[00:00] <pmatulis> anyone else having trouble starting thunderbird on 12.10?
[00:05] <silverarrow> no, works fine
[00:05] <silverarrow> pmatulis: did you install it properly ?
[00:06] <silverarrow> ;- )
[00:06] <pmatulis> silverarrow: ?
[00:07] <silverarrow> kidding
[00:07] <silverarrow> did you try launch it in terminal?
[00:07] <silverarrow> It works fine here
[00:07] <silverarrow> I am in lubuntu, which should be the same
[00:08] <silverarrow> I get this message when launching in terminal
[00:08] <pmatulis> silverarrow: hm, i use lubuntu too.  prolly an add-on issue then
[00:08] <silverarrow> WARNING **: Invalid borders specified for theme pixmap:
[00:08] <silverarrow>         /usr/share/themes/Lubuntu-default/gtk-2.0/images/scrollbar_vertical.png,
[00:08] <silverarrow> borders don't fit within the image
[00:08] <silverarrow> thought, there are no problems
[00:09] <silverarrow> the frames are shrollable
[00:09] <wilee-nilee> silverarrow, Your familiar with pastebin I assume.
[00:09] <silverarrow> yeah, it is only one line though
[00:09] <pmatulis> silverarrow: interesting, i get some of that output too.  but a liitle more
[00:10] <silverarrow> the paste police is active
[00:10] <wilee-nilee> silverarrow, Came as 4 here please use the pastebin. ;)
[00:10] <silverarrow> 4?
[00:10] <silverarrow> ok
[00:10] <pmatulis> silverarrow: you're fine with a couple of lines
[00:10] <pmatulis> i see 2 lines
[00:10] <silverarrow> wilee-nilee: what kind of screen do you have+
[00:10] <pmatulis> a phone?
[00:11] <silverarrow> but I will use pastebin, promise
[00:11] <pmatulis> silverarrow: '-safe-mode' works, so it's prolly an add-on issue
[00:12] <silverarrow> yeah, maybe a package missing
[00:12] <silverarrow> or do you sync it with firefox?
[00:12] <pmatulis> silverarrow: i think this line is key:
[00:12] <pmatulis> (thunderbird:16164): GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'org.gnome.Evolution.DefaultSources' is not installed
[00:13] <pmatulis> i submitted bug #1061958
[00:14] <silverarrow> pmatulis: I should set up sylpheed to work really, but thunderbird is idoiot proof
[00:15] <silverarrow> I alwas have problem with pop and smp what not
[00:16] <pmatulis> silverarrow: do you have the 'enigmail' package installed?
[00:17] <silverarrow> let me check
[00:18] <silverarrow> no
[00:18] <pmatulis> silverarrow: can you install it and restart tbird as a test?  i found another report of the same issue and where terminal output mentions enigmail (like mine does)
[00:18] <silverarrow> will it wreak tbird totally?
[00:19] <silverarrow> I am on powerpc iso
[00:19] <silverarrow> do you think it should matter?
[00:19] <pmatulis> nah, you can remove it right after
[00:20] <pmatulis> (but don't you ever need to encrypt stuff?)
[00:20] <silverarrow> well, I don`t?
[00:21] <silverarrow> ...installing
[00:22] <silverarrow> do I need to?
[00:22] <silverarrow> I don`t notice anything
[00:22] <pmatulis> need to what?
[00:22] <silverarrow> encrypt
[00:23] <pmatulis> no, but a lot of people do
[00:23] <silverarrow> I have to google enigmail
[00:23] <pmatulis> so your mail does not go round the world in cleartext
[00:24] <pmatulis> (any person managing an intervening mail server can scoop up your mail and read it)
[00:24] <silverarrow> luckily I haven`t that interesting email
[00:24] <pmatulis> anyway, did you restart tbird after installing enigmail?
[00:25] <silverarrow> I shall have to get try enigmail out
[00:25] <silverarrow> yeah works fine
[00:25] <pmatulis> hm, ok then
[00:25] <silverarrow> like regular
[00:25] <silverarrow> what hardware do you have?
[00:26] <silverarrow> I am on an old iBook G4 that I still like
[00:26] <pmatulis> but keep enigmail installed, it's very useful.  need to get a gpg keypair of course.  enigmail just integrates gpg with tbird
[00:26] <silverarrow> I have not tired quantal on my newer hp yet
[00:26] <silverarrow> thanks for the tip
[00:26] <pmatulis> i just built a new machine.  16 GB of memory and an SSD
[00:26] <silverarrow> cool
[00:26] <silverarrow> and you prefer lxde ?
