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| * skaet waves hello, and goes to line up her starting remarks ;) | 14:55 | |
| * smartboyhw waves | 14:55 | |
| skaet | :) | 14:55 |
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| mdeslaur | hello | 14:56 |
| davmor2 | skaet: are they, are you sitting comfortably then I'll begin......? | 14:56 |
| smartboyhw | ow two weeks before release | 14:56 |
| skaet | davmor2, I'll start the meeting at the top of the hour. | 14:57 |
| skaet | hiya mdeslaur | 14:57 |
| smartboyhw | Uh oh skaet did balloons sent his release team mail? | 14:58 |
| skaet | smartboyhw, afraid not. | 14:58 |
| skaet | or at least I didn't see anything when I did a final check 10 minutes ago | 14:58 |
| smartboyhw | skaet, I told him to do so for a part in the marathon clearly he didn't listen to the advice oh man | 14:58 |
| smartboyhw | Hmm.... | 14:59 |
| ogra_ | yo | 15:00 |
| skaet | smartboyhw, if you know of any issues that he may have been concerned about, feel free to bring up during the meeting. | 15:00 |
| skaet | #startmeeting | 15:00 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Fri Oct 5 15:00:14 2012 UTC. The chair is skaet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 15:00 |
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| skaet | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2012-10-05. | 15:00 |
| skaet | Upcoming dates: | 15:00 |
| skaet | 12.10 | 15:00 |
| skaet | 2012/10/04: Kernel Freeze and Desktop Infrastructure Freeze at 2100 UTC | 15:00 |
| skaet | 2012/10/09: Translation Deadline at 1030 UTC and Final Freeze at 2100 UTC | 15:00 |
| skaet | 2012/10/11 - Release Candidate, and Release Note Content Freeze | 15:00 |
| skaet | 2012/10/16 - Unseeded Universe Final Freeze | 15:00 |
| skaet | October 18 - 12.10 Release | 15:00 |
| skaet | . | 15:00 |
| skaet | Bugs: | 15:00 |
| skaet | Development teams are trying to fix: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-tracking-bug-tasks.html | 15:00 |
| skaet | To be considered for fixing: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-incoming-bug-tasks.html | 15:00 |
| skaet | . | 15:00 |
| skaet | Work Items: | 15:00 |
| skaet | 2012/10/05 - 2997 (was 2997 - 2012/09/28): Thank you for the recent push to clean up the feature status. :) | 15:00 |
| skaet | We are still behind the trendline for some of the projects. Please help get us back where we should be by making sure https://launchpad.net/~/+upcomingwork is up to date for your tasks. If something is clearly not going to make it this cycle, please mark it POSTPONED. | 15:00 |
| skaet | . | 15:00 |
| skaet | Thanks to those who sent in status emails, if there are recent additions, could you please paste the link here in the channel, since there weren’t that many when I checked earlier this morning... | 15:00 |
| skaet | . | 15:00 |
| skaet | Weekly Status Received: | 15:00 |
| skaet | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/001997.html - QA - plars | 15:00 |
| skaet | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/001999.html - desktop - didrocks | 15:01 |
| skaet | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/001996.html - security - mdeslaur | 15:01 |
| skaet | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002010.html - HWCert - roadmr https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/001998.html - kernel - ogasawara | 15:01 |
| skaet | - ubuntu one | 15:01 |
| skaet | - community - balloons | 15:01 |
| skaet | - server - arosales | 15:01 |
| skaet | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002000.html - linaro - fabo | 15:01 |
| skaet | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002002.html - Unity - popey | 15:01 |
| skaet | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002008.html - foundations - ogra_ | 15:01 |
| skaet | https://lists.ubuntu | 15:01 |
| skaet | hmm... seem to have run into a buffer limit, :P, here's the rest | 15:01 |
| skaet | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002001.html - kubuntu - RIddell | 15:01 |
| skaet | - edubuntu - stgraber | 15:01 |
| skaet | - xubuntu - knome | 15:01 |
| skaet | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002009.html- Ubuntu Studio - smartboyhw | 15:01 |
| skaet | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002003.html - Lubuntu - gilir | 15:01 |
| skaet | #topic Comments and Questions | 15:01 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Comments and Questions | ||
| highvoltage | skaet: stgraber and myself are at a hackfest so apologies for missing the Edubuntu notes | 15:02 |
| highvoltage | skaet: afaict there wasn't something specifically noteworthy to report this week | 15:02 |
| skaet | thanks highvoltage, if there are issues, bring it up today. But glad things seem to be smooth. | 15:02 |
| skaet | usual conventions apply, please raise hand 'o/', if you have question. | 15:03 |
| highvoltage | ok will do | 15:03 |
| skaet | welcome everyone | 15:03 |
| Riddell | hi | 15:03 |
| skaet | we're entering the final push of bug fixes before we go into final freeze next Tuesday. | 15:03 |
| seb128 | skaet, (desktop -> I'm back from holidays so didrocks->-seb128) | 15:04 |
| skaet | Thanks seb, sorry about that on the summary. | 15:04 |
| seb128 | (np ;-) | 15:04 |
| skaet | any other corrections or additons to the list of status? | 15:04 |
| skaet | Daviey, are you covering for arosales this week? | 15:04 |
| skaet | hmm... while we wait to hear from Daviey (and find out if there are any concerns on the server side) | 15:05 |
| skaet | want to know if anyone else has concerns not in the weekly status already they want to bring up? | 15:06 |
| skaet | key bug fixes needed, etc.? | 15:06 |
| Daviey | skaet: yes | 15:06 |
| skaet | Thanks Daviey, what's on the radar to land between now and Final Freeze? anything critical? | 15:06 |
| Riddell | I've had a mysterious report of installs not finishing which I can't recreate - bug 1062180 | 15:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1062180 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Quantal) "Ubiquity won't finish installation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1062180 | 15:07 |
| Daviey | skaet: I would be expecting at least one more maas upload (on cd), and various openstack uploads (archive only) | 15:07 |
| Daviey | There are a few bugs being caught at the moment, which are a little nasty | 15:08 |
| skaet | ok. we have mozilla decision (and possible upload) on Tuesday next week. Can you avoid it? | 15:08 |
| skaet | ie. can we get the maas issues mostly landed by EOD monday? | 15:09 |
| skaet | Daviey, ^? | 15:11 |
| Daviey | skaet: unlikely | 15:12 |
| Daviey | skaet: I wouldn't be surprised if there are a couple of smallish things still trickling in towards the end of the week | 15:12 |
| skaet | Daviey, we're spinning release candidates up on Thursday, so SRU time after tuesday (Final Freeze), unless they are release critical. | 15:13 |
| Daviey | right! | 15:13 |
| skaet | .. | 15:13 |
| Daviey | (thanks) | 15:13 |
| Laney | is freeipmi in a position to be MIRed? | 15:14 |
| skaet | plars, have you seen any sign of bug Riddell mentions? | 15:14 |
| Laney | Daviey: ^ | 15:14 |
| * plars looks | 15:14 | |
| plars | doesn't sound familiar | 15:14 |
| skaet | Riddell, anyone else able to confirm it? | 15:14 |
| plars | I just finished up an amd64 installation a few minutes ago, and I know psivaa has done some this morning also, but we'll keep an eye out for it | 15:15 |
| skaet | (and yeah if there is something weird going on, and its common, nows the time to know ;) ) | 15:15 |
| Riddell | skaet: xnox had no initial ideas | 15:15 |
| skaet | thanks plars. :) | 15:15 |
| jibel | plars, Riddell skaet sounds like bug 1059619 | 15:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1059619 in grub-installer (Ubuntu Quantal) "Installation hangs on: grub-mount /dev/sdb1 /var/lib/os-prober/mount" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1059619 | 15:15 |
| Riddell | jibel: mm could be, I'll pass that to the reporter | 15:16 |
| skaet | thanks jibel, Riddell | 15:17 |
| skaet | .. | 15:17 |
| plars | jibel: you have a reliable way to reproduce? | 15:17 |
| jibel | plars, yes my 2 laptops | 15:17 |
| Daviey | Laney: it was in progress, checking state.. Needed one more fix. | 15:18 |
| Daviey | (I'm sure it will be fixed today) | 15:20 |
| Daviey | .. | 15:20 |
| Laney | ok, just wondering as that component mismatch has been around for quite some time .. | 15:21 |
