[00:40] Anything other than the fact of added time, is there a reason squashfs isn't being used with the -comp xz option? I just tried it and it helped quite a bit on space. [00:43] evening to all, I'm ready to start with some testing. How I can help? [00:49] hi [00:49] what have you installed? [00:50] or burned really [00:51] hi silverarrow, I have installed, right now, xubuntu 12.04 and lubuntu 12.10 in virtualbox [00:51] I see [00:51] are you trying to do release upgrade on xubuntu+ [00:52] in terminal I mean [00:52] could you launch alsamixer -a basic? [00:52] in 12.10 [00:53] nop silverarrow, but I can try if you needed ;) [00:53] give me 1 second [00:55] I have great trouble with it in lubuntu ppc [00:56] it does not appear [00:56] and i have no sound [00:57] i have to reboot brb [01:04] silverarrow Im updating lubuntu :/ gimme more time XD [01:08] wxl: / silverarrow... We are still here. Our VM's simply cannot help. [01:08] #t [01:14] back [01:14] nandorf, did you get around to do it? [01:15] yes silverarrow, sorry, gimme more time. I'm updating lubuntu [01:15] yeah, it takes time [01:17] this is my first testing event, so.... I'm newbie and I hope to be helpful [01:19] there are some clever guys here [01:20] I`m mostly here because I have an iBook G4 [01:20] :o [01:20] and I was stubbornly sticking to lubuntu, and not wanting to go back to tiger or leopard on this thing [01:21] powerpc testers were needed [01:21] it is rather difficult when you have to look for solutions [01:22] some people seem to be dead tired of the whole testing thing [01:22] on the ubuntu forum I mean [01:22] here people are eager to make things work [01:23] we miss people with ppc experience I think [01:23] luckily there are very good people on the job [01:23] yeah, I think so [01:25] the upgrading is almost done [01:25] everything that goes wrong in ppc easily gets blamed on the ppc part, but I have a strong feeling it often is more general issues popping up on different hardware [01:26] you mean about the firmware? [01:27] is there a difference? [01:27] yes [01:28] one more reboot [01:28] sorry [01:28] no problem :) [01:36] back again [01:36] updates all the time on the beta [01:45] nandof: did you have a restart? [01:45] nop, my lubuntu is in a VM's [01:45] installing updates... ... ... [01:46] oh of course [01:47] it takes too long to upgrade. /Me now desperate [01:54] it`s all right [01:54] first update? [01:54] it can take ages, or slow network? [01:54] slow network :( silverarrow [01:55] mine is all right now, but can vary a lot [02:15] and ouur PPC testing problem are solved http://sourceforge.net/projects/mac-on-linux/ [02:16] what does that mean? [02:17] useing that or pearPC we dont need to get old macs or do heaps of commoand line stuff in qemu [02:18] not sure how that would work [02:18] running osx in virtual mode? [02:20] running PPC [02:20] it`s been around since 2007, and hardly any progress ? [02:20] well, anything that helps [02:20] also how do you install an application from tar.bz2 [02:21] oh, that again [02:21] no idea [02:22] archivemanager and package manager is the usual [02:23] is anyone booted in lubuntu? [02:23] or ubuntu === meetingology` is now known as meetingology [03:18] why is there no lvm + encription xubuntu testcase? === cyphermox_ is now known as cyphermox [04:05] balloons: the latest entire disk testcase page is unresponsive for me http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/24874/testcases/1300/results [04:05] sagaci, as in the tracker is unresponsive? [04:05] yeah, I guess os [04:08] :-( [04:08] give it a moment and try again [04:21] yep, back up [04:59] sagaci, excellent [04:59] sometimes it gets a bit funy [04:59] maybe during a maintenance period? [04:59] not sure [07:59] balloons: so as you are awake - you look at yesterday's arm daily - main question I have - did it actually boot ? [07:59] :) [08:00] :) [08:00] elfy, I'm not sure I remember! [08:00] but yes, unity 6.8 is landed [08:00] and when i awake I'll test it and arm again [08:00] regressions are the key to look for [08:00] LOL [08:01] I have to sleep first [08:01] then aawake [08:01] ok - I'll wait for the daily to change and update it - been a bit away with the fairies the last week or so I'm afraid [08:01] yea - you'll sleep the sleep of the righteous :D [08:03] might be here - but I appear to have a major regression - it used to boot ok - now it doesn't lol [08:43] ouch [08:43] so no workie? [08:52] nope [08:52] not seen anyone say the same - so I'm assuming it's something here :) [08:58] elfy, can you mail the list and see? [08:58] let others know -- I'm not even seeing straight now I don't think [08:58] heh [08:58] :-) [08:58] but ask them to look at a build between now and monday [08:58] and we'll sort it out [08:58] well - there'll be a new daily shortly - I'll carry on fiddling about and if still nothing later I'll mail the list [08:59] waiting a day isn't bad, upgraded is also goo [08:59] *good [08:59] * balloons wnts to make sure it has unity 6.8 [08:59] and yea know how you feel I did 17/18 hour days for 3 months ... [09:05] got it :) === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|lunch === mmrazik|lunch is now known as mmrazik [10:15] elfy is there an KVM for ARM? [10:16] no idea phillw [10:18] elfy: hmm, it's still a WIP [11:02] phillw: do you find the tracker to be reaaaly slow? [11:04] elfy: at this time of day, it is most likely faster than me :) Do you have a link and I can test from 'piglet' and 'the beast' [11:04] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/24969/testcases/1303/results [11:05] that's slow! [11:05] thought so [11:06] hmm [11:06] worked fine for me [11:06] using mtr I'm getting 74% packet loss from eth0.lutin.canonical.com [11:07] elfy: but, with the number of bugs it is looking up, I'm amazed it didn't just go .... I can't be bothered... this is totally broken :) [11:07] phillw: :) I'd agree - cept I've had trouble with it all morning [11:08] let me try a case with fewer bugs :) [11:08] when I typed the using mtr - I at the same time passed a testcase - it's still waiting for it [11:08] arm is installing faster ... [11:08] :D [11:09] elfy: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/24898/testcases/1439/results launches immediatly [11:11] It is the fact the tracker is waiting on getting the bugs from LP that I think is slowing down http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/219/builds/24969/testcases/1303/results [11:11] That's a lot of bugs! [11:22] mmm - that's a pita [11:23] shame the tracker can't tell the difference between flavours [11:28] elfy, file a bug :) [11:28] elfy, otoh, i think it shouldn't in most cases.. [11:29] elfy: they have only recently (this cycle) the ability to carry bugs over.... I the past, all bug reports were wiped each day. The new system may be a PITA, but it is one heck better than what we had in the past. [11:30] well, there's also that for the installation tests, we are using shared tests [11:31] there has been a lot of work done on QA/Testing area... perfect it is not, complaints you will make, fixes we will make [11:32] knome: if I filed a bug it'd get added to the longlist and make it worse :D [11:33] elfy, no, file a bug against the tracker :P [11:33] elfy: that does encourage people to fix them? ... :P [11:33] it's definitely only been like this recently ish [11:33] knome: I knew what you meant :) just had piskie's head on for a moment [11:33] ;) [11:35] managed to get quite a few done today - 2 arm's 2 xubuntu so far [11:37] elfy: have you had a play with http://systems.cs.columbia.edu/projects/kvm-arm/ ? [11:37] nope - I know without looking - only really started looking at arm in the last few weeks properly [11:39] I think it is the atypical give us some encouragement - the edu's in US of A do turn out decent stuff. There is no harm in engaging them :) [11:40] kanliot So, the search teams found you! please /j ##phillw === _salem is now known as salem_ [13:15] wxl: Can you please make bug 1043518 coherent? [13:15] Launchpad bug 1043518 in linux (Ubuntu Quantal) "live cd is unusable due to video degradation with the splash boot option enabled" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1043518 [13:16] wxl: do you have a fix? [13:23] micahg: hello! about the checkbox 0.14.8 