[14:36] <xTEMPLARx> =]
[14:49] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: greetings
[14:50] <xTEMPLARx> g'mornin' sir!
[14:51] <wrst> how you doing?
[15:48]  * wrst feels ignored by xTEMPLARx
[15:49] <xTEMPLARx> lol
[15:49] <xTEMPLARx> donut be lonely, Senor WRST
[15:49]  * xTEMPLARx is doing pretty well thus far, thank you.
[15:49] <wrst> ha ha xTEMPLARx
[15:49] <xTEMPLARx> hopefully you and yours are well, as well
[15:49] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[15:50] <wrst> oh yeah looking forward to baseball this afternoon
[15:50] <xTEMPLARx> who's playin?
[15:56] <Juzzy> anyone here android hax0rs?
[16:00] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: the braves... you must not be a baseball fan? its the most wonderful time of the year
[16:01] <wrst> as usual i am not cool/smart enough to answer Juzzy's question :)
[16:01] <xTEMPLARx> wrst I know that feel
[16:02] <wrst> ha ha xTEMPLARx i always have that feeling
[16:07] <Juzzy> well i've never touched a droid until a couple of days ago
[16:08] <Juzzy> ive rooted it and finially today got ssh+root working
[16:08] <Juzzy> so the problem is: theres a bug in activesync where if you sync a calander event, then move it to aother cal, it doesnt update properly and forever breaks the sync on the droid
[16:09] <Juzzy> so I rooted it, located the sqlite db: /data/data/com.android.providers.calendar/databases/calendar.db
[16:09] <Juzzy> found the offending event and deleted the entry
[16:10] <Juzzy> however it's still broken, I'm not sure if it's cached or what
[16:10] <Juzzy> still trying to sync this bad id :(
[16:11] <Juzzy> ive killed calendar and the 3rd party sync processes
[16:11] <Juzzy> and rebooted it
[16:11] <Juzzy> nada :(
[16:11] <Juzzy> the ppl in #android are completly useless heh
[16:27] <wrst> surely not more useless than xTEMPLARx or me?
[16:32] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[16:32] <xTEMPLARx> so I grabbed the 12.10 beta2 64-bit iso yesterday
[16:33] <xTEMPLARx> took it home
[16:35] <xTEMPLARx> removed my botched 12.04 upgrade installation and let it do a clean 12.10 beta2 install
[16:35] <xTEMPLARx> logged into unity
[16:35] <xTEMPLARx> loaded up the software manager
[16:35] <xTEMPLARx> asked it kindly to install gnome-shell, which is 3.6
[16:35] <xTEMPLARx> wont' work
[16:35] <xTEMPLARx> doesn't work
[16:35] <xTEMPLARx> broken
[16:36] <xTEMPLARx> booooo
[16:36] <xTEMPLARx> regular gnome works, but no window manager
[16:36] <xTEMPLARx> argh
[16:36] <xTEMPLARx> gonna have to actually work with it
[16:36] <xTEMPLARx> heaven forbid beta software not do what its supposed to
[17:16] <wrst> well xTEMPLARx that's what you get for trying to use gnome with ubuntu
[17:16] <wrst> as sad as that is
[17:17] <wrst> gnome remix was a total disaster for me when i tried the live cd
[17:52] <xTEMPLARx> no doubt
[17:52] <xTEMPLARx> and I tell you what
[17:53] <xTEMPLARx> I understand the need for income, but the unity dash board search giving you amazon results  is ridiculous
[17:53] <xTEMPLARx> I did a search for synaptic once I logged in
[17:53] <xTEMPLARx> not ONE of the 2 pages of results that came back had anything to do with the synaptic package manager
[17:53] <wrst> yeah that's why i don't run ubuntu on the desktop, unity stinks, they ruin gnome, and stupid stuff
[17:53] <xTEMPLARx> and THAT is ridiculous
[17:54] <wrst> i think ubuntu desktop is getting close to a cluttered up ridiculous mess
[17:55] <xTEMPLARx> I've been mostly fine with it thus far
[17:55] <wrst> i just don't like unity
[17:55] <xTEMPLARx> but this amazon thing is entirely too intrusive and ridiculous
[17:55] <xTEMPLARx> making Unity more of a joke as a default UI
[17:55] <wrst> i think it looks ok but it still looks incomplete for example if the top bar is transparent the menus aren't lots of little things like that