[00:27] <pmatulis> it takes but a second to start up tbird
[00:27] <pmatulis> same for firefox
[00:27] <silverarrow> loads of people seem to hesitate using unity
[00:27] <silverarrow> well, not a second on this computer
[00:27] <silverarrow> like 10 seconds
[00:27] <pmatulis> ugh
[00:27] <silverarrow> lol
[00:28] <pmatulis> yes, i prefer lightweight.  i despise bloat
[00:28] <silverarrow> well, it is nice to write on, very silent
[00:28] <pmatulis> i usually don't even install the Recommends packages
[00:28] <silverarrow> Unity run smoother now though, than when it was launched
[00:29] <silverarrow> when I first tried Lubuntu, I really liked the gnome mplayer gecko setup
[00:29] <silverarrow> it wroked with everything I wanted it to in terminal
[00:29] <silverarrow> not so much on this ppc though
[00:29] <silverarrow> too many broken packages for powerpc
[00:30] <silverarrow> which might improve with quantal
[00:30] <pmatulis> i just use vlc to play music
[00:30] <pmatulis> and watch videos
[00:30] <silverarrow> gnome mplayer and vlc is a toss really
[00:30] <silverarrow> i have both usually
[00:31] <silverarrow> I have had downloads not work on mplayer, but on vlc, and vise versa
[00:32] <pmatulis> i noticed that empathy is borked on lubuntu 12.10
[00:32] <pmatulis> when installed it gives nonsensical setting icons to configure it.  maybe i'm missing something
[00:32] <silverarrow> so a fix is needed
[00:32] <silverarrow> did you file a bug report
[00:33] <pmatulis> not yet
[00:33] <silverarrow> I could not use xfburn at all in 12.04, but in 12.10 it seems to be fine, the same with pidgin
[00:34] <silverarrow> bugreports are important
[00:35] <silverarrow>  I think empathy will be fixed
[00:35] <silverarrow> being a gnome basic
[00:35] <pmatulis> yeah, i presumed the issue was known
[00:35] <silverarrow> I plan to set up sylpheed
[00:36] <pmatulis> i'm quite certain that it can also integrate with GPG
[00:36] <silverarrow> as soon as I get some guidance, I mess up the config
[00:37] <silverarrow> I have serious issues with quantal ppc
[00:37] <silverarrow> no sound, no alsamixer
[00:38] <silverarrow> no real radeon driver working with graphics card
[00:38] <silverarrow> but we are a few working on it
[00:38] <silverarrow> I am totally amateur,
[00:38] <silverarrow> learning a lot though
[00:41] <silverarrow> pmatulis: do you think Tbird issues are 64bit specific ?
[00:43] <pmatulis> silverarrow: my issue?
[00:45] <pmatulis> silverarrow: strange data point: i just disabled all extensions and plugins while in safe mode and restarted normally.  worked fine.  then i enabled each one at a time, restating after each.  went through all of them.  still works fine.  now i'm back with all enabled and it works
[00:46] <pmatulis> nah, just noticed someting...
[00:51] <silverarrow> yeah, I was thinking about the tbird trouble
[00:52] <pmatulis> ah.  i have methodically isolated the problem to the following plugin: 'EDS Contact Integration'.  thing is, it's a default plugin.  can you confirm you have it?
[00:53] <pmatulis> silverarrow: ⤴
[00:53] <silverarrow> oh yes
[00:53] <pmatulis> and it's enabled?
[00:54] <silverarrow> yes it lists as active under extentions
[00:57] <silverarrow> i have to reboot, brb
[01:16] <trism> any bug reports for amazon/ubuntu one launchers reappearing on every new login? (also on my desktop adding terminal isn't sticking, have to readd it every time, not having the problem here with settings migrated from precise)
[01:50] <SudoKing> during the upgrade, this seems to be taking forever --
[01:50] <SudoKing> run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d/dkms 3.5.0-17-generic /boot/vmlinuz-3.5.0-17-generic
[01:51] <SudoKing> i think it's been sitting 10+ minutes ?
[02:04] <Colton_> ubuntu 12.10 i install get through the first 3 steps then ubuntu opens up a cmd window and then crashes
[02:04] <Colton_> any ideas
[02:05] <Colton_> helloooo
[02:06] <Stanley00> Colton_: hi
[02:06] <Colton_> hello did you get my previous comment
[02:06] <Colton_> s
[02:07] <bazhang> yes
[02:07] <bazhang> Colton_, is this a wubi install
[02:07] <Colton_>  ubuntu 12.10 i install get through the first 3 steps then ubuntu opens up a cmd window and then ubuntu crashes
[02:07] <Colton_> no
[02:08] <Colton_>  i downloaded whatever is on the ubuntu site
[02:08] <bazhang> Colton_, did you check the iso for corruption; burn very slow, and then check the cd for problems
[02:08] <Colton_> yes
[02:08] <Colton_> i burnt very fast
[02:08] <Colton_> cd is fine
[02:08] <bazhang> Colton_, how did you check the iso for corruption
[02:09] <Colton_> bu verifying it though a iso burner
[02:09] <Colton_> by
[02:09] <bazhang> Colton_, verifying it against what
[02:10] <Stanley00> Colton_: when you boot the cd, press any key, there will be a menu for testing the cd, you can use that
[02:10] <Colton_> i took a program called imgburn and verified the burn was done corretly
[02:10] <Colton_> i never got that
[02:10] <bazhang> Colton_, the md5?
[02:10] <Colton_> ????
