| TheDrums | Anything other than the fact of added time, is there a reason squashfs isn't being used with the -comp xz option? I just tried it and it helped quite a bit on space. | 00:40 |
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| nandof | evening to all, I'm ready to start with some testing. How I can help? | 00:43 |
| silverarrow | hi | 00:49 |
| silverarrow | what have you installed? | 00:49 |
| silverarrow | or burned really | 00:50 |
| nandof | hi silverarrow, I have installed, right now, xubuntu 12.04 and lubuntu 12.10 in virtualbox | 00:51 |
| silverarrow | I see | 00:51 |
| silverarrow | are you trying to do release upgrade on xubuntu+ | 00:51 |
| silverarrow | in terminal I mean | 00:52 |
| silverarrow | could you launch alsamixer -a basic? | 00:52 |
| silverarrow | in 12.10 | 00:52 |
| nandof | nop silverarrow, but I can try if you needed ;) | 00:53 |
| nandof | give me 1 second | 00:53 |
| silverarrow | I have great trouble with it in lubuntu ppc | 00:55 |
| silverarrow | it does not appear | 00:56 |
| silverarrow | and i have no sound | 00:56 |
| silverarrow | i have to reboot brb | 00:57 |
| nandof | silverarrow Im updating lubuntu :/ gimme more time XD | 01:04 |
| phillw | wxl: / silverarrow... We are still here. Our VM's simply cannot help. | 01:08 |
| phillw | #t | 01:08 |
| silverarrow | back | 01:14 |
| silverarrow | nandorf, did you get around to do it? | 01:14 |
| nandof | yes silverarrow, sorry, gimme more time. I'm updating lubuntu | 01:15 |
| silverarrow | yeah, it takes time | 01:15 |
| nandof | this is my first testing event, so.... I'm newbie and I hope to be helpful | 01:17 |
| silverarrow | there are some clever guys here | 01:19 |
| silverarrow | I`m mostly here because I have an iBook G4 | 01:20 |
| nandof | :o | 01:20 |
| silverarrow | and I was stubbornly sticking to lubuntu, and not wanting to go back to tiger or leopard on this thing | 01:20 |
| silverarrow | powerpc testers were needed | 01:21 |
| silverarrow | it is rather difficult when you have to look for solutions | 01:21 |
| silverarrow | some people seem to be dead tired of the whole testing thing | 01:22 |
| silverarrow | on the ubuntu forum I mean | 01:22 |
| silverarrow | here people are eager to make things work | 01:22 |
| silverarrow | we miss people with ppc experience I think | 01:23 |
| silverarrow | luckily there are very good people on the job | 01:23 |
| nandof | yeah, I think so | 01:23 |
| nandof | the upgrading is almost done | 01:25 |
| silverarrow | everything that goes wrong in ppc easily gets blamed on the ppc part, but I have a strong feeling it often is more general issues popping up on different hardware | 01:25 |
| nandof | you mean about the firmware? | 01:26 |
| silverarrow | is there a difference? | 01:27 |
| silverarrow | yes | 01:27 |
| silverarrow | one more reboot | 01:28 |
| silverarrow | sorry | 01:28 |
| nandof | no problem :) | 01:28 |
| silverarrow | back again | 01:36 |
| silverarrow | updates all the time on the beta | 01:36 |
| silverarrow | nandof: did you have a restart? | 01:45 |
| nandof | nop, my lubuntu is in a VM's | 01:45 |
| nandof | installing updates... ... ... | 01:45 |
| silverarrow | oh of course | 01:46 |
| nandof | it takes too long to upgrade. /Me now desperate | 01:47 |
| silverarrow | it`s all right | 01:54 |
| silverarrow | first update? | 01:54 |
| silverarrow | it can take ages, or slow network? | 01:54 |
| nandof | slow network :( silverarrow | 01:54 |
| silverarrow | mine is all right now, but can vary a lot | 01:55 |
| Noskcaj | and ouur PPC testing problem are solved http://sourceforge.net/projects/mac-on-linux/ | 02:15 |
| silverarrow | what does that mean? | 02:16 |
| Noskcaj | useing that or pearPC we dont need to get old macs or do heaps of commoand line stuff in qemu | 02:17 |
| silverarrow | not sure how that would work | 02:18 |
| silverarrow | running osx in virtual mode? | 02:18 |
| Noskcaj | running PPC | 02:20 |
| silverarrow | it`s been around since 2007, and hardly any progress ? | 02:20 |