[17:56] <xTEMPLARx> and then to apparently cripple gnome's proper installation ... I'm hoping that's just a beta mistake
[17:56] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: well they won't include nautilus 3.6 period
[17:56] <xTEMPLARx> sad thing is, I hear a lot of people griping about gnome shell but talking about features that are only part of Unity
[17:56] <xTEMPLARx> like the whole full-screen application paradigm
[17:56] <wrst> i don't really won't features
[17:56] <xTEMPLARx> using separate workspaces for each application
[17:57] <wrst> i just want something that opens progrems switches windows and stays out of the way
[17:57] <xTEMPLARx> that's not gnome shell
[17:57] <xTEMPLARx> that's unity
[17:57] <wrst> i actually use a different desktop for apps on gnome shell
[17:58] <xTEMPLARx> but at least you can choose to do so
[17:59] <xTEMPLARx> I work with multiple windows on the same workspace just like always
[17:59] <wrst> yes i generally do that unless i'm using dual montiors then i keep on monitor "locked" and can scroll throught he others in gnome-shell that is pretty nice
[18:00] <xTEMPLARx> sounds like it :D
[18:02] <wrst> but unity is just a little cluttered up mess for me it tries to do everything
[18:02] <wrst> and that just isn't for me if it is for people that s good too i wish them success
[18:08] <xTEMPLARx> seriously
[18:08] <xTEMPLARx> I completely love my current gnome-shell functionality here
[18:08] <xTEMPLARx> there's not a single complaint I can think of
[18:09] <wrst> window switching is really the only complaint i would have its a little unhandy
[18:09] <wrst> but i'm sure there's an extension for that
[18:09] <xTEMPLARx> how so?
[18:09] <xTEMPLARx> alt-tab doesn't work?
[18:09] <xTEMPLARx> also, I use avant-window-manager for my icon bar on the left, so I can switch easily that way as well
[18:10] <wrst> yeah i do like haveing that i just use the activities hot corner or the super key
[18:11] <wrst> but there are extensions but that's really my only complaint and that isn't much of one
[18:15] <xTEMPLARx> i gotchya
[18:15] <xTEMPLARx> the only reason I wanted to change this system was to go to a 64-bit rather than 32-bit PAE system
[18:16] <xTEMPLARx> but I think I'm gonna leave it alone
[18:18] <wrst> i get the itchy to fresh install much quicker than you :)
[18:19] <wrst> or i did now with arch not so much
[18:29] <xTEMPLARx> I always get that itch when something new/unique/cool-to-me is coming out
[18:29] <xTEMPLARx> =]
[18:34] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: you really should run arch it would just come to you :)
[19:15] <xTEMPLARx> wrst:  I may have to give it a try at home
[19:15] <xTEMPLARx> not sure if I have the patience for it, though... lol
[19:16] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: I absolutely love it
[19:16] <wrst> once you get it set up its really no issue
[19:31] <xTEMPLARx> true this
[19:35] <wrst> and i have package kit installed so you can do the whole graphical thing if you want to
[19:36] <xTEMPLARx> package kit?
[19:37] <wrst> yes i think fedora uses it
[19:38] <wrst> yeah its what fedora does, of coruse that isn't default but it works really smoothe in arch, checks for updates etc
[19:38] <wrst> but not from the AUR
[19:39] <xTEMPLARx> I see I see
[19:39] <wrst> AUR is sorta like PPA's
[20:03] <Unit193> But safer, no?
[20:04] <xTEMPLARx> well I may come screaming/crying when it breaks my puter.  :D
[20:04] <xTEMPLARx> and by breaks, I mean by allows me to put it into a non-fully-operational state
[20:04] <wrst> Unit193: not safer
[20:04] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: before you update you need to check the arch linux site
[20:05] <xTEMPLARx> what?  ask questions first and update later?
