[00:11] <penguinup> i have a question...
[00:13] <penguinup> why is xubuntu sooo slow?  2ghz cpu with 1.3 gb ram....maybe it would be faster if i had formatted in ext2 ??
[07:44] <cousteau> ok, so how do I replace the xubuntu-logo.plymouth with a xubuntu-text.plymouth?
[08:41] <baizon> cousteau: good question :)
[08:41] <baizon> i would like to know the answer too :)
[08:46] <TheSheep> baizon, cousteau: alternatives maybe?
[08:48] <cousteau> TheSheep, that allows me to select which graphical theme to use and which text one, but not whether to use the graphical or the text one
[08:49] <Sysi> I can't tell which one I have, I never see anything but black :/
[08:50] <TheSheep> cousteau: the /etc/defaults/grub then?
[08:50] <cousteau> maybe
[08:58] <cousteau> hmm, what language are those scripts in?  looks like ecmascript but using "fun" rather than "function"
[09:17] <XRS1> how do i get the update manager to stop pestering me to update this check for obsolete nvidia drivers? i have a radeon.
[09:17] <XRS1> its popped up 3 times in the past 16 minutes telling me there are new updates
[09:26] <baizon> XRS1: remove the drivers :)
[09:27] <XRS1> i dont have any proprietary nvidia drivers installed (unless they come prepackaged in which case i dont know the package name)
[09:54] <baizon> XRS1: well so check it ;)
[09:54] <baizon> nvidia-common you mean?
[10:10] <apm1> baizon, hmm black screen i am on 12.04 on my all 3 laptops and nothing like that has happend to me ?
[10:10] <baizon> apm1: well to the black screen on boot problem... i now added nomodeset to the boot option and will watch if the problem is gone with my ATi :)
[10:11] <baizon> yes i got this since last week or so
[10:11] <apm1> i have 1 intel 1 ati  and 1 nvidia laptop so i can pretty much say about all the 3 gpu s :p
[10:11] <baizon> all my laptops got the same graphics card
[10:11] <baizon> an 6320 mobile
[10:12] <apm1> but on my ati i have seen some HDrive trouble it just freezes at times when i am using it on my lap :(
[10:13] <apm1> but after a few seconds starts responding again like nothing happend ?
[10:13] <apm1> wth
[10:13] <apm1> i guess i am experiencing problem with all that knee movement ;)
[10:13] <baizon> :)
[10:13] <apm1> what's u r guess ?
[10:14] <baizon> cant say :D
[10:14] <baizon> overheating maybe?
[10:14] <baizon> or memory maybe
[10:14] <apm1> well on my lap it reaches 85'C
[10:14] <apm1> memory how ?
[10:14] <apm1> i suspect the HD
[10:15] <baizon> so test both :)
[10:15] <apm1> how?
[10:15] <baizon> memoty with memtest86+
[10:15] <baizon> memory*
[10:15] <apm1> ok and the HD ?
[10:16] <baizon> HD with SMART and fsck
[10:16] <baizon> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/37659/the-beginners-guide-to-linux-disk-utilities/
[10:16] <baizon> and badblocks
[10:16] <apm1> ook
[10:18] <apm1> will gnome disk-utility work on xubuntu ?
[10:19] <baizon> sure
[10:20] <apm1> installed
[10:20] <apm1> actually in the past rhythmbox has messed my audio so i am a little skeptical about gnome apps :(
[10:23] <baizon> clementine (QT) rocks or Exaile (GTK) :) this are my recommendations
[10:24] <apm1> ok
[10:24] <apm1> gotta reboot now , brb
[11:01] <martinphone> im on xubuntu, to use phoenix I need twisted, what is the exact name of the package (repo) I need? none fits it exactly , twisted-conch?
[11:02] <martinphone> phoenix is to mine bitcoins
[11:03] <baizon> martinphone: https://launchpad.net/~twisted-dev/+archive/ppa
[11:03] <baizon> there you have a package called twisted
[11:04] <apm1> pardon me but that is an unusual name "twisted "  ;p
[11:07] <martinphone> thx for that baizon
[11:07] <baizon> np
[11:11] <martinphone> does launchpad have a search bar addon like tpb?
[11:14] <baizon> martinphone: you mean this?
[11:14] <baizon> https://launchpad.net/firefox-launchpad-plugin
[11:14] <recon_lap> never got this message before when updating "Requires installation of untrusted packages" -> jockey-common jockey-gtk nvidia-common , and i have Intel HD4000 graphics?
[11:14] <tabby_cat> are the changes expected in 12.10 published somewhere?
[11:15] <recon_lap> gets tinfoil had out :)
[11:15] <martinphone> thx again, i was googling already
[11:15] <recon_lap> hat*
[11:28] <recon_lap> also the update does not start, so I would guess all updates are blocked
[12:10] <martinphone> i like tinfoil hats, they help to avoid cia tracking :D
[12:11] <knome> martinphone, how is that ontopic?
[12:12] <martinphone> i was trying to take a laugh with recon_lap
[12:12] <Mathias> knome: he used up our quota of nonsense :\
[12:14] <apm1> recon_lap, tin hat ? aliens , do i need to get my baseball bat ? :p
[12:15] <knome> please take it to #xubuntu-offtopic.
[12:15] <apm1> knome, sorry it was a one off :p
[12:16] <knome> one off after noticing other people being offtopic
[12:16] <apm1> kinda yes
[13:01] <craigbass1976> This one's been bugging me for a while... I installed Epiphany for using when I want fresh google results (as opposed to the search bubble they've got folks in now) and I can't see any text in the address bar.  It's there but it's white I guess and I can't figure out how to change it.
[13:03] <TheSheep> craigbass1976: try using a gtk theme that supports gtk3
[13:03] <GridCube> ^^^^^
[13:19] <craigbass1976> TheSheep, heh...  That was retarded on my part.  Thanks.
[13:23] <craigbass1976> One more...  I've also got xubuntu running on an ibook G4.  Is there any way to get XFCE to remember where I had my brightness settings when I shut down?  Trying to get this thing to last through two school board meetings might work if I can keep it dim, but I forget to check sometimes.
[13:25] <n2diy> I have a file that doesn't appear in filezilla, so I can't upload it? I can list it with ls, and see it in thunar, put not filezilla?
[13:25] <GridCube> craigbass1976, how do you change the brightness?
[13:26] <GridCube> and you might want to check the "remember session" check box when you shutdownk, that might help.
[13:26] <craigbass1976> Alt+F1 a bunch.  One too many and it shuts the screen off. Alt+F2 makes it brighter
[13:26] <GridCube> n2diy, it starts with .?
[13:27] <n2diy> Hi gridcube, no, it's a regular gnumeric file.
[13:27] <craigbass1976> GridCube, that wouldn't show up with a plain ole ls though would it?
[13:27] <GridCube> craigbass1976, no, probably wont
[13:27] <GridCube> n2diy, are you sure you are in the correct directories on filezilla?
[13:28] <GridCube> and refreshed the list?
[13:31] <n2diy> GridCube, ,yes, I found it. The files in the directory are listed alpahbetically, sort of. A-Z, and then another group A-Z, it was in the second group!?
[13:32] <craigbass1976> n2diy, it's always something dumb...
[13:32] <GridCube> n2diy, some are starting with capital letter and some oters with low caps
[13:32] <GridCube> small caps? i dont know how to say that in english
[13:33] <recon_lap> GridCube: lower case
[13:33] <GridCube> craigbass1976, difference between upper case and lower case (thanks recon_lap ) its very important
[13:34] <n2diy> GridCube, yes.
[13:34] <GridCube> many, many mistakes can come from disregarding them
[13:34] <n2diy> craigbass1976, yes, but something is weird, I think GridCube is on to it.
[13:35] <GridCube> n2diy, no thats just it, upper case and lower case are different kind of characters and go separadetly, the file File is different form the file file and from the fIlE or FiLE, and so on
[13:35] <craigbass1976> Maybe simple was the better word.
[13:36] <n2diy> GridCube, so A-Z are listed, and then a-z?
[13:36] <GridCube> yes
[13:36] <GridCube> and before that numbers
[13:36] <n2diy> GridCube, ok, makes sense now.
[13:36] <n2diy> thanks
[13:37] <GridCube> :) no problem
[13:37] <n2diy> been using linux for 11 year and I just learned that!?
[13:37] <GridCube> D:
[13:37] <smartboyhw> ;D
[13:37] <GridCube> thats the very first thing i ever learned, LS would not work, because its ls
[14:28] <xubuntu434> xubuntu da bomb
[14:29] <GridCube> :D awesome
[14:29] <smartboyhw> ;D
[15:37] <dav-> hi - I'm trying to work out of a usb stick with a casper-rw partition (xubuntu 12.04 32). I'm adding a user with an ecrypted home and it cannot login: Mount of device (uid: 0) not owned by requested user (uid: 1000) [I googled for this and the permissions in the ecrypt folder are correct so it's not the same problem others had with this error message]. Any thoughts?
[15:39] <holstein> whats the goal? i would probably just do a normal install to the USB stick and encrypt the home
[15:45] <dav-> holstein: the goal is to carry this stick with a full fledged OS + ecrypted home around the world instead of lugging around a laptop
[15:45] <holstein> good luck with that.. i might just start with an actual install instead of a live stick
[15:46] <dav-> holstein: any rationale? what's wrong with the live stick?
[15:46] <holstein> dav-: i dont need a live stick, so i dont use it.. i need an install on a stick.. and i can do that.. i can put grub right on the stick
[15:46] <recon_lap> dav-: have you tried booting to a install CD , then installing to the USB?
[15:47] <holstein> i find it easier than hacking at the live usb trying to make it into an install.. then i get a proper file system... i can choose to not have swap
[15:47] <holstein> i can run updates, or whatever else easily too
[15:47] <dav-> ok I will try that
[15:47] <dav-> can run updates on livestick with casper..
[15:48] <holstein> dav-: i had issues.. i dont as a normal install
[15:48] <holstein> dav-: if it works for you .. go for it.. if you are here because its not working for you, then try the install
[15:48] <dav-> side question: what's the minimum size you would allocate for /
[15:48] <dav-> ?
[15:48] <dav-> 3G ?
[15:50] <GridCube> should work
[15:50] <GridCube> more is better
[15:50] <dav-> more means less for /home..
[15:51] <GridCube> /home is kind of irrelevant when you use cloudstorage
[15:51]  * GridCube just saying
[15:51] <holstein> if i had a 4g stick, i would just install to it.. no swap
[15:52] <dav-> it's a 32Gb stick. I think I'll go with 4G for the home. I'll have to find a way to set-up tmpfs too..
[15:52] <dav-> and yes, no swap.
[15:53] <dav-> is there something I need to do at install time for Grub to go to the USB stick instead of the harddrive?
[15:53] <holstein> dav-: i would want the laternat installer iso
[15:53] <dav-> and GridCube, what service are you using for cloud stuff?
[15:53] <holstein> alternat*
[15:53] <GridCube> google drive and 4shared
[15:53] <holstein> alternate**
[15:53] <dav-> holstein: ah ok. lemme download that.
[15:53] <GridCube> does the works
[15:53] <dav-> GridCube: thought google drive didn't yet mount well on linux
[15:54] <GridCube> nope, through browser
[15:54] <dav-> GridCube: oh that's convenient :)
[15:54] <dav-> GridCube: might as well get a chromebook
[15:54] <GridCube> but then again using the google docs is very helpful, for work and for lots of things
[15:55] <holstein> i get netbooks.. they are cheap used and have great batteries.. after the portable usb stick failed on a few machines, i gave up on depending on it
[15:55] <recon_lap> dav-: and let us know how you get on :)
[15:56] <dav-> recon_lap: downloading alternate now
[15:56]  * GridCube netbook's batery lasts 20 minutes, tops
[15:56] <holstein> :/ .. mine gets over 6 hours typically
[15:57] <dav-> having to purchase a netbook doesn't qualify as a solution to the posed problem ;-)
[15:57] <GridCube> :P
[15:58] <dav-> will the alternate very clearly give me the option to install grub on the stick? I'm on someone else's laptop and can't afford to mess up their HDD
[15:58] <holstein> the stick didnt work for me.. your at a hotel.. then have a particular per-machine network config... or you show up at your friends place "can i reboot your machine??".. sure, and the bios has some odd password
[15:59] <holstein> the stick didnt work for me in a dependable way.. i cant "expect" the host to work.. my netbook always works. but thats just me
[16:00] <holstein> dav-: theres a step toward the end... you can always *not* install it and do it later to be sure
[16:00] <dav-> I have an android phone + tablet. I generally don't *need* a computer. The USB stick is just to "have one" once in a while..
[16:00] <GridCube> you can have a qemu live session that you could run from any windows/most linux setups you could find
[16:01] <holstein> yup.. that might work easier.. but you still need to install something on the host, and that failed for me a few times too
[16:01] <Sysi> having portable linux is one thing, having encrypted home folder on it is different
[16:02] <dav-> Sysi: huh? How so?
