[01:24] balloons: Yes, I have. [01:46] TheDrums: yes, you have what?... [01:49] * balloons is preparing [01:49] we're mere hours away [01:49] I should be sleeping I suppose [01:49] Sleep? [01:50] balloons: Why do you ask about respin anywho? [01:50] it's a secret [01:50] lol -- but it won't be for much longer [01:55] does anyone know about trouble with ppc sound cards? [01:56] snd-aoa [01:57] what does modprobe do? list info or mess up? [01:57] silverarrow: the best place to ask is http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=328 Adam is also there, just use the lubuntu tag when reporting the query [01:58] silverarrow: he is rsavage on the forum area. [01:58] I see, I posted in ubuntu-1 [01:58] +1 [01:58] silverarrow: you'd be better posting onto the apple area :) [02:02] people are so annoying with where you ask "not supported" nana [02:02] silverarrow: that is why it is better to post in the correct area :D [02:02] but what does modprobe do in terminal+ [02:02] which is ubuntu+1? [02:02] ok, apple section [02:02] really daft, is when someone tell you ubuntu channel doesn't support that, and the same person answers in a different channel [02:02] silverarrow: for modprobe? somewhere like http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2010/11/modprobe-command-examples/ will explain, do expect to get a headache as it is tech stuff :D [02:02] oh, phil is wearing a green shirt today, we only talk to him on days when he were blue shirts [02:02] silverarrow: indeed it is, but it is thing called trying to keep things on topic. If that were not to happen there would be one channel with everyone on it. [02:03] silverarrow: try getting a word in edgeways on #ubuntu :P [02:05] that is the big distro [02:06] silverarrow: besides, you should be getting your notes ready for the presentation at the end of the month! [02:07] I should? [02:07] what should I note [02:07] all the apps not working. all kinds of logs? [02:08] yup, you are on my radar for the email about the presentation [02:08] silverarrow: well, you have a few days left to ensure it is all working on your system :) [02:09] I have no sound!! [02:09] silverarrow: then get it fixed! I have no PPC machine to test on. [02:10] go fetch your indigo clamshell from the loft [02:10] I am strying [02:11] there are info on the ppc faq page but I just don't understand it [02:13] silverarrow: I did say that joining the testing team would be a steep learning curve. Honest, my young friend, you are doing really well. Please do not get frustrated or down hearted. If you get stuck on the PPCFAQ area, pop a request onto the forum area. [02:17] Well, bed time for me. was going to have an early night, but already 03:16 here! [02:17] balloons: I'll catch you later on :) [02:29] the sound issue I am having is a common one it seems [02:29] and old bug [02:30] what is a layout id property? [02:31] ...in the device tree [02:31] what? [02:49] Which iso's can i test on an ibook g4? it has 386MB of ram. [08:26] does the ubuntu daily PPC still fit on a cd? === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|afk === smartboyhw is now known as ubuntu-marathon === ubuntu-marathon is now known as smartboyhw [11:52] hello xnox [11:52] * smartboyhw wonders why suddenly balloons says hi:P [11:53] piff balloons you fail xnox quit :P [11:53] :-( [11:53] LOL on you balloons [11:54] balloons, in the next cycle if you don't do an intro in the Developer week classroom sessions I am going to kill you:P [11:54] ouch [11:54] that would hurt [11:54] balloons, yes prepare for smartboyhw's famous ballpoint pen kill:P === mmrazik|afk is now known as mmrazik [12:06] balloons: Yes, but only until you really die. [12:06] wow [12:07] and now you've seen my picture [12:14] ...and he knows vaguely where you live, too. I think. [12:17] :-p [12:42] phillw, care to make a template for me on the wiki? [12:43] balloons, I can [12:43] balloons: sure which one? [12:43] Hi phillw how are ya? [12:43] we'd like to record people who try to install today: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ExoticInstalls [12:44] balloons, I am one:P [12:44] I'm well. Just about to go sort out some tax stuff for my Dad's compnay [12:44] phillw, oh...tax:( [12:44] ahh [12:44] any volunteers? [12:45] balloons, what sort of template you want eh? [12:45] something simple [12:45] smartboyhw: can you do? Else it'll have to wait until I'm done with my Dad. [12:45] name, install attempted, succes or fail [12:45] comments [12:45] keep it simple [12:45] phillw, you gonna help in that Open Week QA session? [12:45] balloons, ok [12:46] bbl. Tax & Computer time :/ [12:48] balloons, check that page now, just a preview [12:49] smartboyhw, ty [12:49] balloons, :) [12:53] balloons, go and reply the email that I just sent [12:53] :P [12:59] I'll try an install of the latest desktop-amd64 [13:00] Good sagaci [13:00] * smartboyhw too [13:01] 576kB/sec [13:22] sagaci, excellent [13:28] how do you modprobe correctly? [13:29] silverarrow, modprobe? [13:29] yes, I have no sound [13:29] Grrrr.... [13:29] the suggestion on the faq page is to blacklist something under modprobe.d [13:29] I just don`t get it [13:30] sudo modprobe psmouse [13:30] sudo rmmod psmouse [13:30] or whatever module you want [13:30] so, modprobe alsa? [13:31] to blacklist, just create a file like sound.conf in modprobe.d with something like modprobe pcspkr [13:31] snd [13:31] sorry, blacklist alsa [13:31] ? [13:31] I do want alsamixer [13:31] or whatever module you want to blacklist [13:32] that'll be effective on next startup unless you manually modprobe or rmmod [13:33] seriously, I don`t know [13:34] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ#Why_do_I_have_no_sound.3F [13:34] !"#¤%&/ argh [13:35] not sure what module you need to blacklist, so... [13:37] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1259965/ [13:38] this is suppose to list snd-aoa modules in use === yofel_ is now known as yofel [13:51] balloons: the ubiquity installer didn't locate my timezone/country correctly, how high up the tree should I report this as a bug, or is it bug-worthy at this stage... probably a lot of duplicates..? [13:54] ohh it didn't? [13:54] how far off? [13:54] sagaci, yes, please do report [13:55] sagaci: are you connected to the internet? [13:55] sagaci: or are you offline [13:59] I connected to my wifi and detected new york... should be Sydney Australia [14:01] I have connected my network wifi to an old _AM radion, I now I can pick up wifi all over the world [14:02] the list of networks is a mile long [14:04] bug 1061629 [14:04] Launchpad bug 1061629 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "install status messages are graphically messed up when moused-over" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1061629 [14:04] need to see the attachment screenshot [14:09] sagaci: did you search for existing bugs before reporting? [14:11] xnox: as a precursor, is it possible to spit out the info what ubiquity does in the install process without actually doing the full install process? [14:11] in regards to the timezone detect page [14:12] sagaci: if network available & connected & working - attempt a geo-ip lookup to detect timezone. If no network available default to a default location/timezone. The installer boots into en_US locale with New York as default. [14:14] sagaci: hence my question if you were connected to the internet and the http://start.ubuntu.com/connectivity-check.html is reachable & matches the checksum [14:14] i'll re-test in a VM [14:14] sagaci: if no network available and you choose Russian locale, the default timezone should be Moscow. [14:14] (offline that is) [14:19] sagaci: go on your network to http://www.geoiptool.com/ and see what it detects you as. [14:19] sagaci: maybe your ISP is hidden or .... routed via new york?! [14:19] sagaci: or internetz are not fully functional / setup correctly in the installer [14:21] says Australia, so I'm just downloading the -i386 to test in a VM [14:22] sagaci: harum =( [14:22] if network is available - get to the timezone page and if it gets you wrong. [14:22] swtich to tty1 and file a bug using: ubuntu-bug ubiquity [14:22] it will give you a URL to go to with details pre-collected. [14:23] such that you can finish filing it from your host machine / main laptop [14:23] meh, I'll just reinstall [14:27] xnox: confirmed, reinstalling, connected to my network before opening ubiquity and it's failed to detect... it's defaulting to new york [14:29] sagaci: can you go into try ubuntu session and open a web-browser and navigate the web? [14:29] sagaci: or swtich to tty and ping something. [14:29] general internet works [14:30] *sigh* yeah file bug using ubuntu-bug ubiquity from that session to get the logs. [14:30] if it's any different, I'm connecting via networkmanager rather than via the ubiquity step [14:32] sagaci: did you have a green tick on the prepare page? [14:32] against network? [14:32] sagaci: than it shouldn't matter. [14:32] s/than/then/ [14:37] xnox: I was able to click both those checkboxes on that step, so it must have been ticked [14:38] Bug #1061657 [14:38] Launchpad bug 1061657 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "ubiquity fails to detect correct timezone" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1061657 [14:48] sagaci: apperantly http://geoip.ubuntu.com/lookup is what we use [15:01] my alsamixer problem is one of those stupid things that can be fixed by a new install [15:02] yet, noone know how to fix the modprobe stuff [15:03] xnox: tested again in a Windows host Vm with normal internet working... still New York... [15:04] sagaci: what does our server say if you go to: http://geoip.ubuntu.com/lookup ? [15:04] in the web browser on your network? [15:05] if that says australia - bug in debian-installer somewhere. if that doesn't say australia - bug in our geoip server =) [15:05] it says Aus [15:05] tralia [15:05] please do not disturb [15:06] XML Parsing Error: not well-formed [15:06] Location: http://geoip.ubuntu.com/lookup [15:06] Line Number 1, Column 258: [15:08] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1260115/ [15:08] not sure why that turned up in four posts? [15:09] silverarrow: huh?! we serve malformed xml by not encoding dashes? [15:09] could you make any sense of it? [15:10] I can tell you Europe and Norway was the only thing correct in that line [15:11] city, area, postal codes, way off [15:18] silverarrow: meh. I don't care about the actual data. I care that xml was malformed and not parsable to begin with reject _all_ of the return by a client application. [15:19] silverarrow: as long as we get 1/60 timezones right, I am happy. and we don't use city/area/postal codes/. Only the timezone bit =) [15:27] :-) [15:28] yeah, timezone was fine Oslo/PAris [15:30] a tricky one it looks like [15:31] geoip is not an exact science, but rather a highly out of date global yellow pages. [15:32] and like embassies usually re-route their traffic via vpn to their home country.... [15:33] I see === salem_ is now known as _salem === _salem is now known as salem_ === smartboyhw_ is now known as smartboyhw [16:21] hi folks [16:22] hi [16:26] How can I make a request to get twinkle (sip client) back in the repos? [16:27] It was removed in 12.10, and it's only the best SIP client for me. [16:31] what would is anyone affected by bug 1060425 , powerpc and i386? [16:31] Launchpad bug 1060425 in linux (Ubuntu) "NFS raw_spin_lock hung task" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1060425 [16:32] wrong bug [16:32] bug 1060045 [16:32] Error: Launchpad bug 1060045 could not be found [16:32] lol [16:32] sorry [16:33] bug 10600452 [16:33] Error: Launchpad bug 10600452 could not be found [16:33] let me change computer [16:36] bug 1060452 [16:36] Launchpad bug 1060452 in alsa-utils (Ubuntu) "no alsamixer, quantal, powerpc" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1060452 [16:37] I have one of those wobbly floating separate keyboards, act up some times [17:03] is there a way to track the kernel and audio module changes in quantal? [17:03] I mean, what has changed from precise [17:11] silverarrow: when you run alsamixer -a basic in terminal what happens? [17:11] also apt-cache policy alsa-utils | grep -i installed gives what? [17:14] silverarrow: in any case you should make a bug report [17:15] I did yesterday [17:15] not sure if it was any good though [17:15] please link me [17:16] and what about the above? [17:16] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-utils/+bug/1060452 [17:16] Ubuntu bug 1060452 in alsa-utils (Ubuntu) "no alsamixer, quantal, powerpc" [Undecided,New] [17:17] the above? sorry, I haven`t logged conversation yet, I have just activated a plugin on pidgin that might do it [17:18] does pidgin do exec commands? prolly not [17:18] not sure [17:18] it is quantal default though [17:18] it's ok [17:18] io used to use it [17:18] libpurple in general [17:18] then i switched to finch [17:18] and then bitlbee [17:19] w/ irssi as a client (though i'm tempted by weechat) [17:19] i digress [17:21] my alsamixer bug turned out to be a nasty one [17:21] not sure why I am the only one affected, which is a bit odd [17:22] oops wrong channel [17:22] do you not read your emails? :) [17:23] I do :- ) [17:24] and I got a bit further [17:24] cuz i told you you weren't the only one [17:24] good [17:24] wxl, I though you had sound though? [17:25] oh well i can't find an exec command for pidgin [17:25] what does exec do? [17:26] executes shell command, optionally sends to channel [17:26] irssi is a beautiful thing [17:27] anyways, tell me what you get from: [17:27] apt-cache policy alsa-utils | grep -i installed [17:27] and [17:27] alsamixer -a basic [17:28] Installed: 1.0.25-3ubuntu2 [17:29] http://imagebin.org/230903 [17:37] is there way to list and check for dependencies in terminal? [17:37] I was missing the libasound2 package, which lists as a dependenscy [17:38] what do you mean? what makes you tink that? what exactly did you see? [17:38] (the answer is yes, i want to udnerstand the question) [17:40] I found this list of packages in launchpad [17:40] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/118160684/Dependencies.txt [17:41] which I is alsamixer dependencies or something related, I don`t think it is a complete list of packages in lubuntu [17:42] which I think* [17:43] alsa-utils is part of lubuntu-core http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/lubuntu-core [17:43] libasound2 is a part of it http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/alsa-utils [17:44] and it suggests libasound2-python http://packages.ubuntu.com/quantal/libasound2 [17:44] (which means it won't get installed) [17:44] what? [17:44] not installed, hmm [17:45] it is only suggested, not dependent [17:45] I see [17:45] but that still doesn't fix it [17:45] libasound2-python is not listed on the launchpad list [17:46] i have no clue what that list is so i'm not sweating it [17:46] I see [17:47] how much does powerpc differ? [17:48] shouldn't [17:53] can anyone recommend what package to file a bug against if i want to describe an xorg.conf to solve a problem with x and a particular nvidia chip (ppc) [17:53] ? [17:54] that is a tricky one [17:55] pick any likely one, and it will get narrowed down when more people join in [17:55] that is the usual reply [18:02] phillw: how is alsamixer dong in your vm? === salem_ is now known as _salem === _salem is now known as salem_ === salem_ is now known as _salem === _salem is now known as salem_ [18:23] silverarrow: I don't use sound on the VM's. As they are generic systems, there is little point trying to test things that are hardware specific (such as your sound card in this instance). [18:24] unless there's a generic problem [18:24] it's *ALWAYS* worth testing [18:38] phillw: you can open alsamixer in terminal, or alsamixer -a basic ? [18:39] silverarrow: which arch of lubuntu do you want me to run? [18:39] phillw: quantal [18:39] ppc i386 [18:40] let me see which iso's I've got stored locally (it takes ~4 hours for me grab a new iso) [18:40] okok [18:40] 4 hours holy crow are you on dialup? [18:41] I've got alternate AMD64, but that will need zsyncing [18:41] new iso took 40 minutes yesterday, almost at least [18:41] well i'd like to see what amd64 does too [18:41] wxl: it does seem that way at times! I get about 750Kb/s out here in the countryside. [18:42] my 3G device is faster, but grabbing iso's via 3G gets expensive real fast! [18:42] ooh, mobile network is faster often [18:42] 3g is faster = not good [18:42] * wxl is spoiled by 4g [18:49] wxl: silverarrow I have 37% to re-download of alternate amd64 using zsync. I'll leave it quietly running and keep an eye on it. [18:50] estimate is ~ 1hour, which sounds logical. [18:53] phillw: I can mail you the todays ppc daily [18:53] a cd in an envelope [18:54] silverarrow: and how would that be faster given the problem is the speed of my b/band link? :P [18:54] lol [18:54] the mailman delivers [18:55] silverarrow: not in this village! 2 days minimum for a 1st class letter. I get anything urgent sent to my Dad's works address and he brings it home that evening. Faster than getting it delivered to the house :) [18:56] 2 days might happen here too [18:57] though mostly it is in the mailbox the day after [18:57] 7 days to my aunt and uncle in mill valley, [18:58] 2-5 days from UK to me [18:58] phillw: there is one day delay in your local post office [18:58] or local mail service, wonder what it is [19:00] I've found it faster to upload stuff to my main server, then grab it from there. The main server has a good back bone link into the Canonical system and grabs ~11MB/s from them. I then a much faster d/load speed from my server than using the standard links. [19:01] my net varies a lto [19:01] lot* [19:03] the structure for the archiving up of milestones for the 13.04 series is nearly completed. Lubuntu 12.10 ones are there now from A3 onwards. http://phillw.net/isos/ [19:03] wxl: how on earth do you go about fixing issue with the nvida card? [19:03] silverarrow: followed the instructions [19:03] silverarrow: a lot of work 'up stream' is currently ongoing :) [19:03] autoconfiguring an xorg.conf is detailed in ppcfaq [19:03] so i did it [19:03] and then it suggested to rmeove some stuff [19:03] which i did [19:03] phillw: you are way ahead [19:04] and then i asked for a wee bit of help (but i had a hint it was going to be that anywho) [19:04] one option and we were good [19:04] silverarrow: I'm just following the emails flying back & forth! [19:04] phillw: really cool [19:04] there's also this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12277607#post12277607 [19:05] I wonder if it could be helpful in relation to radeon card [19:05] possibly [19:05] that's the suggested fix-- an xorg.conf [19:05] did you try the fix at all? [19:05] we get hit over the head on mac forums [19:05] hard [19:05] we do not have accelerated graphics [19:06] I am on to it [19:06] i lost all my email sorting [19:06] I have to do it again [19:06] silverarrow: Colin has now asked -kernel & -xorg guys to try and get it fixed without resorting to boot parameters. He's really against a 'hack' that provides a sticking plaster instead of solving the issue. I do fully support his logic that it is far better to fix the problem then hack some work around together. [19:06] I had all the lubuntu mail in one folder [19:07] yeah boot parameters are not good [19:07] phillw, silverarrow background noise for you: ubuntuonair.com ;-) [19:07] and generally can be done on an xorg.conf anyways [19:07] one thing thurnderbird is really bad on , is searching [19:07] silverarrow: the fix is the first post on the radeon bug [19:07] and sorting out [19:07] it's REALLY FAST in sylpheed *HINT HINT* [19:08] oh, I hate the configs in sypheed [19:08] hi balloons I've had to drop the video stream as the guys want to check out a sound problem with Lubuntu. Do you have any recent lubuntu iso's on your system? May while away the hours when things go quiet? [19:08] I have to do them myself lol [19:08] thuderbird is idiotproof [19:08] I have lubuntu install [19:08] not a recent iso [19:08] !!!!! [19:08] Bug 1045098 [19:08] Launchpad bug 1045098 in lubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "package lubuntu-core (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: dependency problems - leaving unconfigured" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1045098 [19:09] ↑↑↑ [19:10] balloons: if you get time, can you zsync one up please? I'm grabbing amd64 as I only need 33%. They also want an i686 one testing. it appears alsa is mis behaving. [19:10] that bug seems bad (lubuntu-core not installing) [19:10] wxl: / silverarrow can you pop the bug number up on here for us, thanks [19:11] which one?, the alsamixer? [19:11] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=12277391#post12277391 [19:11] or the graphics card [19:12] it's a problem with artwork https://launchpadlibrarian.net/114542754/DpkgTerminalLog.txt [19:12] sorry [19:13] error cupy pase [19:13] phillw, syncing.. but I'm starting from nothing [19:13] heh [19:13] bug 1060452 [19:13] Launchpad bug 1060452 in alsa-utils (Ubuntu) "alsamixer fails to load on quantal ppc" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1060452 [19:13] wxl: that seems a 12.04 --> 12.10 upgrade fail? [19:14] removing stuff seems like it [19:14] DVD films play, but not ideal screen sizing [19:14] oh weird [19:14] no [19:15] it's an upgrade to 12.04 from something [19:15] wxl: I'll go ask the OP what he was attempting to do. It's just not at all clear what he / her was trying. [19:15] I haven`t heard any manage to upgrade to the new release [19:15] it either stops or will not start at all [19:16] strange [19:16] worked for me [19:16] but i do it in terminal [19:16] I see [19:16] yeah, they all tried in terminal too [19:16] regular ubuntu, xubuntu, lubuntu [19:17] 12.04 → 12.10 or something → 12.04 [19:17] wxl: marked as incomplete with request to reporter. [19:17] sounds good [19:17] 12.04 to 12.10 [19:18] haven't done that one yet [19:18] I've subscribed to the bug, fell free to do also! [19:18] 76% of AMD64 updated. [19:18] done [19:19] very unfortunate with the band width [19:19] We will need to check the 12.04 --> 12.10 updgrade route at some point! [19:19] but that will be for the i686 & amd64 guys to go do :) [19:20] I couldn't advice a 12.04 --> 12.10 for ppc atm. [19:20] um [19:20] *advise* [19:20] i may have done one [19:20] can't remember :) [19:21] if it were round about A3 stage, it would most likely have worked okay :/ [19:22] oh shush [19:22] :P [19:22] I have bumped into a few with clamshells on the web trying to make any use of them [19:23] which would be quite an accomplishment with todays network and web apps [19:24] wxl: silverarrow I'll make you (and Adam) a promise. If you have a iso that I can check on the elderly 'all in one' iMac, I'll take it from the loft & plug the little critter in to test :) [19:24] lol [19:25] I'm assuming it will be okay with a standard keyboard & 2 button mouse? [19:25] :) [19:25] wich one is that, the lamp? [19:25] * wxl shrugs [19:25] probably [19:25]