=== Cythraul is now known as WelshDragon [06:01] good morning [06:14] hey christel [07:13] Morningall [07:15] morning [07:18] hey mattt , diplo [07:19] hmm.. conky acting up [07:19] hullu you all :D [07:19] when I configure it on my system , it floats OVER all the other windows [07:19] 0/ *** christel [07:42] I've not used conky in years [07:42] nom nom nom, fried eggs from the garden [07:49] Amazed those chickens still make eggs after being scared from the BBQ :P === chambo is now known as jellybean [07:58] Hey all [07:59] Does anyone know a decent guide or have a recommended procedure to to install Ubuntu Server to a compact flash card? [08:00] Normally I would use EXT2 and use tmpfs for tmp etc to try to reduce writes but I'm wondering if there's a better way to do it these days? [08:00] morning === iahmad is now known as iahmad|lunch [08:01] morning [08:01] Good morning [08:04] morning all [08:08] lots of nice fixes this morning [08:08] thanks all [08:08] <3 [08:09] dkjml [08:09] sorry [08:09] hmm.. still fighting conky [08:10] Grr [08:10] is you the famous knightwise ? [08:10] Famous ? :) erm .. yes [08:10] http://knightwise.com/tag/podcast-2/ [08:10] :> [08:10] How is the 12.10 beta looking? I'm just in the process of reinstalling my home server/desktop. I'll put 12.04 on the server for LTS, but just wondering whether it's worth installing the beta of 12.10 or waiting a few more weeks for the release. [08:11] cool used to listen to your podcast :p [08:11] YES [08:11] it's totally worth it [08:11] bittin^work: yes .. guilty :) that iZ me :) [08:11] :p [08:11] last night they put out unity 6.8 and there are a lot of nice fixes [08:11] you a listener ? [08:11] yes [08:12] SuperMatt, is it stable enough for daily use without frustration? [08:12] jellybean: yes. yes it is [08:12] I've been salivating all morning [08:12] SuperMatt, thanks I'll try 12.10 then [08:12] s/all morning/ since ten to nine [08:12] amazon are silly [08:12] beh [08:13] popey, Why's that? [08:13] bittin^work: you should listen again :) ... We have the famous popey coming up :) [08:14] => [08:14] nice [08:14] haha [08:24] Setting up a home server: Should I bother with LDAP for auth/samba/etc? [08:25] What are your clients and how many do you have> [08:25] The answer is probably "no" though. [08:26] I've not bothered with ldap, just setup samba [08:26] My clients are me, and I've been thinking that the answer is probably no but like the idea of keeping everything in one place [08:26] Not got much experience with it though so it might be more hassle than its worth [08:26] jellybean: I just did a a standard install to an SD card [08:26] FWIW I just do all my file transfers with SFTP [08:27] ext4 [08:27] sshfs <3 [08:27] Samba is acceptable for those *ick* Windows clients [08:28] AlanBell, Thanks [08:28] and yes, on the desktop go straight to 12.10, do not pass go, do not install 12.04 [08:28] i haven't played with Samba for years [08:29] Well there is one other user on the network (I.e. the other half) who uses windows and would like files available via samba [08:31] i use samba everywhere because its less of a windows thing and more of a anything can use it thing [08:31] +1 gord :) [08:31] I'm the same as it 'just works' [08:32] I just setup samba for the windows machine i'm using at home, got it working eventually, pah fancy windows home not having an NFS client. [08:32] I guess I could just use samba and allow guest writes to all the shares and it (Sort of) solves the problem [08:33] yeah mine is totally open jellybean, my kids aren't old enough to break anything yet [08:33] When it comes time to need to do that I can [08:40] * awilkins strikes the desk with his head, for the git who wrote this code ran it through an autoformatter set to 3 spaces. But only some of it. So now every possible formatting config for his editor is wrong. [08:48] awilkins: it could always be worse though... [08:48] I regularily have to wade through obsfucated/compressed javascript to find bad code :( [08:49] hmmm [08:49] builderman yanked mah internetz [08:49] I just found a bunch of bad code by grepping for Windows linebreaks :) [08:49] BigRedS: that's cheating [08:49] * kirrus is aware we're supposed to cheat [08:50] This code is *hideous* [08:50] Using reflection to display data instead of MVC [08:51] The UI element is passing Method objects to another object so it knows which field to read [08:51] * awilkins throws up in his mouth a little [08:52] makes me think about lunch [08:52] hmm.. hungry [08:52] If your UI element knows enough about your bloody class to pass a method to another class.... just have it use the method it passed in the first place.... [08:53] anybody know anything about conky ? [08:53] At least that's just lazy and poor abstraction, not horribly complex and prone to failure if you ever refactor it === iahmad|lunch is now known as iahmad [09:06] This is probably a stupid question, but do GIDs on ubuntu server and ubuntu desktop correspond to the same groups? [09:19] Generally, <100 they're defined by policy [09:19] so www-data is always UID/GID 33 for example [09:20] It's expected that <100 is up to Ubuntu to define, >100,<1000 is for your use for systemy users, >1000 is for humans who want to log in [09:20] I think [09:20] * czajkowski stabs BigRedS [09:21] * AlanBell takes sharp objects away from czajkowski [09:23] * BigRedS bleeds a bit [09:23] * MartijnVdS calls The Cleaner [09:23] Before the paramedic? Cheers! === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [09:23] czajkowski: how is the emerald isle today? [09:24] hmm why is my virtual machine not booting today [09:24] yay now it is :p [09:24] not wet :) [09:24] did have nice saussages and white pudding and eggs there for breakie :D [09:25] mmm white pudding [09:25] good morning everyone. [09:26] hey brobostigon [09:26] morning brobostigon [09:26] AlanBell: and superquinn saussages and galtee bacon [09:26] hey knightwise and bittin^work [09:27] 0/ [09:27] ok , dumb question , can I still display video's that require silverlight in Ubuntu ? [09:27] knightwise: sometimes [09:27] ( I know , i wouldn't dream of visiting a site that requires it .. ) but I need to grab some video's with Kazam for work [09:28] cool a Metro version of TuneinRadio :) [09:29] czajkowski: bit of brown bread with that? [09:29] no no soda bread here [09:29] :( [09:29] * BigRedS is going to UDS apparently [09:30] BigRedS: really :D [09:31] BigRedS: excellent! [09:31] I am not going this time, but it is pretty cool [09:31] knightwise: My memory of it all's a bit old, but there's Silverlight? [09:32] s/Silverlight/Moonlight [09:32] aha , found it , there is a plugin for chromium [09:32] gonna try that [09:32] hmm [09:32] doenst work :( [09:36] czajkowski: yeah, just for a day. Work rang and asked what I was up to on the 30th and if I had a passport [09:37] which day? [09:37] oh, 30th :) [09:37] haha [09:37] is that the friday? [09:37] i.e. not a UDS day :( [09:38] tuesday [09:38] UDS 29/10 - 1/11 [09:39] [09:39] oh cool beans [09:39] so I shall be wandering around loudly advocating swap files, since that's all I can think of that I'd particularly like to get into 13.04 :) [09:39] I was looking at November, when the 30th is a Friday [09:40] that or listening to people :) [09:40] BigRedS: Swap-to-RAM [09:40] +disk [09:40] that's the future! [09:40] haha, yes! [09:40] I'm going to start offering that to people who keep swapping [09:40] anyone know a fix for a conky window that keeps floating OVER every other window ? [09:40] BigRedS: in-memory gzipped ramdisk [09:41] BigRedS: re-invent MagnaRAM [09:41] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MagnaRAM#MagnaRAM [09:43] Sometimes I'm a bit pleased that I didn't have to deal with all these pre-about-2001 great ideas in computers [09:56] anyone noticed that giffgaff are changing their unlimited internet tariff? [09:56] the £10pm one gets tehtering allowed, but usage is now 500mb [09:57] the unlimited one (no tether) is £12 [09:59] oh that's cool [09:59] must tether my wife's laptop and phone, because she uses that tariff and doesn't run up much Internet [10:02] I still don't see why mobile providers should know or care whether I'm tethering or not. 1GB is 1G whether it stops at my phone or carries on into a laptop [10:02] Morning all [10:03] yeah, I agree that they shouldn't be introspecting our data and charging differently according to characteristics they discern [10:03] BigRedS: It makes a certain amount of sense for unlimited data plans because poeple are likely to use more data if they're tethering, and it's probably "unlimited" based on assumptions about how much people use from a phone. [10:03] BigRedS, it was unlimited, so i guess unlimited is OK, so long as the portion of users using around 100-300mb in reality is manageable, but if abused by tetheres, it could habitually be 2-5gb [10:03] mungojerry: yeah it's 1gb thoughnot 500 ? [10:03] * mungojerry checks [10:04] Well that's what my email said yesterday [10:04] correct 1gb http://community.giffgaff.com/t5/Blog/Upcoming-goodybag-and-tariff-changes/ba-p/6203900 [10:04] and when is this effective from? Can I tether right now? [10:04] didn't get the mail though [10:04] psst_, 6th november [10:04] it was my payment one [10:04] bah! [10:04] I want it now! [10:05] i have recurring goodybag [10:05] just happened to read it on blog [10:05] yeah same here [10:05] so does my wife [10:05] you already have GG? [10:05] switched my wife this week [10:05] (I work from home and get by on an occasional £5 goodybag [10:05] might be able to use the £5 one now [10:05] mungojerry: is the new wife any better? [10:06] badum -chish [10:06] how long does credit last? [10:07] ooh - no idea. I just assumed it lasted indefinitely if you didn't leave the phone unused for a long time [10:07] I went away for 7 weeks and lost nothing. [10:07] maybe i can get £5pm and have £5 credit for non GG calls that should last me a few months at least [10:10] yeah, actually I'm wondering whether I even need to buy goodybags any more. I still don't have data working (never bothered) and I use about 10 texts a month and only really call giffgaff or 0800 numbers, and the occasional landline [10:11] wow [10:11] my talktalk broadband price has increased around 25% latly [10:11] to what? [10:12] about £28 [10:12] was more like 20-22 [10:12] bb+phone [10:12] hardly use phone either [10:14] I pay just under £45 for 60MBs bb+unused phone+cable+1TB tivo [10:15] I certainly missed the broadband when I worked over a 3G+ connection from remote foreign parts [10:17] probably too much given that we manage to watch at most 5 hours of non-free tv a week [10:18] Try a 10s-latency CDMA connection in Remote Foreign Parts some time. [10:18] * Darael shudders* [10:19] ...Where did that asterisk come from? [10:19] probably from Digium. [10:19] I think I'll just blame Typo Gremlins. [10:19] Darael: it's one you sent several years ago over that high-latency connection [10:19] * davmor2 doesn't know [10:20] psst_: As good an explanation as any. I'll take it. [10:20] that'll be £45, please [10:21] Hmm. I'm not carrying cash. Can I interest you in a top-quality domesticated reason, instead? I have several. Trying to crossbreed them with excuses. [10:21] Darael: I'd go for voodoo myself [10:22] Darael: if you have one that will satisfy the wife when she finds I haven't done any washing up or packing for the weekend yet, I'll take it [10:24] psst_: well the obvious thing there is to do it :P [10:24] * psst_ gasps [10:25] ok, she just texted to say she's stuck in a traffic jam [10:25] that gives me a few mins. [10:25] Thanks for all the info, guys [10:44] Hm. what's the current fashionable thing to use to run an apt repositiory? I tried to add some packages to my reprepro one yesterday and realised I had no idea what I was doing. [10:44] is there a new thing I should be doing? [10:58] reprepro? [11:02] that's what I use [11:02] I just have the correct incantation in my history [11:03] reprepro --ignore=missingfile -Vb ~/public_html/packages include quantal gnome-desktop3_3.6.0.1-0ubuntu2_amd64.changes [11:03] \o/ [11:04] * czajkowski breaks Laneys reprepro [11:04] * Laney breaks the whole archive :( [11:05] (or annoys czajkowski for rescoring? ^_^) [11:05] oh do not even go there [11:05] Laney: aha, ta! [11:05] * czajkowski headdesks [11:05] * Laney giggles [11:06] >:( [11:06] BigRedS: there's a bit of initial setup to do too [11:06] I've not been giggling [11:06] yeah, it used to work [11:06] to make the indices [11:06] I used to have a script for it but I can't find it now... I think I accidentally tidied it [11:06] but I only need that once every six months, so … [11:16] czajkowski: Prod [11:16] czajkowski: don't let Laney annoy you, you know thats my job :D [11:17] what's the cheapest bband + phone packages you guys got? [11:19] * popey has virgin cable [11:29] Eeevnin [11:30] oops [11:30] looks like i"m allready here ! [11:34] mungojerry: I'm with popey but I have Phone, Tv and BB [11:42] on the phone to talktalk [11:42] struggling a bit to drive them down [11:44] plusnet ftw [11:45] AlanBell, is that a bt LINE? [11:46] yeah,BT infinity without BT [11:47] i would have to change provider since i have tt line [11:48] what do they do when they taptap on the keybaord? nothing i guess [11:50] accordingly i cannot offer you more than half price rental for more than 3 months [12:06] ooh, is that fibre to the cabinet, AlanBell? [12:07] dwatkins: yeah, 70Mbps down [12:07] nice [12:08] according to their website I could get 40 MBit. [12:08] If the upload speed is to be believed, it's ten times what I get now. [12:08] * dwatkins wonders if there's an unlimited option with a static IP address [12:09] I have static [12:09] the extra packages have static IP [12:09] 250GB seems pretty good, though as a limit. [12:09] I'm currently with BeThere, they seem to let me do what I want. [12:09] i have 80mbit down fibre, use