[00:30] <alex_mayorga> Why is archive.ubuntu.com slooow?
[00:30] <alex_mayorga> 70.4 kB/s
[00:36] <bjsnider> 263
[00:40] <bjsnider> 190
[00:40] <silverarrow> anyone clever with alsamixer?
[00:40] <silverarrow> I have no alsamixer
[00:40] <bjsnider> it's never super-fast because everybody is using it instead of their local mirrors
[00:45] <alex_mayorga> bjsnider: Thanks! I'll try the .mx mirror, but it is not much better most of the times
[00:45] <alex_mayorga> silverarrow: Didn't ALSA go the way of the dodo some time ago?
[00:46] <silverarrow> not in lubuntu?
[00:46] <silverarrow> and I still think alsa is in ubuntu, under there some where
[00:46] <silverarrow> even when pluseaudio is the new thing
[00:47] <alex_mayorga> silverarrow: ask!
[00:47] <bjsnider> alsa is how we have sound card drivers, it works with pulseaudio
[00:48] <silverarrow> yeah, trouble is I have no alsmixer in terminal !!! even though packages are reinstalled
[00:49] <silverarrow> how do I get sound and aslamixer working ?
[00:49] <silverarrow> alex_mayorga: did you like the question better?
[00:50] <bjsnider> silverarrow, this probably isn't going to be the best channel for those questions
[00:50] <silverarrow> lol
[00:50] <silverarrow> are you kidding
[00:50] <bjsnider> no
[00:50] <bjsnider> i am not
[00:50] <silverarrow> where is the better channel then?
[00:50] <silverarrow> it is not lubuntu
[00:51] <bjsnider> well, first of all, leaving alsamixer out of it, what is the actual problem?
[00:51] <silverarrow> I have no sound, no loudspeaker icon in taskbar,
[00:52] <bjsnider> have you ever had sound/when was the last time?
[00:52] <silverarrow> I had sound AND alsamixer in 12.04
[00:52] <silverarrow> but in quantal not ever
[00:53] <bjsnider> i'm not sure what lubuntu uses as far as sound goes
[00:53] <bjsnider> does it use pulse?
[00:53] <silverarrow> no pulse in lubuntu as far as I know
[00:53] <bjsnider> ok, check dmesg for sound related messages
[00:54] <silverarrow> major lits of text
[00:56] <silverarrow> paste.ubuntu.com/1259163
[00:56] <silverarrow> I cannot make any sense of it
[00:58] <bjsnider> snd-powermac no longer handles any machines with a layout-id property in the device-tree, use snd-aoa
[00:59] <bjsnider> it almost looks like you're using a machine made by the hateful apple corps
[01:00] <bjsnider> if this is ppc i don't think it's supported
[01:01] <bjsnider> i guess you need to modprobe snd-aoa
[01:01] <silverarrow> a few of us are wroking on making ppc suported
[01:02] <silverarrow> it is the last iBook, a white G4
[01:02] <silverarrow> thanks
[01:03] <bjsnider> i think the module that will drive that chip is snd-aoa
[01:04] <bjsnider> silverarrow, take a shot at #alsa or whatever it's called. maybe there's a ppc nerd there who can help you
[01:06] <silverarrow> thanks
[01:07] <silverarrow> there are a few of us on ubuntu-testing, but I am the only one with this model iBook G4 and sound troubles
[01:09] <bjsnider> silverarrow, try googling the message i posted above from dmesg and you'll get quite a few results. quite a few indeed
[01:09] <bjsnider> this issue seems to go back many years
[01:10] <silverarrow> oh
[01:10] <silverarrow> I am all new to the testing team, just an amateur really
[01:10] <silverarrow> ...and struggeling a bit
[03:37] <bjsnider> are we going to have two versions of gstreamer simultaneously with quantal?
[03:37] <Daekdroom> Are we? D:
[03:38] <Daekdroom> !find gstreamer
[03:38] <Daekdroom> !find gstreamer1.0
[03:39] <Daekdroom> Well, only 0.10 is a dependency of ubuntu-desktop.
[03:39] <bjsnider> Daekdroom, my system doesn't seem to work without 1.0
[03:40] <bjsnider> some stuff seems to use the 0.10 and others use 1.0
[03:41] <Daekdroom> It's not even installed currently in here.