candidate, I can certainly request FFe for the bug you mentioned, just wanted to ask if the bug itself (driver version when using prop drivers fails) is not enough [13:23] micahg: also, for changes, is it OK if I just add a commit to the branch to fix them and resubmit, or should I prepare a "clean" branch and send new merge request? [13:28] roadmr: you can add to the current merge proposal [13:28] roadmr: you could add a distro task to the current bug and request the FFe there if you like, or create a new one and point to the old one [13:29] micahg: a distro task sounds cleaner to me, I think I'll do that [13:29] micahg: thanks so much :) [13:29] roadmr: sure, just keep in mind final freeze is Tuesday at 21:00 UTC [13:31] micahg: oops :) well I'll ask around, maybe we can just remove that feature if it's not critical === salem_ is now known as _salem === _salem is now known as salem_ === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|otp === mmrazik|otp is now known as mmrazik [14:08] the alsamixer problems I am having seems to be an old one [16:06] are there any news on the alsamixer trouble ? [16:06] it seems to be affecting regulari386 too [16:09] silverarrow: bug number, please :) [16:13] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-utils/+bug/1060452 [16:13] Ubuntu bug 1060452 in alsa-utils (Ubuntu) "alsamixer fails to load on quantal ppc" [Undecided,Confirmed] [16:14] working on my 12.10 amd64 [16:56] psivaa: hey, are you having an issue booting into the Desktop CD? [16:58] komputes, yea that's not consistent though at times the reboot did not detect the usb as the install media [17:00] psivaa: I had the same thing, I think. It booted until syslinux then a black screen, after a hard reboot it did not see the usb media (I have to un/re-plug it again) [17:03] komputes, hmm i did not see the black screen though, it just booted without detecting the usb [17:03] komputes, it is not everytime though [17:08] psivaa: is this on bare metal or vm? [17:08] komputes, baremetals two of them amd64 and amd64+mac [17:09] psivaa: whats the hardware? [17:10] phew all night cleaning spree last night [17:10] phillw: you mentioned bug 1043518? [17:10] Launchpad bug 1043518 in linux (Ubuntu Quantal) "live cd is unusable due to video degradation with the splash boot option enabled" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1043518 [17:10] are you looking for the executive summary? [17:11] komputes, one of them is a mac mini and the other is dell inspiron [17:12] wxl: some of this stuff has been passed upstream by Colin. You should have the emails? [17:13] psivaa: I have both and can test it to see if I can confirm this. If you have exact models it would also help. [17:13] phillw: executive summary— the bug was reported on an amd64 system and it seems all the other confirmations were on similar systems. only two folks i know with the problem are johnathan and i and we have the same card. the fix worked for the other folks. for us, i made a new bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/+bug/1061790 more work needs to be done here but it's mostly good. [17:13] Ubuntu bug 1061790 in xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (Ubuntu) "misbehaving X on quantal ppc w/ nvidia geforce fx go5200" [Undecided,New] [17:13] phillw: that good enough? [17:14] phillw: also re: emails i'm working on that :) [17:15] komputes, the dell is N4010 i could give you the lsmod if you'd like [17:17] a request has been made by colin upstream about this unholly mess. [17:18] phillw: largely it's a non issue but adam is right: we need a pointer to ppcfaq in yaboot. and it ineeds to be more obvious (put stars around it or something) [17:18] or a big "read me" in ascii art :) [17:19] * wxl usually sets up his yaboot and/or motd with ascii art XD [17:19] wxl: keep adam in the loop, he is still the guy who has best contact with colin. A grumpy old timer he may be, but no one can call in to doubt his dedication :) [17:20] phillw: i'll tell you one thing. now that i know who adam is (rsavage on forums) i know why you were so disappointed by his loss. he is a major help with a lot of knwoledge. a