely, though
[15:03] <diplo> Tried fsockopen as well andylockran ?
[15:03] <andylockran> http://dpaste.com/809407/ telnet works <<
[15:03] <SuperMatt> oooh, a release party that I might be able to go to!
[15:03] <SuperMatt> at least maybe for an hour
[15:04] <popey> Oli, laptop, desktop, cable modem, 2xswitch, server, disk array, 2xfridge/freezer, 4xalarm clocks, sip phone, printer, pvr...
[15:05] <diplo> Fridge Freezers + disk array I reckon
[15:06] <diplo> php error logs enabled on the client machine andylockran and set to strict/all ?
[15:06] <diplo> nowt from that ?
[15:07] <popey> oh, slow cooker is on too :)
[15:09] <andylockran> hmm:  BigRedS fsockopen works
[15:09] <andylockran> fopen fails..
[15:10] <andylockran> that's annoying
[15:10] <diplo> Everything i read comes back to allow_url_fopen
[15:11] <diplo> or urlencode ( but i don't think it's that as it's a simple page )
[15:11] <diplo> Checked phpinfo to make it has loaded that setting ?
[15:12] <andylockran> yeah, I've checked it loads and even set it at the top of my script to doubly confirm
[15:12] <diplo> :(
[15:12] <diplo> Very odd
[15:13] <andylockran> yeah
[15:14] <diplo> Have you tried a seperate php file with just the basics in ?
[15:14] <diplo> No other stuff at all
[15:14] <andylockran> yeah, that's how I've been testing it
[15:14] <diplo> oh :(
[15:14] <andylockran> just a simple file_get_contents("www.andyloughran.co.uk/test.html");
[15:14] <diplo> And php error logs are outputting nothing ?
[15:15] <andylockran> they output a php Warning, but php seems to internally timeout
[15:16] <andylockran> http://dpaste.com/809412/
[15:16] <andylockran> there's the script
[15:16] <andylockran> I ran it through strace to see what extra info I could pick up
[15:17] <andylockran> see: http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.file-get-contents.php#106969
[15:18] <diplo> Another thing I keep reading is, don't use file_Get_contents use cURL it's about 20x faster
[15:18] <andylockran> but the strace shows it is sending the Host:
[15:21] <diplo> Hmm, not sure what else to suggest
[15:31] <AlanBell> where do wallpapers live? I had /usr/share/wallpapers in my head but that isn't right
[15:32] <AlanBell> nvm /usr/share/backgrounds
[16:08]  * xnox wants to see a slick high-contrast quetzal origami wallpaper =)
[16:09] <xnox> instead of purple-orange mish-mash =)
[16:15] <BigRedS> It is nice when the desktop background doesn't just look like a dodgy monitor or vga cable
[16:16] <SuperMatt> I'm quite fond of the quantal one
[16:16] <SuperMatt> it's better than the other salads
[16:17] <jacobw> i don't know it isn't just an aubergine background with a white ubuntu logo
[16:17] <jacobw> clean is better for the default look imo
[16:18] <dogmatic69> That new Bloodhound car is mad. F1 engine just to pump the fuel!
[16:18] <SuperMatt> apple was critiised for it's stars background a few years ago, because it was a bit dull
[16:19] <SuperMatt> jobs said basically "you're going to change it, so we didn't want to give you anything you anything amazing"
[16:19] <MartijnVdS> He had bad grammar then?
[16:20] <SuperMatt> that was my bad typing
[16:35] <AlanBell> hmm, an upgrade to precise overwrote the sudoers field :(
[16:40] <AlanBell> hmm bother
[16:40] <popey> no backup?
[16:40] <AlanBell> well it is a minor issue really
[16:40] <AlanBell> it is a KVM guest and I can't get to a grub prompt
[16:41] <AlanBell> can't get into it to hold shift quick enough, it boots too fast
[16:41] <popey> mount the filesystem?
