[01:24] <TheDrums> balloons: Yes, I have.
[01:46] <phillw> TheDrums: yes, you have what?...
[01:49]  * balloons is preparing
[01:49] <balloons> we're mere hours away
[01:49] <balloons> I should be sleeping I suppose
[01:49] <TheDrums> Sleep?
[01:50] <TheDrums> balloons: Why do you ask about respin anywho?
[01:50] <balloons> it's a secret
[01:50] <balloons> lol -- but it won't be for much longer
[01:55] <silverarrow> does anyone know about trouble with ppc sound cards?
[01:56] <silverarrow> snd-aoa
[01:57] <silverarrow> what does modprobe do? list info or mess up?
[01:57] <phillw> silverarrow: the best place to ask is http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=328 Adam is also there, just use the lubuntu tag when reporting the query
[01:58] <phillw> silverarrow: he is rsavage on the forum area.
[01:58] <silverarrow> I see, I posted in ubuntu-1
[01:58] <silverarrow> +1
[01:58] <phillw> silverarrow: you'd be better posting onto the apple area :)
[02:02] <silverarrow> people are so annoying with where you ask "not supported" nana
[02:02] <phillw> silverarrow: that is why it is better to post in the correct area :D
[02:02] <silverarrow> but what does modprobe do in terminal+
[02:02] <silverarrow> which is ubuntu+1?
[02:02] <silverarrow> ok, apple section
[02:02] <silverarrow> really daft, is when someone tell you ubuntu channel doesn't support that, and the same person answers in a different channel
[02:02] <phillw> silverarrow: for modprobe? somewhere like http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/11/modprobe-command-examples/ will explain, do expect to get a headache as it is tech stuff :D
[02:02] <silverarrow> oh, phil is wearing a green shirt today, we only talk to him on days when he were blue shirts
[02:02] <phillw> silverarrow: indeed it is, but it is thing called trying to keep things on topic. If that were not to happen there would be one channel with everyone on it.
[02:03] <phillw> silverarrow: try getting a word in edgeways on #ubuntu :P
[02:05] <silverarrow> that is the big distro
[02:06] <phillw> silverarrow: besides, you should be getting your notes ready for the presentation at the end of the month!
[02:07] <silverarrow> I should?
[02:07] <silverarrow> what should I note
[02:07] <silverarrow> all the apps not working. all kinds of logs?
[02:08] <phillw> yup, you are on my radar for the email about the presentation
[02:08] <phillw> silverarrow: well, you have a few days left to ensure it is all working on your system :)
[02:09] <silverarrow> I have no sound!!
[02:09] <phillw> silverarrow: then get it fixed! I have no PPC machine to test on.
[02:10] <silverarrow> go fetch your indigo clamshell from the loft
[02:10] <silverarrow> I am strying
[02:11] <silverarrow> there are info on the ppc faq page but I just don't understand it
[02:13] <phillw> silverarrow: I did say that joining the testing team would be a steep learning curve. Honest, my young friend, you are doing really well. Please do not get frustrated or down hearted. If you get stuck on the PPCFAQ area, pop a request onto the forum area.
[02:17] <phillw> Well, bed time for me. was going to have an early night, but already 03:16 here!
[02:17] <phillw> balloons: I'll catch you later on :)
[02:29] <silverarrow> the sound issue I am having is a common one it seems
[02:29] <silverarrow> and old bug
[02:30] <silverarrow> what is a layout id property?
[02:31] <silverarrow> ...in the device tree
[02:31] <silverarrow> what?
[02:49] <Noskcaj> Which iso's can i test on an ibook g4? it has 386MB of ram.
[08:26] <Noskcaj> does the ubuntu daily PPC still fit on a cd?
[11:52] <balloons> hello xnox
[11:52]  * smartboyhw wonders why suddenly balloons says hi:P
[11:53] <smartboyhw> piff balloons you fail xnox quit :P
[11:53] <balloons> :-(
[11:53] <smartboyhw> LOL on you balloons
[11:54] <smartboyhw> balloons, in the next cycle if you don't do an intro in the Developer week classroom sessions I am going to kill you:P
[11:54] <balloons> ouch
[11:54] <balloons> that would hurt
[11:54] <smartboyhw> balloons, yes prepare for smartboyhw's famous ballpoint pen kill:P
[12:06] <astraljava> balloons: Yes, but only until you really die.
[12:06] <balloons> wow
[12:07] <balloons> and now you've seen my picture
[12:14] <astraljava> ...and he knows vaguely where you live, too. I think.
[12:17] <balloons> :-p
[12:42] <balloons> phillw, care to make a template for me on the wiki?
[12:43] <smartboyhw> balloons, I can
[12:43] <phillw> balloons: sure which one?
[12:43] <smartboyhw> Hi phillw how are ya?
[12:43] <balloons> we'd like to record people who try to install today: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ExoticInstalls
[12:44] <smartboyhw> balloons, I am one:P
[12:44] <phillw> I'm well. Just about to go sort out some tax stuff for my Dad's compnay
[12:44] <smartboyhw> phillw, oh...tax:(
[12:44] <balloons> ahh
[12:44] <balloons> any volunteers?
[12:45] <smartboyhw> balloons, what sort of template you want eh?
[12:45] <balloons> something simple
[12:45] <phillw> smartboyhw: can you do? Else it'll have to wait until I'm done with my Dad.
[12:45] <balloons> name, install attempted, succes or fail
[12:45] <balloons> comments
[12:45] <balloons> keep it simple
[12:45] <smartboyhw> phillw, you gonna help in that Open Week QA session?
