[00:39] <treaver> Hello
[00:40] <treaver> I need help with Ubuntu 12.10 Beta 2. It boots to a black screen and I have to press f1 to show the boot logo. Then after it's booted when I put it in Standby it works perfectly. But when I open computer from standby or press power button it comes back to a blackscreen and I can't do anything.
[00:40] <ActionParsnip> treaver: what video chip do you use?
[00:40] <treaver> Amd?
[00:40] <treaver> I guess
[00:40] <ActionParsnip> treaver: we need to know for sure, running@:  lspci | grep -i vga    will tell you
[00:41] <ActionParsnip> treaver: the fact you aren't aware should be screaming to you to not use prerelease
[00:41] <treaver> 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI Wrestler [Radeon HD 6310]
[00:41] <treaver> It works perfectly and I have everything backed up except the installs which don't take too long.
[00:41] <ActionParsnip> treaver: is the system a laptop?
[00:42] <treaver> Yes it is
[00:42] <ActionParsnip> treaver: get a wired connection and get fully updated, can help
[00:42] <treaver> I'm updating it now via wireless (It's fast)
[00:42] <ActionParsnip> treaver: you can also use CLI to install the proprietary video driver and it wil be used when you next boot
[00:43] <treaver> Can you give me a command to do that
[00:43] <ActionParsnip> treaver: cool, get the video driver installed too once that's done, should help
[00:43] <ActionParsnip> !ati
[00:43] <ActionParsnip> treaver: again, asking such basic question should be ques to not use prerelease if you can't do basic stuff like that
[00:44] <ActionParsnip> treaver: pre-releases are not for the average user
[00:44] <treaver> I'm learning, I'm also learning to program specifically for linux
[00:45] <treaver> Quick question, I can't find the additional drivers in this release.
[00:46] <treaver> I've installed the video driver before in other releases but never this one
[00:46] <ActionParsnip> treaver: use CLI
[00:47] <treaver> Could you tell me how? I've typed the command CLI and searched for it
[00:47] <treaver> Is it using te command?
[00:49] <treaver> Sweet I found the driver on amd website going to unzip now I guess?
[00:51] <ActionParsnip> treaver: the driver is in the repos
[00:51] <treaver> What's the command to install it
[00:52] <ActionParsnip> treaver: read this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[00:52] <ActionParsnip> treaver: the link to that was in the pagfe ubottu gave
[00:54] <treaver> Yeah I type the first 3 commands and it says the files are not found.
[00:54] <treaver> ::: Save backup copy of xorg.conf in case this doesn't work.  Isn't there
[00:55] <ActionParsnip> treaver: sudo apt-get update
[00:55] <ActionParsnip> treaver: sudo apt-get install fglrx fglrx-amdcccle
[00:55] <treaver> Ok
[00:55] <treaver> So this should make the suspend and stuff work perfectly?! !:)
[00:59] <ActionParsnip> treaver: suspend is a weird creature
[00:59] <ActionParsnip> treaver: we'll see
[00:59] <treaver> :)
[01:00] <treaver> I love ubuntu though, I installed it on 19 friends computers so far. They love it too, they said it sped their computer by atleast 10x from the windows switch
[01:00] <treaver> My grandfather and grandmother even use it ;P
[01:01] <ActionParsnip> depends on needs, most folks just want a web browser to look at porn with etc, and ubuntu does that and for free
[01:01] <treaver> Lol :P
[01:02] <ActionParsnip> mind you, most linux distros do that too
[01:03] <treaver> I've made programs for Windows and the switch is kinda hard. But I'm working on something I call GVibre. It's Google Voice with Unity Integrated. Allows for dialing using the dash, checking messages, and so much more. I'm couple months from finishing but I don't know how to add it to Ubuntu Repos
[01:03] <ActionParsnip> treaver: sounds exciting :)
[01:04] <treaver> do you use google voce?