[16:41] <AlanBell> yeah, live cd iso I think
[16:41] <popey> loopback style
[16:41] <popey> no i mean from the host
[16:50] <methuselah> msg nickserv indetify bulling1
[16:50] <AlanBell> yay that worked, thanks popey
[16:50] <AlanBell> http://equivocation.org/node/107 is how to loopback mount a kvm image
[16:51] <AlanBell> you might want to think about a new password methuselah
[16:51] <methuselah> i am a firm believer in the hive account
[16:51] <methuselah> i.e. numerous users using the same account
[16:51] <methuselah> increases attributibility of information in the data-mining era
[16:52] <methuselah> i share my passwords wherever possible
[16:52] <AlanBell> how very web 3.0
[16:52] <methuselah> often shrouding the leak as a mistake
[16:52] <methuselah> thanks for your concern
[16:56] <methuselah> Alan. Maybe we can talk about jquery?
[16:56] <methuselah> and Uncaught RangeError: Maximum call stack size exceeded
[16:56] <methuselah> that is more of an issue for me right now
[17:06] <AlanBell> sounds like you are recursing too deep or something
[17:33] <popey> http://popey.com/house/
[17:33] <popey> oven on.. off.. on.. off..
[17:33] <MartijnVdS> cool
[17:33] <MartijnVdS> well, hot actually
[17:34] <popey> yummy bbq chicken
[17:34] <popey> hope its hot!
[17:47] <davmor2> popey: probably not the oven was off then on then off then on
[17:57] <ging> where do fonts live?
[18:01] <MartijnVdS> ging: in /usr/share/fonts/ of course!
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> ging: or ~/.fonts maybe
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> yes
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> ~/.fonts as well
[18:02] <ging> yay i have fonts
[18:02] <MartijnVdS> grep '<dir>' /etc/fonts/fonts.conf  /etc/fonts/conf.d/* :)
[18:03] <ging> they don't look right though
[18:03] <MartijnVdS> blame popey
[18:03] <popey> yes, do that
[18:03] <ging> it's not his font
[18:04] <popey> What the font!?
[18:06] <ging> it's a font called open dyslexic which is meant to help me make sense
[18:07] <ging> but it didn't work
[18:07] <ging> it's not mono spaced
[18:07] <MartijnVdS> use comic sans ;)
[18:07] <MartijnVdS> I've heard it helps with dyslexia sometimes
[18:13] <directhex> oh, i read about a super dyslexia friendly font today
[18:13] <directhex> where was that?
[18:14] <directhex> http://www.gizmag.com/font-app-dyslexia/24375/
[18:22] <ging> directhex: that was the one i was trying, but it doesn't work well in a terminal because it's not momo spaced
[18:23] <MartijnVdS> momo spaced? http://www.momo-amsterdam.nl/momouk.html
[18:25] <ging> *mono
[18:27] <davmor2> ging: no I think it needs to be mono spaced separately I don't know how far down the line he is with creating it but it looks like a good font for reading
[18:30] <dutchie> o/
[18:34] <Azelphur> http://www.reddit.com/r/fossworldproblems found this, figure folks here will find this amusing :D
[18:35] <MartijnVdS> hahah :) some good ones on there
[18:35] <Azelphur> xD
[18:35] <Azelphur> there was one on there the other day "I'm trying to write a project in python but one library only works in python 2 and the other only works in python 3"
[18:35] <Azelphur> I know that feeling xD
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> "Right in the feels", as they say
[18:44] <Azelphur> indeed
[19:03] <locodir-user> hi
[19:03] <AlanBell> hi
[19:04] <locodir-user> does anyone know how to do yahoo/msn video chat in linux?
[19:04] <AlanBell> pidgin or empathy probably do it
[19:05] <locodir-user> thats great
[19:05] <AlanBell> dunno about video though
[19:05] <AlanBell> google hangouts seem to be the way forward for video
[19:06] <locodir-user> ok
[19:06] <locodir-user> never tried though. I have recently installed linux
[19:06] <AlanBell> excellent
[19:07] <locodir-user> I am not an expert, but sometimes bit frustrated when I cannot use the software i previously used
[19:08] <davmor2> AlanBell: emapthy does video whether it works with windows clients is entirely hit and miss though
[19:08] <AlanBell> yeah, there is loads of new things to ise though
[19:08] <AlanBell> use even
[19:08] <locodir-user> yes indeed
[19:08] <brobostigon> there was an msn client, that several years ago, did msn video, however, i think due to msn protocol changes, that became impossible again.
