[01:23] Morning guys :) Does anyone here know what we're doing about adobe flashplayer at all? 11.2 is the last version on which linux is going to be supported. Do we have any replacements planned? [01:33] BarkingFish: Quick answer now; better answer from somebody who knows later. If you want the real Adobe Flash Player on Linux, supported, you will soon be stuck with Chrome as your only vehicle. [01:35] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA4MDQ [01:37] http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/why-adobe-is-right-to-abandon-linux-why-its-no-big-deal-and-why-this-could-be-bad-for-mozilla/18425 [01:38] jussi: so like [01:38] jussi: done [01:38] :P [01:39] just need to implement password saving in KWallet [01:39] should be done by tomorrow hopefully [02:00] hah, done as well [02:00] jussi: you can now join password protected rooms via KTp :) [02:00] well ... via my branch that is [02:11] ::qt-bugs:: [1057578] Vulnerable against "CRIME" attack @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1057578 (by Felix Geyer) === Sentynel_ is now known as Sentynel [03:24] * ScottK just read the backscroll on the CC discussion. Seems like it was reasonable. [03:24] Riddell: Those binaries built, but at least some of them are stuck in proposed. [03:28] ScottK: can I upload ktp 0.5.1 to -proposed once I'm satisfied with QA? [03:28] If it's bugfix only, sure thing. [03:28] yep [03:28] cool [03:28] I uploaded them last night to https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly [03:29] just waiting for them to finish building [03:32] * shadeslayer goes back to tidying his code === cyphermox_ is now known as cyphermox [05:30] Riddell: All the missing binary rebuilds are in queue for you to accept if someone else doesn't get to it first. [05:54] shadeslayer: please let me know when and where I can get it [06:05] bug 923587 was resolved in the upcoming quantal release, but there's no backport for precise [06:05] Launchpad bug 923587 in networkmanagement (Ubuntu) "No openconnect support in plasma-widget-networkmanagement" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/923587 [06:05] is it possible that precise will get a backport of that package [06:06] given that precise has 5y release-time typically businesses are going to be the ones sticking to that, and also the ones using openconnect [06:06] i hope this is the right channel to ask in [09:15] what shall I put in the release team report this week? [09:47] Riddell, how about little ponies? [09:48] we don't do little ponies, we to sparkly unicorns [09:49] Kalidarn: does the fix have a minimal patch? [09:49] oh it's a build-dep [09:50] bulldog98_: fancy looking at bug 923587 for a backport? [09:50] Launchpad bug 923587 in networkmanagement (Ubuntu) "No openconnect support in plasma-widget-networkmanagement" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/923587 [09:53] yeah Riddell but the dep has been solved [09:53] because the dep HAD to be updated for security reasons [09:54] so it just now needs to be built agains tthe current dep in the repo [09:55] when that bug was originally filed openconnect 3.02 was what was in main repo [09:55] and now precise has 3.15 [09:55] Riddell: crashed the installer again [09:56] this time the only "weird" thing I selected was Spanish lang [09:56] so I guess it got stuck downloading spanish translations [09:56] do you want logs? it got stuck at the same % it did eysterday [09:56] 93% [09:59] afiestas: ug [09:59] afiestas: can you report with ubuntu-bug ubiquity ? [10:04] Kalidarn: let's see if bulldog98_ picks it up, he fixed it in quantal [10:11] yeah hopefully [10:27] hi mparillo, afiestas had some comments on the images for the release pages, would you be up for fixing them? [10:29] Thanks, I saw the comments. I certainly could remove the speller widget (I really need it until Rekonq adds spell-checking), but I did not understand the other two comments he made on my screenshot. First, I could not find the rendering issue (and even if I did, I am not sure how to fix), and second, he did