[00:33] <earthling_> Do I need a firefox ppa to get security updates?
[00:37] <wilee-nilee> earthling_, What  is the ubuntu release, and the Firfox version.
[00:37] <wilee-nilee> firefox*
[00:38] <earthling_> I'm using Lucid and Firefox 15.0.1
[00:39] <earthling_> I must have added a PPA long time ago
[00:39] <earthling_> it says its not find, maybe they ended it
[00:40] <earthling_> wilee-nilee
[00:40] <wilee-nilee> earthling_, That is the latest release if it is a PPA you can look at the updates, you may or may not be getting updates if it is not being updated
[00:40] <earthling_> not sure if I need a PPA at all
[00:41] <earthling_> I just like using the stable new release
[00:41] <earthling_> not the beta versions
[00:41] <krytarik> earthling_, you don't need any PPA (I'm using Lucid 10.04 too).
[00:41] <wilee-nilee> earthling_, I'm not sure what FF is applied in lucid, my guess would be the latest conical iteration.
[00:42] <wilee-nilee> canonoical*
[00:42] <krytarik> lol
[00:42] <earthling_> canonical
[00:42] <krytarik> :)
[00:42] <earthling_> I see
[00:42] <wilee-nilee> hehe, I just use the darn software.
[00:42] <krytarik> :P
[00:43] <krytarik> Looks funny nevertheless. :P
[00:44] <wilee-nilee> Yeah it does now, I'm trying to use my electric shaver at the same time, two activities are to much for me.
[00:44] <earthling_> so PPA's are for beta testers and early adopters?
[00:44] <krytarik> earthling_, yes.
[00:44] <earthling_> ok
[00:45] <krytarik> wilee-nilee, :P
[00:45] <earthling_> I've noticed that chromium runs a bit faster than firefox
[00:46] <earthling_> you guys seen that too?
[00:47] <wilee-nilee> not here I have FF to run like a bat out of hades.
[00:47] <earthling_> have you compared it with chromium?
[00:48] <earthling_> maybe I need to do some tweakes
[00:48] <wilee-nilee> Yeah but the difference is negligible I like the addons of FF better many more that I need.
[00:48] <krytarik> If I have a couple of must-have add-ons enabled in Chromium, it loads the pages way slower; if not, it may load some sites faster.
[00:49] <earthling_> my add-ons slowed it down a tiny bit too
[00:51] <krytarik> earthling_, I'm talking about some 50% upwards difference here.
[00:51] <earthling_> that's alot
[00:52] <earthling_> I just have adblock
[00:52] <krytarik> Like 30 secs compared to 20 secs with Firefox.
[00:52] <earthling_> I guess the more add-ons you have, the slower it is
[00:53] <krytarik> Yes, but not really noticable with Firefox.
[00:53] <earthling_> extensions or add-ons?
[00:53] <earthling_> same thing?
[00:53] <krytarik> Yes.
[00:54] <earthling_> ok
[00:55] <earthling_> do I need ubuntu firefox modifications add-on?
[00:55] <krytarik> At least when it comes to the stuff we are talking about.
[00:55] <earthling_> Ive had it forever
[00:55] <earthling_> 2.1.1
[00:55] <wilee-nilee> fasterfox seems to speed up ff along with running noscript and addblock , cutting down on the scripts
[00:55] <krytarik> Personally, I have that disabled, but it may be useful in some occasions.
[00:56] <krytarik> ^^ Ubuntu Firefox Modifications, that is
[00:57] <earthling_> theres also fasterfox lite
[00:58] <krytarik> Ironically, Adblock and NotScripts are exactly those extensions that slow down Chromium the most. :P
[01:00] <earthling_> yeah
[01:00] <krytarik> ^^ And those are the extensions I referred to as "must-have" earlier.
[01:01] <earthling_> I don't mind scripts as much as ads
[01:04] <krytarik> Well, I'm using a 12-year-old computer, so if every sorts of scripts are always run, it increases the pageload time heavily.
[01:05] <earthling_> I see
[01:05] <earthling_> there's always lynx, if you want to get real spartan
[01:05] <earthling_> links
[01:05] <krytarik> Hehe. :P
[01:06] <earthling_> :)
[01:06] <krytarik> I'd use a command line IRC client, but a command line web browser, not so much. :P
[01:33] <earthling_> I'm getting a warning when trying to install security updates through Update Manager   "you are about install software that can't be authenticated"
[01:34] <earthling_> whats that about?
[01:34] <earthling_> I just removed a ppa, maybe its related
[01:36] <krytarik> earthling_, please run -- sudo apt-get update -- in the Terminal and pastebin the error messages.
[01:37] <earthling_> k
[01:39] <earthling_> http://pastebin.com/Ymz8Piv5
[01:41] <krytarik> Ok, first try just running: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 40976EAF437D05B5
[01:41] <earthling_> maybe they are reducing support for lucid users trying to get people to update
[01:42] <krytarik> And if that doesn't help already, follow the other steps outlined here: http://cortman.wordpress.com/2012/02/27/how-to-fix-gpg-errors-in-ubuntu/
[01:42] <krytarik> earthling_, no. ;)
[01:44] <earthling_> so keys are like checksum for updates?
[01:44] <earthling_> to make sure its from official canonical servers?
[01:48] <earthling_> krytarik
[01:49] <krytarik> earthling_, they are used to make sure the fetched package info, as well as packages, are from the respective repositories/PPAs, it's not like checksum though.
[01:49] <earthling_> ic
[01:50] <krytarik> Did it work now?
[01:51] <earthling_> is that all in one line?