about 150gb a month [12:09] with zen not plusnet [12:10] yeah, I don't think I could get close to 250GB [12:10] i could, but the 400gb package is the next one up for me, might upgrade just for piece of mind [12:11] 41.44GB last month [12:11] 26.88GB the month before [12:12] and midnight to 8am doesn't count [12:12] I had 6GB of midnight to 8am last month [12:12] anyone wanna play songpop? [12:12] I don't think I can tell how much internets I use. If I look at eth0 on my server, it includes internal traffic. [12:13] my router has a little measuring thing [12:13] this is from the plus.net customer console [12:14] yeah, bethere has no such tool, probably because they're not counting it [12:14] i switched from be, they can't get their act together with reguards to fibre and didn't like that they started blocking websites cos of that court order thingy [12:15] I thought everyone had to comply with those court orders to block certain websites. [12:15] only companies that were part of the thing, its not a law it was a court order [12:17] ah ok [12:30] phone lines are such a swindle [12:31] even with fibre they discourage you (with ££) from unbdundling your phone from the package [12:31] I barely use my landline at home any more. [12:32] yeah, but you pay almost the same as your mobile for it [12:32] If I could persuade my parents to call me via Skype, I'd only keep it for emergencies. [12:32] more, I think - my mobile costs me 13 a month. [12:32] oops, that was supposed to have a pound symbol [12:33] my wife is on the phone for hours in the evening [12:33] to the same person each time popey ? [12:33] to people who own computers, popey? ;) [12:33] using popey's sip gateway? [12:33] I wonder if I can get my brothers to call me via sipgate [12:33] haha [12:34] hmm, interesting, maybe one day I'll setup asterisk [12:34] i have a sip phone on my desk [12:34] cisco 7940 [12:34] either that or you can buy a skype phone thingy [12:34] for the house [12:34] I assume my Cisco phone at work uses SIP or some other kind of VoiP. [12:34] there's always the mobile apps for Skype or SIP, too. [12:34] skype quality sucks though [12:34] I can make 0800 calls from my mobile for free with sipgate's app and a free account. [12:35] dwatkins, how much per minute are the sipgate charges? [12:35] couldn't work out if 0.02p or £0.02 [12:35] mungojerry: no idea, I've never paid them a penny ;) http://www.sipgate.co.uk/ has details I imagine [12:36] looks like 1.19 pence per minute to UK landlines [12:37] what a rip off, walker release new crisps that look like mcocys and are in big bags, but only weigh 28g ass opposed to the mccoys [12:38] I remember crisps. [12:38] i remember them every day at lunch time, and eat them [12:38] I miss them a little. [12:38] i miss curry and spicy food :( [12:39] I'd be gutted to have had to give that up [12:39] yeah [12:40] I also miss sugar a little, but not too badly. [12:40] however if i'm ever convicted or murder i'll eat a doner kebab with chilli sauce, and a hot curry [12:40] before being sent to the chair [12:40] are you allergic to hot spicy food, mungojerry? :-/; [12:40] we don't do chairs [12:40] intolerant to the effect of extreme appendicitis-like pain [12:41] AlanBell: after what some parliaments have done to the UK, nothing would surprise me, sadly. [12:41] mungojerry: eek [12:41] I'm lactose-intolerant, but it's easily worked-around and even agrees with my diet. [12:41] i'm probably something else intolerant as i can't gain weight, and feel tired a lot, but dunno what [12:42] I feel much better for having given up carbs and sugars, less fluctuation in energy levels. [12:42] but...but...minstrels [12:42] and haribo [12:43] I know [12:43] those are the things I miss - I sometimes am naughty [12:45] my drawer at work is legendary [12:45] monster munch, chocolate and haribo, and biccies [12:46] as part of a balanced diet of course [12:46] whereas I have lots of screwdrivers and cables... [12:46] even the internal support guy comes to me for stuff sometimes [12:46] and i don't/can't really drink beer anymore either [12:46] a balanced diet of monster munch and haribo sounds wonderful ;) [12:56] nothing makes a fun day like a library where every single included example fails to run :/ [13:20] its like raaayhaaain, on your wedding day [13:21] a traffic jam when your already late [13:21] * czajkowski sticks a gobstoppper in gord [13:23] czajkowski: Why? [13:23] wy not [13:26] czajkowski: that doesn't answer the question posed, if you'd said cause he likes sweets I could of gone with that but no :D [13:27] it's been a long day/week Laney will vouch for it [13:27] Laney: don't vouch