[01:04] <treaver> voice or talk
[01:04] <ActionParsnip> i use irc, thats pretty much it
[01:04] <treaver> Oh :p
[01:04] <ActionParsnip> i have skype but it probably gets ran once a year if that and only to text chat
[01:05] <treaver> Google Voice lets you like link your phone to it and text and call from any computer by login in to voice.google.com
[01:05] <ActionParsnip> treaver: i always have my phone on me...
[01:05] <treaver> I love skype I just wish they would make it more user friendly like in window for linux
[01:05] <treaver> :P So do I, I just never use it when I have my computer in lap or when I'm at a computer
[01:10] <ActionParsnip> I tend to use both
[01:11] <treaver> You live in Cali!
[01:12] <treaver> I've been there it's amazzzzzzzing :P
[01:12] <ActionParsnip> treaver: UK
[01:14] <treaver> Ahhh
[01:14] <treaver> Alright Andy
[01:15] <ActionParsnip> hi
[01:20] <treaver> So after I've done the commands you told me do I do anything else?
[01:22] <ActionParsnip> treaver: reboot
[01:22] <treaver> Then it's done?
[01:26] <treaver> How do I check if it installed correctly
[01:29] <ActionParsnip> treaver: sudo lshw -C display      will say driver=fglrx   or something similar
[01:30] <treaver_> It worked thank you
[01:30] <ActionParsnip> treaver: cool
[01:32] <ActionParsnip> treaver_: simple stuff
[02:39] <bobweaver> Hello there I am having some real strang troubles with my network
[02:40] <bobweaver> I have like 2 virtual networks running all a sudden and had to kill my mod in order to even get networking back
[02:41] <bobweaver> if I do a ifconfig I see a bunch of virtual networks ,, well 2 but My question is
[02:41] <bobweaver> Is this part of the remote log in stuff ? what is up with the virtual networking stuff showing up ?
[02:42] <bobweaver> remote log in stuff = lightdm remote stuff
[02:47] <trism> bobweaver: what interfaces are you seeing in ifconfig?
[02:49] <ActionParsnip> bobweaver: what are you using to virtualize the OSes?
[02:52] <bobweaver> sorry gues I missed that
[02:52] <bobweaver> I have
[02:52] <bobweaver> vmnet8  vmnet1
[02:52] <bobweaver> them right therer are the odd ones
[02:53] <bobweaver> I have killed everthing virtual (I think ) vmwware client and so on
[02:59] <bobweaver> Wow
[02:59] <bobweaver> whereby serial console output can be remotely viewed over the LAN. Systems implementing IPMI 2.0 typically also include KVM over IP, remote virtual media and out-of-band embedded web server interface functionality
[03:00] <bobweaver> I think That my box is done
[04:00]  * bobweaver eats a guyute pie 
[06:29] <buglyjoe> hi, could someone running 12.10 beta2 please tell me which groups the user should be a member of, by default. I used usermod -G without -a and got removed from all groups
[06:29] <buglyjoe> I mounted the os as a disk and put my self directly into the sudoers file temporarily. so I have root access. I just need to know the groups I should add myself to
[08:40] <krofna> After upgrade to beta2, when I try to login, I get black screen and it goes back to login screen... help?
[08:41] <krofna> I did pkill lightdm && startx but now windows don't have edges (for example, i cant resize nor move anything)
[08:44] <popey> krofna, can you pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy unity compiz" please
[08:45] <krofna> http://pastebin.com/zczH85RS
[08:47] <popey> krofna, can you pastebin your ~/.xsession-errors ?
[08:47] <krofna> http://pastebin.com/gEeXKpYd
[08:50] <popey> krofna, if you run "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop^" does it pull in lots of packages that were missing?
[08:51] <krofna> The following NEW packages will be installed
[08:51] <krofna>   lightdm ubuntu-desktop xorg
[08:51] <krofna> I'll restart X. brb
[08:53] <krofna> Now it just logs me in as root...
[08:53] <popey> i would restart lightdm
[08:54] <krofna> Same issue.
[08:57] <popey> krofna, ATI graphics card?