| silverarrow | well, anything that helps | 02:20 |
| Noskcaj | also how do you install an application from tar.bz2 | 02:20 |
| silverarrow | oh, that again | 02:21 |
| silverarrow | no idea | 02:21 |
| silverarrow | archivemanager and package manager is the usual | 02:22 |
| silverarrow | is anyone booted in lubuntu? | 02:23 |
| silverarrow | or ubuntu | 02:23 |
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| Noskcaj | why is there no lvm + encription xubuntu testcase? | 03:18 |
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| sagaci | balloons: the latest entire disk testcase page is unresponsive for me http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/24874/testcases/1300/results | 04:05 |
| balloons | sagaci, as in the tracker is unresponsive? | 04:05 |
| sagaci | yeah, I guess os | 04:05 |
| balloons | :-( | 04:08 |
| balloons | give it a moment and try again | 04:08 |
| sagaci | yep, back up | 04:21 |
| balloons | sagaci, excellent | 04:59 |
| balloons | sometimes it gets a bit funy | 04:59 |
| balloons | maybe during a maintenance period? | 04:59 |
| balloons | not sure | 04:59 |
| elfy | balloons: so as you are awake - you look at yesterday's arm daily - main question I have - did it actually boot ? | 07:59 |
| elfy | :) | 07:59 |
| balloons | :) | 08:00 |
| balloons | elfy, I'm not sure I remember! | 08:00 |
| balloons | but yes, unity 6.8 is landed | 08:00 |
| balloons | and when i awake I'll test it and arm again | 08:00 |
| balloons | regressions are the key to look for | 08:00 |
| elfy | LOL | 08:00 |
| balloons | I have to sleep first | 08:01 |
| balloons | then aawake | 08:01 |
| elfy | ok - I'll wait for the daily to change and update it - been a bit away with the fairies the last week or so I'm afraid | 08:01 |
| elfy | yea - you'll sleep the sleep of the righteous :D | 08:01 |
| elfy | might be here - but I appear to have a major regression - it used to boot ok - now it doesn't lol | 08:03 |
| balloons | ouch | 08:43 |
| balloons | so no workie? | 08:43 |
| elfy | nope | 08:52 |
| elfy | not seen anyone say the same - so I'm assuming it's something here :) | 08:52 |
| balloons | elfy, can you mail the list and see? | 08:58 |
| balloons | let others know -- I'm not even seeing straight now I don't think | 08:58 |
| balloons | heh | 08:58 |
| balloons | :-) | 08:58 |
| balloons | but ask them to look at a build between now and monday | 08:58 |
| balloons | and we'll sort it out | 08:58 |
| elfy | well - there'll be a new daily shortly - I'll carry on fiddling about and if still nothing later I'll mail the list | 08:58 |
| balloons | waiting a day isn't bad, upgraded is also goo | 08:59 |
| balloons | *good | 08:59 |
| * balloons wnts to make sure it has unity 6.8 | 08:59 | |
| elfy | and yea know how you feel I did 17/18 hour days for 3 months ... | 08:59 |
| elfy | got it :) | 09:05 |
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| phillw | elfy is there an KVM for ARM? | 10:15 |
| elfy | no idea phillw | 10:16 |
| phillw | elfy: hmm, it's still a WIP | 10:18 |
| elfy | phillw: do you find the tracker to be reaaaly slow? | 11:02 |
| phillw | elfy: at this time of day, it is most likely faster than me :) Do you have a link and I can test from 'piglet' and 'the beast' | 11:04 |
| elfy | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/24969/testcases/1303/results | 11:04 |
| phillw | that's slow! | 11:05 |
| elfy | thought so | 11:05 |
| knome | hmm | 11:06 |
| knome | worked fine for me | 11:06 |
| elfy | using mtr I'm getting 74% packet loss from eth0.lutin.canonical.com | 11:06 |
| phillw | elfy: but, with the number of bugs it is looking up, I'm amazed it didn't just go .... I can't be bothered... this is totally broken :) | 11:07 |
| elfy | phillw: :) I'd agree - cept I've had trouble with it all morning | 11:07 |
| phillw | let me try a case with fewer bugs :) | 11:08 |
| elfy | when I typed the using mtr - I at the same time passed a testcase - it's still waiting for it | 11:08 |