it's a trap [13:29] it's FRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIDAY [13:30] \o/ [13:31] * brobostigon eyes up some beer [13:31] * davmor2 added the pompom's to annoy czajkowski some more [13:40] god, it's freezing today [13:41] * Laney resists the urge to turn the heating on [13:43] * dwatkins resists the urge to turn the desk fan on [13:43] I think our air conditioning thinks it's the dead of winter [13:45] i put on the heating hours ago :P [13:48] heating....! It's only October! [13:49] its because you're still wearing summer gear [13:53] I'm just a stingy git :) [13:53] Bought blankets for the kids instead [13:58] * czajkowski has her electric blanket on these days [13:58] Heavenly! [14:03] wuss [14:08] it's cold! [14:10] and more importantly, warm things are great [14:10] it's not cold! Water is still liquid! [14:11] It's cold. [14:11] We might be having an argument about whether the aircon goes on in the office or not... [14:12] Electric blankets, my gran used to have electric blankets, didn't know they still did them [14:13] Yeah.. I should probably pull mine out at some point.. [14:13] cheaper than putting the heating on [14:15] I just go without the heating and get nice and warm under the duvet [14:18] sometimes I think that all it'd take to make BigRedS really *really* happy would be an infinitly-full and eternally hot mug of coffee... [14:21] cold coffee's good, too, sometimes [14:31] org [14:31] ewww [14:31] Tea [14:31] :) [14:32] tomato juice \o/ [14:32] popey: did you get yours yet? [14:32] pear drops \o/ [14:32] pear juice or pineapple juice is lovely [14:32] grapefruit are also nom [14:32] I love pineapple juice [14:33] AlanBell, no, i moaned about it on twitter, and HDNL (Yodel) found my moan and followed me and figured out the problem [14:34] "Hi. Unfortunately the Tomato Juice was damaged so was disposed of. I'm glad Amazon are sending more! If" [14:34] I replied "Kinda alarming that I had to go off to twitter and find out that product was damaged, got no notification otherwise." [14:34] "I understand mate. As soon as you get that tracking number, DM me with it and I will keep an eye on your parcel. Danny :-)" [14:34] I don't like people I don't know calling me "mate" [14:35] popey: Better go and tell him that. [14:36] interesting to see how they are using twitter [14:36] "I'm not your mate" [14:36] Then you square up to him [14:37] not sure if I should wear a warm coat or a waterproof [14:39] Waterproof, it's not that cold outside :) === _ is now known as Guest22829 [15:14] warm and take a brolly, brollys are more fun [15:16] I don't want to pay £10 for this cable, but I can't find it anywhere else cheaper. http://www.tabletchargersandcases.co.uk/double-male-55mm-x-25mm-55x25-connect-dc-lead-cable-1816-p.asp :( [15:16] he's just trying to be nice though [15:16] make one? [15:16] you can't take two others and just solder them together? [15:16] don't really wanna make one, mostly because I'm lazy [15:17] xD [15:17] pay the £10 lazy tax then :) [15:17] It's one of those teach-a-man-to-fish-and-buy-him-a-soldering-iron things [15:17] guess so, haha [15:18] AlanBell, I prefer a hat to a brolly [15:19] AlanBell, a wide-brim hat requires no hands. And breaks less than brollies in wind. Get a crushable one and you can stuff it in your coat if it's really windy [15:19] I have one [15:19] Plus of course, hats are cool [15:19] they are [15:19] [15:21] https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-TOA5hh_e5Ww/T0n1VF9o7MI/AAAAAAAACCM/KxPYHEUnKFg/s480/2012-02-26+09.00.05.jpg [15:21] ebay is nice and logical with it's delivery options, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/screenshots/2012/October/2012-10-05-161910_250x105_scrot.png [15:21] AlanBell, If I had a mirror in the hallway, I could take a picture strangely familiar to that one [15:22] For a moment, I thought it was me. [15:22] one day aliens are gonna land, find all these pictures of people holding up phones and assume its some sort of way of communicating. it'll get awkward as they hold up plastic black things at us [15:23] gord: indeed, especially as they would probably be holding copies of last years iPhone [15:23] how embarassing [15:24] inorite [15:24] yarly [15:24] "Your phone doesn't even do NFC? How are we going to swap sexual preferences?" [15:35] awilkins: no Bow ties are cool [15:36] And Stetsons [15:55] and fezes [15:58] Guys if anyone is still about [15:58] thoughts [15:58] We run a statement run that creates files with names like sp10.000.randomnumber [15:59] We have had a code change for statements, I'm testing it.. pre code had 307 docs out [15:59] post 304 [15:59]