[08:57] <krofna> Yes
[08:58] <popey> perhaps bug 725580
[09:00] <krofna> Seems pretty old. I didn't have this issue before. And details aren't same. When I login I get the same output on black screen like when I shut down computer, and it sends me back to login screen
[09:01] <krofna> I'll try the suggested fix tho..
[09:08] <krofna> nomodeset breaks everything. ...
[09:09] <krofna> Stuck on purple screen with that param.
[11:54] <BluesKaj> Hiya folks
[11:55] <penguin42> hey
[11:56] <BluesKaj> hey penguin42 , what's up ?
[12:00] <penguin42> not much; just got up not that long ago
[12:03] <allu3> http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.10/ someone should change the "Desktop CD" to Desktop DVD or some other term wher the iso actually fits in, saying Desktop CD is misleading
[12:03] <allu3> i can't install 756mb on standard CD with around 700mb space
[12:04] <dan_a> Hi all, I'm testing 12.10 and my (unsupported) RA3090 wifi card doesn't work on kernel 3.5. It's fine on 3.2. Is it worth reporting this?
[12:17] <TheOneRing> any idea? http://paste.kde.org/562820/ xserver doesnt start , atom cpu with gma600
[12:21] <BluesKaj> TheOneRing, have you considered the recovery kernel , repair broken packages dialog ?
[12:29] <TheOneRing> I an login, so I already run apt-get and it seems that nothing is broken, or what do you mean?
[12:31] <TheOneRing> I an =  I can
[12:33] <BluesKaj> TheOneRing, are you asking me ..if so pls address me by my nick ...I'm in several chats so i need my notifier
[12:34] <BluesKaj> TheOneRing, in grub when booting , choose the recovery kernel
[12:35] <TheOneRing> ok, the 3.5 kernel will give me a misplaced screen, the 3.2-32 a black screen but the 3.23 did boot corectly
[12:35] <TheOneRing> then dpkg?
[12:36] <TheOneRing> BluesKaj: dpkg Repair broken packages
[12:36] <BluesKaj> yes
[12:51] <TheOneRing> didnt work
[12:57] <IdleOne> any issues I should be aware of with this nvidia-current 304.51.really.304.43-0ubuntu1 update?
[12:59] <IdleOne> I guess I'll find out :)
[13:21] <foormea> hi. i'm confused about how telepathy works. i selected to let it run in the background the first time i closed it
[13:22] <foormea> now i really can't find an option to change that
[13:22] <foormea> and killing telepathy doesn't work, it gets restarted after just a few seconds
[13:46] <jdfoote> I just upgraded to 12.10, and now my login isn't working. When I enter the incorrect pw, it tells me it's wrong, but when I enter the correct pw, the screen goes black, then goes back to the login screen.
[13:46] <jdfoote> Any help would be great!
[13:47] <IdleOne> How is it not working?
[13:47] <IdleOne> err sorry
[13:47] <jtaylor> is unity horrendously slow seince a few days for others too? nvidia open source drivers
[13:48] <jtaylor> after reboot its ok but at some point it starts crawling
[13:48] <Daekdroom> If I had to guess, I'd say that X is crashing as soon as you start your session.
[13:48] <jdfoote> I don't know if this is the right place to look, but auth.log is telling me "Rejected send message, 2 matched rules;......"
[13:49] <TankC> Hey everyone, is there a keyboard shortcut to view the virtual desktop switcher?
[13:49] <jdfoote> Ok - any ideas about where to look for the problem, or how to fix?
[13:52] <silverarrow> you might bypass the graphics driver?
[13:52] <penguin42> jdfoote: Normally if it's going back to the login either the X server or some part of the desktop crashed; the trick is to find which
[13:52] <penguin42> jdfoote: I'd check /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old just after the crash and see if at the bottom there is a backtrace
[13:53] <jdfoote> ok - looking now
[13:54] <jdfoote> I don't see anything that looks like an error
[13:54] <jdfoote> I assume it would be pretty obvious?