[19:08] <locodir-user> oh
[19:08] <AlanBell> I don't have any friends that use windows
[19:09] <AlanBell> problem solved \o/
[19:09] <brobostigon> locodir-user: due to the msn protocol being closed, it has had to be reverse engineered.
[19:09] <davmor2> brobostigon: if I am right then it is using the same protocol as facebook and googlechat
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: family then?
[19:09] <brobostigon> davmor2: theose use jabber/xmpp
[19:10] <locodir-user> it is good to have Linux and I am spreading the news. but, it is a bit problematic when u cant use the same services
[19:10] <AlanBell> parents are on ubuntu
[19:10] <davmor2> brobostigon: precisely there was a big hoohar about it a while ago
[19:10] <brobostigon> davmor2: i doub it very much, microsoft, will have choosen to use an open protocol like xmpp.
[19:10] <brobostigon> doubt*
[19:11] <locodir-user> so, gentleman/ ladies, that is the best software i can try to connect with my yahoo/msn messenger friends?
[19:12] <AlanBell> I guess it is like BBN on blackberry or facetime on apple, closed community of users
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> locodir-user: the built-in "empathy" client will do that for you just fine
[19:12] <brobostigon> i agree with MartijnVdS
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> locodir-user: you can configure it by clicking on the envelope in the top bar
[19:12] <locodir-user> thanks everyone
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> and then going online
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> I think
[19:12] <davmor2> brobostigon: http://blog.process-one.net/on_msn_live_messenger_adopting_xmpp/
[19:13] <brobostigon> davmor2: very weird, ok, let me read.
[19:13] <davmor2> brobostigon: there are pages of that on google
[19:13] <brobostigon> davmor2: it is somewhat hard to believe as you can imagine.
[19:16] <davmor2> brobostigon: I think it was an attempt to be able to keep a single client talking on facebook, google and msn all from messenger so MS could keep control of the app to be honest but it still made OS clients more reliable with messenger
[19:17] <jacobw> i really hope they do that
[19:17] <brobostigon> davmor2: question is, what are the xmpp server parameters and details, so i can point bitlbee at it?
[19:18] <locodir-user> I have empathy installed
[19:18] <locodir-user> lets see
[19:18] <davmor2> brobostigon: does this help http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-CA/messengerconnect/thread/b1f0929f-84af-4baf-937a-94d5d8a338b7
[19:19] <brobostigon> davmor2: let me read.
[19:20] <davmor2> brobostigon: the other thing you can do is look at the source for telepathy butterfly iirc that might point you in the right direction
[19:22] <brobostigon> davmor2: agreed, yes, like bitlbee. but if they do use xmpp for msn, then why, does stuff like msn video not work, when within xmpp it works fine? wouldnt you think, they made it interoperable, or xmpp clients could communicate end to end.
[19:22] <locodir-user> hi again everyone- I have installed empathy. but the video call facility is grayed out. any solutions?
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: because those are extensions to XMPP
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> and every vendor made its own extensions
[19:22] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yes, true,
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> yay...
[19:22] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: good point,
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> also, firewall/NAT traversal might not be universal
[19:22] <davmor2> brobostigon: from what I understand it is our codecs no being supported by msn messenger iirc
[19:22] <brobostigon> true.
[19:23] <brobostigon> davmor2: ok, maybe, yes, also.
[19:23] <brobostigon> locodir-user: video for which protocol. ?
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> yes!