| elfy | arm is installing faster ... | 11:08 |
| elfy | :D | 11:08 |
| phillw | elfy: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/24898/testcases/1439/results launches immediatly | 11:09 |
| phillw | It is the fact the tracker is waiting on getting the bugs from LP that I think is slowing down http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/24969/testcases/1303/results | 11:11 |
| phillw | That's a lot of bugs! | 11:11 |
| elfy | mmm - that's a pita | 11:22 |
| elfy | shame the tracker can't tell the difference between flavours | 11:23 |
| knome | elfy, file a bug :) | 11:28 |
| knome | elfy, otoh, i think it shouldn't in most cases.. | 11:28 |
| phillw | elfy: they have only recently (this cycle) the ability to carry bugs over.... I the past, all bug reports were wiped each day. The new system may be a PITA, but it is one heck better than what we had in the past. | 11:29 |
| knome | well, there's also that for the installation tests, we are using shared tests | 11:30 |
| phillw | there has been a lot of work done on QA/Testing area... <joda> perfect it is not, complaints you will make, fixes we will make </end Joda> | 11:31 |
| elfy | knome: if I filed a bug it'd get added to the longlist and make it worse :D | 11:32 |
| knome | elfy, no, file a bug against the tracker :P | 11:33 |
| phillw | elfy: that does encourage people to fix them? ... :P | 11:33 |
| elfy | it's definitely only been like this recently ish | 11:33 |
| elfy | knome: I knew what you meant :) just had piskie's head on for a moment | 11:33 |
| knome | ;) | 11:33 |
| elfy | managed to get quite a few done today - 2 arm's 2 xubuntu so far | 11:35 |
| phillw | elfy: have you had a play with http://systems.cs.columbia.edu/projects/kvm-arm/ ? | 11:37 |
| elfy | nope - I know without looking - only really started looking at arm in the last few weeks properly | 11:37 |
| phillw | I think it is the atypical give us some encouragement - the edu's in US of A do turn out decent stuff. There is no harm in engaging them :) | 11:39 |
| phillw | kanliot So, the search teams found you! please /j ##phillw | 11:40 |
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| phillw | wxl: Can you please make bug 1043518 coherent? | 13:15 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1043518 in linux (Ubuntu Quantal) "live cd is unusable due to video degradation with the splash boot option enabled" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1043518 | 13:15 |
| phillw | wxl: do you have a fix? | 13:16 |
| roadmr | micahg: hello! about the checkbox 0.14.8 candidate, I can certainly request FFe for the bug you mentioned, just wanted to ask if the bug itself (driver version when using prop drivers fails) is not enough | 13:23 |
| roadmr | micahg: also, for changes, is it OK if I just add a commit to the branch to fix them and resubmit, or should I prepare a "clean" branch and send new merge request? | 13:23 |
| micahg | roadmr: you can add to the current merge proposal | 13:28 |
| micahg | roadmr: you could add a distro task to the current bug and request the FFe there if you like, or create a new one and point to the old one | 13:28 |
| roadmr | micahg: a distro task sounds cleaner to me, I think I'll do that | 13:29 |
| roadmr | micahg: thanks so much :) | 13:29 |
| micahg | roadmr: sure, just keep in mind final freeze is Tuesday at 21:00 UTC | 13:29 |
| roadmr | micahg: oops :) well I'll ask around, maybe we can just remove that feature if it's not critical | 13:31 |
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| silverarrow | the alsamixer problems I am having seems to be an old one | 14:08 |
| silverarrow | are there any news on the alsamixer trouble ? | 16:06 |
| silverarrow | it seems to be affecting regulari386 too | 16:06 |
| phillw | silverarrow: bug number, please :) | 16:09 |
| kanliot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-utils/+bug/1060452 | 16:13 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1060452 in alsa-utils (Ubuntu) "alsamixer fails to load on quantal ppc" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 16:13 |