lot. and you're right, he responds well to people that need a little direction to help themselves. [17:20] wxl: Colin REALLY does not want to use boot parameters. [17:21] he's also snarky as all get out, but i'm cool with that, becuase, whether you get it or not: http://is.gd/gJ5bRQ [17:21] something mucked with audio on my 12.10 [17:21] komputes, mac mini is probably 2.3 ( not sure how to find out though) [17:21] phillw: oh, and boot parameters are not necessary. as long as colin is cool with xorg.conf. [17:21] kanliot: no?! what? on what system? [17:22] wxl: He has kept ppc alive. I need say no more. you now realise that. [17:22] kanliot: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-utils/+bug/1060452 [17:22] Ubuntu bug 1060452 in alsa-utils (Ubuntu) "alsamixer fails to load on quantal ppc" [Undecided,Confirmed] [17:22] lol wxl [17:22] just something installed pulseaudio [17:22] oh [17:22] no idea what, haven't installed anything for a week [17:22] well who cares then that's your own darn fault :) [17:23] is it? [17:23] kanliot: just being silly, but it does point to the notion about being carefully what your software installs along with it. [17:23] what if it just happened after i updated? [17:24] that's strange [17:24] possible [17:24] kanliot: shouldn't you be off doing better thing?... like editing the getlubuntu area? :D [17:24] i did that already [17:24] besides i'm testing [17:24] look in /var/log/dpkg.log [17:24] ah [17:24] see that's smart [17:24] e.g. grep pulseaudio /var/log/dpkg.log [17:24] * wxl beams? [17:25] wxl: if he has done his tasks, he's all yours! I'm off to install an instance for TOR [17:25] yeah it was installed today, just like i though [17:25] t [17:26] ok so now i need to remember how to look up dependencies and what not [17:26] lol me 2 [17:26] https://www.torproject.org/index.html.en Now, who suggested me to that project..... [17:26] i'm gonna ask elsewhere [17:26] i know bioterror or holstein or Unit193 knows this [17:27] well it was gstreamer0.10 [17:28] how do you know? [17:28] /var/log/dpkg.log [17:30] i have four packages that begin with gstreamer0.10 [17:30] and no pulseaudio [17:32] do you mean gstreamer0.10-alsa? [17:32] ok, maybe i don't know what i know [17:32] or you mean gstreamer0.10-pulseaudio? cuz you shouldn't have that [17:33] i'm take a break [17:33] thanks for the help sincerely [17:34] we'll figure it out [17:34] can you check out gpicview on 12.10? [17:35] messed up display with medium-large images? [17:36] kanliot: apt-cache rdepends pulseaudio will give reverse dependencies but it will give you all possible ones, rather than only the ones you have installed [17:37] you could write a script to iterate through dpkg --get-selections and grep the list for them, but i think that function is built into aptitude, too [17:37] me hates aptitude [17:37] ↑ oh, you get the point. [17:39] * wxl should build that script and spell out the official untimely end for aptitude ;) [17:41] psivaa: sudo dmidecode -s system-product-name [17:41] psivaa: that should give you the model [17:42] psivaa: is this with the daily or the beta2 image? [17:49] wxl i'm using reverse-depends [17:52] kanliot: not rdepends but apt-cache rdepends right? they're different [17:53] reverse-depends is a python script you can install [17:55] not sure that's the same === yofel_ is now known as yofel [18:15] phillw: ping [18:16] wxl: pong [18:16] komputes, its MacMini5,1 and with today's daily image (20121005) [18:16] psivaa: and whats the Inspiron Model? [18:17] phillw: do you know if adam ever lurks on irc? [18:17] komputes, that it Inspiron N4010 [18:19] cuz now i REALLY need to pick his brain. this sound bug, at least on my end is getting REALLY interesting. i'm wondering if it's an OS bug at all. [18:19] wxl: he hates IRC with the same passion you do on forum areas.... A marrige forxed in fell : [18:19] )7 [18:19] if it weren't for arild's case, i'd discount it entirely and say my sound is screwed. [18:19] hahahahhah i figured as such. oh well. ;) [18:19] *hell* [18:20] why linux rules: was going to convert my openoffice co-worker to libre office. only available downloads are