[02:10] <bazhang> Colton_, so you did not do the 3 steps I suggested
[02:10] <Colton_> yes i did
[02:11] <bazhang> md5 the iso. burn very SLOW, do the disk defect check on the ubuntu menu. you said no to all three
[02:11] <Colton_> do you have a voice chat program
[02:14] <Colton_> bazhang
[02:15] <bazhang> Colton_,
[02:17] <Colton_> yes
[02:18] <Colton_> yes bazhang
[02:18] <bazhang> Colton_, so do the three things I suggested
[02:22] <Colton_> ok well im a try to install it again now
[02:24] <Daekdroom> Trying to install it again is not quite the same as checking whether the CD is good or not.
[02:27] <bazhang> yep
[02:27] <bazhang> a corrupt iso is what I suspect
[02:47] <bjsnider> Daekdroom, which version of brasero do you have installed?
[02:48] <Daekdroom> 3.4.1-0ubuntu2 (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_quantal_main_binary-amd64_Packages)
[02:49] <bjsnider> Daekdroom, from the cli, attempt to install gnome-sushi, but do not follow through, just to see what else it will pull in
[02:51] <bjsnider> Daekdroom, there's a bunch of gstreamer1.0 stuff right?
[02:52] <Daekdroom> bjsnider, right
[02:52] <bjsnider> that's essentially why i have both versions at the same time
[02:52] <bjsnider> that and the newer stuff in the ppa depends on it too
[03:45] <cowsquad> How is everyone doing?
[03:46] <cowsquad> is the suspend option working for you guys while you press the power on/off button in your laptop?
[06:47] <fidel> hi - my gnome-shell is missing its upper bar & my windows are missing the window-decoration since yesterday
[06:47] <fidel> any idea how i might be able to have both back? ;) 12.10 in vmware
[07:41] <fidel> hi - my gnome-shell is missing its upper bar & my windows are missing the window-decoration since yesterday
[08:03] <fidel> ah gnome-themes-standard was missing ;I)
[11:46] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[12:00] <BluesKaj> 129 upgrades for kubuntu 12.10
[12:07] <TheOneRing> hi again, after updating to 12.10 x fails to start with the folowing log http://paste.kde.org/562820/
[12:33] <nicko_> Which is better? Download the Ubuntu 12.10 beta 2 or just fresh install with beta 1 and just upgrade. I have the beta 1 but not the beta 2. My internet is not that fast. just got a max of 60+KB/s
[12:35] <jpds> nicko_: Either way, you're going to download an amount of download.
[12:35] <jpds> nicko_: Or you could try using rsync to sync the image differences.
[12:37] <nicko_> jpds: thanks for the suggestion. Ill try
[12:58] <Sagi> Should I expect much churn between beta2 and release?
[13:10] <BluesKaj> Sagi, there are quite few updates/upgrades in the repos atm , altho a daily build will probly give you the latest
[13:32]  * Sagi takes the leap
[14:19] <silverarrow> is anyone familiar with the sound trouble shooting page?
[14:20] <silverarrow> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
[14:20] <silverarrow> the first installation, is there one for quantal?
[14:21] <silverarrow> step 1 I mean
[14:21] <BluesKaj> silverarrow, why don't you just tell us what you did and what works and what doesn't
[14:22] <BluesKaj> with your sound that ia
[14:22] <BluesKaj> is
[14:23] <silverarrow> I have no alsamixer in quantal
[14:24] <silverarrow>  I have no loadspeaker icon in taskbar
[14:25] <silverarrow> I have reinstalled asa-utils and deleted files in modprobe.d
[14:25] <silverarrow> lines really
[14:26] <silverarrow> I have launched alsamixer -a basic
[14:26] <silverarrow> with error messages
[14:26] <BluesKaj> silverarrow, install alsa-base
[14:26] <silverarrow> it is there
[14:27] <BluesKaj> why have you deleted files in modprobe.d ?
[14:28] <silverarrow> because that is the usual suggestion for ppc
[14:28] <silverarrow> and it worked in 12.04
[14:28] <Sagi> what is new name for unity-2d-panel in 12.10?
[14:28] <BluesKaj> silverarrow, never heard that before
[14:28] <Sagi> +the
[14:28] <silverarrow> however, missing alsamixer is not ppc specific this time
[14:29] <BluesKaj> reinstall alsa-base and asla-utils
[14:29] <silverarrow> BluesKaj: only for ppc for some reason
[14:29] <silverarrow> I have now,and I shall try launching
[14:30] <silverarrow> nothing unfortunately
[14:31] <silverarrow> I`ve been at this for a few days now
[14:31] <BluesKaj> which sound card , silverarrow ?
[14:31] <silverarrow> not sure
[14:32] <BluesKaj> aplay -l in the termina;
[14:32] <BluesKaj> terminal
[14:33] <BluesKaj> if you don't know which sound card , why are you editing modprobe.d ?
[14:35] <silverarrow> no sound cards foun
[14:35] <silverarrow> found*
[14:36] <BluesKaj> then you need to reinstall asla-base and alsa-utils
[14:36] <silverarrow> BluesKaj, because the fix works for G4s, and I was told to do so on 12.04, and it worked
[14:37] <silverarrow> I just have!
