=== meetingology` is now known as meetingology === cyphermox_ is now known as cyphermox === mhall119_ is now known as mhall119 === lifeless_ is now known as lifeless === sabdfl is now known as sabdfls-got-root === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|lunch === mmrazik|lunch is now known as mmrazik === doko_ is now known as doko === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|otp === mmrazik|otp is now known as mmrazik [14:55] * skaet waves hello, and goes to line up her starting remarks ;) [14:55] * smartboyhw waves [14:55] :) [14:56] hello [14:56] skaet: are they, are you sitting comfortably then I'll begin......? [14:56] ow two weeks before release [14:57] davmor2, I'll start the meeting at the top of the hour. [14:57] hiya mdeslaur [14:58] Uh oh skaet did balloons sent his release team mail? [14:58] smartboyhw, afraid not. [14:58] or at least I didn't see anything when I did a final check 10 minutes ago [14:58] skaet, I told him to do so for a part in the marathon clearly he didn't listen to the advice oh man [14:59] Hmm.... [15:00] yo [15:00] smartboyhw, if you know of any issues that he may have been concerned about, feel free to bring up during the meeting. [15:00] #startmeeting [15:00] Meeting started Fri Oct 5 15:00:14 2012 UTC. The chair is skaet. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [15:00] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [15:00] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseTeam/Meeting/2012-10-05. [15:00] Upcoming dates: [15:00] 12.10 [15:00] 2012/10/04: Kernel Freeze and Desktop Infrastructure Freeze at 2100 UTC [15:00] 2012/10/09: Translation Deadline at 1030 UTC and Final Freeze at 2100 UTC [15:00] 2012/10/11 - Release Candidate, and Release Note Content Freeze [15:00] 2012/10/16 - Unseeded Universe Final Freeze [15:00] October 18 - 12.10 Release [15:00] . [15:00] Bugs: [15:00] Development teams are trying to fix: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-tracking-bug-tasks.html [15:00] To be considered for fixing: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-incoming-bug-tasks.html [15:00] . [15:00] Work Items: [15:00] 2012/10/05 - 2997 (was 2997 - 2012/09/28): Thank you for the recent push to clean up the feature status. :) [15:00] We are still behind the trendline for some of the projects. Please help get us back where we should be by making sure https://launchpad.net/~/+upcomingwork is up to date for your tasks. If something is clearly not going to make it this cycle, please mark it POSTPONED. [15:00] . [15:00] Thanks to those who sent in status emails, if there are recent additions, could you please paste the link here in the channel, since there weren’t that many when I checked earlier this morning... [15:00] . [15:00] Weekly Status Received: [15:00] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/001997.html - QA - plars [15:01] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/001999.html - desktop - didrocks [15:01] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/001996.html - security - mdeslaur [15:01] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002010.html - HWCert - roadmr https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/001998.html - kernel - ogasawara [15:01] - ubuntu one [15:01] - community - balloons [15:01] - server - arosales [15:01] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002000.html - linaro - fabo [15:01] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002002.html - Unity - popey [15:01] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002008.html - foundations - ogra_ [15:01] https://lists.ubuntu [15:01] hmm... seem to have run into a buffer limit, :P, here's the rest [15:01] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002001.html - kubuntu - RIddell [15:01] - edubuntu - stgraber [15:01] - xubuntu - knome [15:01] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002009.html- Ubuntu Studio - smartboyhw [15:01] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2012-October/002003.html - Lubuntu - gilir [15:01] #topic Comments and Questions === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Comments and Questions [15:02] skaet: stgraber and myself are at a hackfest so apologies for missing the Edubuntu notes [15:02] skaet: afaict there wasn't something specifically noteworthy to report this week [15:02] thanks highvoltage, if there are issues, bring it up today. But glad things seem to be smooth. [15:03] usual conventions apply, please raise hand 'o/', if you have question. [15:03] ok