[12:45] <smartboyhw> balloons, ok
[12:46] <phillw> bbl. Tax & Computer time :/
[12:48] <smartboyhw> balloons, check that page now, just a preview
[12:49] <balloons> smartboyhw, ty
[12:49] <smartboyhw> balloons, :)
[12:53] <smartboyhw> balloons, go and reply the email that I just sent
[12:53] <smartboyhw> :P
[12:59] <sagaci> I'll try an install of the latest desktop-amd64
[13:00] <smartboyhw> Good sagaci
[13:00]  * smartboyhw too
[13:01] <sagaci> 576kB/sec
[13:22] <balloons> sagaci, excellent
[13:28] <silverarrow> how do you modprobe correctly?
[13:29] <smartboyhw> silverarrow, modprobe?
[13:29] <silverarrow> yes, I have no sound
[13:29] <smartboyhw> Grrrr....
[13:29] <silverarrow> the suggestion on the faq page is to blacklist something under modprobe.d
[13:29] <silverarrow> I just don`t get it
[13:30] <sagaci> sudo modprobe psmouse
[13:30] <sagaci> sudo rmmod psmouse
[13:30] <sagaci> or whatever module you want
[13:30] <silverarrow> so, modprobe alsa?
[13:31] <sagaci> to blacklist, just create a file like sound.conf in modprobe.d with something like modprobe pcspkr
[13:31] <silverarrow> snd
[13:31] <sagaci> sorry, blacklist alsa
[13:31] <silverarrow> ?
[13:31] <silverarrow> I do want alsamixer
[13:31] <sagaci> or whatever module you want to blacklist
[13:32] <sagaci> that'll be effective on next startup unless you manually modprobe or rmmod
[13:33] <silverarrow> seriously, I don`t know
[13:34] <silverarrow> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ#Why_do_I_have_no_sound.3F
[13:34] <silverarrow> !"#¤%&/ argh
[13:35] <sagaci> not sure what module you need to blacklist, so...
[13:37] <silverarrow> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1259965/
[13:38] <silverarrow> this is suppose to list snd-aoa modules in use
[13:51] <sagaci> balloons: the ubiquity installer didn't locate my timezone/country correctly, how high up the tree should I report this as a bug, or is it bug-worthy at this stage... probably a lot of duplicates..?
[13:54] <balloons> ohh it didn't?
[13:54] <balloons> how far off?
[13:54] <balloons> sagaci, yes, please do report
[13:55] <xnox> sagaci: are you connected to the internet?
[13:55] <xnox> sagaci: or are you offline
[13:59] <sagaci> I connected to my wifi and detected new york... should be Sydney Australia
[14:01] <silverarrow> I have connected my network wifi to an old _AM radion, I now I can pick up wifi all over the world
[14:02] <silverarrow> the list of networks is a mile long
[14:04] <sagaci> bug 1061629
[14:04] <sagaci> need to see the attachment screenshot
[14:09] <xnox> sagaci: did you search for existing bugs before reporting?
[14:11] <sagaci> xnox: as a precursor, is it possible to spit out the info what ubiquity does in the install process without actually doing the full install process?
[14:11] <sagaci> in regards to the timezone detect page
[14:12] <xnox> sagaci: if network available & connected & working - attempt a geo-ip lookup to detect timezone. If no network available default to a default location/timezone. The installer boots into en_US locale with New York as default.
[14:14] <xnox> sagaci: hence my question if you were connected to the internet and the http://start.ubuntu.com/connectivity-check.html is reachable & matches the checksum
[14:14] <sagaci> i'll re-test in a VM
[14:14] <xnox> sagaci: if no network available and you choose Russian locale, the default timezone should be Moscow.
[14:14] <xnox> (offline that is)
[14:19] <xnox> sagaci: go on your network to http://www.geoiptool.com/ and see what it detects you as.
[14:19] <xnox> sagaci: maybe your ISP is hidden or .... routed via new york?!
[14:19] <xnox> sagaci: or internetz are not fully functional / setup correctly in the installer
[14:21] <sagaci> says Australia, so I'm just downloading the -i386 to test in a VM
[14:22] <xnox> sagaci: harum =(
[14:22] <xnox> if network is available - get to the timezone page and if it gets you wrong.
[14:22] <xnox> swtich to tty1 and file a bug using: ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[14:22] <xnox> it will give you a URL to go to with details pre-collected.
[14:23] <xnox> such that you can finish filing it from your host machine / main laptop
[14:23] <sagaci> meh, I'll just reinstall
[14:27] <sagaci> xnox: confirmed, reinstalling, connected to my network before opening ubiquity and it's failed to detect... it's defaulting to new york
[14:29] <xnox> sagaci: can you go into try ubuntu session and open a web-browser and navigate the web?
[14:29] <xnox> sagaci: or swtich to tty and ping something.
[14:29] <sagaci> general internet works
[14:30] <xnox> *sigh* yeah file bug using ubuntu-bug ubiquity from that session to get the logs.
[14:30] <sagaci> if it's any different, I'm connecting via networkmanager rather than via the ubiquity step
[14:32] <xnox> sagaci: did you have a green tick on the prepare page?
[14:32] <xnox> against network?
[14:32] <xnox> sagaci: than it shouldn't matter.
[14:32] <xnox> s/than/then/
[14:37] <sagaci> xnox: I was able to click both those checkboxes on that step, so it must have been ticked
[14:38] <sagaci> Bug #1061657
[14:48] <xnox> sagaci: apperantly http://geoip.ubuntu.com/lookup is what we use
[15:01] <silverarrow> my alsamixer problem is one of those stupid things that can be fixed by a new install
[15:02] <silverarrow> yet, noone know how to fix the modprobe stuff
[15:03] <sagaci> xnox: tested again in a Windows host Vm with normal internet working... still New York...
[15:04] <xnox> sagaci: what does our server say if you go to: http://geoip.ubuntu.com/lookup ?
[15:04] <xnox> in the web browser on your network?