[19:23] <davmor2> brobostigon: from what I remember audio works but video was hit and miss
[19:24] <locodir-user> guys, what you are talking about is like GREEK to me (with due respect to Greeks)
[19:24] <locodir-user> i loged into yahoo messenger and trying to ring another user
[19:24] <brobostigon> davmor2: when i last tried, both were non-functyional.
[19:24] <locodir-user> hope, this make sence
[19:24] <locodir-user> i can see the video calling facility
[19:24] <locodir-user> but it is grayes out
[19:24] <locodir-user> grayed out
[19:25] <brobostigon> locodir-user: that says, it is non-supported,
[19:25] <locodir-user> oh
[19:25] <locodir-user> ok
[19:25] <locodir-user> is there any other software that i can use to make video call to yahoo friends?
[19:25] <davmor2> locodir-user: try installing an app called cheese and lets make sure that your linux system is using your webcam correctly
[19:26] <locodir-user> ok
[19:26] <davmor2> locodir-user: cheese is a little app a bit like photobooth so it's all local but will at least let you know if it is working
[19:27] <locodir-user> ok sir
[19:27] <locodir-user> i am doing it now
[19:27] <AlanBell> looks like for videos in Empathy it is Google Talk, MSN , Jabber , and SIP
[19:27] <Silae> Hi
[19:28] <AlanBell> empathy talks lots of chat protocols, all in one client rather than messing about with squillions of them like on windows
[19:28] <locodir-user> yes i can understand
[19:28] <AlanBell> but not all of the protocols support video in a way that anything other than the official client can use
[19:28] <AlanBell> hi Silae
[19:29] <AlanBell> skype and google plus hangouts are what I know to work reliably
[19:29] <AlanBell> but that is mostly because I don't know anyone with an MSN account or whatever
[19:29] <Silae> Is this the correct channel to ask questions concerning issues with ubuntu? (I have taken up Ubuntu in the last 2-3 months)
[19:30] <brobostigon> i know one person with msn, and when i video her, we use skype.
[19:30] <AlanBell> Silae: sure, ask away
[19:33] <Silae> I have dual ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4870s, which I would like to crossfire (using the proprietary drivers) in order to run Guild Wars 2 within Wine, after following this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI, I have ended up in the unfortunate situation that with the xorg.conf that AMD creates, it is displaying the second graphics screen on the monitor rather than the first graphics card
[19:34] <locodir-user> hi all
[19:34] <locodir-user> msn is the same. video call facility is grayedout
[19:34] <Silae> I haven't enable crossfire yet and the second graphics card screen is simply a white screen with an 'x' shaped cursor
[19:35] <brobostigon> locodir-user: did you do as davmor2 suggested, to make sure your camera is properly supported by ubuntu?
[19:35] <locodir-user> yes
[19:35] <locodir-user> i have installed it
[19:36] <brobostigon> locodir-user: does it recognise your cameras properly?
[19:36] <locodir-user> when i open it, i can see myself
[19:36] <brobostigon> locodir-user: thats good, :)
[19:36] <locodir-user> yes
[19:36] <davmor2> locodir-user: okay good so if there is an issue then it is only with the client so we can rule out hardware issues
[19:36] <locodir-user> ok
[19:37] <brobostigon> locodir-user: try a program called amsn, that used to work many years ago, with msn video, that is all i can think of.
[19:37] <davmor2> locodir-user: in software-center type in telepathy-farsight and let me know if it is installed please
[19:37] <locodir-user> ok one sec
[19:38] <locodir-user> no
[19:38] <Silae> just to add clarification I am fairly certain is utilising the second graphics card since at the point of logging in the screen is black but I can type my password and login. However I will be taken to that white desktop, but I can take my mouse to the supposed screen from the first graphics card
[19:38] <davmor2> locodir-user: install that
[19:39] <davmor2> locodir-user: then try a video chat on msn again
[19:39] <locodir-user> ok
[19:39] <Silae> This would be easy to fix if I had a spare monitor unfortunately I am restricted to the monitor from my notebook
[19:40] <davmor2> locodir-user: sorry libtelepathy-farstream not sight
[19:41] <brobostigon> !info libtelepathy-farstream unstable
[19:41] <lubotu3`> Package libtelepathy-farstream does not exist in unstable
[19:41] <brobostigon> !info libtelepathy-farstream
[19:41] <AlanBell> unstable??
