[00:24]  * micahg goes and uploads kaffeine to precise-proposed
[00:26] <micahg> do you keep stable release branches for kubuntu packages?
[00:27] <micahg> or can I just base off of LP and upload?
[02:32] <JontheEchidna> any idea how the most recent Qt upload marked bug 744812 as fixed?
[02:33] <JontheEchidna> (For the Quantal task for qt4-x11)
[03:21] <tsimpson> JontheEchidna: looks like 4:4.8.3+dfsg-0ubuntu2 actually contained the fix https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+changelog
[03:22] <JontheEchidna> oh, it's the -proposed playing tricks
[03:22] <JontheEchidna> thanks, makes sense
[03:23] <JontheEchidna> back to integration by parts
[03:39] <ScottK> micahg: No.  Just base of the archive and upload.
[03:41] <ScottK> Riddell: So.  It looks like you have to copy from release back to proposed (which then picks up the added binaries) and copy to release again.
[03:41] <ScottK> Trying that now.
[03:47] <ScottK> Nope.
[03:47] <ScottK> Riddell: Hit an LP bug.  You'll need to reupload the ones that weren't finished.
[03:57] <wgrant> Bug #1061374 for the record
[03:58] <tsimpson> bug #1061372 just reported in #kde btw
[04:33] <micahg> ScottK: should I bother removing the Vcs-*?
[04:33] <ScottK> No
[04:47] <micahg> ScottK: done
[04:48] <ScottK> OK.
[04:48]  * ScottK is just going to sleep.
[04:48] <ScottK> Will try to look tomorrow.
[05:23] <GirlyGIrl> Anyone seen littlegirl lately?
[08:54] <debfx> Riddell: what's up with this change:
[08:54] <debfx> -Breaks: kde-wallpapers (<< 4:4.9.1-0ubuntu2~),
[08:54] <debfx> +Breaks: kde-wallpapers (<< 4:4.9.2-0ubuntu2~),
[08:55] <debfx> I don't see any file movement in kde-wallpapers from .1 to .2
[09:18] <Riddell> debfx: hum, did I do that?
[09:19] <debfx> yes
[09:21] <Riddell> i don't remember so, I must have been sleepwalking
[09:29] <Riddell> debfx: oh it must have been an over-enthusiastic sed command that was met to update the build-deps
[09:58] <jussi> shadeslayer: ping?
[10:20] <Riddell> ScottK: seems like everything in 4.9.2 is compiled?
[11:30] <Riddell> Darkwing, apachelogger, ScottK, jussi, JontheEchidna: we've been invited to the community council meeting in 5.5 hours
[11:30] <jussi> ooh, thats today...
[11:30] <jussi> Ill try get there
[11:31] <jussi> For all those who havent got one yet: http://lpapp.blogspot.ie/2012/09/reminder-from-randa-free-playbook-for.html
[11:35] <Riddell> are they useful?
[11:36] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1054372] Muon crashed afted new repository added @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1054372 (by BakLAN)
[11:37] <jussi> Riddell: given RIM are investing in Qt, possibly
[11:39] <Riddell> wow, we've been waiting since Mon Aug 20 16:55:59 2012 for our website to get a bzr pull from sysadmins, there's an obvious thing to moan about at the community council meeting
[11:40] <Riddell> https://rt.ubuntu.com//Ticket/Display.html?id=20296
[11:41]  * ryanakca grins
[11:44] <Riddell> http://blogs.kde.org/2012/10/04/its-beta
[11:51] <jussi> cool
[11:51] <jussi> Riddell: did I read correct that we changed default settigns to not include cube any more? 
[11:52] <tsdgeos> Riddell: well the ticket has no owner...
[11:58] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:20] <Riddell> tsdgeos: surely that's for the sysadmins to set?
[12:20] <Riddell> jussi: only 1 desktop, not much of a cube with only 1 side
[12:21] <jussi> Riddell: is the a reason we dont have more than 1 ?
[12:22] <Riddell> jussi: upstream defaults, upstream likes to use activities instead
[12:24] <jussi> Riddell: is that what our users actually want though? Ì mean, is it not the point of Kubuntu that we ship "sane" defaults for our users (not saying upstream defaults arent sane, just that are they sane for our userbase)
[12:26] <Riddell> jussi: well hard to say and it's a shame mgrasslin pointed out issues in our kwin settings late in our cycle but that's hardly his fault
[12:26] <Riddell> having both activities and virtual desktops seems pretty daft though, they're mostly the same thing
[12:27] <jussi> Riddell: yeah, i know, but most people have no idea how activites work, and many really like their cube...