will do [15:03] welcome everyone [15:03] hi [15:03] we're entering the final push of bug fixes before we go into final freeze next Tuesday. [15:04] skaet, (desktop -> I'm back from holidays so didrocks->-seb128) [15:04] Thanks seb, sorry about that on the summary. [15:04] (np ;-) [15:04] any other corrections or additons to the list of status? [15:04] Daviey, are you covering for arosales this week? [15:05] hmm... while we wait to hear from Daviey (and find out if there are any concerns on the server side) [15:06] want to know if anyone else has concerns not in the weekly status already they want to bring up? [15:06] key bug fixes needed, etc.? [15:06] skaet: yes [15:06] Thanks Daviey, what's on the radar to land between now and Final Freeze? anything critical? [15:07] I've had a mysterious report of installs not finishing which I can't recreate - bug 1062180 [15:07] Launchpad bug 1062180 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Quantal) "Ubiquity won't finish installation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1062180 [15:07] skaet: I would be expecting at least one more maas upload (on cd), and various openstack uploads (archive only) [15:08] There are a few bugs being caught at the moment, which are a little nasty [15:08] ok. we have mozilla decision (and possible upload) on Tuesday next week. Can you avoid it? [15:09] ie. can we get the maas issues mostly landed by EOD monday? [15:11] Daviey, ^? [15:12] skaet: unlikely [15:12] skaet: I wouldn't be surprised if there are a couple of smallish things still trickling in towards the end of the week [15:13] Daviey, we're spinning release candidates up on Thursday, so SRU time after tuesday (Final Freeze), unless they are release critical. [15:13] right! [15:13] .. [15:13] (thanks) [15:14] is freeipmi in a position to be MIRed? [15:14] plars, have you seen any sign of bug Riddell mentions? [15:14] Daviey: ^ [15:14] * plars looks [15:14] doesn't sound familiar [15:14] Riddell, anyone else able to confirm it? [15:15] I just finished up an amd64 installation a few minutes ago, and I know psivaa has done some this morning also, but we'll keep an eye out for it [15:15] (and yeah if there is something weird going on, and its common, nows the time to know ;) ) [15:15] skaet: xnox had no initial ideas [15:15] thanks plars. :) [15:15] plars, Riddell skaet sounds like bug 1059619 [15:15] Launchpad bug 1059619 in grub-installer (Ubuntu Quantal) "Installation hangs on: grub-mount /dev/sdb1 /var/lib/os-prober/mount" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1059619 [15:16] jibel: mm could be, I'll pass that to the reporter [15:17] thanks jibel, Riddell [15:17] .. [15:17] jibel: you have a reliable way to reproduce? [15:17] plars, yes my 2 laptops [15:18] Laney: it was in progress, checking state.. Needed one more fix. [15:20] (I'm sure it will be fixed today) [15:20] .. [15:21] ok, just wondering as that component mismatch has been around for quite some time .. [15:21] .. but not forgot. [15:22] ogra_, plars - how are the arm desktop and server test results looking? [15:22] pretty good i think [15:23] I'm looking at desktop right now [15:23] about to take a look at server [15:23] * ogra_ doesnt expect any regressions [15:24] it will be as speedy and blingy as it was in beta on desktop :) [15:24] I was just discussing an audio issue, and a keyboard issue with ogra_ but nothing affecting installation on desktop at the moment [15:24] for server, I had an issue with the keyboard not working at all, and I know that some people have reported that their hdmi monitor doesn't work on install with -server [15:24] mine works though [15:24] plars, thanks. Can you send an update to your weekly status that summarizes the results of the testing on arm after you finish looking? Want to make sure we all have a clean picture of what should be good, and what needs to be release noted. [15:24] skaet: yep [15:24] thanks plars! :) [15:24] plars, yeah, as paolo just said, kbd should be fixed ... wrt HDMI i would blame the monitors [15:24] * Daviey doesn't write regressive code. [15:25] * ogra_ knows there are still a few that dont work with the driver due to broken EDIDs [15:25] .. [15:25] .. [15:26] seb128, are we likely to get a fix for fontconfig in next day or so, so we can put ubuntu medium font back in? [15:27] skaet, not that I know about, we don't have anyone in desktop who knows about fonts/fontconfig [15:27] not sure if foundation,slangasek is looking at that [15:27] there's a fontconfig fix needed? [15:27] longstanding ... [15:27] Laney, the libreoffice issue seems to be a fontconfig issue [15:27] * skaet nods [15:28] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?format=multiple&id=38737 [15:28] I thought somebody worked around that in the font itself [15:28] seb128: we don't have anyone in foundations who knows about fontconfig either [15:29] (slangasek, sorry, I keep thinking (wrongly) that you maintain fontconfig as well as freetype in Debian which is why I listed your name ;-) [15:29] :) [15:29] Laney, who is working on the font? [15:29] popey, is thre anyone in your organization that can help here? [15:29] Laney, well, Sweetshark wrote: [15:29] " [15:29] this seems not to be an issue in LibreOffice, but in fontconfig. If I read that [15:29] bug right, it would need to be fixed either in fontconfig or workarounded in [15:29] the Ubuntu font itself, but not in LibreOffice." " [15:30] skaet, we had one guy looking at it, but unfortunately had vacation before he could get to the bottom of it [15:30] Laney, skaet: I've no clue who is in charge of the font or could "workaround in the font itself" there [15:30] seems to me that this should be reverted in the font then [15:30] then it was passed to Sweetshark to investigate [15:30] it seems very unlikely we're going to fix it on the software side before release [15:30] we have nobody internally who can work directly on the font - we have to contact DM [15:30] popey, yeah, Sweetshark concluded that there is nothing libreoffice could do there [15:30] yeah [15:30] and he has been fighting lo-appmenu stuff the whole week [15:31] popey: is there a compelling reason NOT to revert the medium change? [15:31] yes, he's busy, we were lucky to get a slice of him [15:31] slangasek: it already has been [15:31] oh, then what's still outstanding for the release? [15:31] putting it back [15:31] I thought this was only about the medium-weight font [15:31] we would like it in, that's all [15:31] trying to get all the bugs fixed. [15:31] slangasek, I think the sabdfl was pushing on the bug for us to resolve the issues and restore the font [15:31] ah [15:31] that's right [15:32] I'm not sure how unhappy he and others are going to be if that's not the case... [15:32] .. [15:33] popey, will you take it up with your management and see if we can come up with other options for getting this sorted? [15:33] yup [15:33] Thanks popey [15:33] one second [15:33] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1054204 [15:33] Launchpad bug 1054204 in ubuntu-font-family-sources (Ubuntu Quantal) "Libreoffice chooses incorrect font weight" [Undecided,Confirmed] [15:33] That's the bug with the workaround [15:34] but I understand that we don't have the preferred form for modification for the font, so the change had to be done some other way [15:36] ..! [15:36] Laney, that looks to me like the workaround could be applied, and we'd get by this impass. Am I missing something?> [15:37] we should probably defer to next cycle at this point [15:37] skaet: I think he did some binary hacking to do it [15:37] it's not really very satisfactory [15:37] hey rickspencer3 [15:37] hey seb128 [15:37] seb128: yeah, if that's an option then we should indeed [15:37] I was asking rickspencer3 how problematic that is if we don't get the font in quantal [15:37] we fixed the Qt side at least [15:38] hi [15:38] ahoy [15:38] rickspencer3, opinion? [15:38] right, progress, it doesn't seem likely the libreoffice issue will be sorted out soon though... [15:38] I think it would be a shame not to include it after all that was invested in it, but it doesn't sound ready [15:38] perhaps mirv could enlighten us about his fix [15:38] it does seem a bit sad that we're not really able to modify the font [15:39] skaet, does that help? [15:40] rickspencer3, yes it doesn't sound ready. Any thoughts on ways we can get it ready in next few days? [15:40] skaet, not really, it just sounds too late to get it integrated [15:40] if it's not working with Libre Office when we drop it in, it just seems like we need to move on to release without it [15:41] rickspencer3, ok. putting it on the shelf then for R, rather than introducing bugs into quantal. [15:41] .. [15:41] if we start going around fixing this, fixing that, I fear we will get a cascade of knock on regressions [15:41] * skaet nods [15:41] this would distract us from perhaps fixing critical bugs [15:41] sorry [15:41] I just think we need to move on [15:41] ..? [15:42] (sorry to the people who worked hard on it and are passionate about