| Daviey | .. but not forgot. | 15:21 |
| skaet | ogra_, plars - how are the arm desktop and server test results looking? | 15:22 |
| ogra_ | pretty good i think | 15:22 |
| plars | I'm looking at desktop right now | 15:23 |
| plars | about to take a look at server | 15:23 |
| * ogra_ doesnt expect any regressions | 15:23 | |
| ogra_ | it will be as speedy and blingy as it was in beta on desktop :) | 15:24 |
| plars | I was just discussing an audio issue, and a keyboard issue with ogra_ but nothing affecting installation on desktop at the moment | 15:24 |
| plars | for server, I had an issue with the keyboard not working at all, and I know that some people have reported that their hdmi monitor doesn't work on install with -server | 15:24 |
| plars | mine works though | 15:24 |
| skaet | plars, thanks. Can you send an update to your weekly status that summarizes the results of the testing on arm after you finish looking? Want to make sure we all have a clean picture of what should be good, and what needs to be release noted. | 15:24 |
| plars | skaet: yep | 15:24 |
| skaet | thanks plars! :) | 15:24 |
| ogra_ | plars, yeah, as paolo just said, kbd should be fixed ... wrt HDMI i would blame the monitors | 15:24 |
| * Daviey doesn't write regressive code. | 15:24 | |
| * ogra_ knows there are still a few that dont work with the driver due to broken EDIDs | 15:25 | |
| ogra_ | .. | 15:25 |
| skaet | .. | 15:25 |
| skaet | seb128, are we likely to get a fix for fontconfig in next day or so, so we can put ubuntu medium font back in? | 15:26 |
| seb128 | skaet, not that I know about, we don't have anyone in desktop who knows about fonts/fontconfig | 15:27 |
| seb128 | not sure if foundation,slangasek is looking at that | 15:27 |
| Laney | there's a fontconfig fix needed? | 15:27 |
| ogra_ | longstanding ... | 15:27 |
| seb128 | Laney, the libreoffice issue seems to be a fontconfig issue | 15:27 |
| * skaet nods | 15:27 | |
| seb128 | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?format=multiple&id=38737 | 15:28 |
| Laney | I thought somebody worked around that in the font itself | 15:28 |
| slangasek | seb128: we don't have anyone in foundations who knows about fontconfig either | 15:28 |
| seb128 | (slangasek, sorry, I keep thinking (wrongly) that you maintain fontconfig as well as freetype in Debian which is why I listed your name ;-) | 15:29 |
| slangasek | :) | 15:29 |
| seb128 | Laney, who is working on the font? | 15:29 |
| skaet | popey, is thre anyone in your organization that can help here? | 15:29 |
| seb128 | Laney, well, Sweetshark wrote: | 15:29 |
| seb128 | " | 15:29 |
| seb128 | this seems not to be an issue in LibreOffice, but in fontconfig. If I read that | 15:29 |
| seb128 | bug right, it would need to be fixed either in fontconfig or workarounded in | 15:29 |
| seb128 | the Ubuntu font itself, but not in LibreOffice." " | 15:29 |
| popey | skaet, we had one guy looking at it, but unfortunately had vacation before he could get to the bottom of it | 15:30 |
| seb128 | Laney, skaet: I've no clue who is in charge of the font or could "workaround in the font itself" there | 15:30 |
| slangasek | seems to me that this should be reverted in the font then | 15:30 |
| popey | then it was passed to Sweetshark to investigate | 15:30 |
| slangasek | it seems very unlikely we're going to fix it on the software side before release | 15:30 |
| popey | we have nobody internally who can work directly on the font - we have to contact DM | 15:30 |
| seb128 | popey, yeah, Sweetshark concluded that there is nothing libreoffice could do there | 15:30 |
| popey | yeah | 15:30 |
| seb128 | and he has been fighting lo-appmenu stuff the whole week | 15:30 |
| slangasek | popey: is there a compelling reason NOT to revert the medium change? | 15:31 |
| popey | yes, he's busy, we were lucky to get a slice of him | 15:31 |
| Laney | slangasek: it already has been | 15:31 |
| slangasek | oh, then what's still outstanding for the release? | 15:31 |
| Laney | putting it back | 15:31 |
| slangasek | I thought this was only about the medium-weight font | 15:31 |
| popey | we would like it in, that's all | 15:31 |
| skaet | trying to get all the bugs fixed. | 15:31 |