[19:41] <lubotu3`> Package libtelepathy-farstream does not exist in precise
[19:41] <brobostigon> AlanBell: debian.
[19:42] <AlanBell> !info libtelepathy-farstream2
[19:42] <lubotu3`> libtelepathy-farstream2 (source: telepathy-farstream): Glue library between telepathy and farstream. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4.0-0ubuntu1 (precise), package size 67 kB, installed size 321 kB
[19:42] <brobostigon> ah.
[19:42] <davmor2> meh I was close
[19:43] <AlanBell> but no cigar
[19:43] <davmor2> I'm not looking
[19:43] <davmor2> I'm going from memory here
[19:43] <brobostigon> davmor2: i just had to check, i didnt know what it was within telepathy.
[19:45] <locodir-user> telpathy is still installing
[19:46] <davmor2> locodir-user: basically, Empathy is a nice frontend (think website) to all the ugly pipework that makes stuff happen.  By default all the text based stuff is installed for the more popular chat clients.  The video pipework might not be
[19:48] <locodir-user> i installed telepathy. same. video/voice call is grayed out
[19:49] <AlanBell> this is with an MSN contact now is it?
[19:49] <locodir-user> yes
[19:50] <AlanBell> I don't even have MSN in the list of accounts I can add, is MSN the same thing as Windows Live?
[19:51] <locodir-user> yes
[19:54] <AlanBell> hmm, looks like it should have been fixed in 2010
[19:56] <locodir-user> do i need to buy a new computer then?
[19:56] <AlanBell> heh, no
[19:56] <locodir-user> ok thanks
[19:57] <AlanBell> bug 519551
[19:57] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 519551 in telepathy-butterfly (Ubuntu) "Video call to/from MS Messenger contact does not work" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/519551
[19:57] <locodir-user> do i have to install the above?
[19:57] <davmor2> locodir-user: so if you go to this https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/libtelepathy-farstream2/ ensure you have that installed by clicking on the available in software-center button if that fails you can try https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/amsn/
[19:58] <AlanBell> dunno, that is just a bug report I am reading through
[19:58] <davmor2> AlanBell: not available in precise (butterfly)
[19:58] <davmor2> AlanBell: I'm assuming it got dropped when msn used xmpp
[19:59] <locodir-user> I am really appreciate for this help everyone.
[19:59] <AlanBell> oh, right
[19:59] <AlanBell> so Microsoft broke it all again as soon as they had fixed it :(
[19:59] <brobostigon> seems so.
[19:59] <davmor2> AlanBell: it is microsoft come on
[20:02] <AlanBell> any canonical folk in the office on Friday?
[20:02] <davmor2> apparently 415 entries in /etc/apt/source.list.d/  makes your system hate update who'd of thunk it
[20:02] <diplo> AlanBell: I've never got msn video to work ever on  linux
[20:03] <davmor2> ah apps.ubuntu.com you are the new way to share applications to new users, now to remember to use it D'oh
[20:04] <davmor2> it's not like I test it works or anything
[20:05] <davmor2> AlanBell: can you try something for what happens if you click on apt://torchlight
[20:06] <AlanBell> terminal really should recognise those links
[20:06] <AlanBell> not found
[20:07] <davmor2> AlanBell: ah you are on quantal right
[20:07] <AlanBell> there isn't a software packages called torchlight in your current software sources
[20:07] <AlanBell> but of course
[20:07] <davmor2> one second then
[20:07] <AlanBell> released software is for other people
[20:09] <davmor2> AlanBell: apt://xchat
[20:10] <davmor2> AlanBell: and out of interest how are you triggering it
[20:11] <AlanBell> paste to firefox url bar
[20:12] <davmor2> man we need to get that fixed
[20:12] <AlanBell> apt://xchat works fine
[20:12] <AlanBell> get what fixed? terminal?