[16:03] <Sysi> even if I keeped sensitive data on stick like that I'd consider using just some encrypted folder
[16:04] <Sysi> do you even need separate partition for home?
[16:04] <Sysi> I think you could encrypt it without that too
[16:04] <dav-> Sysi: ecrypted home folder is pretty much just that...
[16:05] <holstein> yeah.. something like truecrypt for the data? maybe.. keep the install simple
[16:05] <dav-> Sysi: I'm not encrypting the partition, just using the standard 'secure home' feature..
[16:07] <Sysi> yeah sorry, I confused myself a bit
[16:12] <dav-> ok
[16:12] <dav-> the stick is ready, i'm rebooting. tty guys later.
[16:34] <dav-> victory!
[16:35] <dav-> onlything is 4Gb for / is on the tight side
[16:35] <recon_lap> good work, was it as simple as just installing from the CS to the usb?
[16:36] <dav-> only have 1.4Gb available now
[16:36] <recon_lap> CD*
[16:36] <dav-> well I was going from stick to stick but yes
[16:36] <dav-> the alternate installer did prompt me on where to install grub to
[16:37] <recon_lap> good to know :) to many people just disappear and never let us know if they fixed their problem and how
[16:38] <dav-> I would never ;)
[16:39] <dav-> one thing I'm a bit worried of is the way grub stored partition names. When I plug my stick somewhere else, if grub runs it could mess up the local system..
[16:39] <GridCube> no
[16:39] <Sysi> !uuid
[16:40] <GridCube> if you run "update-grub" you would mess things up
[16:40] <Sysi> grub should use those
[16:40] <dav-> GridCube: doesn't update-grub get run if the grub package gets updated?
[16:41] <dav-> (or the kernel)
[16:41] <GridCube> dont update grub, or kernels
[16:41] <holstein> !grub
[16:42] <holstein> should explain how to "fix" it though.. if something bad happens
[16:46] <dav-> set root='(hd1,msdos1)' search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set=root cf6dbd26-df38-4105-b125-a4b1dcfa3b7e linux   /boot/vmlinuz-3.2.0-31-generic root=UUID=cf6dbd26-df38-4105-b125-a4b1dcfa3b7e ro   quiet splash $vt_handoff
[16:46] <dav-> the UUIDs look good
[16:46] <dav-> but the '(hd1,msdos)' is worrysome
[16:47] <dav-> no?
[16:47] <GridCube> yes
[16:47] <GridCube> thats bad
[16:47] <GridCube> unless you boot from usb and it takes that as hd1
[16:47] <GridCube> dunno how that works
[16:47] <GridCube> uuid should be better
[16:48] <dav-> but root=UUID might take precedence over 'set root' ?
[16:50] <GridCube> dunno
[16:50] <GridCube> dav-, :) why dont you ask at #grub?
[16:52] <dav-> hmmmm I'm thinking. it's only grub-install that messes with the mbr
[16:52] <dav-> and grub-install doesn't run every time!
[16:52] <dav-> right?
[16:53] <holstein> dav-: i wouldnt run "update grub" with a hard drive that is not going to be there *all* the time
[16:53] <holstein> dav-: you can always refer to that linnk and "fix" it.. if something breaks
[16:54] <holstein> dav-: i would probably just pin the kernel though, and likely wouldnt be upgrading a lot, since you might just spend most of the time that OS is in use running upgrades
[16:54] <dav-> holstein: but a kernel upgrade shouldn't affect the mbr either? grub is dynamic enough that it just looks up the configs no?
[16:55] <holstein> hardware fix.. boot on a machine that has no hard drives.. update kernels and grub
[16:55] <holstein> dav-: a kernel update runs update-grub.. to update grub to see it
[16:56] <dav-> holstein: yes but update-grub doesn't touch the mbr, just the config file which is on the filesystem and has a bunch of UUIDs in it
[16:56] <dav-> holstein: so I think this works?
[16:56] <holstein> dav-: it "touches" grub.. wher ever that is
[16:57] <holstein> dav-: all it takes is an entry in grub that says something about the internal hard drive.. then, when that hard drive is not there.. grub will hang. in my experience
[16:57] <dav-> holstein: what makes you think that? I don't even think there's a config file that saves which device it should be installing grub on
[16:58] <holstein> dav-: try it.. you dont break anything permanently.. you can alway fix it
[16:58] <dav-> I'm ok with grub hanging. I just don't want to touch my host's harddrive
[16:58] <holstein> dav-: its not an issue of touching the hard drive.. its the hard drive that gets "added" to grub
[16:58] <dav-> my first and foremost priority is to not touch my hosts's HDD
[16:58] <holstein> dav-: when you go to another machine, that hard drive wont be there
[16:59] <dav-> yes I can live with that
[16:59] <dav-> even if that messes up my system, as long as it doesn't touch theirs.