[14:37] <silverarrow> right now
[14:37] <BluesKaj> silverarrow, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y --reinstall install alsa-base alsa-utils
[14:38] <BluesKaj> run that command
[14:40] <silverarrow> done
[14:40] <silverarrow> cannot open mixer, no such file or directory
[14:42] <silverarrow> BluesKaj: if you get any ideas on how to go about it, please let me know
[14:51] <BluesKaj> sudo alsa-force-reload . if there's no output , then reboot , silverarrow
[14:51] <BluesKaj> ooops sudo alsa force-reload
[15:15] <silverarrow> oh
[15:15] <silverarrow> yes
[15:16] <silverarrow> for reboot then
[15:19] <Sagi> oh brilliant, no alx module in 12.10 (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/927782).
[15:19] <Sagi> it used to exist in 12.04 (at least as a backported module)
[15:22] <silverarrow>  BluesKaj, unfortunately no alsamixer still
[15:22] <silverarrow> I wonder what it could be
[15:24] <BluesKaj> silverarrow, do you have pulseaudio installed , if so then install pavucontrol
[15:42] <TheOneRing> why cant I start my xserver anymore since I installed 12.10 http://paste.kde.org/562820/
[15:43] <BluesKaj> TheOneRing,  there;s no xorg.conf by default unless you generate one after a your graphics driver install
[15:45] <TheOneRing> the driver is part of the kernel
[15:45] <TheOneRing> and I didnt need one with 3.2
[15:46] <BluesKaj> the kernel module driver is usually sufficent unless you want 3D and DIR , then an restricted/additional driver might be required
[15:47] <BluesKaj> dependong on nthe gpu
[15:52] <TheOneRing> there is no other driver for the gma600 located on a atom cpu
[16:00] <silverarrow> is it  possible to have apps for firefox or chrome which handles html5 streams oriented towards iphone and android
[16:02] <BluesKaj> TheOneRing, did you look in restricted/additional drivers
[16:03] <TheOneRing> there are no drivers, and thats the reason why I'm trying out the beta because of the new driver
[16:03] <TheOneRing> but there are no oficcial drivers by intel for the device
[16:04] <BluesKaj> and none in system admin > additonal drivers ..I have to ask since you didn't answer my question the first time
[16:06] <TheOneRing> 1. I cant start X 2. there are no drivers
[16:06] <TheOneRing> at least the internet doesnt know about them
[16:06] <BluesKaj> BBL ...stuff to do
[16:06] <TheOneRing> but I'll try it again with ssh x forwarding
[16:14] <TheOneRing> and yes jockey-kde dosnt find any drivers
[16:21] <TheOneRing> what about the error
[16:21] <TheOneRing> [   636.234] (EE) intel(0): [drm] Failed to detect GEM.  Kernel 2.6.28 required.
[16:21] <TheOneRing> [   636.234] (EE) intel(0): Failed to become DRM master.
[16:23] <TheOneRing> hm ok sounds like at least 2.6 is needed..
[16:28] <TJ-> TheOneRing: Does the motherboard have support for HDMI HDCP?
[16:34] <TheOneRing> it has atleast a hdmi port
[16:34] <TheOneRing> the device  is a tablet
[16:36] <TJ-> Some intel-based systems have Protected Audio Video Path (PAVP) which can trigger that error. Not sure tablet hardware would, though. You'd need to investigate the chipset
[16:37] <TheOneRing> http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/latitude-st/pd
[16:38] <TheOneRing> main source for information about ubuntu on the device is http://www.mogilowski.net/lang/de-de/2012/02/15/install-ubuntu-on-dell-latitude-st-tablet/
[16:42] <TJ-> TheOneRing: That web-site is acting up. From your direct-link, or if I choose a link on the site, it redirects wrongly from that intended article to some other!
[16:43]  * TJ- thinks the web-owner has messed up the Wordpress redirecting for slugs and SEO URLs
[16:51] <XVampireX> I need some help with a wine game on Kubuntu, when I'm on ubuntu (Unity) it works well, when I'm on Kubuntu it flickers and slows down everything, something is weird
[16:51] <XVampireX> It's as if something is getting in the way (Assuming kwin) but I've disabled the special effects  and it still is the same
[16:55] <natman> whats the release date for Kubuntu 12.10? how is it shaping up compared to 12.04?
[16:55] <bazhang> great
[16:56] <natman> how so bazhang/
[16:56] <bazhang> try a live cd perhaps. too much to describe
[16:56] <bazhang> polish, apps. presentation the list goes on
[16:57] <natman> cool
[16:57] <bazhang> near the end of the month I'd imagine
[16:57] <bazhang> 2012.10
[16:58] <XVampireX> 2013.04
[16:58] <XVampireX> :D
[16:59] <bazhang> would be 13.04 , yes
[16:59] <XVampireX> would be 13.10 :D
[17:00] <bazhang> no
[17:00] <bazhang> YEAR.MONTH
[17:02] <XVampireX> I know I'm just playing :D
[17:02] <XVampireX> and listening to Adele Skyfall theme
[17:02] <bazhang> #ubuntu-offtopic for playing XVampireX
[17:02] <XVampireX> Nah, thanks, I know about it
[17:02] <bazhang> ...