[15:05] <xnox> if that says australia - bug in debian-installer somewhere. if that doesn't say australia - bug in our geoip server =)
[15:05] <sagaci> it says Aus
[15:05] <sagaci> tralia
[15:05] <silverarrow> please do not disturb
[15:06] <silverarrow> XML Parsing Error: not well-formed
[15:06] <silverarrow> Location: http://geoip.ubuntu.com/lookup
[15:06] <silverarrow> Line Number 1, Column 258:
[15:08] <silverarrow> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1260115/
[15:08] <silverarrow> not sure why that turned up in four posts?
[15:09] <xnox> silverarrow: huh?! we serve malformed xml by not encoding dashes?
[15:09] <silverarrow> could you make any sense of it?
[15:10] <silverarrow> I can tell you Europe and Norway was the only thing correct in that line
[15:11] <silverarrow> city, area, postal codes, way off
[15:18] <xnox> silverarrow: meh. I don't care about the actual data. I care that xml was malformed and not parsable to begin with reject _all_ of the return by a client application.
[15:19] <xnox> silverarrow: as long as we get 1/60 timezones right, I am happy. and we don't use city/area/postal codes/. Only the timezone bit =)
[15:27] <balloons> :-)
[15:28] <silverarrow> yeah, timezone was fine Oslo/PAris
[15:30] <silverarrow> a tricky one it looks like
[15:31] <xnox> geoip is not an exact science, but rather a highly out of date global yellow pages.
[15:32] <xnox> and like embassies usually re-route their traffic via vpn to their home country....
[15:33] <silverarrow> I see
[16:21] <komputes> hi folks
[16:22] <GridCube> hi
[16:26] <komputes> How can I make a request to get twinkle (sip client) back in the repos?
[16:27] <komputes> It was removed in 12.10, and it's only the best SIP client for me.
[16:31] <silverarrow> what would is anyone affected by bug 1060425 , powerpc and i386?
[16:32] <silverarrow> wrong bug
[16:32] <silverarrow> bug 1060045
[16:32] <silverarrow> lol
[16:32] <silverarrow> sorry
[16:33] <silverarrow> bug 10600452
[16:33] <silverarrow> let me change computer
[16:36] <silverarrow> bug 1060452
[16:37] <silverarrow> I have one of those wobbly floating separate keyboards, act up some times
[17:03] <silverarrow> is there a way to track the kernel and audio module changes in quantal?
[17:03] <silverarrow> I mean, what has changed from precise
[17:11] <wxl> silverarrow: when you run alsamixer -a basic in terminal what happens?
[17:11] <wxl> also apt-cache policy alsa-utils | grep -i installed gives what?
[17:14] <wxl> silverarrow: in any case you should make a bug report
[17:15] <silverarrow> I did yesterday
[17:15] <silverarrow> not sure if it was any good though
[17:15] <wxl> please link me
[17:16] <wxl> and what about the above?
[17:16] <silverarrow> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-utils/+bug/1060452
[17:17] <silverarrow> the above? sorry, I haven`t logged conversation yet, I have just activated a plugin on pidgin that might do it
[17:18] <wxl> does pidgin do exec commands? prolly not
[17:18] <silverarrow> not sure
[17:18] <silverarrow> it is quantal default though
[17:18] <wxl> it's ok
[17:18] <wxl> io used to use it
[17:18] <wxl> libpurple in general
[17:18] <wxl> then i switched to finch
[17:18] <wxl> and then bitlbee
[17:19] <wxl> w/ irssi as a client (though i'm tempted by weechat)
[17:19] <wxl> i digress
[17:21] <silverarrow> my alsamixer bug turned out to be a nasty one
[17:21] <silverarrow> not sure why I am the only one affected, which is a bit odd
[17:22] <wxl> oops wrong channel
[17:22] <wxl> do you not read your emails? :)
[17:23] <silverarrow> I do :- )
[17:24] <silverarrow> and I got a bit further
[17:24] <wxl> cuz i told you you weren't the only one
[17:24] <silverarrow> good
[17:24] <silverarrow> wxl, I though you had sound though?
[17:25] <wxl> oh well i can't find an exec command for pidgin
[17:25] <silverarrow> what does exec do?
[17:26] <wxl> executes shell command, optionally sends to channel
[17:26] <wxl> irssi is a beautiful thing
[17:27] <wxl> anyways, tell me what you get from:
[17:27] <wxl> apt-cache policy alsa-utils | grep -i installed
[17:27] <wxl> and
[17:27] <wxl> alsamixer -a basic
[17:28] <silverarrow>  Installed: 1.0.25-3ubuntu2
[17:29] <silverarrow> http://imagebin.org/230903
[17:37] <silverarrow> is there way to list and check for dependencies in terminal?
[17:37] <silverarrow> I was missing the libasound2 package, which lists as a dependenscy
[17:38] <wxl> what do you mean? what makes you tink that? what exactly did you see?
[17:38] <wxl> (the answer is yes, i want to udnerstand the question)
[17:40] <silverarrow> I found this list of packages in launchpad
[17:40] <silverarrow> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/118160684/Dependencies.txt
[17:41] <silverarrow> which I is alsamixer dependencies or something related, I don`t think it  is a complete list of packages in lubuntu
[17:42] <silverarrow> which I think*
[17:43] <wxl> alsa-utils is part of lubuntu-core http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/lubuntu-core
[17:43] <wxl> libasound2 is a part of it http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/alsa-utils
[17:44] <wxl> and it suggests libasound2-python http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/libasound2
[17:44] <wxl> (which means it won't get installed)
[17:44] <silverarrow> what?
[17:44] <silverarrow> not installed, hmm
[17:45] <wxl> it is only suggested, not dependent
[17:45] <silverarrow> I see
[17:45] <wxl> but that still doesn't fix it
[17:45] <silverarrow> libasound2-python is not listed on the launchpad list
[17:46] <wxl> i have no clue what that list is so i'm not sweating it
[17:46] <silverarrow> I see
[17:47] <silverarrow> how much does powerpc differ?
[17:48] <wxl> shouldn't
[17:53] <wxl> can anyone recommend what package to file a bug against if i want to describe an xorg.conf to solve a problem with x and a particular nvidia chip (ppc)
[17:53] <wxl> ?