not like the Rekonq scroll bars. I cannot see how to get rid of them. [10:32] And I do not see the "you have additiona software" thing. [10:34] (Of course I could maximze the Rekonq window, but I don't think that makes sense). [10:38] mparillo: just remove the spell checker widget for the screenshots, it's important to show default setup [10:38] mparillo: the background on the kmenu and activities widget is a different shade from the rest of the toolbar [10:38] that can probably be fixed by just clicking on those buttons to redraw them [10:39] the additional software applet is the globe+down arrow icon in the systray, can be got rid of by clicking on it [10:40] horizontal scrollbar can be got rid of by making the window wider :) [10:40] Will do. What I will do is download a virgin daily build, so I also pickup KDE SC 4.9.2, with all the defaults. If I can widen Rekonq enough to get rid of the scroll bar on my display, I will do so. [10:42] good idea [10:43] But not to sound *TOO* defensive, the version I replaced was from Fedora. ;-) [10:43] :) [10:46] https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-website/+bug/1062183 [10:46] Launchpad bug 1062183 in Kubuntu Website "Improve Desktop Screen Shot in Release Wiki Page" [Low,New] [10:46] I should get to it today, certainly this weekend. [10:46] thanks [10:47] Signing off to do some downloading. [10:52] downloaded the iso again, tried to install it in vbox, didn't worked [10:52] I'm starting to wonder if somebody tested the beta2 iso [10:53] because it is nto working no matter what I do, with or without internet, in Eng or in CA, it doesn't matter will get stuck at 93% [10:53] I promise I did! [10:54] Riddell: 64bits? [10:55] sure [10:56] but will do so again to see if I can recreate your issues [11:17] orning. [11:17] *Morning [11:17] http://blogs.kde.org/2012/10/04/its-beta just from the logo, it looks like a twitter + kubuntu ingratiation thing. [11:17] buenos dias Darkwing [11:18] any clue what bird that is? [11:19] tazz: it's a quatzal, to go with the release name :) [11:19] quetzal are epic cute. :) [11:20] just like fennec foxes. [11:46] howdy all [11:46] greetings [11:47] all seems well on the kde 4.9.2 and quantal front this morning [11:48] I had a little issue with updates yesterday that required a reinstall of kubuntu-desktop and kde-workspace but, other than that I'm loving Quantal [11:49] Darkwing, "litt;e issue" ? That sounds serious to me [11:49] I think it was more my laptop than anything else. [11:49] ok [11:50] because my GF updated no issue [11:52] therewere some grphics driver upgrades yesterday that caused concern , but they sppeared work out [11:52] appeared [11:54] oh quantal has 129 upgrades here [11:58] afiestas: no internet, yes install mp3 etc, in catala, install completes fine [11:58] ::workspace-bugs:: [1062225] white borders appear around windows after upgrade to kubuntu 12.10 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1062225 (by Yi Xie) [11:59] afiestas: so I'm wondering what else could be the difference between your and my installs [12:00] use of es. package mirror possibly? [12:00] Riddell: do we use any default stuff written in python? [12:01] Darkwing: only ubiquity and usb-creator I think [12:01] since we changes from language-selector and printer-applet [12:01] Riddell: we have a maintainer for those? [12:02] oh kde-config-touchpad maybe [12:02] Darkwing: for which? [12:02] Or rather, a python developer [12:02] I've been debating learning python [12:02] I recommend it [12:02] and I was wonder the use toward Kubuntu for it. [12:03] Riddell: in vbox reproduced it twice, out of 6 attemps [12:03] in pendrive is all the time [12:03] afiestas: I believe you, just a tricky issue of tracking it down [12:03] I think my laptop would be able to handle a scripting lang better than one needing to compile... seeing how the few times I've compiled it's about fried my system heh [12:04] Darkwing: ubiquity could certainly do with some kde love [12:04] usb-creator no doubt has fixes needed too although apachelogger did a