[20:13] <locodir-user> any solution?
[20:13] <AlanBell> bug #1000675
[20:13] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 1000675 in gnome-terminal (Ubuntu) "apt://<package> URLs not recognized as URLs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1000675
[20:14] <davmor2> AlanBell: oh that's nice in xchat is says open in browser and when you click on it USC opens to the page
[20:15] <davmor2> s/says/saying
[20:15] <davmor2> locodir-user: did you try the 2 links I gave you?
[20:16] <AlanBell> locodir-user: you might be able to ask the empathy developers, apparently they hang out in the #empathy channel on the gimpnet irc network which you can get to by clicking the link on this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Empathy
[20:17] <locodir-user> nope
[20:17] <locodir-user> do you want  me to try it
[20:18] <davmor2> locodir-user: the first one should be installed if not install it and try empathy again, if that works great the other is an msn only app that might support video for msn at least
[20:21] <davmor2> locodir-user: the other thing you can do is give me a call from empathy.  davmor2@live.co.uk  that will test open client to open client
[20:22] <locodir-user> firstone is already installed
[20:22] <locodir-user> secondone- i cannot find it in software centre
[20:23] <locodir-user> ok
[20:23] <davmor2> locodir-user: indeed oneiric only
[20:27] <locodir-user> i am happy to give remote access to my desktop if you like, but i dont know how to add u into empathy
[20:28] <diplo> davmor2: It's never worked properly, msn video that is.. I spent many fruitless hours with it
[20:28] <diplo> Just used google vid/skype now adays
[20:30] <locodir-user> there is no facility either on empathy nor telepathy to add a user
[20:30] <davmor2> locodir-user: what's your msn id
[20:31] <locodir-user> biz_cecb@hotmail.com
[20:38] <davmor2> locodir-user: so instant disconnect
[20:40]  * popey tickles AlanBell with bug 1061220 for confirmification
[20:40] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 1061220 in Unity "Panel opacity leaves menu residue" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1061220
[20:41] <AlanBell> where is the panel opacity setting/
[20:41] <AlanBell> and do I want a residue all over the place?
[20:42] <popey> unity plugin -> experimental
[20:42] <popey> :)
[20:42] <popey> set to 0, set to 1 undoes it
[20:42] <AlanBell> hey, that gets rid of the badly implemented and annoying top bar fake shadow too
[20:42] <popey> yeah :D
[20:42] <popey> i thought "ooh! this i could get used to!"
[20:47] <AlanBell> at opacity 0.0100 it is kind of nice, hardly any shadow and no residue
[20:48] <AlanBell> I am expecting the menus to look like the hud/dash at some point
[20:48] <popey> you get what I get though at opacity 0?
[20:48] <AlanBell> yes, I get the same at 0
[20:49] <ahayzen> popey, do you reckon the long term plan is to have panel opacity on as default or not?
[20:49] <popey> no idea
[20:50] <ahayzen> it would be nice... with the maximized window toggle on... just the menus look slightly out of place (not being transparent)
[20:51] <AlanBell> ahayzen: I suspect the panel will match the launcher and menus will drop down like the hud and dash, with the corners blending into the panel like it is all one thing
[20:51] <ahayzen> AlanBell, that would be nice ;)
[20:52] <AlanBell> just like the HUD, but not tied to the left corner
[20:52] <ahayzen> lightdm has a transparent bar doesn't it?
[20:53] <AlanBell> there was a plan to put all kinds of funky widgets in the HUD, not sure what happened to that concept
[20:53] <popey> there was?
[20:53] <ahayzen> I remember seeing that
[20:53] <popey> there were concepts
[20:53] <davmor2> night all
[20:56] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEwiUGMkKVk  do you get that AlanBell
[20:58] <AlanBell> popey: nope
[20:58] <ahayzen> 'He [Mark shows a demo of what the HUD might look like in Ubuntu 12.10, saying  that developers will be able to start ‘wrapping dialog boxes and  toolbars’ in it.'
