[02:52] <Cheri703> we haven't heard back from andygraybeal...hopefully he didn't die in a terrible scythe accident...
[03:43] <Unit193> Cheri703: You ever do anything with that rackmounted server?
[03:44] <Cheri703> disposed of it :/ it was SO big and SO INCREDIBLY loud, and super underpowered :/ I harvested some parts and took it to the recycling place
[03:44] <Cheri703> I do still have that monitor if you want it though :)
[03:45] <Unit193> Reminds me to take a look at what I have in the basement...
[03:52] <Cheri703> Unit193: at OLF I met drkokandy, who lives in Ashland
[03:52] <Cheri703> we should discuss at some point what a good time/place for Ubuntu Hour would be
[03:52] <Unit193> Yeah, came in here (and still seems to be here...)
[03:52] <Unit193> Sounds good.
[03:52] <drkokandy> hey - what's up?
[03:53] <Unit193> We link to ping random people to see if they're alive. ;)
[03:53] <drkokandy> got my attention :)
[03:53] <drkokandy>  Nice to meet you - hello from up the road
[03:55] <Unit193> Sorry for you, and howdy.
[03:57] <drkokandy> let me know if you do want to put together a nice Ubuntu Hour - I'd probably be able to swing down, as long as it's a less crazy week as this has been at work
[03:57] <drkokandy> er, than this one has been
[03:58] <Cheri703> I'd be up for meeting closer to downtown, as that's closer to me, Unit193 lives more on the Ontario side of town, but accomodating our new addition, and being *completely* unselfish, downtown might work better ;)
[03:59] <Cheri703> but we'd need to find somewhere with wifi (well, not NEEEEED, but would prefer)
[03:59] <Cheri703> in case o computering
[04:00] <Unit193> Meh, mine is hybrid now, needs a monitor.
[04:00] <Unit193> (So not portable)
[04:01] <Cheri703> ah
[04:01] <Cheri703> I have a not amazing, but usable (with wifi dongle) laptop sitting in a drawer, also another one that needs a new mobo, if you want either of them (I have another that is the same as I sold to your friend, but I think I have that one earmarked for a client)
[04:02] <drkokandy> I also have an extra older one I could bring - not that enjoyable, but workable
[04:02] <drkokandy> I'm not seeing a lot of places on this wifi finder app around downtown - but sometimes they miss places
[04:02] <Cheri703> k, we sometimes exchange equipment as available :)
[04:03] <Unit193> Well, it's not a bad "desktop", but just not portable.  This is a PM 2.16G, 1G ram.
[04:03] <Unit193> Processors seem to fly around...
[04:03] <Cheri703> yeah, there's not a ton around downtown :/ I can wander around next time I'm down there, use my phone to look for some wifi :)
[04:04] <Unit193> Library has it, if nothing else. :P
[04:04] <Cheri703> hehe, I prefer somewhere a. with food, b. that we can talk above a hushed whisper ;) though perhaps we could get a conference room or something
[04:04] <Unit193> Could respin Xubuntu again to be "my" xubuntu, some config and all.
[04:05] <drkokandy> Getting a conference room would kind of prevent us from being able to visibly be using Ubuntu in a public place, if that was one of the ideas too... but at least we could chat about it
[04:05] <drkokandy> I'd agree food would be ideal
[04:06] <Cheri703> yeah, I have a little table sign I put up in case we get people wandering up or who have seen it on the website (hasn't happened yet though ;) )
[04:06] <Cheri703> there's a coffee shop, but the only food is like bagels :/ I'll start hunting a bit
[04:06] <drkokandy> my 2nd laptop has a Pentium 1.6x2 with 1G of RAM if you'd like me to bring that
[04:07] <Unit193> If you wouldn't mind me using it for the night (that is, if I'd be able to make it and all)
[04:08] <drkokandy> that would be fine, also as long as I can make that day :)
[04:15] <Cheri703> Unit193: just set up a live boot usb and plug it in when you get there ;)
[04:15] <Cheri703> Unit193: are you familiar with "uncle john's place" downtown?
[04:16] <Cheri703> I might check it out for lunch at some point and go from there
[04:16] <Cheri703> anyone have moral objections to McD's?
[04:16] <Cheri703> the one on trimble might work?