torrents. wha?! apt, where are you when i need you? [18:20] (this is on windows btw) [18:22] wxl: becuase of his disabillity, he really prefers not to use IRC, he's not the only 'old-timer' who prefers forum / email. [18:22] phillw: didn't realize he had a disability [18:22] wxl: both of them are old timers. [18:22] otherly abled people often don't appear to have them ;) [18:23] if t=you [18:23] t? [18:23] undeclared variable [18:25] wxl: if you want a dedicated download for libre, I can grab it onto http://phillw.net/isos/ will take but a few minutes once you give me the link :) [18:26] don't worry about it, i just think it's stupid [18:27] biggest problems with os x/windows are lack of package management [18:27] wxl: you also may hate TOR, but they're getting an area on my server [18:27] app store is kind of getting there but still [18:27] tor, i.e. onion? [18:28] wxl: oniion [18:28] oh i don't hate tor. it's not 100% fun but i don't hate it. what you running on that server btw? [18:28] debian? [18:30] onion is ZNC, the new VM is for TOR [18:31] Tor have asked for a ubuntu-server install. [18:31] ah cool [18:32] the server i connect to runs debian which is fine (esp. considering it's free and a friend/customer runs it so i can ask him to install packages and he is happy to oblige) but sure wish it was canonical something sometimes [18:32] we had a chat and I mentioned I had A 12.04 ISO kicking about, they said that would do nicely. [18:33] my server runs CentOS, but the VM's under KVM don't actually give a **** :) [18:34] **** == the slightest problem... [18:35] kvm don't work on my main machine [18:35] wxl: how come? [18:35] i put 12.10 on the crappy dell desktop i got for free (yes, i am very adept at getting free machines and i'm working hard at figuring out what i need to barter for this 15" powerbook with the radeon chip) [18:35] we'll see if it works [18:36] but the main machine (free laptop) has a cpu that doesn't appear to support kvm [18:36] ahh, yes, there is the cpu issue. [18:36] yep, insurmountable really, esp. on a laptop [18:36] thankfully, piglet passed [18:37] also: centos?! you a card-carrying redhatter? [18:37] so, does oracle vBox work for you? [18:37] yep. qemu, too. [18:37] well, f [18:38] don't worry too much about KVM. [18:38] well i really *WANT* to use it [18:38] i'm all for the native solution [18:38] e.g apt rules. everything else sucks. ;) [18:41] wxl: I'm also a card carrying 100% result for Red Hat Certified Admin person. To me, CentOS is a tool, I can happiliy run lubuntu in it. [18:44] wxl: my other hard drive is lubuntu & happily runs CentOS... they share the same /home partition.... is there really that big a differene?? I say not and just keep quiet :) [18:50] phillw: well if there's any one thing going for red hat it's the certifications and the fact that there about the only globally-recognized linux cert out there. [18:51] i mean within the linux community, there are others that would fly but for joe blow company that happens to use linux? nope. [18:51] honestly i haven't used rh or any variant thereof in years [18:53] I'm a firm believer that the penguin is agnostic .... Let's concentrate on bug 1 [18:53] Launchpad bug 1 in Ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority desktop market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1 [18:54] bbs, just got to finish off the server for Tor [18:55] XD [18:57] hah, kill -9 on my own login doesn't help :) [19:01] :) [19:01] ouch colin declined it [19:05] he was never going to put a fudge in. it is for the upstream teams to sort the mess out.