[17:54] <silverarrow> that is a tricky one
[17:55] <silverarrow> pick any likely one, and it will get narrowed down when more people join in
[17:55] <silverarrow> that is the usual reply
[18:02] <silverarrow> phillw: how is alsamixer dong in your vm?
[18:23] <phillw> silverarrow: I don't use sound on the VM's. As they are generic systems, there is little point trying to test things that are hardware specific (such as your sound card in this instance).
[18:24] <wxl> unless there's a generic problem
[18:24] <wxl> it's *ALWAYS* worth testing
[18:38] <silverarrow> phillw: you can open alsamixer in terminal, or alsamixer -a basic ?
[18:39] <phillw> silverarrow: which arch of lubuntu do you want me to run?
[18:39] <wxl> phillw: quantal
[18:39] <silverarrow> ppc i386
[18:40] <phillw> let me see which iso's I've got stored locally (it takes ~4 hours for me grab a new iso)
[18:40] <silverarrow> okok
[18:40] <wxl> 4 hours holy crow are you on dialup?
[18:41] <phillw> I've got alternate AMD64, but that will need zsyncing
[18:41] <silverarrow> new iso took 40 minutes yesterday, almost at least
[18:41] <wxl> well i'd like to see what amd64 does too
[18:41] <phillw> wxl: it does seem that way at times! I get about 750Kb/s out here in the countryside.
[18:42] <phillw> my 3G device is faster, but grabbing iso's via 3G gets expensive real fast!
[18:42] <silverarrow> ooh, mobile network is faster often
[18:42] <wxl> 3g is faster = not good
[18:42]  * wxl is spoiled by 4g
[18:49] <phillw> wxl: silverarrow I have 37% to re-download of alternate amd64 using zsync. I'll leave it quietly running  and keep an eye on it.
[18:50] <phillw> estimate is ~ 1hour, which sounds logical.
[18:53] <silverarrow> phillw: I can mail you the todays ppc daily
[18:53] <silverarrow> a cd in an envelope
[18:54] <phillw> silverarrow: and how would that be faster given the problem is the speed of my b/band link? :P
[18:54] <silverarrow> lol
[18:54] <silverarrow> the mailman delivers
[18:55] <phillw> silverarrow: not in this village! 2 days minimum for a 1st class letter. I get anything urgent sent to my Dad's works address and he brings it home that evening. Faster than getting it delivered to the house :)
[18:56] <silverarrow> 2 days might happen here too
[18:57] <silverarrow> though mostly it is in the mailbox the day after
[18:57] <silverarrow> 7 days to my aunt and uncle in mill valley,
[18:58] <silverarrow> 2-5 days from UK to me
[18:58] <silverarrow> phillw: there is one day delay in your local post office
[18:58] <silverarrow> or local mail service, wonder what it is
[19:00] <phillw> I've found it faster to upload stuff to my main server, then grab it from there. The main server has a good back bone link into the Canonical system and grabs ~11MB/s from them. I then a much faster d/load speed from my server than using the standard links.
[19:01] <silverarrow> my net varies a lto
[19:01] <silverarrow> lot*
[19:03] <phillw> the structure for the archiving up of milestones for the 13.04 series is nearly completed. Lubuntu 12.10 ones are there now from A3 onwards. http://phillw.net/isos/
[19:03] <silverarrow> wxl: how on earth do you go about fixing issue with the nvida card?
[19:03] <wxl> silverarrow: followed the instructions
[19:03] <phillw> silverarrow: a lot of work 'up stream' is currently ongoing :)
[19:03] <wxl> autoconfiguring an xorg.conf is detailed in ppcfaq
[19:03] <wxl> so i did it
[19:03] <wxl> and then it suggested to rmeove some stuff
[19:03] <wxl> which i did
[19:03] <silverarrow> phillw: you are way ahead
[19:04] <wxl> and then i asked for a wee bit of help (but i had a hint it was going to be that anywho)
[19:04] <wxl> one option and we were good
[19:04] <phillw> silverarrow: I'm just following the emails flying back & forth!
[19:04] <silverarrow> phillw: really cool
[19:04] <wxl> there's also this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12277607#post12277607
[19:05] <silverarrow> I wonder if it could be helpful in relation to radeon card
[19:05] <wxl> possibly
[19:05] <wxl> that's the suggested fix-- an xorg.conf
[19:05] <wxl> did you try the fix at all?
[19:05] <silverarrow> we get hit over the head on mac forums
[19:05] <silverarrow> hard
[19:05] <silverarrow> we do not have accelerated graphics
[19:06] <silverarrow> I am on to it
[19:06] <silverarrow> i lost all my email sorting
[19:06] <silverarrow> I have to do it again
[19:06] <phillw> silverarrow: Colin has now asked -kernel & -xorg guys to try and get it fixed without resorting to boot parameters. He's really against a 'hack' that provides a sticking plaster instead of solving the issue. I do fully support his logic that it is far better to fix the problem then hack some work around together.
[19:06] <silverarrow> I had all the lubuntu mail in one folder
[19:07] <wxl> yeah boot parameters are not good
[19:07] <balloons> phillw, silverarrow background noise for you: ubuntuonair.com ;-)
[19:07] <wxl> and generally can be done on an xorg.conf anyways
[19:07] <silverarrow> one thing thurnderbird is really bad on , is searching
[19:07] <wxl> silverarrow: the fix is the first post on the radeon bug
[19:07] <silverarrow> and sorting out
[19:07] <wxl> it's REALLY FAST in sylpheed *HINT HINT*
[19:08] <silverarrow> oh, I hate the configs in sypheed
[19:08] <phillw> hi balloons I've had to drop the video stream as the guys want to check out a sound problem with Lubuntu. Do you have any recent lubuntu iso's on your system? May while away the hours when things go quiet?