| kanliot | working on my 12.10 amd64 | 16:14 |
| komputes | psivaa: hey, are you having an issue booting into the Desktop CD? | 16:56 |
| psivaa | komputes, yea that's not consistent though at times the reboot did not detect the usb as the install media | 16:58 |
| komputes | psivaa: I had the same thing, I think. It booted until syslinux then a black screen, after a hard reboot it did not see the usb media (I have to un/re-plug it again) | 17:00 |
| psivaa | komputes, hmm i did not see the black screen though, it just booted without detecting the usb | 17:03 |
| psivaa | komputes, it is not everytime though | 17:03 |
| komputes | psivaa: is this on bare metal or vm? | 17:08 |
| psivaa | komputes, baremetals two of them amd64 and amd64+mac | 17:08 |
| komputes | psivaa: whats the hardware? | 17:09 |
| wxl | phew all night cleaning spree last night | 17:10 |
| wxl | phillw: you mentioned bug 1043518? | 17:10 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1043518 in linux (Ubuntu Quantal) "live cd is unusable due to video degradation with the splash boot option enabled" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1043518 | 17:10 |
| wxl | are you looking for the executive summary? | 17:10 |
| psivaa | komputes, one of them is a mac mini and the other is dell inspiron | 17:11 |
| phillw | wxl: some of this stuff has been passed upstream by Colin. You should have the emails? | 17:12 |
| komputes | psivaa: I have both and can test it to see if I can confirm this. If you have exact models it would also help. | 17:13 |
| wxl | phillw: executive summary— the bug was reported on an amd64 system and it seems all the other confirmations were on similar systems. only two folks i know with the problem are johnathan and i and we have the same card. the fix worked for the other folks. for us, i made a new bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/+bug/1061790 more work needs to be done here but it's mostly good. | 17:13 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1061790 in xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (Ubuntu) "misbehaving X on quantal ppc w/ nvidia geforce fx go5200" [Undecided,New] | 17:13 |
| wxl | phillw: that good enough? | 17:13 |
| wxl | phillw: also re: emails i'm working on that :) | 17:14 |
| psivaa | komputes, the dell is N4010 i could give you the lsmod if you'd like | 17:15 |
| phillw | a request has been made by colin upstream about this unholly mess. | 17:17 |
| wxl | phillw: largely it's a non issue but adam is right: we need a pointer to ppcfaq in yaboot. and it ineeds to be more obvious (put stars around it or something) | 17:18 |
| wxl | or a big "read me" in ascii art :) | 17:18 |
| * wxl usually sets up his yaboot and/or motd with ascii art XD | 17:19 | |
| phillw | wxl: keep adam in the loop, he is still the guy who has best contact with colin. A grumpy old timer he may be, but no one can call in to doubt his dedication :) | 17:19 |
| wxl | phillw: i'll tell you one thing. now that i know who adam is (rsavage on forums) i know why you were so disappointed by his loss. he is a major help with a lot of knwoledge. a lot. and you're right, he responds well to people that need a little direction to help themselves. | 17:20 |
| phillw | wxl: Colin REALLY does not want to use boot parameters. | 17:20 |
| wxl | he's also snarky as all get out, but i'm cool with that, becuase, whether you get it or not: http://is.gd/gJ5bRQ | 17:21 |
| kanliot | something mucked with audio on my 12.10 | 17:21 |
| psivaa | komputes, mac mini is probably 2.3 ( not sure how to find out though) | 17:21 |
| wxl | phillw: oh, and boot parameters are not necessary. as long as colin is cool with xorg.conf. | 17:21 |
| wxl | kanliot: no?! what? on what system? | 17:21 |
| phillw | wxl: He has kept ppc alive. I need say no more. you now realise that. | 17:22 |