[01:51] <earthling_> sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 40976EAF437D05B5
[01:52] <krytarik> Oh, yes, it is, didn't check that after copying it from that website.
[01:52] <earthling_> ok, no warning now
[01:52] <earthling_> guess it works :)
[01:52] <earthling_> thx
[01:54] <krytarik> And sorry, was searching for a more elaborate explanation for those keys on the internet, didn't find one in that time though. :P
[01:55] <earthling_> np, I was looking too
[01:56] <earthling_> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/add-applications/C/adding-repos.html
[01:58] <krytarik> Ah, -there-, didn't even expect any explanation of that in there. :P
[01:59] <earthling_> I wonder why they don't use PGP , which is open source too I think
[02:00] <krytarik> But a snippet of that is even shown on the Google result page, underneath its link, oh well... :P
[02:01] <krytarik> Hey, I have a great explanation for -that-, wait... :P
[02:01] <krytarik> http://askubuntu.com/questions/186805/difference-between-pgp-and-gpg
[02:03] <earthling_> good thread
[02:04] <krytarik> Yeah, indeed, came across it recently (via Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter), really nicely explained. :)
[02:07] <krytarik> And thanks to that, now you gonna have a problem when it comes to naming those keys, either GPG, like most people seem to do, or the correct, but probably rather confusing term PGP, like I had just now. :P
[02:16] <earthling_> cya
[02:23] <momule> cya
[02:23] <momule> leaving
[04:21] <acolytetojippity> hey, quick question, when installing ubuntu on a portable hard drive, do i need to make a seperate partition for /boot, /home, /usr, etc. or can i install the whole thing to one larger partition (i guess mounting '/' to it?)
[04:23] <geirha> one is enough, yes
[04:27] <acolytetojippity> is there any reason why grub would be yelling at me for having an unrecognized filesystem?
[04:27] <acolytetojippity> it won't let me boot
[04:29] <geirha> which filesystem did you use?
[04:31] <acolytetojippity> well, there are 3 partitions on the drive
[04:32] <acolytetojippity> a very large ntfs for storage of files and so i can use the drive on windows
[04:32] <acolytetojippity> a smaller swap partition
[04:32] <acolytetojippity> and then a 50 GB ext3 partition i mounted '/' to
[04:34] <geirha> And you created this with the Ubuntu installer?
[04:36] <acolytetojippity> yep
[04:36] <acolytetojippity> the drive looks like:
[04:36] <acolytetojippity> ~428GB NTFS in front
[04:36] <acolytetojippity> 2GB swap partition
[04:36] <acolytetojippity> 50GB ext3 partiton, with '/' mounted to it
[04:38] <geirha> grub should handle that as long as the bios handles drives of that size
[04:39] <acolytetojippity> it does.  but grub complains about an unrecognized filesystem
[04:39] <acolytetojippity> and gives me some sort of grub Rescue> prompe
[04:39] <acolytetojippity> *prompt
[04:41] <geirha> Did you specify where to install grub in the installer?
[04:45] <acolytetojippity> meaning MBR?
[04:46] <geirha> If you don't specify, it installs it on the MBR of the first harddrive (which is fine)
[04:46] <acolytetojippity> it asked me where to install the MBR
[04:47] <acolytetojippity> so i said on the thing itself
[04:47] <geirha> I'm just wondering if you possibly have multiple grub installs (from previous botched installs), and your bios is finding the wrong one
[04:47] <acolytetojippity> (/sda, not /sda1 or /sda2)
[04:47] <acolytetojippity> i doubt it.  i'll completely format the thing though
[04:47] <acolytetojippity> try from a fresh slate
[04:48] <geirha> so the large ntfs hasn't been used yet?
[04:49] <acolytetojippity> no
[04:49] <acolytetojippity> and it's for reducing my internal's obesity
[04:49] <acolytetojippity> it has a LOT of anime on it...
[04:49] <acolytetojippity> -_-'
[04:51] <geirha> Well, I'd consider deleting the ext3 and swap parts, create them at the start, either by moving the ntfs partition to the end first, or ditching that as well and recreate all three
[04:52] <acolytetojippity> i can't move the ntfs to the end
[04:52] <acolytetojippity> then windows won't recognize the drive at all
[04:52] <acolytetojippity> if it sees an ext3 at the front, it assumes the entire drive is borked
[04:54] <geirha> really? that must be a new feature of recent windows versions then
[04:55] <acolytetojippity> no, neither my lapotp nor my parents pc nor my personal desktop will recognize a drive with a non-windows-useable filesystem in the front
[04:55] <acolytetojippity> you can see it if you go through disk management, but not in explorer
[04:56] <geirha> acolytetojippity: when you tried this, was the ntfs a primary partition or a logical one (partition inside an extended partition)?
[04:56] <acolytetojippity> i believe primary
[04:57] <acolytetojippity> but the folks on #ubuntu have walked/talked me through a shitton of stuff, and it seems like the best plan is to just try again
[04:59] <geirha> windows generally only use one primary partition and have all the remaining partitions on the drive logical
[05:00] <geirha> so   50G primary ext4, then rest of the drive extended, and put the swap and ntfs inside the extended. Might work a bit better.
[05:00] <acolytetojippity> but, windows won't see the ntfs with that setup
[05:01] <acolytetojippity> idk, i'll just try again
[05:01] <acolytetojippity> thanks for the help though!
[05:01] <geirha> aight
[18:50] <TheChaser> Anyone there that could help a quick sec?
[18:55] <escott> !ask | TheCh
[18:55] <ubot2> TheCh: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience