[14:55]  * skaet waves hello, and goes to line up her starting remarks  ;)
[14:55]  * smartboyhw waves
[14:55] <skaet> :)
[14:56] <mdeslaur> hello
[14:56] <davmor2> skaet: are they, are you sitting comfortably then I'll begin......?
[14:56] <smartboyhw> ow two weeks before release
[14:57] <skaet> davmor2,  I'll start the meeting at the top of the hour.
[14:57] <skaet> hiya mdeslaur
[14:58] <smartboyhw> Uh oh skaet did balloons sent his release team mail?
[14:58] <skaet> smartboyhw,  afraid not.
[14:58] <skaet> or at least I didn't see anything when I did a final check 10 minutes ago
[14:58] <smartboyhw> skaet, I told him to do so for a part in the marathon clearly he didn't listen to the advice oh man
[14:59] <smartboyhw> Hmm....
[15:00] <ogra_> yo
[15:00] <skaet> smartboyhw,  if you know of any issues that he may have been concerned about,  feel free to bring up during the meeting.
[15:00] <skaet> #startmeeting
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[15:00] <skaet> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2012-10-05.
[15:00] <skaet> Upcoming dates:
[15:00] <skaet> 12.10
[15:00] <skaet>     2012/10/04: Kernel Freeze and Desktop Infrastructure Freeze at 2100 UTC
[15:00] <skaet>     2012/10/09: Translation Deadline at 1030 UTC and Final Freeze at 2100 UTC
[15:00] <skaet>     2012/10/11 - Release Candidate, and Release Note Content Freeze
[15:00] <skaet>     2012/10/16 - Unseeded Universe Final Freeze
[15:00] <skaet>     October 18 - 12.10 Release
[15:00] <skaet> .
[15:00] <skaet> Bugs:
[15:00] <skaet> Development teams are trying to fix: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[15:00] <skaet> To be considered for fixing: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[15:00] <skaet> .
[15:00] <skaet> Work Items:
[15:00] <skaet> 2012/10/05 -  2997 (was 2997  - 2012/09/28):   Thank you for the recent push to clean up the feature status.  :)
[15:00] <skaet> We are still behind the trendline for some of the projects.  Please help get us back where we should be by making sure https://launchpad.net/~/+upcomingwork is up to date for your tasks. If something is clearly not going to make it this cycle, please mark it POSTPONED.
[15:00] <skaet> .
[15:00] <skaet> Thanks to those who sent in status emails,  if there are recent additions, could you please paste the link here in the channel,  since there weren’t that many when I checked earlier this morning...
[15:00] <skaet> .
[15:00] <skaet> Weekly Status Received:
[15:00] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/001997.html  - QA - plars
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/001999.html - desktop - didrocks
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/001996.html - security - mdeslaur
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002010.html  - HWCert - roadmr https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/001998.html - kernel - ogasawara
[15:01] <skaet> - ubuntu one
[15:01] <skaet> - community - balloons
[15:01] <skaet> - server - arosales
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002000.html - linaro - fabo
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002002.html - Unity - popey
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002008.html - foundations - ogra_
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu
[15:01] <skaet> hmm... seem to have run into a buffer limit,  :P,  here's the rest
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002001.html  - kubuntu - RIddell
[15:01] <skaet> - edubuntu - stgraber
[15:01] <skaet> - xubuntu - knome
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002009.html- Ubuntu Studio - smartboyhw
[15:01] <skaet> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002003.html  - Lubuntu - gilir
[15:01] <skaet> #topic Comments and Questions
[15:02] <highvoltage> skaet: stgraber and myself are at a hackfest so apologies for missing the Edubuntu notes
[15:02] <highvoltage> skaet: afaict there wasn't something specifically noteworthy to report this week
[15:02] <skaet> thanks highvoltage,   if there are issues,  bring it up today.  But glad things seem to be smooth.
[15:03] <skaet> usual conventions apply,  please raise hand 'o/', if you have question.