[17:02] <XVampireX> I just came here to get some help
[17:15] <natman> what do you think of skyfall theme XVampireX
[17:15] <XVampireX> Sounds good, I like the fact that Adele is not a pop singer :P
[17:16] <XVampireX> (Well, wikipedia does give it the pop tag, lol, but it's not a pop song in any way... soul perhaps)
[17:41] <jpwhiting> hey all, is there a way to choose my session in lightdm? I don't get any button on either of my users to choose the session with
[17:41] <bazhang> sure
[17:41] <bazhang> hit the wheel and a dropdown menu will appear
[17:42] <c_smith_> hey, is anyone else having issues with FGLRX causing X11 (or whatever is used to detect relevant hardware) to not detect it when FGLRX is installed and configured with aticonfig?
[17:43] <c_smith_> I ask because if this is more than just me, I'll be submitting a bug report.
[17:43] <jpwhiting> bazhang: what wheel? I don't get any wheel
[17:43] <jpwhiting> I have two user accounts, and unchecked auto login on my main account, but lightdm.conf still has autologin set to my main user
[17:43] <bazhang> jpwhiting, to the right hand side of the password field
[17:44] <jpwhiting> to the right hand side of the password field is an arrow
[17:44] <jpwhiting> when I click it it logs in
[17:44] <jpwhiting> if I right click it it logs in
[17:44] <jpwhiting> never get a menu
[17:44] <jpwhiting> no whele appears
[17:44] <jpwhiting> *wheel
[17:44] <bazhang> less enter please
[17:44] <jpwhiting> ok, sorry, my bad :)
[17:45] <bazhang> perhaps wheel is the wrong descriptor
[17:45] <trism> jpwhiting: if this is a default ubuntu install, there are no other sessions to choose from so the session button won't appear
[17:45] <jpwhiting> I've heard there's supposed to be a cog
[17:45] <c_smith_> jpwhiting, the wheel is above the password field next to the username.
[17:45] <bazhang> that would do it
[17:45] <c_smith_> the wheel that bazhang is talking about.
[17:46] <jpwhiting> trism: ah, I see, I have built my own kde into /usr/local, does lightdm not look there for session files?
[17:46] <bazhang> install gnome-shell , gnome-panel or the like
[17:46] <trism> jpwhiting: I believe it will only look in /usr/share/xsessions/ (but not 100% on that)
[17:46] <c_smith_> I take it nobody here even uses fglrx?
[17:46] <trism> jpwhiting: you could always copy a .desktop file there with the correct paths
[17:46] <jpwhiting> trism: ah, ok I'll put a kde one in there, cool thx
[17:47]  * jpwhiting thought the session chooser would at least have unity and unity 2d or something
[17:47] <jpwhiting> meh
[17:47] <trism> unity-2d was dropped a while back so just the Ubuntu session now
[17:47] <bazhang> they need to be installed, unity-2d
[17:47] <bazhang> !find unity-2d
[17:48] <trism> bazhang: the packages are there but they are empty
[17:48] <c_smith_> jpwhiting, they dropped that in favor of an llvm pipe
[17:48] <trism> !info unity-2d
[17:48] <bazhang> trism, so it's fallback now?
[17:48] <trism> just made from the unity package
[17:48] <trism> bazhang: yeah it is supposed to fallback to llvmpipe for software rendering
[17:48] <bazhang> ok thanks trism
[17:49] <c_smith_> bazhang, unity-2d essentially stopped existing, correct me if I'm wrong.
[17:49] <bazhang> I just went from 11.04 to 12.10 , /ignore me
[17:49] <bazhang> and I have kubuntu/lubuntu/xubuntu all installed
[17:50] <bazhang> thus the 'cog'
[17:50] <jpwhiting> ah, ok gotcha
[17:50]  * jpwhiting tries this kde.desktop
[17:51] <jpwhiting> btw, what's the difference between Exec and TryExec in those files?
[17:51] <bazhang> gnome-panel will yield the 'classic ' look
[17:54] <trism> jpwhiting: I believe TryExec is a path to an executable to test for existence for whether or not to show the session, so if you had TryExec=/usr/bin/somesession but /usr/bin/somesession didn't exist or is not executable then it won't show that session
[17:55] <trism> jpwhiting: helpful since for instance, gnome.desktop comes with gnome-session but you can't use that session unless you install gnome-shell
[17:56] <jpwhiting> trism: ah, ok gotcha
[17:56] <jpwhiting> thanks
[18:07] <Zta> It is extremely annoying that there's no tool to backup user settings.  Something that scans dconf and finds all key values that have been changed from default and saves this to a file would perhaps be helpful.
[18:09] <Zta> I'm particularly interested in backing up keyboard shortcuts.  Upgrading to 12.10b2 reset all mine to defaults =\
[18:13] <johnjohn101> do you think unity 6.x will ever be backported to 12.04?
[18:32] <wilee-nilee> johnjohn101, If you look on the web you find these things. http://askubuntu.com/questions/183164/will-there-be-an-backport-of-unity-6-compiz-for-precise  https://launchpad.net/~benkai/+archive/precise-unity-backport
[18:34] <johnjohn101> thanks, have you used any of these?
[18:37] <wilee-nilee> johnjohn101, I have not I use gnome 3, but I would be hesitant to try the ppa without being sure I could back my way out of it if needed.
[18:38] <johnjohn101> i'll probably upgrade work machine to 12.10.