[04:17] <drkokandy> I don't know Uncle John's Place, but I have no moral objections to McD's
[04:22] <Cheri703> ok, McD's might work, cheap, can get real food, a beverage, whatever, has wifi, has places that multiple people can sit in a group. I like panera better, but it's harder for me to get to
[04:22] <Cheri703> (I am car free, I have a way to get around, but panera is on the far edge of my usual range)
[04:25] <drkokandy> I agree Panera might be a better place - but if it's easier for you two I'm flexible - it's not a huge difference for me, but McD would be closer
[04:27] <Cheri703> if 2 of 3 can get to panera easier, I can get myself there :) I just have to plan in advance
[04:27] <Cheri703> I use a recumbent trike with an electic hub motor, not an amazing range on it, so I have to make sure I'm not using up the battery that day :)
[04:35] <drkokandy> Oh. OK - like I said, I'm flexible, so if would make it easier for you, I can do the McD too. No worries
[04:37] <Cheri703> eh, we can see what days work and go from there. :) I'm available preeeetty much whenever
[04:40] <drkokandy> sounds good. I could make it to Mansfield by ~5:30 or so most days. Mondays generally wouldn't work for me, and I have the rare work event in the evening, but those aren't often
[04:40] <drkokandy> So pretty much Tuesday-Friday would work
[04:49] <drkokandy> I'll need to call it a night, but if you two decide on something, let me know & I'll be there.
[04:49] <drkokandy> Looking forward to it!
[04:54] <Cheri703> sounds good! Thanks!
[04:59] <Unit193> Cheri703: No.
[04:59] <Cheri703> no what?
[04:59] <Unit193> Uncle John's Place
[05:00] <Unit193> Never heard of it, that is.
[05:01] <Cheri703> ah
[05:01] <Cheri703> ok
[11:31] <andygraybeal> Cheri703, haahahaha i didn't die
[11:31] <andygraybeal> back for more today!
[11:31] <andygraybeal> it's a fun filled week of mowing
[14:08] <thafreak> Morning Ohio
[14:12] <Melon_Bread> Good Morning
[14:19] <thafreak> Melon_Bread: that's a new handle...you new to this room?
[14:20] <Melon_Bread> Well I have been idle for a few days here, but yes you could say I am new. XD
[14:22] <thafreak> Ah, yes, we all idle down here....
[14:22] <Cheri703> hola folks
[14:22] <thafreak> sup Cheri703
[14:22] <Cheri703> not too much, starting my work day
[14:22] <Melon_Bread> That is always fun
[14:29]  * thafreak feels dirty...
[14:29]  * thafreak is running a windows 7 vm just to use outlook
[14:29] <thafreak> gah, it makes me feel even worse typing that out
[14:30] <thafreak> I so hate the CIO or VP or whatever idiot decided to force me to use outlook
[14:30] <thafreak> what a waste of 1GB of ram...
[14:35] <Cheri703> hehe, I run a win7 vm just for netflix
[14:40] <dzho> thafreak: evolution doesn't cut it?
[14:45] <Melon_Bread> I really wish companies would open open up a bit. (I am forced to use Outlook as well)
[14:46] <dzho> Melon_Bread: same question to you
[14:47] <Melon_Bread> No I would like to use evolution
[14:47] <Melon_Bread> but at work I am locked in to Outlook
[14:47] <dzho> I ask because it's supposed to play well with Exchange and have a lot of Outlookish features
[14:47] <dzho> so I'm wondering what it's missing
[14:48] <dzho> "I am locked in" gets you my sympathy :) but I don't learn much more from it
[14:49] <Melon_Bread> I guess some higher ups just see it as the Mircosoft way or the highway. =\
[14:56] <thafreak> evolution doesn't support exchange 2010
[14:57] <thafreak> i'd rather use thunderbird
[14:57] <thafreak> but they disabled imap support
[14:57] <thafreak> we're using a hosted exchange...that supports imap...but the "geniuses" in the IS department deemed it "un secure" or something
[14:57] <thafreak> and requested it to be disabled...
[14:58] <thafreak> They want everyone to use outlook...or entourage for the mac users...everyone else,they want them to use the crapy web interface
[15:01] <thafreak> Actually, I was using davmail for the last couple of years...
[15:01] <thafreak> it provided an imap server, and then talked to exchange via it's web interface
[15:01] <thafreak> but they went to a hosted version, which redirects back to us for authentication
[15:02] <thafreak> so I can't get it to work anymore
[15:02] <dzho> oh, imap is off by default in 2010
[15:02] <dzho> devious so-and-so's
[15:03] <dzho> actually, entourage on the mac is old news
[15:03] <dzho> they've got outlook for mac, now
[15:03] <thafreak> and worse, we're outsourcing it to microsoft...we're using office365
[15:04] <thafreak> for whatever reason, they felt it was fine to put all the students on gmail
[15:04] <dzho> for which, indirectly, we can thank Google, gmail
[15:04] <thafreak> but require all the staff and faculty to use exchange
[15:04] <thafreak> they claim gmail doesn't have shared calendars/scheduling of meetings...
[15:04] <thafreak> i call B.S.
[15:05] <dzho> yeah, we've got a similar situation--students on a hosted provider, faculty and staff on something else
[15:05] <thafreak> maybe OUTLOOK can't use gmail for calendaring/scheduling, but that doesn't mean it can't be done
[15:05] <dzho> but they're moving some fac/staff to a hosted solution because, you know, now that $VENDOR has gone that route, it must be ok
[15:06] <thafreak> the CS department is the last hold out...they refuse to stop hosting their own email...
[15:06] <dzho> good for them
[15:06] <thafreak> i know...except they're getting political pressure...well we won't pay for this or that unless you move your email
[15:07]  * dzho nods
[15:07] <dzho> sounds familiar
[15:07] <thafreak> but i mean come on....if the CS department can't handle hosting it's own email, what does that say about the quality of the CS department
[15:07] <dzho> well, CS isn't CE . . .
[15:08] <thafreak> i didn't say build their own mail hosting from scraps of silicon ;)
[15:09] <dzho> the guy I feel most sorry for is the one who does IT support for CS
[15:09] <dzho> "we know very well what they are and aren't capable of"
[15:14] <Melon_Bread> ew office365
[15:24] <thafreak> nope, just installed evolution...it's not working with office365
[15:24] <Cheri703> thafreak: can you use the outlook web app thing?
[15:24] <Cheri703> vs proper outlook?
[15:25] <thafreak> yeah, but I hate that more than regular outlook
[15:26] <thafreak> the font size on the subject is huge
[15:26] <thafreak> and I can't adjust it
[15:26] <thafreak> so so much window realestate gets wasted
[15:26] <thafreak> I'm honestly tempted (and at home i do this) to just use my android phone to let me know when I have mail
[15:27] <Cheri703> OH, I know what you could do :D
[15:27] <Cheri703> hang on
[15:28] <thafreak> k
[15:28] <Cheri703> works with wine: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.elfsoft.desknotifier&hl=en
[15:28] <Cheri703> (has a link to the computer program in there)
[15:30] <Cheri703> basically: phone notifications show up on computer (for those who don't want to follow the link ;) )
[15:31] <thafreak> might combo that with prism...or whatever the project is called now
[15:31]  * thafreak wonders what happened to the stand alone prism stuff...
[15:32] <thafreak> Anyone use prism before? basically stripped down firefox w/out any buttons for making webapps feel like desktop apps
[15:34] <thafreak> actually, does anyone know what the new webapp stuff built into unity uses (in 12.10)?
[15:35] <dzho> thafreak: I don't know.  poking around shows me this: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/ubuntu-12.04/javascript/index.html
[15:52] <Cheri703> theoretically you're supposed to be able to use the webapps in 12.04, but I couldn't get it working :/
[15:53] <thafreak> That first link seemed to be more about how to get webapps to interact with unity, i.e. for notifications and what not
[15:53] <thafreak> :/
[15:53] <thafreak> and it seems mozilla totally abandoned all it's projects relating to it...
[15:53] <thafreak> so....hmmm
[16:08] <thafreak> Ok....so with some tweaks, and a separate profile, i can make firefox look about as slim as possible
[16:08] <thafreak> and the web outlook is bearable now
[16:23] <canthus13> OWA blows.
[16:24] <Cheri703> but perhaps better than running an entire vm for outlook (at least sometimes)
[17:13] <canthus13> Cheri703: It does sorta work in chromium-browser. My GF uses it for school from Mint.
[17:18] <Cheri703> I don't use it, I had to for my old job
[17:24]  * thafreak has new thing pissing him off...
[17:25] <dzho> let the hate flow
[17:25] <thafreak> seems the world is never free of things that piss me off
[17:25] <thafreak> Was going to give vmware esxi a shot...but can't get it to install on the only server I have for testing
[17:25] <thafreak> :/
[17:25] <thafreak> it won't find my 3ware controller...
[17:26] <thafreak> oh, and when I had intel vt-d enabled in bios...installer wouldn't finish booting
[17:26] <thafreak> nice
[17:29] <thafreak> screw it...i'm not wasting my time trying to build a custom iso w/3ware drivers
[17:29] <thafreak> going to move on and try other software
[17:37] <dzho> good.
[17:37] <dzho> don't want to deplete your rage reservers.
[17:37] <dzho> reserves.
[19:08] <thafreak> Ok...valid discussion here guise
[19:08] <thafreak> no raging from me
[19:08] <thafreak> I'm considering trying out one of the "stacks"
[19:08] <thafreak> was aiming for openstack, as it's supported by canonical, rackspace, etc
[19:09] <thafreak> but after the cloud stack presentation at OLF, I saw how slick it looked
[19:12] <dzho> yeah
[19:14] <dzho> http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/openstack-vs-cloudstack-the-beginning-of-the-open-source-cloud-wars/10763 weird politics