| seb128 | slangasek, I think the sabdfl was pushing on the bug for us to resolve the issues and restore the font | 15:31 |
| slangasek | ah | 15:31 |
| popey | that's right | 15:31 |
| seb128 | I'm not sure how unhappy he and others are going to be if that's not the case... | 15:32 |
| seb128 | .. | 15:32 |
| skaet | popey, will you take it up with your management and see if we can come up with other options for getting this sorted? | 15:33 |
| popey | yup | 15:33 |
| skaet | Thanks popey | 15:33 |
| Laney | one second | 15:33 |
| Laney | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1054204 | 15:33 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1054204 in ubuntu-font-family-sources (Ubuntu Quantal) "Libreoffice chooses incorrect font weight" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 15:33 |
| Laney | That's the bug with the workaround | 15:33 |
| Laney | but I understand that we don't have the preferred form for modification for the font, so the change had to be done some other way | 15:34 |
| Laney | ..! | 15:36 |
| skaet | Laney, that looks to me like the workaround could be applied, and we'd get by this impass. Am I missing something?> | 15:36 |
| seb128 | we should probably defer to next cycle at this point | 15:37 |
| Laney | skaet: I think he did some binary hacking to do it | 15:37 |
| Laney | it's not really very satisfactory | 15:37 |
| seb128 | hey rickspencer3 | 15:37 |
| rickspencer3 | hey seb128 | 15:37 |
| Laney | seb128: yeah, if that's an option then we should indeed | 15:37 |
| seb128 | I was asking rickspencer3 how problematic that is if we don't get the font in quantal | 15:37 |
| Laney | we fixed the Qt side at least | 15:37 |
| rickspencer3 | hi | 15:38 |
| Laney | ahoy | 15:38 |
| skaet | rickspencer3, opinion? | 15:38 |
| seb128 | right, progress, it doesn't seem likely the libreoffice issue will be sorted out soon though... | 15:38 |
| rickspencer3 | I think it would be a shame not to include it after all that was invested in it, but it doesn't sound ready | 15:38 |
| Laney | perhaps mirv could enlighten us about his fix | 15:38 |
| Laney | it does seem a bit sad that we're not really able to modify the font | 15:38 |
| rickspencer3 | skaet, does that help? | 15:39 |
| skaet | rickspencer3, yes it doesn't sound ready. Any thoughts on ways we can get it ready in next few days? | 15:40 |
| rickspencer3 | skaet, not really, it just sounds too late to get it integrated | 15:40 |
| rickspencer3 | if it's not working with Libre Office when we drop it in, it just seems like we need to move on to release without it | 15:40 |
| skaet | rickspencer3, ok. putting it on the shelf then for R, rather than introducing bugs into quantal. | 15:41 |
| skaet | .. | 15:41 |
| rickspencer3 | if we start going around fixing this, fixing that, I fear we will get a cascade of knock on regressions | 15:41 |
| * skaet nods | 15:41 | |
| rickspencer3 | this would distract us from perhaps fixing critical bugs | 15:41 |
| rickspencer3 | sorry | 15:41 |
| rickspencer3 | I just think we need to move on | 15:41 |
| skaet | ..? | 15:41 |
| rickspencer3 | (sorry to the people who worked hard on it and are passionate about it, I mean) | 15:42 |
| popey | sorry, asked pmcgowan to join us | 15:42 |
| popey | pmcgowan, feeling is introducing this back in means we divert focus from other critical bugs right now.. and we don't have a fix for this, and no obvious way to get one | 15:43 |
| Daviey | Did i missunderstand that it sounds like we have a solution, but involves uploading binary modification.. Is this not a reasonable stop-gap? | 15:43 |
| seb128 | is that a solution or a workaround? | 15:44 |
| seb128 | how confident are we that there are not going to be other issues? | 15:45 |
| seb128 | to me it just seems reality late and we might need to focus the resources on blocker issues next week | 15:45 |
| seb128 | .. | 15:45 |
| pmcgowan | sorry to arrive late | 15:46 |
| pmcgowan | best result would be to fomrulate a real fix for LO or fontconfig once and for all | 15:46 |
| pmcgowan | do you feel the current symptom is critical enough to not ship with? | 15:47 |
| Laney | we "just" don't have the medium weight | 15:47 |
| Laney | I think it's fine to defer | 15:47 |
| pmcgowan | would we add the font back in SRU with a fix to LO? | 15:48 |