[03:44] <bjsnider> i wonder if it's maybe required by the ppa
[04:49] <micahg> 0.10 is in main and 1.0 is in universe for quantal
[07:01] <gsedej_work> Hi! Ubuntu 12.10 beta2 does not have "logout" option in menu.
[07:02] <gsedej_work> this is bad, because user can't change to other desktop enviroment (KDE, LXDE, ...)
[07:02] <gsedej_work> it's quite usable with USB with persistance
[07:02] <gsedej_work> should I report bug?
[07:42] <tim> hi, for some reason, i cannot upgrade to quantic on my laptop: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1259515/
[07:47] <Volkodav> Anybody has issues with sopcast player? It starts up, buffers to 100% and stays blank
[08:13] <tim> hm also: "do-release-upgrade -d" does not find a new version and for some reason my system things that it is already 12.10, but it is still 12.04
[08:18] <edgy> Hi, kubntu images are now 900+ M,  how am I supposed to burn it on a CD?
[08:27] <howlymowly> hi poeple.. short question: I just installed kubuntu 12.10  and now have ligthdm as default login manager. I would like to use login as a certain user by default and lock the screen afterwards. but it seems there is no option for doing this in light dm?  any workaround?
[08:27] <howlymowly> *is ther any workaround?
[08:33] <tim> ... or maybe to rephrase my question: how does do-release-upgrade determine the installed version of ubuntu?
[08:35] <edgy> tim: if you want to know the installed version of ubuntu, check /etc/lsb-release
[08:36] <vega-> hmm empathy "internal error" after todays updates, no connection to server
[08:37] <tim> edgy: i've changed that file from quantal to precise ... probably a stale version from an early upgrade ...
[08:37] <tim> thing is, my machine *is* precise, not (yet) quantal
[08:38] <edgy> vega-: empathy is causing lots of errors for me, try removing the account and adding it again
[08:38] <tim> edgy: but even after `downgrading' the lsb-release file, `do-release-upgrade -d` does not find a new version
[08:38] <edgy> tim: what's the output of lsb-release -a command
[08:39] <edgy> s/lsb-/lsb_/
[08:39] <vega-> edgy: same error..
[08:39] <tim> edgy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1259578/
[08:41] <tim> funny ... after running that, do-release-upgrade *does* find an upgrade
[08:43] <tim> ... but then it tells me that it `could not calculate the upgrade'
[08:43] <edgy> tim: after running what?
[08:43] <tim> do-release-upgrade -d -f kde
[08:44] <edgy> tim: maybe it checks other files, try to edit /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades and use lts
[08:44] <tim> edgy: changed from normal to lts ... no effect ... back to normal ... no effect
[08:45] <edgy> check this file too /etc/update-manager/meta-release
[08:46] <tim> edgy: also `do-release-upgrade -d` now reports again: No new release found
[08:46] <tim> edgy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1259586/
[08:46] <tim> looks fine to me
[08:47] <edgy> tim: I don't know then
[08:47] <tim> it seems that the apt sources have been updated: apt-get dist-upgrade reports about 2000 upgradable packages
[08:47] <tim> is it sufficient to run that? or will i expect some further problems?
[08:48] <edgy> tim: I don't think we can predict but take a backup first and try
[09:17] <TheOneRing> kubuntu 12.10 beta 2 still only boots into a black screen on a gma 600
[09:18] <Mamarok> TheOneRing: read your question on #kubuntu: is it an upgrade or a fresh install?
[09:19] <TheOneRing> it is on first bootin the instalation media
[09:20] <Mamarok> oh, that is weird
[09:21] <TheOneRing> i gess it has to do  with the new driver shiped with the new kernal
[09:21] <TheOneRing> kernel
[09:22] <TheOneRing> dammned touch keyboard... :P
[09:22] <Mamarok> could you just ask the question again so the others can see it here
[09:26] <TheOneRing> i already did that right after joining
[09:28] <Mamarok> oh, OK then :)
[09:59] <simplew> im running the quantzal live cd and when i click to install and i set the mount points, i click to continue and then i get that it cant use the swap partition, why is this happening???
[10:00] <WarOfTheNerd> simplew, try sudo swapoff -a
[10:00] <WarOfTheNerd> simplew, then try the installer and see what you get :D
[10:00] <simplew> WarOfTheNerd, why is needed to disable swap?
[10:01] <WarOfTheNerd> simplew, sometimes it uses it before installer loads and thus it goes dumb and can't repartition properly
[10:01] <simplew> well thats a bug...
[10:01] <simplew> WarOfTheNerd, anyway thanks
[10:02] <WarOfTheNerd> simplew, well yeah, but it's an ancient one that has been fixed in the past - try it and if installer works, it's probably a stupid regression
[10:02] <simplew> WarOfTheNerd, why is not possible to select the encryption cypher and why isnt possible to set encrypted lvm?
[10:03] <WarOfTheNerd> simplew, Ubuntu uses a different method of encryption, based on encrypted /home folders
[10:03] <WarOfTheNerd> simplew, cipher selection has to my knowledge never been available in the live installer
[10:04] <simplew> WarOfTheNerd, just great....
[10:04] <WarOfTheNerd> simplew, do you need full disk encryption?
[10:04] <simplew> of course
[10:04] <WarOfTheNerd> simplew, remember that it's unnecessary except for defending against evil maid attacks
[10:04] <simplew> i always encrypt my systems
[10:05] <simplew> just encrypting home its a false security
[10:05] <WarOfTheNerd> So is encrypting the whole disk if you don't know what you're defending against
[10:05] <simplew> im defeding from entering in my machine
[10:06] <WarOfTheNerd> simplew, so you're planning to always boot from CD?
[10:06] <WarOfTheNerd> if not, remember /boot is unencrypted and anyone can replace the kernel ;)
[10:06] <simplew> WarOfTheNerd, why would i need to boot from cd???
[10:06] <Mamarok> he jsut told you why :)
[10:06] <Mamarok> just*
[10:07] <dr_willis> ;P
[10:07] <simplew> i dont need to encrypt boot files
[10:07] <simplew> and if those get screwed its easily workaround
[10:07] <WarOfTheNerd> simplew, why not?  What's to stop someone replacing them with trojaned versions and capturing your passphrase?
[10:07] <dr_willis> i dont really see the need to encrypt / either.. but  i dont even know the original problem
[10:08] <simplew> with a aes-xts-benbi cypher i dont see how would it be possible to crack it
[10:08] <WarOfTheNerd> dr_willis, people think encrypting / means they'll be secure because people can't modify most system files - but then they have to boot from CD or USB stick with their own known safe kernel/bootloader/initrd
[10:08] <WarOfTheNerd> simplew, if someone trojaned your kernel, bootloader or initrd; since it's unprotected, they could keylog the passphrase off you
[10:09] <simplew> WarOfTheNerd, im not using a cbc cypher that can be exploited
[10:09] <WarOfTheNerd> simplew, it's not about the cipher, it's about evil maid attacks against the kernel, bootloader and initrd
[10:09] <simplew> WarOfTheNerd, i really dont see how would that could happen but its a scenario
[10:11] <WarOfTheNerd> simplew, it's a scenario that full disk encryption was invented to cover; because encrypting /home/* and swap provides as much security as encrypting everything but booting from an unencrypted, exposed kernel
[10:12] <simplew> i have not considered that, but having the an encrypted system its far better that having none
[10:12] <WarOfTheNerd> it is, but only having /home and swap encrypted is equal to doing everything when you're not factoring in the exposed kernel
[10:13] <simplew> but the issue is that the install should provide the encryption to the user, that is available in other main distros like Opensuse and Mageia for example
[10:13] <simplew> reboot time
[10:13] <WarOfTheNerd> You can do it with the alternate installer, which is comparable to what the other two provide
[10:32] <simplew> in /etc/fstab of the isntalled quantzal i see this: overlayfs / overlayfs rw 0 0       why is that line in fstab for / ?
[11:52] <lampsBR> good morning. Is this the right place to ask about the gnome 3.x launcher? =D
[11:58] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:59] <drbobb> hi, today's update of quantal seems to want to remove apper, libpackagekit, kde-standard
[12:00] <drbobb> and some other stuff which doesn't look like it should be removed
[12:00] <drbobb> is something broken?
[12:01] <lampsBR> I did the update and my system appears to be running ok. But i'm not running kde, i'm on gnome 3.6
[12:02] <drbobb> are you on a laptop? mine seems to have lost the ability to switch off the toughpad
[12:02] <drbobb> touchpad
[12:03] <lampsBR> nop, i'm on a lenovo desktop. usb kb and mouse.
[12:03] <drbobb> I can't type a single line without touching the damn thing and throwing the cursor all over the place
[12:04] <drbobb> I use a usb wireless mouse anyway, can't stand touchpads
[12:05] <lampsBR> =]
[12:06] <drbobb> there is an option "switch off touchpad while typing" in system settings, but it doesn't work
[12:07] <drbobb> yeah I know this is a beta, I just hope this is gone before release
[12:11] <drbobb> anyway, not trying to flamebait or anything, but kde nowadays is so much better than gnome or unity, it isn't even funny ;)
[12:14] <lampsBR> hahahaha u troll. ;]
[12:15] <drbobb> my personal opinion of course (but then, why would I be voicing someone else's)
[12:30] <Simplew> i have followed the howto https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemLVMHowto to have ubunti QUANTZAL encrypted in LVM but when booting it does not aks for the passord to open the encrypted container, can anone tell me whats going on
[12:30] <Simplew> appears to me that ubuntu is not reading /etc/crypttab
[12:32] <ferni> Simplew: check that you do have the package "cryptsetup" installed
[12:33] <Simplew> ferni: yes it is
[12:33] <kawaiidesu> what's new in the final beta?
[12:33] <kawaiidesu> where's the blueprints
[12:37] <kawaiidesu> Meh found it, thanks guys
[14:17] <bercik1> Hi!
[14:18] <bercik1> Is ATi 12.9 beta compatible with Ubuntu 12.10 beta? I cant get it working
[14:30] <philinux> bercik1: it's a very slow channel at time. You might be better with a thread here. http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=416
[14:38] <Daekdroom> Did Empathy stop working for anyone else?
[14:38] <silverarrow> has anyone tried quantal on powerpc?
[14:47] <TheOneRing> [11:17:13] <TheOneRing> kubuntu 12.10 beta 2 still only boots into a black screen on a gma 600
[14:47] <TheOneRing> could anyone investigate?
[14:51] <wilee-nilee> TheOneRing, Are you familiar with nomodeset as a option?
[14:52] <wilee-nilee> !nomodeset
[14:52] <silverarrow> for quantal bootup?
[14:53] <silverarrow> yeah, I tried it
[14:53] <silverarrow> not for the latest dailies though
[14:54] <TheOneRing> ok Ill test nomodeset
[15:05] <TheOneRing> wilee-nilee: hm I still get a black screen
[15:07] <wilee-nilee> TheOneRing, This a install or booting a cd, and have you installed any graphic drivers?
[15:08] <TheOneRing> yes its on booting the image
[15:08] <TheOneRing> using unetbootin
[15:08] <wilee-nilee> TheOneRing, Ah you were able to find the option for nomodeset with unetbootin?
[15:08] <TheOneRing> because I dont have a cd drive or a second usb slot (the one I got is used by the keyboard)
[15:09] <TheOneRing> I added them manually
[15:10] <TheOneRing> kernel /casper/vmlinuz boot=casper only-ubiquity quiet splas nomodeset --
[15:10] <wilee-nilee> TheOneRing, Ah I'm not familiar with unetbootin other then straight booting in so I can't really confirm if what you have done is correct, I think others may be more helpful here.
[15:10] <wilee-nilee> probably correct I'm just used to the f6 option.
[15:10] <TheOneRing> eit more or less enables you to boot the cd image from your harddrive(windows)
[15:11] <TheOneRing> its a grub but the grafical grub is disabled but I can edit the boot options
[15:11] <wilee-nilee> I have to get going to a meeting so best of luck. ;)
[15:11] <TheOneRing> hm thx
[15:13] <TheOneRing> btw I installed a kubuntu 12.4 and made a distupgrade, so now I have kubuntu 12.4 installed and the same issue
[15:13] <TheOneRing> getting a black screen after booting
[15:13] <TheOneRing> but I was able to install sshd before
[15:14] <TheOneRing> so I could give you some logs or stuff like that
[15:17] <BluesKaj> TheOneRing, this channel is for 12.10 support , join #ubuntu for 12.04 help
[15:17] <TheOneRing> I need help with both :P
[15:18] <silverarrow> ...that binds us all
[15:18] <silverarrow> them all
[15:18] <silverarrow> should be banned really
[15:18] <BluesKaj> you have both 12.04 and 12.10 installed ?
[15:19] <TheOneRing> 12.04 installed with wubi
[15:19] <BluesKaj> oh
[15:19] <BluesKaj> and 12.10?
[15:19] <TheOneRing> and 12.10 not yet installed because I cant boot it :P
[15:19] <silverarrow> if he has done a dist upgrade he should be in 12.10
[15:19] <TheOneRing> getting a black screen on boot
[15:20] <BluesKaj> in wubi?
[15:20] <Pici> no, thats not what a dist-upgrade is.
[15:20] <TheOneRing> Welcome to Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS (GNU/Linux 3.2.0-32-generic-pae i686)
[15:20] <BluesKaj> a dist upgrade doesn't upgrade to a new release
[15:21] <BluesKaj> !dist-upgrade
[15:21] <silverarrow> yeah, you are right, that is the sude release upgrade
[15:22] <BluesKaj> no , it's sudo do-release-upgrade -d if you want to upgrade to a alpha or beta release
[15:23] <silverarrow> exactly
[15:23] <silverarrow> but I always have to look them up to get them right
[15:24] <silverarrow> I am looking into two subjects at the moment
[15:24] <silverarrow> one missing alsamixer
[15:24] <BluesKaj> TheOneRing, so you're still on 12.04 in wubi
[15:24] <TheOneRing> yes
[15:24] <silverarrow> two, radeon drivers actually working with xorg and graphics card
[15:25] <BluesKaj> so for 12.04 support , join #ubuntu
[15:25] <silverarrow>  you get help fast in the #ubuntu channel, at least usually
[15:26] <silverarrow> unless you are on ppc
[15:26] <TheOneRing>  sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[15:26] <TheOneRing> Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[15:26] <TheOneRing> No new release found
[15:26] <TheOneRing> so how to get the dist upgrade via console?
[15:26] <silverarrow> or wear a green shirt
[15:27] <silverarrow> maybe you have to mark of  in settings for it to take
[15:27] <myk_robinson> Morning, all
[15:28] <myk_robinson> Got a weird problem. hoping to get some help. Graphics on some sites, for some reason, I just cannot see
[15:28] <BluesKaj> the open the software center and disable the option LTS upgrade notification only , or something similar , TheOneRing
[15:28] <TheOneRing> hm I only can acces the device over ssh
[15:28] <myk_robinson> Looking at Google Ad Words, and lots of the graphics are missing. The same is true of my remote management site with GFI Max. They work fine on my Windows machine, however.
[15:28] <TheOneRing> and x over ssh is quite slow
[15:28] <myk_robinson> Screenshots coming shortly
[15:29] <BluesKaj> myk_robinson, install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:29] <myk_robinson> BluesKaj: It's already installed
[15:30] <myk_robinson> Here's a shot
[15:30] <myk_robinson> http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/bplvuvyl/Selection_001.png
[15:30] <TheOneRing> BluesKaj: ok got it with ssh xforwarding
[15:31] <myk_robinson> ..and again from the Google AdWords page:    http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/v5oxrjk8/Selection_003.png
[15:31] <myk_robinson> For whatever its worth, i get the same issue in Firefox or Chrome
[15:33] <BluesKaj> GFI Max?
[15:34] <myk_robinson> yes
[15:34] <silverarrow> what would it take to get city and area code right?
[15:34] <silverarrow> I am in Bergen
[15:34] <myk_robinson> BluesKaj: its a tool for managed service providers
[15:35] <BluesKaj> myk_robinson, I'm asking what  GFI Max is
[15:35] <myk_robinson> remote management solutions, etc, for IT service providers
[15:35] <myk_robinson> That screenshot was from my dashboard where I can check on some of the systems I am monitoring
[15:36] <myk_robinson> weird, now the images are showing.. Hasn't worked in a few days, seemed to coincide with me beta testing Ubuntu 12.10... I now also notice on the Google AdWords page, as I refresh the page, I get random results. Sometimes they will show, sometimes not...
[15:37] <myk_robinson> Perhaps server issues either on the other end or something abnormal going on with the ISP...
[15:38] <myk_robinson> have no clue what it is, seems to only be affecting these two pages at the moment. My "normal" browing is working just fine..
[15:38] <BluesKaj> myk_robinson, sorry I have no experience with remote management and I don't think that's a support subject for ubuntu
[15:38] <myk_robinson> My issue is not with the remote management, but with the graphics not displaying in the browser
[15:38] <silverarrow> I`m lost at sea
[15:39] <myk_robinson> I was simply answering your inquiry as to what GFI Max is :)
[15:39] <silverarrow> don`t even know what to search for, sound and kernel changes in quantal
[15:39] <myk_robinson> My screenshots are showing the missing graphics on webpages
[15:39] <BluesKaj> well , GFI Max seems to be the problem , doesn't it , myk_robinson?
[15:39] <silverarrow> myk_robinson: yeah, it is interesting
[15:40] <myk_robinson> NO! It also occurs on the Google AdWords page...
[15:40] <myk_robinson> and as I stated before, the pages in question work fine on my Windows machine, which leads me to wonder if something is amiss in this release of Ubuntu
[15:40] <myk_robinson> This is all stated in my original question
[15:41] <BluesKaj> well ,it is beta after all ...it's not for a production/office situation
[15:41] <myk_robinson> i understand that.... Just asking a question, relax
[15:41] <myk_robinson> this is not mission critical, just finding possible bugs like everyone else
[15:42] <myk_robinson> This is one that I can only duplicate on the 12.10 beta, and makes no sense, as the graphics in question are simple .gif files
[15:42] <myk_robinson> The fact that the issue spans two broswers on the same system but works fine on a another computer on the same network suggests the issue is somewhere within this clean install of the OS
[15:43] <myk_robinson> just trying to find the root so I can properly report it, but somehow it is wrong for me to pose this on a public forum that is for spotting bugs in the beta OS?
[15:50] <whitman> Anyone else seeing this nvidia-settings-updates error? http://pastebin.com/D14PQV1R
[15:56] <BluesKaj> whitman, that's nvidia-current upgrade which seems to have failed , try sudo dpkg --configure -a , then sudo apt-get install -f
[15:59] <whitman> BluesKaj, I'd already purged nvida-settings-updates in the hope it would install properly after that but still the same error.
[16:00] <BluesKaj> whitman, which nvidia card ?
[16:01] <whitman> An old AGP GeForce 6200
[16:02] <BluesKaj> whitman, yeah the updates can be troublesome thru the software center , seems to coatin breakages for nvidia upgrades
[16:02] <BluesKaj> contain
[16:02] <whitman> I'll give it a few days and try again
[16:04] <BluesKaj> geforce 6200 should be supported ..I've seen 6150s working ok on 12.10 but I think they're pcie cards
[16:05] <whitman> The drivers seem to be installed ok, just seems to be nvidia-settings-updates that won't install.
[16:08] <BluesKaj> whitman, don't use them , uninstall them
[16:10] <BluesKaj> I haven't used nvidia-settings-updates , since they broke my setup about 5-6 weeks ago
[16:11] <BluesKaj> whitman, I installed the new 304.51 driver successfully without errors this morning
[16:12] <whitman> Hmm, well there's a bug open about it which I'll keep an eye on, everything else seems to work. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-settings-updates/+bug/1061659
[16:16] <bjsnider> there should be an alternative for that file which would resolve that issue
[16:17] <bjsnider> i understand the .51 blob breaks compiz though
[16:17] <whitman> Technically I'm using Xubuntu on that machine so that's ok for me :)
[16:21] <BluesKaj> no need for compiz here altho my understnding is that kwin integrates compiz or parts of it
[16:22] <BluesKaj> bbl
[16:26] <komputes> How can I make a request to get twinkle (sip client) back in the repos?
[16:27] <micahg> komputes: get it ported to qt4
[16:27] <micahg> then get it into Debian...then request a backport
[16:28] <komputes> micahg: Is that necessary?
[16:29] <micahg> komputes: which part?
[16:29] <komputes> porting to qt4
[16:29] <micahg> yes
[16:29] <micahg> qt3 is gone in quantal
[16:29] <komputes> but I use the command line part of twinkle too
[16:29] <micahg> (should've been gone for precise, but that's another story)
[16:31] <micahg> sflphone, linphone, qutecom, and ekiga are other options currently in quantal
[16:33] <micahg> komputes: twinkle is available in precise for 5 years FWIW
[16:34] <komputes> micahg: yeah, but I'm encouraged to use the latest
[16:34]  * komputes starts testing alternatives
[17:35] <IdleOne> tomasm-: in the topic there is a link that should give you the info you need
[17:48] <tomasm-> i've read theres some new amazon suggestions in the dashboard..... is this something that can be turned off easily?
[17:49] <bazhang> !adlens
[17:49] <tomasm-> k
[17:50] <tomasm-> i'd think it might be less intrusive to have it disabled by default until someone clicks on 'show me suggestions from amazon' or something.... have it be a setting rather than simply installing/removing the package... what about if there are multiple users, and some want it and some dont?