[12:27] <agateau> http://community.kde.org/Plasma/Workspace_Sprint/ActivitiesAndVirtualDesktops
[12:28] <tsimpson> wasn't the default only 2 desktops?
[12:29] <Riddell> tsdgeos: yes
[12:29]  * Riddell wonders why yofel_, Quintasan and bulldog98_ always come online together each day
[12:33] <yofel_> Riddell: because they use my quasselcore
[12:48] <Riddell> tsimpson rather
[13:26] <afiestas> hey
[13:26] <afiestas> we should take more care of the screenshots we put in the announcements
[13:26] <afiestas> after all, those are our first visit card to people using other distros
[13:27] <afiestas> I know it is a wiki and I could modify then but I don't think that's the point, maybe we should have a announcement team or something like that
[13:27] <afiestas> to take care of this
[13:27] <afiestas> let me point out a few issues: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/QuantalQuetzal/Beta2/Kubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=desktop.png
[13:27] <afiestas> even though composite is ON, there is a rendering issue I believe in the bottom-left
[13:28] <afiestas> also showing scrollbars in rekonq (specially the horiz one) is not cute
[13:28] <afiestas> and well, the "you have additional software" thing, is breaking the "whiteness" of the systray
[13:28] <afiestas> oh, and there is a weird ABC thing right to the clock, ppl may think that's there by default
[13:29] <afiestas> KRITA and KExi one are awesome, 0 comments there :p
[13:29] <afiestas> lightDM-KDE screenshot is not linking to a "full size" version of it, it should
[13:30] <afiestas> and the more wider the better so people can see how it will look in a real resolution (16:9 or similar)
[13:30] <afiestas> KTp screenshot is done without compositing, with the filter on which clutters the interface
[13:30] <afiestas> skanlite is not scanning anything
[13:31] <afiestas> Kamoso one is not that bad, but there are 3 thumbnails of pic's that were not taken using Kamoso
[13:32] <afiestas> owncloud screenshot has at least 4 tabs that are not related to owncloud, and the bookmark toolbar contains a bookmark that's not default
[13:32] <afiestas> colord screenshot is not linking to a "full size" version
[13:32] <afiestas> the gtk-config.png"is showing the new gtk configuration together with the old one
[13:33] <afiestas> (I wonder if that would happen if i update to quantal)
[13:33] <afiestas> The Kontact one is not linking to a full-size version of it, and it is using the most ugly style ever
[13:34] <afiestas> finally, kubuntu active screenshot is not linking to a full size one, and it is showing a window
[13:34] <afiestas> I think we reverted that, and now Kubuntu active is doign fullscreen by default
[13:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can I get the dimensions for the stickers?
[13:40] <afiestas> lol
[13:40] <afiestas> Report a bug in launchpad redirect to a wiki
[13:40] <afiestas> scary
[13:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: and can we not get the stickers with this http://i.imgur.com/m5RN8.png
[13:40] <afiestas> to fill a bug about "kwin doesn't composite by default" where should I do it?
[13:40] <afiestas> kwin package?
[13:41] <shadeslayer> afiestas: kde-workspace
[13:42] <afiestas> shadeslayer: where do I find it? 