| Laney | it's not LO that needs to be fixed, but fontconfig | 15:48 |
| pmcgowan | fine | 15:48 |
| Laney | I'm not sure that is something the SRU team would accept though | 15:49 |
| Laney | slangasek can maybe comment | 15:49 |
| seb128 | pmcgowan, do you think it's important? SRU worth? | 15:49 |
| pmcgowan | there are elements of the UI which never were able to match design because of this, and seems to me an issue that could be resolevd safely by SRU | 15:50 |
| rickspencer3 | it's nice that our quality situation is such that we can consider changes like this at this late game, but realistically, there are still other moving parts | 15:51 |
| slangasek | Laney: I think it would have to be a sadfl in to do it as an SRU | 15:51 |
| pmcgowan | you all know the history, its been 2 years and no fix to fontconfig | 15:51 |
| rickspencer3 | I think introducing this is too much churn | 15:51 |
| slangasek | because that's not sanely regression-testable | 15:51 |
| rickspencer3 | let's ensure that we fix this properly in 13.10, get it banked early in 13.10, and move on | 15:52 |
| Laney | 13.04? :-) | 15:52 |
| rickspencer3 | dang it | 15:52 |
| rickspencer3 | lol | 15:52 |
| skaet | :) | 15:52 |
| rickspencer3 | yeah | 15:52 |
| Laney | fine. Speaking of moving on: | 15:52 |
| Laney | .. | 15:52 |
| pmcgowan | oh well | 15:52 |
| skaet | Thanks all, I think we have our plan for 12.10 and this issue, unless sabdfl wants to weigh in. | 15:53 |
| skaet | .. | 15:53 |
| skaet | anyone else have other critical bug issues to bring up to discuss before I end the meeting? | 15:54 |
| skaet | just want to say thank you to everyone involved for all the hard work and passion on getting 12.04 ready. | 15:55 |
| smartboyhw | skaet, did you say anything wrong? 12.10 right? | 15:55 |
| ogra_ | and 12.10 too | 15:55 |
| Riddell | that was 6 months ago :) | 15:55 |
| ogra_ | :) | 15:55 |
| smartboyhw | :P | 15:56 |
| skaet | lol, my turn now. | 15:56 |
| rickspencer3 | someone forgot to update skeatbot | 15:56 |
| skaet | yes. 12.10 | 15:56 |
| skaet | There will be a meeting next week, and then there will be a break until they start up for 13.04. | 15:56 |
| skaet | date for that is TBD. | 15:57 |
| smartboyhw | Yay | 15:57 |
| skaet | Lets make 12.10 go out nice and with as much quality as we can squeeze in, over the next few days!! bug fixes still welcome. ;) | 15:57 |
| skaet | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
| Daviey | skaet announced 12.10 is canceled, and rickspencer3 announcing 13.04 is delayed until 13.10.. OMG! Ubuntu will have fun. | 15:58 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Fri Oct 5 15:58:02 2012 UTC. | 15:58 |
| meetingology | Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-10-05-15.00.moin.txt | 15:58 |
| meetingology | Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-10-05-15.00.html | 15:58 |
| smartboyhw | Thanks skaet | 15:58 |
| Daviey | thanks skaet | 15:58 |
| skaet | Thanks for that commentary Daviey - :P | 15:58 |
| skaet | lol | 15:58 |
| Riddell | thanks for your hard work too skaet | 15:58 |
| mdeslaur | thanks skaet! | 15:58 |
| ogra_ | thanks skaet | 15:58 |
| skaet | Thanks seb128, slangasek, smartboyhw, ogra_, plars, rickspencer3, pmcgowan, Laney, popey, Daviey, Riddell, highvoltage, mdeslaur | 15:59 |
| seb128 | skaet, thanks | 15:59 |
| Laney | \o | 15:59 |
| skaet | have a good weekend all. | 15:59 |
| seb128 | skaet, oh, a quick thing | 15:59 |
| Laney | o/ | 15:59 |
| seb128 | firefox 16 release is planned on tuesday | 16:00 |
| seb128 | I don't know if that's something you want to try to get on quantal iso ? | 16:00 |
| skaet | yup seb128, jdstrand is going to make the call on the mozilla drop for us on Tuesday | 16:00 |
| seb128 | Chris said to talk to jdstrand about that | 16:00 |
| seb128 | ok | 16:00 |
| seb128 | I just wanted to point it | 16:00 |
| seb128 | thanks | 16:00 |
| skaet | Thanks for pointing it out. :) | 16:01 |
| * skaet linking Laney was waving bye-bye | 16:01 | |
| Laney | yeah I realised we use that for raising hand :( | 16:01 |
| skaet | :) no worries, figured it out. | 16:01 |
| smartboyhw | Thanks skaet again:) | 16:04 |
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