[19:08] <silverarrow> I have to do them myself lol
[19:08] <silverarrow> thuderbird is idiotproof
[19:08] <balloons> I have lubuntu install
[19:08] <balloons> not a recent iso
[19:08] <wxl> !!!!!
[19:08] <wxl> Bug 1045098
[19:09] <wxl> ↑↑↑
[19:10] <phillw> balloons: if you get time, can you zsync one up please? I'm grabbing amd64 as I only need 33%. They also want an i686 one testing. it appears alsa is mis behaving.
[19:10] <wxl> that bug seems bad (lubuntu-core not installing)
[19:10] <phillw> wxl: / silverarrow can you pop the bug number up on here for us, thanks
[19:11] <silverarrow> which one?, the alsamixer?
[19:11] <silverarrow> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12277391#post12277391
[19:11] <silverarrow> or the graphics card
[19:12] <wxl> it's a problem with artwork https://launchpadlibrarian.net/114542754/DpkgTerminalLog.txt
[19:12] <silverarrow> sorry
[19:13] <silverarrow> error cupy pase
[19:13] <balloons> phillw, syncing.. but I'm starting from nothing
[19:13] <balloons> heh
[19:13] <silverarrow>  bug 1060452
[19:13] <phillw> wxl: that seems a 12.04 --> 12.10 upgrade fail?
[19:14] <wxl> removing stuff seems like it
[19:14] <silverarrow> DVD films play, but not ideal screen sizing
[19:14] <wxl> oh weird
[19:14] <wxl> no
[19:15] <wxl> it's an upgrade to 12.04 from something
[19:15] <phillw> wxl: I'll go ask the OP what he was attempting to do. It's just not at all clear what he / her was trying.
[19:15] <silverarrow> I haven`t heard any manage to upgrade to the new release
[19:15] <silverarrow> it either stops or will not start at all
[19:16] <wxl> strange
[19:16] <wxl> worked for me
[19:16] <wxl> but i do it in terminal
[19:16] <silverarrow> I see
[19:16] <silverarrow> yeah, they all tried in terminal too
[19:16] <silverarrow> regular ubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu
[19:17] <wxl> 12.04 → 12.10 or something → 12.04
[19:17] <phillw> wxl: marked as incomplete with request to reporter.
[19:17] <wxl> sounds good
[19:17] <silverarrow> 12.04 to 12.10
[19:18] <wxl> haven't done that one yet
[19:18] <phillw> I've subscribed to the bug, fell free to do also!
[19:18] <phillw> 76% of AMD64 updated.
[19:18] <wxl> done
[19:19] <silverarrow> very unfortunate with the band width
[19:19] <phillw> We will need to check the 12.04 --> 12.10 updgrade route at some point!
[19:19] <phillw> but that will be for the i686 & amd64 guys to go do :)
[19:20] <phillw> I couldn't advice a 12.04 --> 12.10 for ppc atm.
[19:20] <wxl> um
[19:20] <phillw> *advise*
[19:20] <wxl> i may have done one
[19:20] <wxl> can't remember :)
[19:21] <phillw> if it were round about A3 stage, it would most likely have worked okay :/
[19:22] <wxl> oh shush
[19:22] <phillw> :P
[19:22] <silverarrow> I have bumped into a few with clamshells on the web trying to make any use of them
[19:23] <silverarrow> which would be quite an accomplishment with todays network and web apps
[19:24] <phillw> wxl: silverarrow I'll make you (and Adam) a promise. If you have a iso that I can check on the elderly 'all in one' iMac, I'll take it from the loft & plug the little critter in to test :)
[19:24] <silverarrow> lol
[19:25] <phillw> I'm assuming it will be okay with a standard keyboard & 2 button mouse?
[19:25] <wxl> :)
[19:25] <silverarrow> wich one is that, the lamp?
[19:25]  * wxl shrugs
[19:25] <wxl> probably
[19:25] <wxl> i haven't done naything to tweak inputs
[19:27] <silverarrow> ubuntu gets blamed for having grown to big and heavy, but it is more about getting stuff to run better
[19:28] <silverarrow> get the wrong graphics driver and it can act as glue
[19:31]  * phillw (20:29:26) czajkowski: come one people donate so jono shaves his beard off!!!!
[19:31] <phillw> YAY!
[19:31] <phillw> I've already donated to balloons, so that's me out :(
[19:32] <balloons> lubuntu iso sysncing low
[19:33] <phillw> balloons: thanks, I'm up to 83% for amd64
[19:36] <silverarrow> if you log onto your hotmail address from a non windows system, hotmail /live email account is stripped to the bare
[19:43] <silverarrow> does updates do the same as the daily nsync ?
[19:49] <balloons> silverarrow, isos always contain a point in time snapshot of the archive
[20:01] <silverarrow> phillw:   I don`t think the ubuntu server allows for much more than 450KB/S download
[20:01] <silverarrow> at least not at the moment
[20:02] <phillw> silverarrow: well, don't tell them!
[20:02] <silverarrow> who?
[20:02] <silverarrow> well, I can live with download in 25 minutes
[20:02] <phillw> It's a backbone to backbone link. But it is only used to pull stuff in that I then share to everyone else :)
[20:04] <wxl> you know you're a geek when you're at work using logmein to remotely connect to another computer in the building that's running a lubuntu vm in windows that's ssh'd to two other machines— and your job isn't even in it
[20:04] <phillw> If my own link were faster, I'd use my server for running the VM's. It was trialled and if you have a decent speed the lag is not too bad.
[20:05] <phillw> wxl: LMFAO :D
[20:05] <silverarrow> that is a horrid but funny music duo
[20:06] <phillw> 97% .... Gee, this is like watching paint dry :/
[20:06] <silverarrow> lol
[20:06] <wxl> hahahah
[20:06] <silverarrow> ooh, download is up to 500kb/S now
[20:06] <wxl> silverarrow: lspci -v | grep -i audio
[20:06] <wxl> what's that give you?