[16:59] <holstein> it would be like, when i have seen folks (and this has happened to me) having a usb hard drive plugged in during install
[16:59] <holstein> grub "sees" that drive, and its added.. when its not present at boot, grub gets "upset"
[17:00] <holstein> dav-: this might not be the case with the USB installs now.. its just something to be aware of
[17:00] <dav-> yep. thanks.
[17:00] <holstein> dav-: the internal hard drives will need to be mounted
[17:01] <holstein> dav-: worst case, you are on a host, and the kernel panics during boot (which has happened to me) and you force power off, permanently damaging the hard drve
[17:01] <holstein> drive*
[17:04] <dav-> brb
[17:04] <holstein> dav-: something else to consider having "in your bag".. http://www.plop.at/ for those legacy machines that dont boot USB.. might work on apple machines as well, i havent tried
[17:11] <david> quite interesting: when I used tmpfs for /tmp, couldn't log in graphically.
[17:12] <tsimpson> there's a reason we all moved away from tmpfs for /tmp
[17:12] <dav-> fstab entry: none /tmp tmpfs nosuid,size=10%,mode=755 0 0
[17:12] <dav-> tsimpson: I'm running on a usb stick. what else should I be using?
[17:13] <tsimpson> generally nothing
[17:13] <dav-> tsimpson: isn't that bad for the sd card?
[17:14] <tsimpson> it's not great for it
[17:14] <tsimpson> but, you can make that same argument for /var
[17:15] <dav-> var wants to persist from 1 boot to the next..
[17:15] <tsimpson> not /var/tmp
[17:16] <dav-> anyway, why did we move away from tmpfs?
[17:16] <tsimpson> or /var/run, etc
[17:17] <tsimpson> there are some things that really don't like being on a tempfs, (look elsewhere for technical reasons)
[17:17] <tsimpson> (... because I don't know them)
[17:19] <dav-> huh oh
[17:19] <dav-> [  404.050544] EXT2-fs (sdb1): error: ext2_check_page: bad entry in directory #11: : rec_len is smaller than minimal - offset=4096, inode=0, rec_len=0, name_len=0
[17:19] <dav-> [  404.050553] EXT2-fs (sdb1): error: remounting filesystem read-only
[17:20] <dav-> [  404.050557] EXT2-fs (sdb1): error: ext2_readdir: bad page in #11
[17:20] <dav-> grrrrrrr
[17:22] <rainfyre> Can someone shoot me a torrent download link for the current xubuntu? Thank you thank you
[17:23] <genii-around> http://xubuntu.org/getxubuntu/
[17:23] <genii-around> Sorry, not torrent
[17:23] <rainfyre> Thanks :)
[17:23] <rainfyre> No worries, I got it
[18:00] <blackgatonegro> how i update the software keys in Xubuntu? I am getting some "Unauthenticated software sources" errors
[18:06] <recon_lap> blackgatonegro: it's not just me then
[18:06] <holstein> blackgatonegro: link your sources? share the error output on sudo apt-get update
[18:12] <blackgatonegro> Possible solutions: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1258562/
[18:14] <blackgatonegro> recon_lap, I fixed the problem following this http://paste.ubuntu.com/1258562/
[18:14] <recon_lap> blackgatonegro: thx, I'll give it a try later
[18:52] <Mathias> is there a place i can download the xubuntu desktop background?
[18:53] <holstein> Mathias: you can always just grab it from a live CD
[18:54] <Mathias> where is it on the live cd?
[18:55] <Unit193> https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-artwork usr xfce4 backdrops
[19:00] <Mathias> thanks! :D
[19:00] <Mathias> i'm on slow network so googling isn't easy :P
[20:34] <griff> Hello!
[20:35] <griff> anyone there?
[20:36] <Unit193> !hi
[20:38] <griff> Question! haha
[20:39] <griff> I was hoping to find some assistance with the Linux OS, Xubuntu?
[20:40] <SkippersBoss> griff, u need to be more specific
[20:41] <SkippersBoss> !details
[20:41] <SkippersBoss> There are plenty people about but some will only react if they feel that they can assist you with a specific problem