| wxl | kanliot: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-utils/+bug/1060452 | 17:22 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1060452 in alsa-utils (Ubuntu) "alsamixer fails to load on quantal ppc" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 17:22 |
| kanliot | lol wxl | 17:22 |
| kanliot | just something installed pulseaudio | 17:22 |
| wxl | oh | 17:22 |
| kanliot | no idea what, haven't installed anything for a week | 17:22 |
| wxl | well who cares then that's your own darn fault :) | 17:22 |
| kanliot | is it? | 17:23 |
| wxl | kanliot: just being silly, but it does point to the notion about being carefully what your software installs along with it. | 17:23 |
| kanliot | what if it just happened after i updated? | 17:23 |
| wxl | that's strange | 17:24 |
| wxl | possible | 17:24 |
| phillw | kanliot: shouldn't you be off doing better thing?... like editing the getlubuntu area? :D | 17:24 |
| kanliot | i did that already | 17:24 |
| kanliot | besides i'm testing | 17:24 |
| wxl | look in /var/log/dpkg.log | 17:24 |
| kanliot | ah | 17:24 |
| kanliot | see that's smart | 17:24 |
| wxl | e.g. grep pulseaudio /var/log/dpkg.log | 17:24 |
| * wxl beams? | 17:24 | |
| phillw | wxl: if he has done his tasks, he's all yours! I'm off to install an instance for TOR | 17:25 |
| kanliot | yeah it was installed today, just like i though | 17:25 |
| kanliot | t | 17:25 |
| wxl | ok so now i need to remember how to look up dependencies and what not | 17:26 |
| kanliot | lol me 2 | 17:26 |
| phillw | https://www.torproject.org/index.html.en Now, who suggested me to that project..... | 17:26 |
| wxl | i'm gonna ask elsewhere | 17:26 |
| wxl | i know bioterror or holstein or Unit193 knows this | 17:26 |
| kanliot | well it was gstreamer0.10 | 17:27 |
| wxl | how do you know? | 17:28 |
| kanliot | /var/log/dpkg.log | 17:28 |
| wxl | i have four packages that begin with gstreamer0.10 | 17:30 |
| wxl | and no pulseaudio | 17:30 |
| wxl | do you mean gstreamer0.10-alsa? | 17:32 |
| kanliot | ok, maybe i don't know what i know | 17:32 |
| wxl | or you mean gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio? cuz you shouldn't have that | 17:32 |
| kanliot | i'm take a break | 17:33 |
| kanliot | thanks for the help sincerely | 17:33 |
| wxl | we'll figure it out | 17:34 |
| kanliot | can you check out gpicview on 12.10? | 17:34 |
| wxl | messed up display with medium-large images? | 17:35 |
| wxl | kanliot: apt-cache rdepends pulseaudio will give reverse dependencies but it will give you all possible ones, rather than only the ones you have installed | 17:36 |
| wxl | you could write a script to iterate through dpkg --get-selections and grep the list for them, but i think that function is built into aptitude, too | 17:37 |
| wxl | me hates aptitude | 17:37 |
| wxl | ↑ oh, you get the point. | 17:37 |
| * wxl should build that script and spell out the official untimely end for aptitude ;) | 17:39 | |
| komputes | psivaa: sudo dmidecode -s system-product-name | 17:41 |
| komputes | psivaa: that should give you the model | 17:41 |
| komputes | psivaa: is this with the daily or the beta2 image? | 17:42 |
| kanliot | wxl i'm using reverse-depends | 17:49 |
| wxl | kanliot: not rdepends but apt-cache rdepends right? they're different | 17:52 |
| kanliot | reverse-depends is a python script you can install | 17:53 |
| wxl | not sure that's the same | 17:55 |
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| wxl | phillw: ping | 18:15 |
| phillw | wxl: pong | 18:16 |
| psivaa | komputes, its MacMini5,1 and with today's daily image (20121005) | 18:16 |
| komputes | psivaa: and whats the Inspiron Model? | 18:16 |
| wxl | phillw: do you know if adam ever lurks on irc? | 18:17 |
| psivaa | komputes, that it Inspiron N4010 | 18:17 |
| wxl | cuz now i REALLY need to pick his brain. this sound bug, at least on my end is getting REALLY interesting. i'm wondering if it's an OS bug at all. | 18:19 |
| phillw | wxl: he hates IRC with the same passion you do on forum areas.... A marrige forxed in fell : | 18:19 |
| phillw | )7 | 18:19 |
| wxl | if it weren't for arild's case, i'd discount it entirely and say my sound is screwed. | 18:19 |
| wxl | hahahahhah i figured as such. oh well. ;) | 18:19 |
| phillw | *hell* | 18:19 |
| wxl | why linux rules: was going to convert my openoffice co-worker to libre office. only available downloads are torrents. wha?! apt, where are you when i need you? | 18:20 |
| wxl | (this is on windows btw) | 18:20 |
| phillw | wxl: becuase of his disabillity, he really prefers not to use IRC, he's not the only 'old-timer' who prefers forum / email. | 18:22 |
| wxl | phillw: didn't realize he had a disability | 18:22 |
| phillw | wxl: both of them are old timers. | 18:22 |
| wxl | otherly abled people often don't appear to have them ;) | 18:22 |
| phillw | if t=you | 18:23 |
| wxl | t? | 18:23 |
| wxl | undeclared variable | 18:23 |
| phillw | wxl: if you want a dedicated download for libre, I can grab it onto http://phillw.net/isos/ will take but a few minutes once you give me the link :) | 18:25 |
| wxl | don't worry about it, i just think it's stupid | 18:26 |
| wxl | biggest problems with os x/windows are lack of package management | 18:27 |
| phillw | wxl: you also may hate TOR, but they're getting an area on my server | 18:27 |
| wxl | app store is kind of getting there but still | 18:27 |
| wxl | tor, i.e. onion? | 18:27 |
| phillw | wxl: oniion | 18:28 |
| wxl | oh i don't hate tor. it's not 100% fun but i don't hate it. what you running on that server btw? | 18:28 |
| wxl | debian? | 18:28 |
| phillw | onion is ZNC, the new VM is for TOR | 18:30 |
| phillw | Tor have asked for a ubuntu-server install. | 18:31 |
| wxl | ah cool | 18:31 |
| wxl | the server i connect to runs debian which is fine (esp. considering it's free and a friend/customer runs it so i can ask him to install packages and he is happy to oblige) but sure wish it was canonical something sometimes | 18:32 |
| phillw | we had a chat and I mentioned I had A 12.04 ISO kicking about, they said that would do nicely. | 18:32 |
| phillw | my server runs CentOS, but the VM's under KVM don't actually give a **** :) | 18:33 |
| phillw | **** == the slightest problem... | 18:34 |
| wxl | kvm don't work on my main machine | 18:35 |
| phillw | wxl: how come? | 18:35 |
| wxl | i put 12.10 on the crappy dell desktop i got for free (yes, i am very adept at getting free machines and i'm working hard at figuring out what i need to barter for this 15" powerbook with the radeon chip) | 18:35 |
| wxl | we'll see if it works | 18:35 |
| wxl | but the main machine (free laptop) has a cpu that doesn't appear to support kvm | 18:36 |
| phillw | ahh, yes, there is the cpu issue. | 18:36 |
| wxl | yep, insurmountable really, esp. on a laptop | 18:36 |
| phillw | thankfully, piglet passed | 18:36 |
| wxl | also: centos?! you a card-carrying redhatter? | 18:37 |
| phillw | so, does oracle vBox work for you? | 18:37 |
| wxl | yep. qemu, too. | 18:37 |
| phillw | well, f | 18:37 |
| phillw | don't worry too much about KVM. | 18:38 |
| wxl | well i really *WANT* to use it | 18:38 |
| wxl | i'm all for the native solution | 18:38 |
| wxl | e.g apt rules. everything else sucks. ;) | 18:38 |
| phillw | wxl: I'm also a card carrying 100% result for Red Hat Certified Admin person. To me, CentOS is a tool, I can happiliy run lubuntu in it. | 18:41 |
| phillw | wxl: my other hard drive is lubuntu & happily runs CentOS... they share the same /home partition.... is there really that big a differene?? I say not and just keep quiet :) | 18:44 |
| wxl | phillw: well if there's any one thing going for red hat it's the certifications and the fact that there about the only globally-recognized linux cert out there. | 18:50 |
| wxl | i mean within the linux community, there are others that would fly but for joe blow company that happens to use linux? nope. | 18:51 |
| wxl | honestly i haven't used rh or any variant thereof in years | 18:51 |
| phillw | I'm a firm believer that the penguin is agnostic .... Let's concentrate on bug 1 | 18:53 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority desktop market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 | 18:53 |
| phillw | bbs, just got to finish off the server for Tor | 18:54 |
| wxl | XD | 18:55 |
| phillw | hah, kill -9 on my own login doesn't help :) | 18:57 |
| wxl | :) | 19:01 |
| wxl | ouch colin declined it | 19:01 |
| phillw | he was never going to put a fudge in. it is for the upstream teams to sort the mess out.# | 19:05 |
| wxl | :) | 19:05 |
| wxl | i'm gonna confirm that later. i didnt' realize there were such good bugs | 19:05 |
| wxl | are you familiar with mixxx? open source dj software? qt interface? | 19:06 |
| wxl | whether or not you are, you get the general idea. waveforms, knobs, all sorts of gui crap going on, right? | 19:06 |
| wxl | with that in mind, grok this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mixxx/+bug/664369 | 19:06 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 664369 in Mixxx "ANSI text terminal interface" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 19:06 |
| phillw | that is why I SCREAMED at you guys to herd the bugs together.... Only then does PPC have a case for regression. | 19:07 |
| wxl | it's fun AND serious | 19:07 |
| phillw | wxl: welcome to the club :) | 19:07 |
| wxl | phillw: i am working feverishly on ppc and browbeating testers as much as possible to submit their findings in bug reports. it's a never ending battle even people who know better. *ahem* silverarrow *cough cough* | 19:08 |
| kanliot | its not screaming unless its all caps | 19:08 |
| phillw | wxl: that is why I needed a PPC person to take over. Between you and Adam, I am confident that it will happen | 19:10 |
| wxl | phillw: yep, we're both geeky enough. i just need more hardware to test on. | 19:10 |
| phillw | Colin has rightly said to 'upstream'.... get it bloody sorted. | 19:10 |
| wxl | must find a way to coerce my coworker out of this radeon 15" | 19:10 |
| wxl | she did say i could replace the hard drive temporarily but that's a lot of work | 19:11 |
| wxl | i MIGHT see if i can get a usb hard drive going but that could add other potential negative byproducts | 19:11 |
| phillw | wxl: I must pop off for a while to finalise the tor VM area for them. | 19:12 |
| wxl | i also have a g3 but that thing is messed up | 19:12 |
| wxl | ta | 19:12 |
| phillw | ping me if urgent | 19:12 |
| wxl | k | 19:12 |
| komputes | psivaa: I am getting a "Boot Error" when trying the amd64+mac daily on a mac mini | 19:53 |
| silverarrow | wxl? | 19:55 |
| wxl | silverarrow: yes, dear? | 19:55 |
| psivaa | komputes, that's strange, i was able to boot without any issues | 19:55 |
| silverarrow | I don`t understand the problem completely, really | 19:55 |
| wxl | you forgot the last word | 19:55 |
| wxl | "multimedia" | 19:55 |
| silverarrow | how does open firmware enter into it? | 19:55 |
| wxl | lshw, for powerpc, returns the open firmware device tree | 19:55 |
| wxl | in other words, it's supposed to tell you everything that the firmware sees | 19:56 |
| silverarrow | hmm, bad firmware? | 19:56 |
| wxl | that firmware, as i hope you know, is "upstream" of the operating system | 19:56 |
| wxl | in other words, if the firmware can't see it, the operating system can't | 19:56 |
| silverarrow | or was the some tricky function in 12.04 that made it bypass firmware? | 19:56 |
| wxl | on the other hand, perhaps the problem is lshw is limited | 19:56 |
| wxl | i certainly don't understand how sound works in open firmware but i know enough about how to hack around in it and i couldn't find any good info except that the bus for sound should be a pci component which goes back to my original notion that lspci should pick up on it if the firmware does | 19:57 |
| silverarrow | omg | 19:59 |
| silverarrow | I never say that | 19:59 |
| silverarrow | not sure where it came from | 19:59 |
| wxl | ? | 20:02 |
| wxl | oh SAW that | 20:02 |
| silverarrow | I have never even entered open firmware | 20:03 |
| wxl | don't advise | 20:03 |