[20:07] <silverarrow> didn`t we do that one
[20:07] <wxl>  nope
[20:07] <wxl> we did use grep tho
[20:07] <wxl> and on another thing we used lspci
[20:07] <silverarrow> absolutely nothing ?
[20:07] <wxl> bummer
[20:07] <wxl> same here
[20:08] <wxl> means the system doesn't even recognize your sound being connected
[20:08] <silverarrow> hmm
[20:08] <silverarrow> there is no sound, so figures
[20:08] <wxl> it's like it's thinking you have no sound card
[20:09] <silverarrow> I see
[20:10] <phillw> wxl silverarrow now please do not shout at me, but I assume you have followed http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1885240 ?
[20:10] <wxl> NOT IN THE WIKI >:(
[20:11] <silverarrow> no, new to me
[20:11] <wxl> speaker-test can't find card0
[20:11] <silverarrow> I have been stuck in the ppc section since I took on this iBook
[20:11] <silverarrow> phillw: thanks
[20:12] <wxl> not a permissions/group issue
[20:14] <phillw> soz, just dawned on me. The multimedia section of the forum is really good... Just I know wxl hates forum areas with a passion!
[20:14] <silverarrow> phillw: not totally new,  but I have sort of put it aside
[20:16] <phillw> as I have a sound card listed, and my VM's are generic. I'm not too sure how much help I can be to you guys if you're not even seeing the sound card at low level :'(
[20:17] <phillw> wxl: stuff from the forum is being moved to wiki (you may recall the squeals when the LOST area was one of the first to be moved).
[20:18] <wxl> well it seems to be ppc only
[20:19] <phillw> lspci is far to close to kernel stuff for me to even try to reason it out.
[20:19] <wxl> most of these issues relate to fixing alsa anwyays
[20:19] <wxl> s/issues/fixes
[20:19] <phillw> balloons: is there any of the guys on the chat-athon who could shed some light as to why a sound card is simply not being reported?
[20:20] <phillw> silverarrow: when was the last time you ha sound?
[20:20] <phillw> *had*
[20:20] <balloons> not being reported?
[20:20] <balloons> hw issue
[20:20] <balloons> boot livecd confirm it's not
[20:20] <wxl> agree balloons
[20:21] <wxl> now that i know the boot parameters to actually make it work XD
[20:21] <silverarrow> phillw: since 12:04, which is a few days ago
[20:21] <phillw> lol!
[20:22] <phillw> silverarrow: do you still have your 12.04 LiveCD>
[20:22] <phillw> s/>/?/
[20:22] <silverarrow> not sure
[20:22] <silverarrow> I have the iso
[20:23] <wxl> you mean 12.10 right?
[20:23] <wxl> cuz we're not necessarily seeing this on 12.04
[20:23] <wxl> we want to test the 12.10 system
[20:23] <silverarrow> I had to delete a modprobe.d folder to get sound in 12.04, and reinstall alsa-utils pacakge
[20:23] <wxl> i should have enough memory to do an upgrade on a 12.10 live cd
[20:23] <phillw> wxl: we also want to see if it is a rergression :)
[20:24] <wxl> that's not the same kind of problem, silverarrow
[20:24] <wxl> that's fixing alsa or fixing device drivers
[20:24] <wxl> that's not fixing the issue that the computer doesn't detect the card at all
[20:24] <silverarrow> no, it is not
[20:24] <phillw> modrobe has caused issues in the past.
[20:25] <phillw> have you tried that with 12.10?
[20:25] <silverarrow> yes
[20:25] <wxl> well the thing that really sucks is i can't figure out what driver i'm supposed to use XD
[20:25] <Noskcaj> why is there no ppc netboot testcase but its still listed?
[20:25] <wxl> ppc netboot sounds scary
[20:25] <phillw> Noskcaj: most likely because I have not written one!
[20:26] <Noskcaj> point taken wxl and ok phillw
[20:26] <wxl> this coming from the guy who types this through logmein → other windows computer → lubuntu virtual machine → ssh to another server
[20:26] <Noskcaj> ???
[20:27] <silverarrow> for a while I had alsamixer turing up in terminal, but with "this sound device does not have any controls"
[20:27] <wxl> does that make me doubly virtual and also doubly remote?
[20:27] <wxl> that could be fixed silverarrow; again, alsa problems
[20:28] <phillw> wxl: nope, it just means that we are still awaiting the people in white coats to arrive at your place of work and gently take you to a padded cell.
[20:28] <wxl> what are you talking about, phillw ? i told you i'm at work. pretty much there anyways.
[20:28] <phillw> Noskcaj: have you some interest is running netboot on a ppc system?
[20:29] <Noskcaj> phillw: yes, i got an ibook g4 from the local computerbank just for ppc testing
[20:29] <wxl> lsmod | grep snd → snd_powermac
[20:29] <wxl> that's a good sign to some degree
[20:29] <Noskcaj> i will do the lubuntu tests until a netboot testcase is made
[20:30] <wxl> Noskcaj: !!! what video card?
[20:31] <Noskcaj> i dont know
[20:31] <wxl> Noskcaj: lspci | grep VGA will get you there
[20:31] <silverarrow> well, having a alsamixer would be a fix
[20:31] <silverarrow> but no I get nothing
[20:31] <Noskcaj> in osk10.4 or once i have lbuntu on?
[20:31] <Noskcaj> *OSX
[20:32] <silverarrow> If I use the trouble shooting guide for 12.04, would it need any alteration ?
[20:32] <wxl> Noskcaj: with linux of some kind. else you can look it up in system profiler in os x.
[20:32] <phillw> Noskcaj: I've just had a quick look, please use the i386 ones. The stuff that needs testing is there, let me know if there are any arch specific things that need altering (such as when it asks about what CPU you're running).