[13:43] <shadeslayer> lp 101, to file bug against a specific package use :
[13:43] <shadeslayer> http://pad.lv/fb/kde-workspace
[13:43] <tsimpson> or use ubuntu-bug
[13:43] <shadeslayer> or that :P
[13:43] <shadeslayer> interestingly that link does not work for some weird reason
[13:43] <afiestas> :s
[13:43] <shadeslayer> oh I know
[13:43] <shadeslayer> http://pad.lv/fb/u/kde-workspace
[13:43] <afiestas> itis utter super complicated to report a bug
[13:44] <afiestas> last time with kdepim Riddell had to help me
[13:44] <tsimpson> afiestas: "ubuntu-bug kwin"
[13:44] <afiestas> well, I guess I'm utter stupid as well xd
[13:44] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1046244] plasma-desktop crashes with SIGFAULT on boot @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1046244 (by Francesco Ruvolo)
[13:44] <afiestas> tsimpson: that doesn't work in archlinux (currently installing kubuntu in my laptop to test the beta2 cd)
[13:45] <tsimpson> ok, you can construct the URL yourself, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+filebug
[13:45]  * tsimpson clicks to make sure
[13:45] <tsimpson> woo, I was right
[13:46] <shadeslayer> sure, but that's too long to type out :P
[13:46] <shadeslayer> pad.lv ftw
[13:46] <tsimpson> as long as you remember how pad.lv works, which I never do
[13:48] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yeah would be cool to use that quatzal image
[13:48] <shadeslayer> yah
[13:49] <shadeslayer> something like that quetzal image and then "kubuntu" below the text
[13:50] <Riddell> shadeslayer: like this? starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/Kubuntu-quantal-quetzal.svg
[13:50] <shadeslayer> that's a 403
[13:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: try now
[13:51] <shadeslayer> yah that works
[13:51] <shadeslayer> ok
[13:51] <yofel_> afiestas: if "Report bug" ever redirects you to the bug reporting wiki append '?no-redirect' to the URL (the wiki page does say that though ;) )
[13:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: that kubuntu logo will most likely not appear well on the sticker
[13:51] <afiestas> yofel: are users supposed to know that? because that sounds kinda hackish
[13:52] <yofel> "users" are supposed to use apport or read the wiki. The redirect is disabled for devs
[13:52] <Riddell> afiestas: good points on the images, will poke claydoh or mparillo about them when they appear
[13:55] <afiestas> ubuntu has a bigger barried to report a bug than kde does, interesting
[13:55] <afiestas> I sometimes wonder if users should get this "easy access" to kde bugzilla
[13:55] <afiestas> or if instead they should pass first through forums.kde.org or a places like that
[13:55] <yofel> well, the amount of crap reports went down considerably once that redirect was implemented
[13:56] <Riddell> it's a problem without an ideal solution I think, you never know if a user will be a good bug reporter or not
[13:56] <yofel> the bugzilla bug filing form is sane. The launchpad form is far too simple, so it's easy to report "Doesn't work" and be done.
[13:57] <afiestas> if I didn't knew you, IU can tell you I woudln't have reported the last bugs
[13:57] <afiestas> but well, I'm the most lazy user out there
[13:58] <afiestas> the installer seems stuck, it's been in the "Time zone selection" for 30min
[13:58] <afiestas> process using 100% of a cpu
[13:58] <afiestas> is there any log I can give to you before trying again?
[13:58] <Riddell> /var/log/installer/debug
[13:59] <tsimpson> afiestas: the wiki actually tells you about ?no-redirect btw
[13:59] <afiestas> tsimpson: I said I'm lazy... I'm not going to read that wiki xD
[13:59] <afiestas> actually first I discarted it because it was full of Ubuntu screenshots with unity
[14:00] <afiestas> then I got redirected again, and I took a closer look andI saw blabalbal Kubuntu here
[14:00] <afiestas> (here was the link)
[14:00] <afiestas> clicked there, saw another big page full of letters and images, and decided to ask here
[14:00] <tsimpson> then you read past the "Using Kubuntu?" part ;)
[14:00] <afiestas> http://paste.kde.org/562100/
[14:01] <tsimpson> and the ?no-redirect is just under the last image
[14:01] <tsimpson> though I don't blame you for not wanting to read all of it, just to report a bug
[14:01] <Riddell> hum nothing relevant i there, xnox any ideas on afiestas's installer issue?
[14:02] <afiestas> I clicked on "I want third party software" and "update" and selected Spanish as the lang
[14:02] <afiestas> in case that matters
[14:03] <afiestas> going to kill it and try again, this time I will execute it from the terminal
[14:04] <afiestas> restartng ubiquity didn't worked, rebooting
[14:04] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[14:05] <afiestas> it said something like "error sci 0.0 blabalbal"
[14:05] <shadeslayer> it's odd how everything seems to crap out around afiestas :P
[14:05] <yofel> good tester ;)
[14:05] <afiestas> I like to be annoying xD
[14:06] <shadeslayer> I've never had a issue with the installer in the last 3 years :P
[14:06] <shadeslayer> except the one time that it crashed when I pressed the x button when it was downloading updates
[14:06] <afiestas> mayeb coz you always do the same path?
[14:06] <shadeslayer> ( the x button next to the progress bar )
[14:07] <shadeslayer> same path?
[14:07] <afiestas> you always select the same options, and click buttons at the same time
[14:07] <shadeslayer> maybe
[14:07] <afiestas> for example before (and now again to try to reproduce it) I'm waiting until the "copying files" finishes to select my timezone
[14:07] <xnox> afiestas: /var/log/syslog is useful as well. installer logs important bits there.
[14:07] <afiestas> I usually don't do that, but now (and the time before) did it for testing
[14:08] <shadeslayer> ah
[14:08] <afiestas> xnox: ups, restarted already, will paste in case I can reproduce it again
[14:10] <afiestas> now ti worked (the installed passed to the keyboard layout selection)
[14:11] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1061614] KWin should enable compositing by default @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1061614 (by Alex Fiestas)
[14:21] <jovin> by default txt files are opened with libreoffice writer... should be changed to kate 
[14:23] <Quintasan> I AM SO DUMB
[14:23] <Quintasan> router was turned off
[14:23] <Quintasan> and I'm like WHY NO INTERNET
[14:23] <Quintasan> WTF
[14:23] <jovin> xD
[14:23] <BluesKaj> jovin, if you wish , kate is normally the default for text files
[14:23] <yofel> haha
[14:24] <Quintasan> No, seriously
[14:24] <jovin> BluesKaj, i did a fresh install of kubuntu beta 2 and didnt touch anything 
[14:27] <BluesKaj> jovin, well right click on a text file , open with 'other' , choose utilities>kate , check 'Remember application....'
[14:28] <jovin> BluesKaj, yeah :p but dont think that its intended that way
[14:30] <BluesKaj> if the text file was written in libre office then I would understand , it's just a glitch , jovin , don't get hung up on it 
[14:32] <BluesKaj> for example the terminal default prompt was opening at ~/Documents for some reason , and I had to change it back to ~/ in settings>profile>initial dir
[15:21] <afiestas> xnox: Riddell http://paste.kde.org/562148/ and http://paste.kde.org/562154
[15:21] <afiestas> this time it got stuck at 93%
[15:22] <afiestas> "Copying register of installation" or somethiung like that (trasnalted from spanish)
[15:22] <afiestas> using 100% of one cpu
[15:23] <shadeslayer> stupid question, what's the CMake command to include dbus headers?
[15:25] <shadeslayer> I'm certain kde-workspace ships a FindDbus.cmake
[15:27] <shadeslayer> what I'm uncertain of is how to actually find dbus
[15:27] <shadeslayer> !find FindDBus.cmake
[15:28] <JontheEchidna> find_package(DBus)
[15:28] <JontheEchidna> or find_package(DBus REQUIRED) if that's the case
[15:29] <shadeslayer> /usr/include/dbus-1.0/dbus/dbus.h:29:33: fatal error: dbus/dbus-arch-deps.h: No such file or directory
[15:29] <JontheEchidna> if you make a top-level directory cmake/modules and place FindDBus.cmake there, then you'd also do this:
[15:29] <JontheEchidna> set(CMAKE_MODULE_PATH "${proj_SOURCE_DIR}/cmake" ${CMAKE_MODULE_PATH})
[15:29] <shadeslayer> !find dbus-arch-deps.h
[15:30] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: can't I just use the FindDBus.cmake from kde-workspace-dev ?
[15:30] <JontheEchidna> find_package will search for a FindDBus.cmake or a DBusConfig.cmake
[15:30] <JontheEchidna> and use that to find and properly set the DBus-related cmake variables
[15:31] <shadeslayer> grrrr stupid dbus packaging
[15:31] <shadeslayer> or dbus includes
[15:34] <JontheEchidna> just curious, why do you need dbus directly?
[15:34] <shadeslayer> not me, this kio sysinfo slave
[15:35] <JontheEchidna> aah
[15:35] <JontheEchidna> seems that a KIO slave could use QtDBus
[15:36] <shadeslayer> it could also use a sane build system
[15:36] <JontheEchidna> lol
[15:36] <JontheEchidna> isn't sysinfo that suse kio slave?
[15:36] <shadeslayer> it didn't even have a top level CMakeLists.txt
[15:36] <JontheEchidna> :s
[15:36] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: yeah, but this one is a new version of it
[15:36] <shadeslayer> http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=98808&forumpage=0
[15:36]  * shadeslayer laughs at 'stable'
[15:36] <shadeslayer> that should have hinted as to what's to come
[15:36] <JontheEchidna> oh yeah, I remember trying to package it back in '09
[15:37] <JontheEchidna> keyword: trying
[15:37] <shadeslayer> well .. mostly done
[15:37] <JontheEchidna> good luck!
[15:38] <JontheEchidna> I haz more logarithms defined as integrals to... integrate
[15:38] <JontheEchidna> bbl
[15:43] <Riddell> xnox: do you know what that /usr/lib/update-notifier/package-data-downloader is which is causing a problem for afiestas?
[15:45] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: it's what downloads the binary blobs for packages like flashplugin-installer and the one for msttcorefonts
[15:45] <JontheEchidna> what problems is it causing afiestas?
[15:46] <xnox> afiestas: if I were you, I'd try network-less install.
[15:46] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: it crashes which prevents the install from completing http://paste.kde.org/562154
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> it looks like it continues past that point. the crash should just mean that flash won't be installed
[15:52] <xnox> Riddell: well look at 1184, crap starts there.
[15:53] <Darkwing> Riddell: When does the CC meeting start?
[15:55] <shadeslayer> hmm .. the only thing that's left is to deal with this dbus issue
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> if I'm correct, it starts in an hour?
[15:55] <Darkwing> Yeah, I just looked it up on the fridge
[15:55] <Darkwing> one hour.
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> I may be slightly late. I have to run something over to a teaching assistant for one of my classes.
[15:55] <shadeslayer> I have to do a : cp /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/dbus-1.0/include/dbus/dbus-arch-deps.h /usr/include/dbus-1.0/dbus/ to get dbus to pick up it's own headers
[15:56] <Darkwing> I'll actually have internet for it.
[18:27] <jussi> Damn
[18:27] <jussi> hour late :(
[18:53]  * yofel missed it too. Seems to have been productive at least :)
[18:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/Kubuntu-quantal-quetzal.svg
[18:59] <yofel> the logo is cut off a bit on the bottom, intentional?
[18:59] <shadeslayer> where?
[18:59] <yofel> otherwise: sweet :D
[19:00] <shadeslayer> also, text in black or blue?
[19:00]  * shadeslayer thinks black will look better
[19:01] <yofel> the regular logo has it black, I would stick with that
[19:01] <yofel> shadeslayer: rendering issue on my side? http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/logo.png
[19:02] <shadeslayer> yah
[19:02] <shadeslayer> refresh
[19:03] <yofel> hm, no, firefox still shows it like that
[19:03]  * yofel opens it in inkscape
[19:03] <shadeslayer> not to mention inkscape messes up colors a bit
[19:03] <yofel> alpha blending issue?
[19:04] <shadeslayer> dunno, http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/Kubuntu-quantal-quetzal_black.svg vs http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/Kubuntu-quantal-quetzal.svg
[19:04] <shadeslayer> colors are way darker
[19:05] <yofel> :/
[19:05] <yofel> all 3 of your svgs have that cut of piece at the bottom
[19:05] <yofel> BUT
[19:05] <yofel> it looks fine in inkscape
[19:06] <yofel> yep
[19:06] <yofel> svg rendering in firefox is broken
[19:06] <yofel> chrome shows it just fine
[19:06] <afiestas> xnox: I'm not installing kubuntu because I need to
[19:06] <afiestas> but because I want to help debug
[19:06] <afiestas> I mean, I know that if I do the usual offline install it will work because that's what everybody tests
[19:07] <shadeslayer> yofel: not to mention I can move the bird + logo in the svg :P
[19:07] <shadeslayer> atleast not in inkscape
[19:08] <yofel> what editor did you use anyway?
[19:08] <shadeslayer> inkscape and karbon
[19:08] <shadeslayer> why?
[19:09] <yofel> I forgot about karbon, that's why :P
[19:09] <shadeslayer> :P
[19:10] <shadeslayer> yofel: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/Kubuntu-quantal-quetzal.svg < I think black is much better, also, it renders incorrectly in chrome
[19:11] <shadeslayer> renders fine in karbom
[19:11] <shadeslayer> *karbon
[19:11] <yofel> well, that grey doesn't look half bad
[19:12] <shadeslayer> http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/Kubuntu-quantal-quetzal.png
[19:12] <shadeslayer> looks fine in png
[19:12] <yofel> ouch is that bird complex
[19:12] <shadeslayer> yeah :D
[19:12] <yofel> yeah, as long as you let karbon render it, it's fine
[19:12] <shadeslayer> yofel: I don't think the background is required for a sticker
[19:13]  * yofel crashed karbon
[19:13] <shadeslayer> hah
[19:16] <yofel> ah, I know where that cut off rendering might come from. The bottom of the circle is actually the quetzal's tail, the bottom of the logo is a bit higher
[19:17] <yofel> too many layers for firefox ^^
[19:18] <shadeslayer> hah
[19:22] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1059148] ksplashqml crashed with SIGSEGV in QGraphicsItem::sceneBoundingRect() @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1059148 (by Willy Imfeld)
[19:43] <xnox> afiestas: ok.
[19:43]  * xnox does only online installs =)
[20:25] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1020336] plasma-desktop crashed with SIGSEGV @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1020336 (by Simon Andric)