[15:03] <highvoltage> ok will do
[15:03] <skaet> welcome everyone
[15:03] <Riddell> hi
[15:03] <skaet> we're entering the final push of bug fixes before we go into final freeze next Tuesday.
[15:04] <seb128> skaet, (desktop -> I'm back from holidays so didrocks->-seb128)
[15:04] <skaet> Thanks seb,  sorry about that on the summary.
[15:04] <seb128> (np ;-)
[15:04] <skaet> any other corrections or additons to the list of status?
[15:04] <skaet> Daviey,  are you covering for arosales this week?
[15:05] <skaet> hmm... while we wait to hear from Daviey (and find out if there are any concerns on the server side)
[15:06] <skaet> want to know if anyone else has concerns not in the weekly status already they want to bring up?
[15:06] <skaet> key bug fixes needed,  etc.?
[15:06] <Daviey> skaet: yes
[15:06] <skaet> Thanks Daviey,   what's on the radar to land between now and Final Freeze?   anything critical?
[15:07] <Riddell> I've had a mysterious report of installs not finishing which I can't recreate - bug 1062180
[15:07] <Daviey> skaet: I would be expecting at least one more maas upload (on cd), and various openstack uploads (archive only)
[15:08] <Daviey> There are a few bugs being caught at the moment, which are a little nasty
[15:08] <skaet> ok.   we have mozilla decision (and possible upload)  on Tuesday next week.   Can you avoid it?
[15:09] <skaet> ie.  can we get the maas issues mostly landed by EOD monday?
[15:11] <skaet> Daviey, ^?
[15:12] <Daviey> skaet: unlikely
[15:12] <Daviey> skaet: I wouldn't be surprised if there are a couple of smallish things still trickling in towards the end of the week
[15:13] <skaet> Daviey, we're spinning release candidates up on Thursday, so SRU time after tuesday (Final Freeze),  unless they are release critical.
[15:13] <Daviey> right!
[15:13] <skaet> ..
[15:13] <Daviey> (thanks)
[15:14] <Laney> is freeipmi in a position to be MIRed?
[15:14] <skaet> plars, have you seen any sign of bug Riddell mentions?
[15:14] <Laney> Daviey: ^
[15:14]  * plars looks
[15:14] <plars> doesn't sound familiar
[15:14] <skaet> Riddell,  anyone else able to confirm it?
[15:15] <plars> I just finished up an amd64 installation a few minutes ago, and I know psivaa has done some this morning also, but we'll keep an eye out for it
[15:15] <skaet> (and yeah if there is something weird going on, and its common,  nows the time to know ;) )
[15:15] <Riddell> skaet: xnox had no initial ideas
[15:15] <skaet> thanks plars.  :)
[15:15] <jibel> plars, Riddell skaet sounds like bug 1059619
[15:16] <Riddell> jibel: mm could be, I'll pass that to the reporter
[15:17] <skaet> thanks jibel,  Riddell
[15:17] <skaet> ..
[15:17] <plars> jibel: you have a reliable way to reproduce?
[15:17] <jibel> plars, yes my 2 laptops
[15:18] <Daviey> Laney: it was in progress, checking state.. Needed one more fix.
[15:20] <Daviey> (I'm sure it will be fixed today)
[15:20] <Daviey> ..
[15:21] <Laney> ok, just wondering as that component mismatch has been around for quite some time ..
[15:21] <Daviey> .. but not forgot.
[15:22] <skaet> ogra_, plars - how are the arm desktop and server test results looking?
[15:22] <ogra_> pretty good i think
[15:23] <plars> I'm looking at desktop right now
[15:23] <plars> about to take a look at server
[15:23]  * ogra_ doesnt expect any regressions
[15:24] <ogra_> it will be as speedy and blingy as it was in beta on desktop :)
[15:24] <plars> I was just discussing an audio issue, and a keyboard issue with ogra_ but nothing affecting installation on desktop at the moment
[15:24] <plars> for server, I had an issue with the keyboard not working at all, and I know that some people have reported that their hdmi monitor doesn't work on install with -server
[15:24] <plars> mine works though
[15:24] <skaet> plars,  thanks.   Can you send an update to your weekly status that summarizes the results of the testing on arm after you finish looking?  Want to make sure we all have a clean picture of what should be good, and what needs to be release noted.
[15:24] <plars> skaet: yep
[15:24] <skaet> thanks plars!  :)
[15:24] <ogra_> plars, yeah, as paolo just said, kbd should be fixed ... wrt HDMI i would blame the monitors
[15:24]  * Daviey doesn't write regressive code.
[15:25]  * ogra_ knows there are still a few that dont work with the driver due to broken EDIDs
[15:25] <ogra_> ..
[15:25] <skaet> ..
[15:26] <skaet> seb128,  are we likely to get a fix for fontconfig in next day or so,  so we can put ubuntu medium font back in?
[15:27] <seb128> skaet, not that I know about, we don't have anyone in desktop who knows about fonts/fontconfig
[15:27] <seb128> not sure if foundation,slangasek is looking at that
[15:27] <Laney> there's a fontconfig fix needed?
[15:27] <ogra_> longstanding ...
[15:27] <seb128> Laney, the libreoffice issue seems to be a fontconfig issue
[15:27]  * skaet nods
[15:28] <seb128>  https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?format=multiple&id=38737
[15:28] <Laney> I thought somebody worked around that in the font itself
[15:28] <slangasek> seb128: we don't have anyone in foundations who knows about fontconfig either
[15:29] <seb128> (slangasek, sorry, I keep thinking  (wrongly) that you maintain fontconfig as well as freetype in Debian which is why I listed your name ;-)
[15:29] <slangasek> :)
[15:29] <seb128> Laney, who is working on the font?
[15:29] <skaet> popey,  is thre anyone in your organization that can help here?
[15:29] <seb128> Laney, well, Sweetshark wrote:
[15:29] <seb128> "
[15:29] <seb128> this seems not to be an issue in LibreOffice, but in fontconfig. If I read that
[15:29] <seb128> bug right, it would need to be fixed either in fontconfig or workarounded in
[15:29] <seb128> the Ubuntu font itself, but not in LibreOffice." "
[15:30] <popey> skaet, we had one guy looking at it, but unfortunately had vacation before he could get to the bottom of it
[15:30] <seb128> Laney, skaet: I've no clue who is in charge of the font or could "workaround in the font itself" there
[15:30] <slangasek> seems to me that this should be reverted in the font then
[15:30] <popey> then it was passed to Sweetshark to investigate
[15:30] <slangasek> it seems very unlikely we're going to fix it on the software side before release
[15:30] <popey> we have nobody internally who can work directly on the font - we have to contact DM
[15:30] <seb128> popey, yeah, Sweetshark concluded that there is nothing libreoffice could do there
[15:30] <popey> yeah
[15:30] <seb128> and he has been fighting lo-appmenu stuff the whole week
[15:31] <slangasek> popey: is there a compelling reason NOT to revert the medium change?
[15:31] <popey> yes, he's busy, we were lucky to get a slice of him
[15:31] <Laney> slangasek: it already has been
[15:31] <slangasek> oh, then what's still outstanding for the release?
[15:31] <Laney> putting it back
[15:31] <slangasek> I thought this was only about the medium-weight font
[15:31] <popey> we would like it in, that's all
[15:31] <skaet> trying to get all the bugs fixed.
[15:31] <seb128> slangasek, I think the sabdfl was pushing on the bug for us to resolve the issues and restore the font
[15:31] <slangasek> ah
[15:31] <popey> that's right
[15:32] <seb128> I'm not sure how unhappy he and others are going to be if that's not the case...
[15:32] <seb128> ..
[15:33] <skaet> popey,  will you take it up with your management and see if we can come up with other options for getting this sorted?
[15:33] <popey> yup
[15:33] <skaet> Thanks popey
[15:33] <Laney> one second
[15:33] <Laney> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1054204
[15:33] <Laney> That's the bug with the workaround
[15:34] <Laney> but I understand that we don't have the preferred form for modification for the font, so the change had to be done some other way
[15:36] <Laney> ..!
[15:36] <skaet> Laney,  that looks to me like the workaround could be applied,  and we'd get by this impass.   Am I missing something?>
[15:37] <seb128> we should probably defer to next cycle at this point
[15:37] <Laney> skaet: I think he did some binary hacking to do it
[15:37] <Laney> it's not really very satisfactory
[15:37] <seb128> hey rickspencer3
[15:37] <rickspencer3> hey seb128
[15:37] <Laney> seb128: yeah, if that's an option then we should indeed
[15:37] <seb128> I was asking rickspencer3 how problematic that is if we don't get the font in quantal
[15:37] <Laney> we fixed the Qt side at least
[15:38] <rickspencer3> hi
[15:38] <Laney> ahoy
[15:38] <skaet> rickspencer3, opinion?
[15:38] <seb128> right, progress, it doesn't seem likely the libreoffice issue will be sorted out soon though...
[15:38] <rickspencer3> I think it would be a shame not to include it after all that was invested in it, but it doesn't sound ready
[15:38] <Laney> perhaps mirv could enlighten us about his fix
[15:38] <Laney> it does seem a bit sad that we're not really able to modify the font
[15:39] <rickspencer3> skaet, does that help?
[15:40] <skaet> rickspencer3, yes it doesn't sound ready.   Any thoughts on ways we can get it ready in next few days?
[15:40] <rickspencer3> skaet, not really, it just sounds too late to get it integrated
[15:40] <rickspencer3> if it's not working with Libre Office when we drop it in, it just seems like we need to move on to release without it
[15:41] <skaet> rickspencer3, ok.  putting it on the shelf then for R,  rather than introducing bugs into quantal.
[15:41] <skaet> ..
[15:41] <rickspencer3> if we start going around fixing this, fixing that, I fear we will get a cascade of knock on regressions
[15:41]  * skaet nods
[15:41] <rickspencer3> this would distract us from perhaps fixing critical bugs
[15:41] <rickspencer3> sorry
[15:41] <rickspencer3> I just think we need to move on
[15:41] <skaet> ..?
[15:42] <rickspencer3> (sorry to the people who worked hard on it and are passionate about it, I mean)
[15:42] <popey> sorry, asked pmcgowan to join us
[15:43] <popey> pmcgowan, feeling is introducing this back in means we divert focus from other critical bugs right now.. and we don't have a fix for this, and no obvious way to get one
[15:43] <Daviey> Did i missunderstand that it sounds like we have a solution, but involves uploading binary modification..  Is this not a reasonable stop-gap?
[15:44] <seb128> is that a solution or a workaround?
[15:45] <seb128> how confident are we that there are not going to be other issues?
[15:45] <seb128> to me it just seems reality late and we might need to focus the resources on blocker issues next week
[15:45] <seb128> ..
[15:46] <pmcgowan> sorry to arrive late
[15:46] <pmcgowan> best result would be to fomrulate a real fix for LO or fontconfig once and for all
[15:47] <pmcgowan> do you feel the current symptom is critical enough to not ship with?
[15:47] <Laney> we "just" don't have the medium weight
[15:47] <Laney> I think it's fine to defer
[15:48] <pmcgowan> would we add the font back in SRU with a fix to LO?
[15:48] <Laney> it's not LO that needs to be fixed, but fontconfig
[15:48] <pmcgowan> fine
[15:49] <Laney> I'm not sure that is something the SRU team would accept though
[15:49] <Laney> slangasek can maybe comment
[15:49] <seb128> pmcgowan, do you think it's important? SRU worth?
[15:50] <pmcgowan> there are elements of the UI which never were able to match design because of this, and seems to me an issue that could be resolevd safely by SRU
[15:51] <rickspencer3> it's nice that our quality situation is such that we can consider changes like this at this late game, but realistically, there are still other moving parts
[15:51] <slangasek> Laney: I think it would have to be a sadfl in to do it as an SRU
[15:51] <pmcgowan> you all know the history, its been 2 years and no fix to fontconfig
[15:51] <rickspencer3> I think introducing this is too much churn
[15:51] <slangasek> because that's not sanely regression-testable
[15:52] <rickspencer3> let's ensure that we fix this properly in 13.10, get it banked early in 13.10, and move on
[15:52] <Laney> 13.04? :-)
[15:52] <rickspencer3> dang it
[15:52] <rickspencer3> lol
[15:52] <skaet> :)
[15:52] <rickspencer3> yeah
[15:52] <Laney> fine. Speaking of moving on:
[15:52] <Laney> ..
[15:52] <pmcgowan> oh well
[15:53] <skaet> Thanks all,  I think we have our plan for 12.10 and this issue, unless sabdfl wants to weigh in.
[15:53] <skaet> ..
[15:54] <skaet> anyone else have other critical bug issues to bring up to discuss before I end the meeting?
[15:55] <skaet> just want to say thank you to everyone involved for all the hard work and passion on getting 12.04 ready.
[15:55] <smartboyhw> skaet, did you say anything wrong? 12.10 right?
[15:55] <ogra_> and 12.10 too
[15:55] <Riddell> that was 6 months ago :)
[15:55] <ogra_> :)
[15:56] <smartboyhw> :P
[15:56] <skaet> lol,  my turn now.
[15:56] <rickspencer3> someone forgot to update skeatbot
[15:56] <skaet> yes.  12.10
[15:56] <skaet> There will be a meeting next week,  and then there will be a break until they start up for 13.04.
[15:57] <skaet> date for that is TBD.
[15:57] <smartboyhw> Yay
[15:57] <skaet> Lets make 12.10 go out nice and with as much quality as we can squeeze in, over the next few days!!   bug fixes still welcome.  ;)
[15:58] <skaet> #endmeeting
[15:58] <Daviey> skaet announced 12.10 is canceled, and rickspencer3 announcing 13.04 is delayed until 13.10.. OMG! Ubuntu will have fun.
[15:58] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Oct  5 15:58:02 2012 UTC.
[15:58] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-10-05-15.00.moin.txt
[15:58] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-10-05-15.00.html
[15:58] <smartboyhw> Thanks skaet
[15:58] <Daviey> thanks skaet
[15:58] <skaet> Thanks for that commentary Daviey - :P
[15:58] <skaet> lol
[15:58] <Riddell> thanks for your hard work too skaet
[15:58] <mdeslaur> thanks skaet!
[15:58] <ogra_> thanks skaet
[15:59] <skaet> Thanks seb128, slangasek, smartboyhw, ogra_, plars, rickspencer3, pmcgowan, Laney, popey, Daviey, Riddell, highvoltage, mdeslaur
[15:59] <seb128> skaet, thanks
[15:59] <Laney> \o
[15:59] <skaet> have a good weekend all.
[15:59] <seb128> skaet, oh, a quick thing
[15:59] <Laney> o/
[16:00] <seb128> firefox 16 release is planned on tuesday
[16:00] <seb128> I don't know if that's something you want to try to get on quantal iso ?
[16:00] <skaet> yup seb128,   jdstrand is going to make the call on the mozilla drop for us on Tuesday
[16:00] <seb128> Chris said to talk to jdstrand about that
[16:00] <seb128> ok
[16:00] <seb128> I just wanted to point it
[16:00] <seb128> thanks
[16:01] <skaet> Thanks for pointing it out.  :)
[16:01]  * skaet linking Laney was waving bye-bye
[16:01] <Laney> yeah I realised we use that for raising hand :(
[16:01] <skaet> :)  no worries,  figured it out.
[16:04] <smartboyhw> Thanks skaet again:)