[20:58] <ahayzen> bah
[20:58] <AlanBell> however, I do get something interesting, alt `` takes me back to where I started
[20:59] <ahayzen> 'He [Mark] shows a demo of what the HUD might look like in Ubuntu 12.10, saying  that developers will be able to start ‘wrapping dialog boxes and  toolbars’ in it.'
[20:59] <ahayzen> http://cloudfront.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/hud.jpg
[20:59] <popey> I have a feeling I took that picture of jono
[20:59] <ahayzen> so i guess that is not happening for 12.10 then?
[20:59] <popey> certainly not
[21:00] <popey> when are the presidential candidates having a chat? soon isnt it?
[21:00] <popey> 9pm eastern
[21:00] <popey> 1am
[21:00] <popey> bah
[21:02] <gord> maaan, more presidents? can't they just have one for a long time so i don't have to pay much attention
[21:07]  * AlanBell files bug 1061229
[21:07] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 1061229 in Unity "alt backtick backtick takes you back to where you started" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1061229
[21:10] <popey> thanks
[21:11] <popey> \o/ 81 tests done
[21:11] <popey>  /o\ 147 to go
[21:12] <bigcalm> I prescribe beer
[21:12]  * popey gets wine
[21:12] <bigcalm> I find I can still code while drinking grain based drinks
[21:12] <bigcalm> Grapes stop me dead
[21:13] <popey> luckily I am not coding
[21:13] <popey> i am being the test monkey
[21:13] <bigcalm> That would drive me to drink
[21:17] <bigcalm> popey: did you enjoy playing edge?
[21:17] <bigcalm> If so, you might enjoy the whole album of music! http://ninomojo.bandcamp.com/album/edge-sweet-music-from-the-game
[21:17] <popey> edge?
[21:17] <bigcalm> :O
[21:17] <bigcalm> Did you buy the Humble Android Bundle?
[21:18] <bigcalm> Oh, silly me. You wouldn't have :|
[21:18] <popey> yeah, i did
[21:18] <bigcalm> Oh, ok :)
[21:18] <popey> i do have an android device
[21:18] <popey> I just think it sucks :)
[21:18] <bigcalm> Edge works in Linux as well as Android
[21:18] <bigcalm> Aaaaaaaaaaaanyway ;)
[21:18] <popey> yeah, not got to it yet
[21:18] <bigcalm> I think you'll like Edge
[21:19] <bigcalm> I likes it a lot for the musics
[21:19] <popey> bah
[21:19] <popey> getting email for someone who thinks he's alan.pope@gmail.com
[21:19] <popey> but he isn't
[21:19] <popey> I am
[21:20] <popey> AlanBell, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5oTjVAf46w
[21:20] <popey> full screen on intel.. slow for you?
[21:20] <AlanBell> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00432J56G/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&smid=A2A3H14I74Y6BA do you think that will work well?
[21:20] <popey> i know someone with one
[21:21] <popey> they're very cheap/crap
[21:21] <popey> and come with windows software
[21:21] <popey> friend managed to brick his very easily
[21:21] <popey> but let me know how you get on :)
[21:21] <AlanBell> hmm, it is cheap
[21:22] <popey> the enclosure is used by many far eastern companies
[21:22] <popey> the guts differ wildly
[21:22] <AlanBell> I believe the talkback speaker is windows IE only
[21:22] <AlanBell> oh, ok I thought they would all be the same
[21:22] <AlanBell> and I was going to see if I could make it battery powered and put it in the chicken house :)
[21:23] <AlanBell> with solar recharging
[21:28] <AlanBell> well for £35 lets have a look at the thing :)
[21:29] <AlanBell> one camera, one bottle of sriarcha and one DVD of Iron Sky on their way :)
[21:29] <popey> yay
[21:29] <popey> can you check that video for me pls?
[21:30] <popey> iron Sky is good fun!
[21:34] <AlanBell> yes, dash full screen is a bit slow, there is lag when not maximised too
[21:34] <AlanBell> bit faster on the small screen where there are less pixels to push
[21:34] <popey> pls confirm
[21:34] <AlanBell> bug #?