[18:38] <johnjohn101> i don't like using "hybrid" releases. though it would be nice to mix and match
[18:39] <wilee-nilee> johnjohn101, I loaded all my 12.04 stuff to 12.10 to start using it as a regular OS, but I have clones of the 12.04 and the couple other OS on my HD in case needed.
[18:40] <wilee-nilee> I never upgrade
[18:43] <johnjohn101> i imagine the 13.04 release of ubuntu will have unity 7?
[18:46] <trism> johnjohn101: I imagine so since there is already a bug targeted at it, bug 1057528
[18:49] <Zta> Hm, how does one find the author of a package?  I need an extra option to gsettings =)
[19:21] <Milos_SD> hi
[19:21] <Milos_SD> I need help getting gtk apps theme back to the default
[19:22] <Milos_SD> I started kde session, and now in gnome, almost all GTK apps use kde theme (gtk+ oxygen)
[19:22] <Milos_SD> pidgin, xchat, deluge ...
[19:22] <Milos_SD> and kde (QT) apps like ktorrent, smplayer, etc, don't have theme at all
[19:22] <bekks> Milos_SD: "gtk+ oxygen" is not a KDE theme.
[19:23] <bekks> It is a gtk+ plus theme.
[19:23] <Milos_SD> bekks, maybe it is not that theme
[19:23] <Milos_SD> but it looks like oxygen
[19:24] <zoktar_> where is the preferred applications located in 12.10?
[19:27] <Milos_SD> yea, and firefox use that theme too :)
[19:27] <trism> zoktar_: System Settings/Details/Default Applications
[19:27] <zoktar_> thanks
[19:28] <phoenix_firebrd> Any one using nvidia binary proprietary driver, could you paste the framebuffers that are blacklisted in modeproble.d. I am using the driver i downloaded from the nvidia website and on a cold boot system hangs after grub
[19:28] <phoenix_firebrd> probably after starting to lod the nvidia driver
[19:29] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: http://paste.kde.org/563090/
[19:32] <yofel> if Milos_SD comes back, tell him to wipe ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini
[19:32] <yofel> and ~/.gtkrc-2.0
[19:33] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: no, the framebuffer one
[19:33] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: i got it from a fellow
[19:34] <yofel> ah, that has nothing to do with nvidia though
[19:34] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: does nvidiafb has problem?
[19:34] <yofel> is that even supposed to work? Haven't tried it in ages
[19:35] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: no nvidia recommends to disable some framebuffer that may create problem with its driver
[19:35] <yofel> IIRC this system uses vesafb + nvidia-current
[19:35] <yofel> works, but I know the driver shows a warning
[19:35] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: thats good, i will try vesafb
[19:36] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: how do i get the kernel message in verbose
[19:36] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: also afaik there is nothing in the xorg log and kernel log
[19:39] <yofel> well, you get the kernel messages with dmesg. Not sure what would be wrong though if you get no message. Did you boot without 'quiet splash' at least?
[19:40] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: thats right the quite splash, going for the reboot , brb
[19:44] <silverarrow> does anyone use java? I can`t make it work
[19:45] <silverarrow> I have installed a java 7 plugin package, in addition to the extras
[19:45] <yofel> in a browser or on the system?
[19:45] <silverarrow> browser
[19:45] <silverarrow> trying to connect to my bank and java test page
[19:45] <yofel> hm, icedtea-7-plugin works for me in firefox
[19:45] <silverarrow> http://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp?detect=jre
[19:45] <silverarrow> let me double check
[19:46] <silverarrow> I was looking at an Asus Zenbook,
[19:47] <silverarrow> do they go well with Ubuntu+
[19:47] <yofel> well, that detection site doesn't work, but the only java applet that I normally use works fine
[19:47]  * yofel needs to reboot
[19:49] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: removing vesafb from the blacklist didn't work for me
[19:49] <silverarrow> I have these http://imagebin.org/231031
[19:49] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: what are you trying to do?
[19:50] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: Using nvidia propriatery driver, cold boot=hang on boot probably before lightdm/kdm
[19:50] <silverarrow> before I installed the browser package, I got "no java installed", no the cursor circle keeps circeling in the java test
[19:51] <phoenix_firebrd> *proprietary
[19:51] <yofel> that shouldn't have anything to do with the framebuffer, but with the module not loading if it's set in xorg.conf
[19:51] <yofel> nouveau IS blacklisted, right?
[19:51] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: checking
[19:52] <yofel> lsmod will tell if it's loaded
[19:52] <yofel> nvidia can't be loaded if nouveau is running
[19:53] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: lsmod-> http://paste.kde.org/563102/
[19:53] <yofel> silverarrow: it does the same for me, so maybe they're using some oracle-only part in their binaries
[19:53] <yofel> hm
[19:54] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: does 'modprobe nvidia' tell you something useful?
[19:54] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: "WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-framebuffer.conf.save, it will be ignored in a future release."
[19:55] <yofel> er wait
[19:55] <yofel> the nvidia module is loaded
[19:55] <yofel> what happens if you now start lightdm?
[19:55] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ya, the nvidia settings will complain otherwise
[19:55] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: during cold boot?