# [19:05] :) [19:05] i'm gonna confirm that later. i didnt' realize there were such good bugs [19:06] are you familiar with mixxx? open source dj software? qt interface? [19:06] whether or not you are, you get the general idea. waveforms, knobs, all sorts of gui crap going on, right? [19:06] with that in mind, grok this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mixxx/+bug/664369 [19:06] Ubuntu bug 664369 in Mixxx "ANSI text terminal interface" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [19:07] that is why I SCREAMED at you guys to herd the bugs together.... Only then does PPC have a case for regression. [19:07] it's fun AND serious [19:07] wxl: welcome to the club :) [19:08] phillw: i am working feverishly on ppc and browbeating testers as much as possible to submit their findings in bug reports. it's a never ending battle even people who know better. *ahem* silverarrow *cough cough* [19:08] its not screaming unless its all caps [19:10] wxl: that is why I needed a PPC person to take over. Between you and Adam, I am confident that it will happen [19:10] phillw: yep, we're both geeky enough. i just need more hardware to test on. [19:10] Colin has rightly said to 'upstream'.... get it bloody sorted. [19:10] must find a way to coerce my coworker out of this radeon 15" [19:11] she did say i could replace the hard drive temporarily but that's a lot of work [19:11] i MIGHT see if i can get a usb hard drive going but that could add other potential negative byproducts [19:12] wxl: I must pop off for a while to finalise the tor VM area for them. [19:12] i also have a g3 but that thing is messed up [19:12] ta [19:12] ping me if urgent [19:12] k [19:53] psivaa: I am getting a "Boot Error" when trying the amd64+mac daily on a mac mini [19:55] wxl? [19:55] silverarrow: yes, dear? [19:55] komputes, that's strange, i was able to boot without any issues [19:55] I don`t understand the problem completely, really [19:55] you forgot the last word [19:55] "multimedia" [19:55] how does open firmware enter into it? [19:55] lshw, for powerpc, returns the open firmware device tree [19:56] in other words, it's supposed to tell you everything that the firmware sees [19:56] hmm, bad firmware? [19:56] that firmware, as i hope you know, is "upstream" of the operating system [19:56] in other words, if the firmware can't see it, the operating system can't [19:56] or was the some tricky function in 12.04 that made it bypass firmware? [19:56] on the other hand, perhaps the problem is lshw is limited [19:57] i certainly don't understand how sound works in open firmware but i know enough about how to hack around in it and i couldn't find any good info except that the bus for sound should be a pci component which goes back to my original notion that lspci should pick up on it if the firmware does [19:59] omg [19:59] I never say that [19:59] not sure where it came from [20:02] ? [20:02] oh SAW that [20:03] I have never even entered open firmware [20:03] don't advise [20:03] it uses forth which has a nasty syntax [20:04] for example, to find out the device tree you do: [20:04] dev / ls [20:04] I see, [20:04] which is transliterated like "devices of root list" [20:04] doesn't sound right [20:04] does icedtea work ? [20:04] * wxl shrugs [20:04] not there yet [20:05] I installed extra and the browser plugin, but java test cursor keeps circling [20:05] it worked in 12.04 [20:05] I have to stop saying that [20:06] java and adobe flash gets a lot of hate these days [20:06] I need it though [20:06] you're forced by them to need it [20:06] i could do without them [20:06] they're annoying [20:06] that's like saying you need windows to play good games [20:06] well, I need my web-based bank [20:07] no, they need to use an open interface [20:07] it is the login code and bank ID which is java run [20:08] my bank doesn't use that garbage [20:08] unnecessary [20:08] it is the most widely used too, so we just have to live with it for years still [20:09] alsamixer and sound turned out more tricky than I thought [20:17] my bank works fine [20:17] fast and easy [20:17] including java [20:18] in the past i've had few issues with icedtea [20:18] except for SERIOUS apps e.g. logmein [20:18] i usually just install sun java [20:23] phillw: thx for the reminder. i need to grab 12.04 [20:26] wxl: most likely quicker to grab from http://phillw.net/isos/lubuntu/ (it even knows zsync) [20:26] phillw: too late XD [20:26] i need to fix my script to account for md5sum -c [20:27] wxl: Well, IIRC, you and unit193 are haggling over the script? [20:28] if [[ -n "$(md5sum -c MD5SUMS 2>&1 | grep OK ]] → success [20:28] i need to get to that at some point [20:28] too busy [20:28] sun java is better than icedtea? [20:28]