[20:32] <Noskcaj> i will check wxl and thanks phillw
[20:32] <silverarrow> no such file or directory
[20:33] <wxl> Noskcaj: please let me know as we have two nagging video issues that would love your help
[20:33] <Noskcaj> ok
[20:33] <wxl> silverarrow: note the "mixer" before that, though. the syntax is interesting. it's like a command is missing.
[20:33] <phillw> Noskcaj: please do report back... phillw@ubuntu.com and I'll get the test cases installed.
[20:34] <Noskcaj> phillw: ok
[20:34] <silverarrow> Noskcaj: what does it say at the bottom, year of make?
[20:36] <silverarrow> wxl   http://paste.ubuntu.com/1260781/
[20:36] <Noskcaj> sillverarrow: i cant read that but it uses a ati mobility radeon 9200 if that helps
[20:37] <wxl> ok good
[20:37] <wxl> when you get an install going, ping me, Noskcaj and we'll play with xorg.conf files
[20:37] <Noskcaj> ok
[20:38] <wxl> thx!!!
[20:38] <Noskcaj> how do you use the netboot image(it is a tarball instead of an iso)?
[20:43] <silverarrow> i find cd/dcd easiest install
[20:44] <silverarrow> dvd*
[20:45] <Noskcaj> but xubuntu only works from the netboot silverarrow
[20:47] <silverarrow> I see
[20:50] <wxl> when i go to lunch i *THINK* i have my live dvd and i'll test out how the sound works
[20:53] <phillw> Noskcaj: I've just been chatting about that. netboot, from memory, uses the mini-iso install system to give you just about enough linux so that it can boot and see the outside world. there is no desktop installed, in fact it is slimmer than server edition!
[20:53] <silverarrow> Noskcaj: I have never done netboot, but is this of any help ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/Netboot
[20:54] <phillw> silverarrow: yeah, I see netboot == mini iso, it is named so on the iso areas.
[20:55] <phillw> Noskcaj: just to check we are chatting about the same thing, could you have a read of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall Whilst it is Lubuntu, the install of the DE is the same for all flavours.
[21:07] <silverarrow> Noskcaj: did you get anywhere?
[21:09] <silverarrow> could the first terminal command be used in quantal ppc?
[21:09] <silverarrow> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
[21:11] <wxl> silverarrow: i looked at all the sound/audio troubleshooting pages on the wiki and found nothing helpful
[21:12] <wxl> phillw: you notice the progress on the FFe for pcmanfm/libfm?
[21:13] <phillw> wxl: yeah, I get not just lubuntu FFe's... I get ALL of the ..... ones :P
[21:13] <wxl> :)
[21:13] <phillw> wxl: I must get you subscribed to that list :P
[21:13]  * wxl is scared
[21:14] <silverarrow> I need someone to blame this on
[21:14] <silverarrow> who made this mess
[21:14] <silverarrow> !"#¤%&
[21:15] <silverarrow> ;- )
[21:15] <phillw> wxl: A lot of the FFe's are nothing to do primarily with lubuntu, but as they are 'could also affect' I do get them.
[21:15] <wxl> da
[21:17] <silverarrow> brb booting
[21:18] <Noskcaj> silverarrow, phillw: i will try both netboot and lubuntu PPC soon
[21:20] <Noskcaj> but i still dont see how to make the netboot an iso instead of a tarball
[21:23] <Noskcaj> phillw: the i386 testcase needs http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists//main/installer-armel/current/images//netboot/ replaced with http://ports.ubuntu.com/dists/main/installer-armel/current/images/netboot/
[21:24] <Noskcaj> but i think that link doesn't work either
[21:28] <silverarrow> can someone give me a hand with booting radeon driver in live cd
[21:28] <silverarrow> I am trying to get a useful xorg0 log
[21:29] <Noskcaj> the i386 has been copied from one of the arm installs
[21:30] <silverarrow> I have tried video=ofonly radeon.agpmode=-1, which turns out -1,/vmlinux: unable to open file, invalid device
[21:31] <silverarrow> Noskcaj: are you on ppc, i386 or both?
[21:32] <Noskcaj> silverarrow: i was going to use ppc to test it and phillw told me to use the i386 testcase
[21:32] <Noskcaj> which was copy/pasted from an ARM netboot testcase
[21:34] <silverarrow> I see
[21:34] <silverarrow> same procedure I suppose
[21:34] <Noskcaj> roughly
[21:34] <silverarrow> chromium in stead of firefox
[21:35] <wxl> :(
[21:35] <wxl> my dvd is an alternate
[21:36] <silverarrow> you need a new one
[21:36] <silverarrow> download 24 minutes
[21:36] <silverarrow> if lucky 10
[21:36] <silverarrow> depens more on server than your own network speeds
[21:37] <silverarrow> If I install Ubuntu alongside lubuntu would it work smoothly?
[21:38] <silverarrow> there is a function in the CD which lets you install and have access to same files and folders
[21:38] <silverarrow> I could sort of dual boot ubuntu and lubuntu
[21:39] <phillw> silverarrow: you get the choice of which DE to use, but you do also share all programmes.
[21:39] <silverarrow> anyone tried it?
[21:39] <silverarrow> so it would be slower, or a mix up of all applications?
[21:42] <silverarrow> phillw: , is the bug with ralink drivers been looked at, which is pan ubuntu
[21:48] <silverarrow> for ubuntu, RTL8187 does not work as it should
[21:52] <phillw> silverarrow: is there a bug # for it?
[21:54] <silverarrow> no, I have not made one
[21:54] <silverarrow> but it is there
[21:54] <silverarrow> maybe I should
[21:54] <phillw> silverarrow: we feed on bug numbers... that is the only sane course we have to track stuff. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing#Bugs
[21:54] <silverarrow> my Kasens G5000 usb wireless do not work,
[21:55] <phillw> silverarrow: not maybe.... MUST
[21:55] <silverarrow> i cold do it now, even on ppc, though it is not cpu architecture spesific
[21:56] <silverarrow> nobody cares until it gets confirmed and decided
[21:57] <wxl> 29.5%
[21:57] <wxl> starting from scratch here
[21:57] <silverarrow> one problem, how do I know which pagage the realtek drivers are in?
[21:58] <phillw> silverarrow: then do it. Trying to keep the temprature of bug reporting down, may I give an anology? You go and go complain to friends that the current government is rubbish, yet you failed to go out and cast your vote.
[21:58] <wxl> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=realtek&mode=filename&suite=precise&arch=any
[21:59] <wxl> you can change the precise bit to quantal if you like
[21:59] <wxl> smaller list for sure
[21:59] <wxl> in any case you file against linux
[21:59] <wxl> 55%
[21:59] <wxl> not slow here :)
[22:01] <silverarrow> this usb card, does detect and log on to network, but no real connections whatever you do
[22:01] <silverarrow> my wifi sky which uses the same drivers are fine
[22:01] <silverarrow> but different chip
[22:09] <silverarrow> weird, in bug laucher package does not exist
[22:09] <silverarrow> i have looked it up in package manager, and it is listed as installed !!
[22:11] <silverarrow> can anyone do me a favor, if you have time?
[22:11] <silverarrow> look up linux-image-3.5.0-16-powerpc
[22:12] <silverarrow> try launch a bug in run "ubuntu-bug then package name
[22:12] <wxl> uhhhh
[22:12] <wxl> lxterminal is missing in the menu or is that just me?
[22:12] <silverarrow> it takes 20 seconds
[22:13] <silverarrow> just you
[22:13] <silverarrow> ?
[22:13] <wxl> ok weird
[22:13] <silverarrow> I have mine where it usually is, accessories
[22:20] <silverarrow> why would a package not exist ?
[22:20] <silverarrow> it does exist, but not listed
[22:21] <silverarrow> in quantal is even thy bug reporter buggy
[22:21] <silverarrow> !!
[22:22] <silverarrow> or bug launcher
[22:22] <wxl> no
[22:22] <silverarrow> yes
[22:22] <wxl> you reported another bug, remember?
[22:22] <wxl> was it buggy then/ cuz if it's not why would it be buggy now?
[22:22] <wxl> what are you filing against?
[22:22] <silverarrow> but what about this then?
[22:23] <silverarrow> linux-image-3.5.0-16-powerpc
[22:23] <wxl> file it against linux
[22:23] <wxl> i told you that like 20,000 lines above
[22:23] <silverarrow> only
[22:23] <wxl> :)
[22:23] <silverarrow> hmm
[22:23] <silverarrow> the package, with that exact name is listed in package manager, which it should reconize
[22:23] <silverarrow> ok
[22:24] <silverarrow> will do
[22:25] <wxl> no
[22:25] <wxl> packages in launchpad don't necessarily have the same names as the actual packages
[22:25] <wxl> doesn't make sense but it's true
[22:26] <wxl> like weechat
[22:26] <silverarrow> thanks, I just didn`t understand what you meant
[22:26] <wxl> weechat points to weechat-curses so that's ultimately what you end up getting as a package
[22:27] <wxl> so if you try to file against weechat-curses it doesn't work as it's called weechat in launchpad
[22:27] <silverarrow> I`m with you
[22:27] <silverarrow> :- )
[22:28] <wxl> k
[22:28] <wxl> i can't like it but it's the way it is
[22:37] <Noskcaj> are we meant to test the boot.img or mini.iso for netboot PPC
[22:51] <silverarrow> wat is smp?
[22:51] <silverarrow> linux-image-3.5.0-16-powerpc-smp
[22:51] <silverarrow> it doesn`t say anything about smp in package manager
[22:51] <silverarrow> but it is either generic, or powerpc-smp in launchpad
[22:58] <wxl> file it against powerpc-smp
[22:58] <wxl> that's obviosuly what yr using
[23:00] <silverarrow> bug is reporte
[23:00] <silverarrow> however, it is the same in i368
[23:01] <silverarrow> 386
[23:03] <silverarrow> can anyone give me a clue how to generate a xorg0 log for radeon card
[23:04] <silverarrow> I struggle
[23:04] <silverarrow> there is an ojordan, he gave me a boot modulation, that turned out not as expected
[23:06] <phillw> wxl... ping
[23:06] <wxl> phillw: pong
[23:07] <phillw> can you phrase a question about future support for ppc?
[23:07] <wxl> sure
[23:09] <wxl> i'm thinking about registering a domain name for myself in hex. 77786ch.com. no one will get it.
[23:10] <phillw> wxl: /j #ubuntu-on-air
[23:16] <silverarrow> my bug became confirmed right away
[23:17] <silverarrow> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1061938
[23:29] <wxl> bad news
[23:29] <wxl> no sound in live
[23:29] <wxl> again nothing in lspci
[23:29] <wxl> is this a bug against linux?
[23:37] <silverarrow> hi
[23:37] <silverarrow> live what?
[23:37] <silverarrow> ppc or i386
[23:38] <silverarrow> I don`t think phillw got around to try anything
[23:38] <wxl> ppc
[23:38] <silverarrow> hehe, and we complain about osx
[23:39] <silverarrow> lubuntu, hardly ever works
[23:39] <silverarrow> luckily final release is usually  good
[23:41] <silverarrow> I am having computer crisis
[23:41] <silverarrow> my regular laptop is failing
[23:41] <silverarrow> have to take it in for repair tomorrow
[23:42] <silverarrow> wxl, do you know a way to get all the b43 stuff on a usb stick?
[23:43] <silverarrow> this time I have access to terminal and package manager
[23:44] <wxl> silverarrow: i haven't tried but you can try downloading firmware-b43-installer and b43-fwcutter and the device driver files and good luck
[23:44] <wxl> you'll need to install the debs and run then pointing them at the device drivers
[23:46] <silverarrow> I have a feeling it could be handy when I don`t have immediate wired connection