| wxl | it uses forth which has a nasty syntax | 20:03 |
| wxl | for example, to find out the device tree you do: | 20:04 |
| wxl | dev / ls | 20:04 |
| silverarrow | I see, | 20:04 |
| wxl | which is transliterated like "devices of root list" | 20:04 |
| wxl | doesn't sound right | 20:04 |
| silverarrow | does icedtea work ? | 20:04 |
| * wxl shrugs | 20:04 | |
| wxl | not there yet | 20:04 |
| silverarrow | I installed extra and the browser plugin, but java test cursor keeps circling | 20:05 |
| silverarrow | it worked in 12.04 | 20:05 |
| silverarrow | I have to stop saying that | 20:05 |
| silverarrow | java and adobe flash gets a lot of hate these days | 20:06 |
| silverarrow | I need it though | 20:06 |
| wxl | you're forced by them to need it | 20:06 |
| wxl | i could do without them | 20:06 |
| wxl | they're annoying | 20:06 |
| wxl | that's like saying you need windows to play good games | 20:06 |
| silverarrow | well, I need my web-based bank | 20:06 |
| wxl | no, they need to use an open interface | 20:07 |
| silverarrow | it is the login code and bank ID which is java run | 20:07 |
| wxl | my bank doesn't use that garbage | 20:08 |
| wxl | unnecessary | 20:08 |
| silverarrow | it is the most widely used too, so we just have to live with it for years still | 20:08 |
| silverarrow | alsamixer and sound turned out more tricky than I thought | 20:09 |
| silverarrow | my bank works fine | 20:17 |
| silverarrow | fast and easy | 20:17 |
| silverarrow | including java | 20:17 |
| wxl | in the past i've had few issues with icedtea | 20:18 |
| wxl | except for SERIOUS apps e.g. logmein | 20:18 |
| wxl | i usually just install sun java | 20:18 |
| wxl | phillw: thx for the reminder. i need to grab 12.04 | 20:23 |
| phillw | wxl: most likely quicker to grab from http://phillw.net/isos/lubuntu/ (it even knows zsync) | 20:26 |
| wxl | phillw: too late XD | 20:26 |
| wxl | i need to fix my script to account for md5sum -c | 20:26 |
| phillw | wxl: Well, IIRC, you and unit193 are haggling over the script? | 20:27 |
| wxl | if [[ -n "$(md5sum -c MD5SUMS 2>&1 | grep OK ]] → success | 20:28 |
| wxl | i need to get to that at some point | 20:28 |
| wxl | too busy | 20:28 |
| silverarrow | sun java is better than icedtea? | 20:28 |
| wxl | and besides look at that crappy syntax error-ridden shorthand yikes | 20:28 |
| phillw | you have ~ 2 months | 20:28 |
| wxl | silverarrow: it's what java is. but it's not open. | 20:28 |
| wxl | or at least not free | 20:29 |
| silverarrow | firefox crashes on BankID test, immediately, is it java or firefox crash? | 20:29 |
| wxl | try in another browser | 20:29 |
| silverarrow | midori crashes too | 20:29 |
| silverarrow | there is hardly any much better browser than firefox | 20:30 |
| silverarrow | just different or slightly better in some areas | 20:30 |
| wxl | xxxtermrules | 20:30 |
| silverarrow | phillw: did you manage to open alsamixer in vm? | 20:31 |
| wxl | also read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IcedTea for why icedtea over sun/oracle java | 20:31 |
| silverarrow | Iced tea, works with my bank, I am happy about that | 20:32 |
| wxl | i'd say in general icedtea > java in regards to freedom but not always in regards to function | 20:33 |
| wxl | depends on how RMS you want to be | 20:33 |
| kanliot | +z-+ | 21:23 |
| silverarrow | wxl, what do we do with the sound issues ? it is horror | 21:42 |
| wxl | patience grasshopper | 21:43 |
| wxl | these things take time | 21:43 |
| wxl | besides you don't need sound to access your bank | 21:43 |
| wxl | so shush it XD | 21:43 |
| wxl | testing doesn't mean everything works perfect | 21:43 |
| silverarrow | true, and I have sound elsewhere, but I am reading up on this | 21:44 |
| wxl | it means you work hard to identify where it doesn't and provide information to those who can make a difference while exercising patience that they can't fix everything immediately | 21:44 |
| silverarrow | Yeah, I will give it a rest | 21:44 |
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