[17:52] <IdleOne> it is up to the admin to decide what is best for all the users
[17:53] <IdleOne> if the admin is half decent he/she will take users opinions into consideration.
[17:54] <tomasm-> hmmmm, sounds very totalitarian. i thought linux was about freedom and customizability per user
[17:54] <IdleOne> it is.
[17:54] <IdleOne> but even in a free society there needs to be someone who makes the final decision
[17:56] <tomasm-> i take it ubuntu/unity is headed in the 'no-customization-needed' direction
[17:56] <bazhang> not really no
[17:56] <thiebaude> tomasm-, im trying to like it
[17:57] <thiebaude> but....
[17:57] <bazhang> I have around ten choices when I login
[17:57] <tomasm-> bazhang, you mean other WMs? or customization within unity?
[17:57] <bazhang> and GNOME classic *no effects* wfm
[17:57] <bazhang> on 12.10
[17:57] <tomasm-> thiebaude, but??
[17:58] <IdleOne> tomasm-: I should say there is probably a way of using the shopping lens on a per user base. I don't know how that is done though
[17:58] <thiebaude> everything is slow to open
[17:58] <thiebaude> its almost unusable
[17:58] <bazhang> so troubleshoot or use something else
[17:58] <tomasm-> thiebaude, I installed xcfe only and it's fast as heck
[17:58] <thiebaude> i think i'll put gnome classic on here
[17:59] <bazhang> there are *tons* of choices
[17:59] <thiebaude> yep
[17:59] <thiebaude> been using linux since ubuntu 6.10
[17:59] <thiebaude> :)
[17:59] <bazhang> gnome-panel and gnome-shell I added right away
[17:59] <thiebaude> ok bazhang i'll do that
[17:59] <yofel> are you running unity in a VM? I've tried a live disk a while ago and it was ok, just in a VM it's slow as hell
[17:59] <IdleOne> I got Kubuntu and it runs smooth as ice
[17:59] <bazhang> not even checked anything out about gnome-shell yet
[18:00] <thiebaude> no vm here
[18:00] <bazhang> the thing about unity is it has some very nice lenses
[18:00] <thiebaude> yes it does
[18:00] <bazhang> like the askubuntu one
[18:00] <thiebaude> i like where ubuntu is going with that
[18:00] <tomasm-> IdleOne, I just got the impression that unity is deliberately being stripped of flexibility/customization... kinda like the apple philosophy of minimalism. but i think advanced users should still have a choice.
[18:00] <TheOneRing> hm hzow to fix The following packages have been kept back:
[18:00] <TheOneRing>   linux-generic-pae linux-headers-generic-pae linux-image-generic-pae
[18:00] <TheOneRing> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
[18:01]  * yofel doesn't particulary see why he needs his webbrowser integrated into the Desktop
[18:01] <thiebaude> ok guys bbl
[18:01] <jtaylor> TheOneRing: apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:01] <bazhang> and the system settings, and so many other areas are just *so* polished
[18:01] <bazhang> ok
[18:01] <IdleOne> tomasm-: it's the opposite really, there is more flexibility now then there was on the first Unity release
[18:01] <bazhang> whoops
[18:02] <TheOneRing> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:02] <TheOneRing> Reading package lists... Done
[18:02] <TheOneRing> Building dependency tree
[18:02] <TheOneRing> Reading state information... Done
[18:02] <TheOneRing> Calculating upgrade... Done
[18:02] <TheOneRing> The following packages have been kept back:
[18:02] <TheOneRing>   linux-generic-pae linux-headers-generic-pae linux-image-generic-pae
[18:02] <TheOneRing> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded.
[18:02] <yofel> !paste | TheOneRing
[18:02] <TheOneRing> :P
[18:03] <yofel> looks like the meta package was published before the kernel binaries
[18:03] <yofel> wait a few hours
[18:03] <tomasm-> IdleOne, well im glad the unity developers are loosening up
[18:03] <bazhang> hah
[18:03] <IdleOne> tomasm-: I agree that it could be better.
[18:03] <BluesKaj> TheOneRing, what's point of your post?
[18:04] <TheOneRing> that I get the  3 not upgraded message on dist-upgrade
[18:04] <TheOneRing> so dist-upgrade wont help me
[18:04] <yofel> just wait
[18:04] <IdleOne> TheOneRing:  looks like the meta package was published before the kernel binaries ~yofel~
[18:07] <thiebaude> when i click on tweak-tool is does not come up, any suggestions?
[18:10] <thiebaude> im re-installing it now
[18:11] <Simplew> i have created an encrypted lvm and installed ubuntu quantzal beta 2 in it, however when booting it does NOT asks for the password to open the encrypted container, seams it does not read /etc/crypttab, can anyone tell whats going on?
[19:09] <Simplew> i just reinstalled ubuntu and the file /etc/crypttab does NOT exist!!! and the package cryptsetup is installed by default, how can this be???
[19:23] <zoktar> is there a way to create custom launchers in unity for 12.10?
[19:25] <trism> zoktar: sure, just create .desktop files for them and put them in ~/.local/share/applications/
[19:25] <zoktar> thanks
[20:08] <Simplew> i just reinstalled ubuntu and the file /etc/crypttab does NOT exist!!! and the package cryptsetup is installed by default, how can this be???
[20:21] <trism> fun, compiz crash during do-release-upgrade, and on respawn: compizconfig - Error: dlopen: /usr/lib/compizconfig/backends/libgconf.so: cannot open shared object file, so I guess compiz already upgraded
[20:23] <foormea> hi. quick question, in telepathy i ticked the box to let it run in the background
[20:23] <foormea> how do i then close the background job?! i tried killing it but it kept coming back. after a reboot it fixed it but... apart from rebooting, what can i do?
[21:50] <silverarrow> does anyone use RTL8187 drivers
[21:50] <silverarrow> ?
[21:50] <silverarrow> they should be tested for quatal,
[22:12] <TheOneRing> yea I updated the kubuntu 12.4 instalation installed with wubi to 12.10
[22:12] <TheOneRing> now I get a error when I try to start x11
[22:12] <TheOneRing> http://paste.kde.org/562490/
[22:13] <Guest57307> hey all, I installed quantal amd64 today which works very nicely btw, the installer had all the options I needed (entryption, lvm, etc.)
[22:13] <Guest57307> but now I can't get jhbuild to build anything
[22:13] <Guest57307> it complains about wireless-tools not being installed, though it is installed
[22:13] <Zta> Upgrading to Ubuntu 12.10 wiped all my custom keyboard bindings.  Now I would like to make a script that make it easy to restore them.  Anyone happen to know how?  Back in 11.04 I used gconf...
[22:13] <jrib> Zta: dconf has replaced gconf
[22:13] <Guest57307> I'm using the same .jhbuildrc I used previously on an arch setup that worked fine
[22:14] <jrib> Guest57307: you have the corresponding -dev package installed?
[22:14] <Guest57307> jrib, there doesn't seem to be any -dev package for wireless-tools
[22:14] <Zta> Is it a known bug that the Launcher won't autohide?
[22:14] <Guest57307> at least apt-cache search wireless-tools isn't showing one
[22:14] <Guest57307> maybe it's got some funky name?
[22:14] <jrib> Guest57307: I haven't used jhbuild in a long time.  Maybe you can pastebin exactly what you are seeing?
[22:15] <silverarrow> can anyone do me a favor? look up the package linux-image-3.5.0-16-
[22:15] <jrib> silverarrow: why not use http://packages.ubuntu.com ?
[22:15] <silverarrow> it is a driver package, for wireless
[22:15] <Guest57307> jrib, it just says No matching system package installed: wireless-tools (required=25)
[22:16] <Guest57307> ubuntu has version 30, so I changed the 25 to 30 in the moduleset xml files, but it still complains
[22:16] <silverarrow> well, trouble is I cannot launch bug report
[22:16] <Guest57307> it seems to be looking for a wireless.h file according to the xml
[22:16]  * Guest57307 looks for what package provides that
[22:17]  * Guest57307 installs libiw-dev and tries
[22:17] <Guest57307> phew, much better
[22:18] <Guest57307> thanks for listening guys, good job on the installer too btw, it rocks
[22:20] <silverarrow> jrib, no, it does not help
[22:21] <silverarrow> why would a package not be recognized in the bug-report launcher?
[22:22] <yofel> silverarrow: linux-image-3.5.0-16- is incomplete, for the kernel 'ubuntu-bug linux' is enough
[22:28] <TheOneRing> http://paste.kde.org/562490/ with a gma600