few of those recently [12:04] I'll start learning. I've had a bit of expirence with scripting and so Python wouldn't be that huge of a jump. [12:05] scripting is a pretty derogetory term to many python programmers, it's a full object orientated language unlike say Bash [12:06] scripting vs compiling language. [12:06] The term you want is interpreted then. [12:07] Darkwing: some people are put off by the enforced indentation but I love that [12:07] and some people by the excessive use of "self" which is just how it is [12:07] It forces clean code IMO [12:07] unline PHP/HTML messes that are created. [12:07] s/unline/unlike [12:08] s/unline/unlike/ [12:08] Darkwing meant: "s/unlike/unlike" [12:08] LOL [12:08] thank you kubotu [12:15] Darkwing, Riddell: software-properties-kde could need some love too. Currently we're just stacking hacks on it [12:16] It's settled. I'm starting on my python todat. [12:16] s/todat/today/ [12:16] Darkwing meant: "It's settled. I'm starting on my python today." [12:16] yofel: oh good point, it needs policykit-ified I think [12:17] it needs ported to the dbus interface that the gnome UI uses. That would remove most of the backend compatibility hacks [12:17] doesn't look too hard, just a tad time consuming [12:54] Riddell: What IDE do you use? [13:01] Darkwing: emacs :) [13:01] or kate [13:02] eric is the native ide for python but I've never used it [13:03] I was looking at this... http://monkeystudio.org/ [13:16] interesting [13:16] I've not heard of that [13:17] Looks like it has a bunch of the Qt stuff I will be interested in. [13:18] looks similar to Creator [13:23] it's got Qt Designer integrated same as creator does [13:23] but it uses a bunch of UI elements from KDevelop [13:23] jussi: do you want a deb or a patch ? [13:24] shadeslayer: ideally into one of the kubuntu ppas, but failing that a deb please [13:24] shadeslayer: 64 bit/all arch deb ;) [13:25] jussi: its a rough implementation at the moment, can't release it [13:25] jussi: quantal ? [13:25] shadeslayer: ok, deb then [13:25] no, precise [13:25] ok, will patch the 0.5.1 release and email you the deb :) [13:26] thanks [13:26] much appreciated [13:27] np [13:45] JontheEchidna: managed to get anything running with those qt 5 packages? [13:45] in experimental? [13:54] Riddell: I have been looking for the sms that arrived to me about the hotel booking [13:54] but apparently I have los tit :/ [13:55] can you tell me the departure day? [13:55] was it 1st or 2nd? [14:01] afiestas: the Friday [14:02] ookz, needed to be sure to answer Bryan (he asked the return day) [14:02] travel agents are nosey like that, the want to know all about your journey :) [14:03] np :p === apol_ is now known as apol [14:41] agateau, Quintasan_: have you guys given Bryan@bryton all the info he needs? [14:42] Riddell: yes [15:17] afiestas: is this your bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/1059619 [15:17] Launchpad bug 1059619 in grub-installer (Ubuntu Quantal) "Installation hangs on: grub-mount /dev/sdb1 /var/lib/os-prober/mount" [High,New] [15:33] Riddell: I can't tell if the installer hangs there [15:34] afiestas: if you want to confirm it see if it'll get fixed on killing grub-mount [15:37] I can do it right now (I have the laptop still at 93% xD) [15:38] oh nevermind, reinstalling again [15:56] Riddell: I have 2 instances of that [15:57] killall :) [15:57] Riddell: yep, killing it made the installer finish [15:57] groovy thanks, I'll mark your bug as a duplicate of this one [16:42] * afiestas is trying to find notes from last uds [16:42] any help? [16:43] afiestas: specs https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/?searchtext=kubuntu [16:43] [kubuntu-dev] investigate kde touchpad enabler for packaging/inclusion - find out what exactly this means and what it does and bleh: POSTPONED [16:44] uh, why nobody asked me? [16:44] * afiestas is sad [16:45] hum, an oversight I guess, sorry about that [16:45] you know guys you can ask me as much as you need/want/etc [16:45] or in this case tsdgeos is the author of that [16:49] Riddell: is there any log to know who put that? just to tell her/him to ask me next time [16:49] or kde-devel for that matter xD [16:52] afiestas: apachelogger did that change [16:53] apachelogger: damn you :p [16:58] Riddell: yes, the demos from qtbase5-examples run [17:10] Grumble. [17:10] Comment: Stale binary restulting from premature copy to -release [17:10] Remove [y|N]? y [17:10] 194 packages successfully removed. [17:12] Riddell: http://www.theverge.com/2012/2/8/2784225/canonical-ends-kubuntu-support :( sads [17:12] and yes i know it's old news. [17:14] as someone who just came from ubuntu, i won't say what i think about that, other than I probably wouldn't pay canonical for commercial support because of it. [17:26] Kalidarn: we have a new Sponsor :) [17:26] oh? [17:27] yep, Blue Systems [17:27] that's good news. [17:27] Kalidarn: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-to-be-sponsored-by-blue-systems [17:27] old news actually ;) [17:28] yeah well :) [17:28] i decided to give 12.04 GNOME+UNITY a shot, its getting there but still has a long way to go. [17:29] and is still missing the configurability I'm used to with KDE, so when it came around to rolling out our workstations fot the devs i used KDE [17:29] wohoo [17:29] 4.8/4.9 is much better than the previous releases, no plasma crashes yet. [17:29] imo KDE is at a point where we have a very stable base with little to no crashes [17:30] basically and that's from an honest point of view [17:30] nobody likes to admit their desktop environment has bugs but yeah. [17:30] people get quite religious about it [17:30] but ultimately as users become acustomed to their system they want to change things, and im always asked [17:30] I agree, KDE was plain horrible to use in the 4.1-4.3 days [17:30] "if only i could do XXXXX like i have on XXXXX" [17:31] my manager actually asked me how to set rotating wallapers in gnome like he has on his macbook.... [17:31] :D [17:32] he was glad the python script on a 20 minute cron job worked, but he did ask me "if it was that simple why isn't there a button to do it?" [17:33] (that was before we used a particular environment for the image rolled out to all the workstations) [17:33] he had a few trial systems setup at that point [17:35] Kalidarn: uhm, this is getting offtopic now ;) [17:35] #kubuntu-offtopic if you want :) [17:35] yeah that's why i shut up [17:36] Riddell: should I just get this printed : http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/Kubuntu-quantal-quetzal.png [17:36] Riddell: and what dimensions [17:36] shadeslayer: strangely reminds me of the firefox logo. [17:37] yeah, people have told me it reminds them of Mark [17:37] except it's blue and it's a bird not a fox. [17:38] it's a quetzal :) [17:38] i must thank canonical for teaching me about animals i never knew existed. [17:39] heh, yeah [17:39] what happens when you guys get to Z? [17:40] start over I believe [17:40] which is why some of the tools have already been modified [17:40] modified? [17:41] yeah, like backportpackage ... [17:41] ah [17:42] earlier it used to version things like upstream_ver-0ubuntuX~precise1 [17:42] Riddell: We probably want this, right? http://lamarque-lvs.blogspot.com/2012/09/plasma-nm-0905.html [17:42] not it's upstream_ver-0ubuntuX~ubuntu12.04 [17:43] So we're good for 87 years now. [17:43] yep [17:43] shadeslayer: Can you update networkmanagement? [17:44] ScottK: can't do it today, can I upload it along with ktp ? [17:44] Unless someone else gets to it first. [17:44] just going through the changelog [17:44] cool [17:46] shadeslayer: are you talking about for quantal or precise? [17:47] Kalidarn: hm? well .. the tools were modified for precise, so that if someone backports a package using backportpackage for precise the versioning is safe enough for an extended period of time [17:48] no i mean for networkmanagement [17:48] quantal [17:48] because in bug 923587 a fix was released for quantal, but precise users see no such bugfix. [17:48] Launchpad bug 923587 in networkmanagement (Ubuntu) "No openconnect support in plasma-widget-networkmanagement" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/923587 [17:48] ScottK: did you read http://prog21.dadgum.com/154.html [17:49] ouch [17:49] No. Reading now. [17:49] Kalidarn: I'll make sure to backport the package to kubuntu-backports [17:50] :) much appreciated [17:50] shadeslayer: can it not be backported in official backports? [17:50] Isn't the adrenaline rush most of the fun? [17:51] it should be able to be now because openconnect missing dep has been met with the correct version [17:51] micahg: imo it should first go into kubuntu-backports for extensive testing, and then we can think about -backports [17:51] initially the version in precise was not new enough, but then a buffer overflow was found and it had to be updated, so now the networkmanager plugin when built against it should work [17:51] shadeslayer: did you send that deb yet? [17:51] backports is good enough though [17:52] jussi: I'm going to clean up the code a bit today [17:52] ahh, ok [17:52] because there are couple of things I don't handle, like incorrect passwords [17:52] shadeslayer: I can hang on till monday, when I really need it again :) [17:52] so I want to implement that tonight, will roll a deb tomorrow morning and email it :) [17:52] ah :) [17:56] ScottK: there was a follow up post to that btw : http://thecodist.com/article/yes_i_still_want_to_be_doing_this_at_56 [17:58] shadeslayer: That seems about right. [17:58] yeah :) [18:01] shadeslayer: I took a quick look at networkmanagement, you need to backport openconnect too, the version in precise is outdated [18:01] ah ok [18:03] yofel_: are u sure? [18:03] im pretty sure openconnect was updated from when that bug was originally opened for security reasons [18:04] to what version? I only see 3.15 in precise, nm 0.9.0.4 requires >= 3.99 === yofel_ is now known as yofel [18:04] ah [18:04] quantal has 4.06 so that'll be fine [18:05] It could be there's a patch that could be cherrypicked if someone cares to investigate. [18:05] ah i was looking at comment #13 [18:06] perhaps the commit mentioned in #12 could be made into a patch [18:08] yofel: what does 0.9.0.3 require? [18:08] that's talking about 3.02, it *was* updated to 3.15 [18:08] no idea. I still have that lying around in a PPA, sec [18:08] maybe 0.9.0.3 can be compiled against 3.15 and problem be gone? [18:09] possibly [18:09] unless there were serious issues with 0.9.0.3 that were bad [18:12] no luck [18:12] set (MINIMUM_OPENCONNECT_VERSION_REQUIRED "3.99") [18:12] :( hmm [18:13] and it's doubtful openconnect will be put in the PPA? [18:13] should be fine, different so versions in 3 and 4 [18:14] i doubt a whole lot was changed in the openconnect package [18:14] oh wait, it went from 3.20 to 4.99 [18:14] *3.99 [18:15] i thought that was multiple releases, turns out it's only 1 release [18:15] and you actually need openconnect 3.20 [18:15] because in that they fixed: Fix progress callback with incorrect cbdata which caused KDE crash. [18:16] though that's probably the commit commenter #12 was talking about [18:17] well, I would still have to talk to lamarque before patching the cmake check [18:17] so let's try with 4 first [18:17] might as well [18:17] i can test those debs if you want [18:19] would be good, I have no precise system that uses NM right now [18:19] wait, I do have one [18:22] I'm on precise as well [18:24] thanks launchpad for being as slow as ever... [18:26] I heard you like unity in your unity, so i put a unity in a unity in your browser http://wstaw.org/m/2012/10/05/plasma-desktopk11760.png [18:27] shadeslayer: *snort* [18:28] wha? [18:28] :P [18:28] shadeslayer: i can 1up that [18:28] unity, with a vm with unity with a browser with unity [18:28] 3 levels of unity reached, score! [18:29] but it's not webscale [18:29] what's the point if it's not webscale [18:30] Start 2012-10-07 WHAT? [18:31] 30h queue, just great (https://launchpad.net/builders) [18:32] yah [18:33] * yofel goes for medium urgency [18:34] lol shadeslayer [18:34] i went to the tour in safari (because i thik my plugins were blocking it) [18:34] and i got an advert for mackeeper. [18:35] while doing the ubuntu tour, that's not good advertising [18:35] actually i like how they do the browser, it might have been triggered from the browser opened within the tour [18:35] Started a moment ago - better :) [18:36] that tour is a really good idea. [18:36] * shadeslayer waves fist at yofel for jumping build queue [18:36] my ktp builds have been in queue for the last 24 hours [18:37] I don't want to wait on openconnect, I'll put nm in the regular queue [18:37] it totally is missing an easter egg for the nerds in us though shadeslayer [18:37] ubuntu isn't for nerds [18:37] yes but for those who are there needs to be an easter egg hidden deep within the tour :) [18:38] heh [18:38] nah, they'll be too busy trying to figure out how to configure unity with dconf and gsettings to search for the easter egg [18:38] heh [18:50] great, the publisher seems stuck too [18:50] zZzZzzz... [18:53] evening [18:53] yofel: sure it's not stuck in a queue somewhere? what are you wanting? [18:54] https://launchpad.net/~yofel/+archive/staging/+packages [18:54] shadeslayer: yes please, that's a good design to get printed [18:54] doesn't usually take half an hour [18:54] but it's not urgent anyway [18:54] shadeslayer: previous ones I have are about credit card size which worked well [18:55] ScottK: mm yes very likely we do [18:56] bulldog98: ping ping? [19:06] Riddell: ok [19:09] Riddell: ^ our sticker printer guy ;) [19:09] and KDE contributor ofcourse :P [19:09] of all the things I'm known for :P [19:09] ah.. better [19:10] you were saying something about it being squareish? [19:11] ah yes, lemme scale it down and give you a number [19:11] ok [19:12] plz use karbon [19:12] since it renders incorrectly everywhere else [19:19] afiestas, Riddell: I have posted two different screenshots of desktops from today's daily build to bug 1062183 [19:19] Launchpad bug 1062183 in Kubuntu Website "Improve Desktop Screen Shot in Release Wiki Page" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1062183 [19:19] Which would you prefer? [19:21] * Riddell looks [19:21] https://launchpadlibrarian.net/118508094/DesktopWithApps.png looks lovely [19:22] except please get rid of that search bar in ktp, and actually have some contacts in there :P [19:22] is the pager supposed to be visible? [19:22] with just one desktop? [19:22] it's not ... [19:23] presumably that's what the pager is like on the CD [19:23] a curious bug [19:23] shadeslayer: why no search bar in ktp? [19:23] Riddell: looks a bit out-of-place to me [19:24] I tried to do absolutely nothing to the vanilla install. [19:24] So the pager is OotB. [19:24] mparillo: yes, it'll be a bug somewhere [19:24] odd [19:24] well at most it'd come from our plasma setup script [19:25] and iirc I didn't see that there [19:25] Who uses pages anymore? I thought that was old Gnome folks. We have Activities? [19:25] we have both :) [19:25] I do [19:25] and I just use one virtual desktop tbh [19:25] and you might as well count into the old gnome folks :P [19:25] :P [19:26] *count me [19:26] I suppose TIMTOWTDI [19:26] shadeslayer: 55mm x 50mm sounds good? [19:26] sec [19:27] I have nothing against activities, but the switching widget is totally useless compared to the pager [19:27] yofel: use meta+q :P [19:27] well, not completely useless. I mean it doesn't have the information I want to see [19:27] and is actually usefull for touch devices :) [19:28] spacetime: can you upload a scaled image somewhere? [19:28] I'm on neon and installing calligra will take time [19:33] shadeslayer: http://imgur.com/jhAlS Get a ruler, you can get an idea of how big 5cmx5.5cm is [19:36] so it's basically half a RasPi [19:36] Send me one and I'll let you know [19:36] I'm telling you :P] [19:36] grrrr... [19:37] actually, 3/4ths of a Raspberry Pi [19:39] Riddell: ^ Good enough? [19:50] Riddell: except for the kopete with no contacts [19:52] s/kopete/ktp/ bad habbit [19:52] Kalidarn meant: "Riddell: except for the ktp with no contacts" [20:03]