it, I mean) [15:42] sorry, asked pmcgowan to join us [15:43] pmcgowan, feeling is introducing this back in means we divert focus from other critical bugs right now.. and we don't have a fix for this, and no obvious way to get one [15:43] Did i missunderstand that it sounds like we have a solution, but involves uploading binary modification.. Is this not a reasonable stop-gap? [15:44] is that a solution or a workaround? [15:45] how confident are we that there are not going to be other issues? [15:45] to me it just seems reality late and we might need to focus the resources on blocker issues next week [15:45] .. [15:46] sorry to arrive late [15:46] best result would be to fomrulate a real fix for LO or fontconfig once and for all [15:47] do you feel the current symptom is critical enough to not ship with? [15:47] we "just" don't have the medium weight [15:47] I think it's fine to defer [15:48] would we add the font back in SRU with a fix to LO? [15:48] it's not LO that needs to be fixed, but fontconfig [15:48] fine [15:49] I'm not sure that is something the SRU team would accept though [15:49] slangasek can maybe comment [15:49] pmcgowan, do you think it's important? SRU worth? [15:50] there are elements of the UI which never were able to match design because of this, and seems to me an issue that could be resolevd safely by SRU [15:51] it's nice that our quality situation is such that we can consider changes like this at this late game, but realistically, there are still other moving parts [15:51] Laney: I think it would have to be a sadfl in to do it as an SRU [15:51] you all know the history, its been 2 years and no fix to fontconfig [15:51] I think introducing this is too much churn [15:51] because that's not sanely regression-testable [15:52] let's ensure that we fix this properly in 13.10, get it banked early in 13.10, and move on [15:52] 13.04? :-) [15:52] dang it [15:52] lol [15:52] :) [15:52] yeah [15:52] fine. Speaking of moving on: [15:52] .. [15:52] oh well [15:53] Thanks all, I think we have our plan for 12.10 and this issue, unless sabdfl wants to weigh in. [15:53] .. [15:54] anyone else have other critical bug issues to bring up to discuss before I end the meeting? [15:55] just want to say thank you to everyone involved for all the hard work and passion on getting 12.04 ready. [15:55] skaet, did you say anything wrong? 12.10 right? [15:55] and 12.10 too [15:55] that was 6 months ago :) [15:55] :) [15:56] :P [15:56] lol, my turn now. [15:56] someone forgot to update skeatbot [15:56] yes. 12.10 [15:56] There will be a meeting next week, and then there will be a break until they start up for 13.04. [15:57] date for that is TBD. [15:57] Yay [15:57] Lets make 12.10 go out nice and with as much quality as we can squeeze in, over the next few days!! bug fixes still welcome. ;) [15:58] #endmeeting [15:58] skaet announced 12.10 is canceled, and rickspencer3 announcing 13.04 is delayed until 13.10.. OMG! Ubuntu will have fun. === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Ubuntu Meeting Grounds | Calendar/Scheduled meetings: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/calendar | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs | Meetingology documentation: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [15:58] Meeting ended Fri Oct 5 15:58:02 2012 UTC. [15:58] Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-10-05-15.00.moin.txt [15:58] Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-10-05-15.00.html [15:58] Thanks skaet [15:58] thanks skaet [15:58] Thanks for that commentary Daviey - :P [15:58] lol [15:58] thanks for your hard work too skaet [15:58] thanks skaet! [15:58] thanks skaet [15:59] Thanks seb128, slangasek, smartboyhw, ogra_, plars, rickspencer3, pmcgowan, Laney, popey, Daviey, Riddell, highvoltage, mdeslaur [15:59] skaet, thanks [15:59] \o [15:59] have a good weekend all. [15:59] skaet, oh, a quick thing [15:59] o/ [16:00] firefox 16 release is planned on tuesday [16:00] I don't know if that's something you want to try to get on quantal iso ? [16:00] yup seb128, jdstrand is going to make the call on the mozilla drop for us on Tuesday [16:00] Chris said to talk to jdstrand about that [16:00] ok [16:00] I just wanted to point it [16:00] thanks [16:01] Thanks for pointing it out. :) [16:01] * skaet linking Laney was waving bye-bye [16:01] yeah I realised we use that for raising hand :( [16:01] :) no worries, figured it out. [16:04] Thanks skaet again:) === tyhicks` is now known as tyhicks === yofel_ is now known as yofel