[19:56] <yofel> well, anywhere. If X starts now it should also start when you boot
[19:57] <silverarrow> yofel, hmm, it worked with icedtea in 12.04
[19:57] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: I remember something about the kernel log, it contained something like, "the license of nvidia driver taints the kernel , so disabling logging"
[19:58] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: sure, but that probably has nothing to do with your poblem at hand
[19:58] <yofel> *problem
[19:59] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ya
[20:00] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: I am using the same driver version in nvidia-current but from the website, the one in the repos doesnt work for me
[20:00] <yofel> doesn't work in the same way as the other one does right now?
[20:01] <yofel> anyway, if the module is loaded - what *does* happen if you start lightdm?
[20:01] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ya, thats right, is there a way to purge and install the graphics system? ubuntu clean install 12.10 with nvidia-current drivers from the repos work
[20:02] <yofel> well, IIRC the nvidia .run had an --uninstall option or something similiar. Then reinstall all X/mesa packages or check with debsums what's damaged
[20:03] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: during the cold boot system crashes with a black blank screen before lightdm/kdm , I couldn't do anything except to hard reset and the system boot normally with lightdm working fine
[20:03] <yofel> o.O
[20:04] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ok, let me try that
[20:06] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: If I had by mistake removed a mesa package will that can cause this problem ? for that matter is it possible to remove a single mesa package without causing a dependency issue?
[20:06] <yofel> probably not if it's required
[20:06] <yofel> it's not about removed packages, but about overwritten and deleted files
[20:07] <yofel> the nvidia installer just wipes everything in it's way
[20:07] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ya
[20:08] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: reinstalling xserver-xorg-video-* will do?
[20:10] <yofel> rather check with debsums, libgl stuff maybe too, although multiarch might have saved most of the files from being erased
[20:11] <silverarrow>  does someone use USB wireless adaptor in quantal?
[20:12] <silverarrow> I have trouble with RTL8187 and realtek 3070
[20:12] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ok, going to uninstall the prop nvidia driver and install nvidia-current, brb
[20:13] <fishscene> Is there more information on the remote terminal/desktop feature that can be accessed on the login screen?
[20:18] <silverarrow> yofel: my bank works fine, java based login, but not java test page, funny?
[20:19] <yofel> not if oracle used some method that they only ship in their binaries for the test page
[20:19] <silverarrow> I see
[20:21] <silverarrow> does this test compute on your machine ? https://www.bankid.no/Hjelp-og-nyttige-verktoy/Nyttige-verktoy/Test-din-BankID/
[20:21] <silverarrow> sorry it is not in english, but the java stuff should run
[20:22] <silverarrow> browser crashes here
[20:23] <yofel> same
[20:23] <silverarrow> I am in firefox
[20:23] <yofel> me too, tried it twice, both tries crashed
[20:24] <silverarrow> then it is a common ubuntu error
[20:24] <silverarrow> or java error
[20:24] <silverarrow> not sure what package to blame on
[20:25] <silverarrow> should I file a bug?
[20:25] <silverarrow> it could even be regarded a security risk
[20:25] <yofel> firefox crashing is worth a report in any case
[20:26] <silverarrow> and bankID is widely used with sensitive info
[20:26] <silverarrow> so, java or firefox trouble ?
[20:26] <silverarrow> both probably
[20:27] <silverarrow> yofel, what are you on, i386 or i686?
[20:27] <yofel> x86_64
[20:27] <silverarrow> or 64 bit I mean
[20:27] <silverarrow> I get those confused
[20:30] <IdleOne> no crash here on 32bit
[20:31] <IdleOne> using firefox also
[20:33] <silverarrow> IdleOne: the test ran through?
[20:34] <IdleOne> as far as I can tell
[20:35] <IdleOne> Should I see anything beneath Test din BankID ?
[20:35] <IdleOne> an image or something?
[20:35] <silverarrow> yes, there should pop up a java window
[20:36] <IdleOne> ah, no. no java popup
[20:36] <IdleOne> but firefox is not crashing.
[20:36] <silverarrow> I only get as far as "trust this site" I mark of for yes, and crash
[20:36] <silverarrow> hmm
[20:37] <IdleOne> a bug is worth reporting IMO
[20:37] <silverarrow> idle, which java do you have, I have icetea and java common
[20:37] <silverarrow> IdleOne: sorry
[20:38] <IdleOne> oops I don't have java installed
[20:38] <IdleOne> that would explain the test not working
[20:44] <silverarrow> yeah, i386 crashes too
[20:44] <silverarrow> works in windows
[20:54] <silverarrow> I made a bug report, hope it gets noticed. It is the same in 12.04 too, but I could not find any bug reports
[20:54] <silverarrow> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1062543
[21:08] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: installing nvidia-current didn't work. Reinstalled the proprietary driver. Now system boots properly during a cold boot, I Updated initramfs which i forgot to do after removing the vesafb from the blacklist ad that might have solved the problem
[21:09] <yofel> weird
[21:09] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: I have something related error message from nvida installed log after uninstall?
[21:09] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: do you want to see it?