[20:05] <xTEMPLARx> that seems backwards
[20:05] <wrst> i update daily but when there is a big update of something like graphics drivers, xorg, kernel, system essential type things i check the website
[20:05] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: thats the "arch way" you are in control of your system so if you junk it, well its all your fault :)
[20:06] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[20:06] <chris4585> mhm
[20:06] <wrst> but i have found it to be much more stable than running debian testing because its meant to be a rolling release
[20:11] <Juzzy> We're looking for a linux admin with perl exp if anyone knows anyone looking :D
[20:11] <Juzzy> in franklin
[20:12] <xTEMPLARx> franklin is way over there in middle tn
[20:12] <xTEMPLARx> amirite?
[20:12] <Juzzy> yes.
[20:12] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: yes
[20:12] <xTEMPLARx> kk
[20:12] <wrst> south of nashville a few miles off I-65
[20:12] <wrst> hmm a few mile south of nashville just off of I-65
[20:12] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: you wanting to move to franklin?
[20:13] <xTEMPLARx> not if I don't have to :\
[20:13] <Juzzy> it's good pay
[20:13] <Juzzy> ;/
[20:50] <xTEMPLARx> there's also that little thing about not being any good at perl at the moment
[20:50] <xTEMPLARx> I tend to learn things as I need to, and I've had no need to perl it up.  :(
[20:56] <xTEMPLARx> gonna be on vaca this week, so I'm shuttin' quassel down :D
[20:56] <Juzzy> better hurry
[20:56] <xTEMPLARx> have a good weekend, all
[20:56] <Juzzy> it's a dry market
[20:56] <Juzzy> can make some good bank right now
[20:56] <xTEMPLARx> talkin about learning perl?
[20:56] <xTEMPLARx> hrm
[20:57] <Juzzy> linux in general
[20:57] <xTEMPLARx> I loves me some linux in general
[20:57] <xTEMPLARx> but I'm not certified in much of anything
[20:57] <Juzzy> certs?
[20:57]  * xTEMPLARx points to his last statement.
[20:57] <Juzzy> whats that? :)
[20:57] <xTEMPLARx> haha
[20:59] <Juzzy> there's no certs for being awesome
[20:59] <Juzzy> ;0
[21:02] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: enjoy the vacation!
[21:03] <xTEMPLARx> Juzzy:  there oughta be!
[21:03] <xTEMPLARx> wrst, thank you sir.  I will try to.
[21:03] <wrst> and the point is to keep quasselcore running all the time xTEMPLARx so you don't miss anything :P
[21:03] <xTEMPLARx> but I never scroll back
[21:04] <xTEMPLARx> besides, the last two pages if I'm not here are typically netsplit messages
[21:04] <xTEMPLARx> :P
[21:04] <wrst> fine do it your way :)
[21:04] <wrst> have a great week xTEMPLARx!
[21:04] <xTEMPLARx> later :D
[21:04] <Juzzy> later
[23:45] <chris4585> wrst, I'd use quassel if I could use xchat as a client
[23:46] <linuxman410> wrst u here
[23:47] <linuxman410> anyone here
[23:47] <wrst> linuxman410: yep
[23:47] <linuxman410> wrst what u doing
[23:48] <wrst> watching baseball my braves are about to make an early exit from the playoffs, how about you linuxman410?
[23:49] <linuxman410> going broke
[23:49] <wrst> i think we all are linuxman410 :\
[23:50] <linuxman410> my new messed up and i have run out of mney out of work for about 3 weeks getting ready to lose house and vechicles
[23:50] <linuxman410> knee
[23:50] <wrst> oh no linuxman410
[23:50] <wrst> :(
[23:51] <linuxman410> yep i do not know how much longer i will have internet will try to stay in touch
[23:53] <wrst> hate to hear that linuxman410
[23:53] <linuxman410> yeah me too
[23:54] <linuxman410> after divorce life went to pieces talk to u later going online to try to find help
[23:55] <wrst> ok linuxman410 hop eyou find it
[23:55] <linuxman410> thanks