[21:34] <bigcalm> I have the blu ray of Iron Sky, yet to watch it though. Hayley doesn't seem interested :(
[21:34] <popey> in the description :)
[21:35] <popey> of the video
[21:35] <popey> i watched prometheus last night, that was fun
[21:35]  * AlanBell reads the description slowly from left to right, then again from right to left
[21:35] <popey> oh
[21:35] <popey> sorry
[21:35]  * AlanBell ponders for a while and stops for a jar of hunny
[21:36] <popey> bah, i didnt file a bug for it
[21:36]  * popey hugs AlanBell 
[21:36] <AlanBell> lol
[21:36] <popey> i made the video, showed some unity devs
[21:37] <popey> they suggested turning off blur
[21:37] <popey> which I did, and it was still pretty slow
[21:37] <popey> :(
[21:37] <popey> didnt file a bug because I felt like nobody considered it an actual bug
[21:37] <popey> which I do, given it's an i7
[21:38] <AlanBell> blur is going to take a bit of computation from the GPU, but I am guessing some of the delay is retrieving the icons to display
[21:39] <popey> that shoudl be cached
[21:39] <popey> if you watch the video its slow every time
[21:39] <popey> the whole lot should be running in cache
[21:39] <popey> given how many times I stabbed it and how little else was happening
[21:44] <AlanBell> jankey
[21:47] <gord> popey, its not cpu limited, its gpu limited. likely bad drivers blocking when they shouldn't when creating certain ogl things like framebuffers
[21:50] <popey> AlanBell, is the music lens broken for you?
[21:50] <popey> i.e. finds no music
[21:50] <AlanBell> it finds Queen
[21:51] <AlanBell> and Abba
[21:51] <AlanBell> is there any other music it is supposed to find?
[21:51] <popey> mine is blank
[21:51] <popey> not finding anything i have
[21:52]  * AlanBell wonders if the twitter logo for the gwibber lens is an authorised use of the trademark
[21:52] <popey> its changed
[21:52] <popey> not using their logo now
[21:52] <AlanBell> oh ok
[21:52] <popey> are you up to date? :)
[21:53] <popey> in which case you may find music search broken when you update
[21:53]  * AlanBell updates
[21:53] <popey> bug 1061278
[21:53] <lubotu3`> Launchpad bug 1061278 in unity-lens-music (Ubuntu) "Music lens finds no music" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1061278
[21:53]  * AlanBell will be cross if there is no Abba in the music lens any more
[21:54] <AlanBell> 312 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[21:54]  * AlanBell purchases name badges for the release party
[21:56] <AlanBell> I do kind of like the shopping lens in practice, the dash is quite good at that
[21:57] <popey> i appear to have an /.rpmdb folder
[21:57] <popey> which is somewhat disconcerting
[22:01] <AlanBell> so do I
[22:02] <AlanBell> used alien?
[22:02] <popey> not that i can recall
[22:02] <AlanBell> I have files in there touched on May 22 and Sep 29 20:58
[22:02] <popey> may 05 and 11 sept
[22:03] <popey> bet there's a manky deb on my system which came from an rpm which was updated on those dates
[22:03] <popey>  /var/log/dpkg.log will reveal all I imagine
[22:06] <gord> trying to read twitter when you don't obesessively watch it is such a pain, its all quite litterally backwards
[22:07] <AlanBell> 2012-05-22 11:45:04 status installed alien 8.86
[22:07] <popey> what else installed that day?
[22:07] <popey> bet its virtualbox or some other 3rd party thing.. skype?
[22:07] <AlanBell> heap of other stuff
[22:07] <popey> it'll be something proprietary I bet
[22:09] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1258989/
[22:11] <AlanBell> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1258991/
[22:28] <czajkowski> aquarius: oi!
[22:32] <brobostigon> nos da everyone, sleep well.
[23:40] <aquarius> czajkowski, oi what?