[21:10] <yofel> feel free to pastebin it
[21:13] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: the log lot overwritten during later  install process sorry. But i can remember it said something like " Unable to restore the symbolic link to libgl.so because the file exists"
[21:13] <yofel> ah, the alternatives might have confused it
[21:13] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ya
[21:14] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: so can i assume that if the nvidia-current from the repos work in ubuntu 12.10 will also work in  kubuntu 12.10?
[21:14] <yofel> shouldn't make a difference
[21:15] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: In that case , peace of mind for me.
[21:16] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: I am off to bed now, see you later
[21:17] <yofel> gn
[21:17] <silverarrow> yofel, could you open browser in terminal and navigate to the java bank test?
[21:17] <silverarrow> if you are not too buisy
[21:17] <yofel> will have to wait a bit
[21:17] <silverarrow> that is fine
[21:47] <komputes> Does anyone know how to disable advanced visual effects in Quantal?
[21:56] <bekks> Someone please can clue me on how to crosscompile a kernel for ppc on a x86_64 box?
[22:00] <TJ-> bekks: I wrote on article on CC for ARM, and I've used it myself as a basis to do CC for MIPS too. It may help you: http://tjworld.net/wiki/Linux/Kernel/ARMCrossCompileOnIntel
[22:02] <bekks> I guess it strictly depends on ARM :(
[22:04] <Milos_SD> hi guys... I have a little problem ... some gtk applications use kde (qt) theme
[22:04] <Milos_SD> pidgin, xchat, firefox, deluge ...
[22:05] <Milos_SD> it happend after I started kde session... now  in unity, and gnome, gtk apps use qt theme :S
[22:05] <Milos_SD> how can I fix that? :S
[22:07] <silverarrow> Milos_SD: did you start Pidgin in terminal?
[22:07] <Milos_SD> no
[22:07] <Milos_SD> but I can
[22:08] <bekks> TJ-: Do you think http://www.ifp.illinois.edu/~nakazato/tips/xgcc.html would work for crosscompiling a kernel?
[22:08] <Milos_SD> http://pastebin.com/Q57JRmrv
[22:08] <Milos_SD> silverarrow, there is a lot of this in xsession-errors too
[22:09] <TJ-> bekks: I installed a pre-made MIPS CC, and just used it where my article instructions said to use the ARM tools.
[22:10] <TJ-> bekks: I'm just starting up the PC that has it on to find out what it is and where I got it
[22:10] <silverarrow> Milos_SD: oh, a good list of errors
[22:10] <bekks> TJ-: :)
[22:11] <Milos_SD> silverarrow, I found this file ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini ...
[22:11] <Milos_SD> and there was gtk-theme-name: oxygen-gtk
[22:11] <Milos_SD> :)
[22:11] <Milos_SD> do I change it to "ambiance"?
[22:12] <TJ-> bekks: OK. I got the mips 3.3.6 toolchain from a source/tool drop for an embedded Linux PCI ADSL device. There should be other sources for it, but I'll link you to another article detailing that toolchain and how I installed it.  http://tjworld.net/wiki/Linux/Embedded/Infineon/Danube/ADSL2PCI#BuildingfromSource
[22:12] <silverarrow> not sure really
[22:12] <silverarrow> I`m not clever enough to suggest a fix
[22:17] <Milos_SD> fixed it :)
[22:17] <Milos_SD> there was .gtkrc-2.0-kde4 file in my home dir :D
[22:17] <silverarrow> x errors are always  horrid to track down
[22:17] <Milos_SD> deleted it, and now it is ok :)
[22:17] <silverarrow> good
[22:17] <silverarrow> clever guy ;. )
[22:17] <Milos_SD> now kde apps don't use kde theme, but gtk... but that, I can fix :D
[22:18] <silverarrow> I`m struggling to understand driver issues and bypassed graphics card
[22:19] <bekks> TJ-: I guess thats a bit of "too much" for me, since I just dont get it on how to adapt that for a PPC.
[22:20] <bekks> TJ-: Do you know something about "icecream"?
[22:20] <Milos_SD> silverarrow, what drivers issues?
[22:21] <silverarrow> radeon drivers, and an ibook which only works with software rendered graphics
[22:22] <bekks> TJ-: What do you think about http://en.opensuse.org/Icecream#Cross-Compiling_for_embedded_targets_using_icecream
[22:22] <silverarrow> there is a bug report on it too
[22:22] <TJ-> bekks: Ice-cream Sandwich, aka Android 4.0 ?
[22:24] <bekks> TJ-: No, icecream the distributed whatever compiler, like distcc
[22:25] <TJ-> bekks: Oh! it is an alternative to distcc for distributed compilation across a build farm
[22:26] <silverarrow> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/1058641
[22:27] <silverarrow> do you think it is possible to compile tenfourfox on ubuntu?
[22:27] <bekks> TJ-: Yes :)
[22:27] <silverarrow> it is made for osx
[22:29] <Milos_SD> if there is no linux version, then no ...
[22:30] <silverarrow> it is open source, but no linux version
[22:30] <Milos_SD> you can alweys try, but I don't think it will work
[22:30] <silverarrow> I wish it was though
[22:31] <silverarrow> it is great for ppc
[22:31] <silverarrow> however, ubuntu ppc packages can be good too
[22:32] <silverarrow> they need some attention though, like html5 and other media streams in browsers