[13:55] <jdfoote> Definitely no long backtraces
[13:55] <penguin42> yeh it should be, so ok, if it's not X itself crashing it could be something in the desktop
[13:55] <penguin42> jdfoote: So I'd check .xsession-errors just after it's failed
[13:56] <penguin42> jdfoote: Is it actually writing to .xsession-errors (is the timestamp up to date) ?
[13:56] <jdfoote> penguin42: Thanks for your help.
[13:56] <penguin42> jdfoote: No prob
[13:57] <jdfoote> I hadn't looked at .xsession-errors yet.
[13:57] <jdfoote> Looks like nothing new was written
[13:58] <jdfoote> The last message was from when I was updating - says Owner :1.39 of volume monitor org.gtk.Private.AfcVolumeMonitor disconnected from the bus; removing drives/volumes/mounts
[13:59] <penguin42> jdfoote: So if you delete the .xsession-errors and then try logging in does it come back?
[13:59] <jdfoote> I'll try now
[14:00] <jdfoote> No, it does not
[14:00] <penguin42> jdfoote: OK, so that means it didn't get very far at all
[14:00] <penguin42> jdfoote: I'd check in /var/log/lightdm
[14:00] <jdfoote> ok
[14:01] <jdfoote> Which file?
[14:01] <penguin42> jdfoote: hmm - lightdm.log probably
[14:02] <jdfoote> Ok - looks like something here.
[14:03] <silverarrow> is LSO cookies a trouble in Ubuntu?
[14:03] <silverarrow> are*
[14:03] <jdfoote> Started session 2530 with service 'lightdm', username 'username'
[14:03] <jdfoote> Session got 1 message from PAM
[14:03] <jdfoote> Prompt greeter
[14:03] <penguin42> jdfoote: Woah stop
[14:03] <jdfoote> Greeter start auth
[14:03] <silverarrow> I have scripts slowing down firefox, message popping up
[14:03] <jdfoote> Sorry
[14:03] <penguin42> jdfoote: Use pastebin to show us
[14:03] <jdfoote> Ok - is there a way to paste from a terminal session?
[14:03] <jdfoote> I'm just typing this on my other computer
[14:04] <penguin42> jdfoote: Yes, there is a program called pastebinit
[14:04] <silverarrow> yeah, I always forget how to use it
[14:06] <jdfoote> Ok - http://paste.ubuntu.com/1263889/
[14:08] <penguin42> jdfoote: I think it's trying to login with unity-2d that doesn't exist any more, can you try choosing a different session
[14:09] <jdfoote> penguin42: That makes sense, that's what I was using. I didn't see a place on the login screen to change that. Any idea where to change it?
[14:10] <penguin42> jdfoote: erm hang on, I don't have a convenient gdm setup
[14:11] <jdfoote> penguin42: Ok - thanks so much again
[14:11] <penguin42> jdfoote: Right, to the right of your name there should be a symbol, click on it then you should see a list
[14:12] <jdfoote> penguin42: I'm not seeing that. There's nothing but the name and the pw box
[14:12] <penguin42> jdfoote: Hmm, isn't there a unity/ubuntu symbol next to your name?
[14:13] <jdfoote> No
[14:13] <penguin42> oh - erm then I'm not quite sure what to do!
[14:16] <XVampireX> Here's a good question for all of you, what is the name of the browser, that keeps thinking it's from year 2000, thinks it's a mobile phone, and runs on KDE? :)
[14:16] <silverarrow> is anyone booted in quantal now?
[14:17] <XVampireX> uhm let me check... uhm, yes
[14:17] <XVampireX> but kubuntu
[14:17] <bazhang> silverarrow, whats the real question
[14:17] <XVampireX> (I joined this channel cause #kubuntu+1 doesn't exist)
[14:17] <XVampireX> bazhang is crazy
[14:17] <bazhang> XVampireX, lets stay on topic
[14:18] <XVampireX> (Told you)
[14:18] <XVampireX> OMG IT'S FREAKING ANNOYING
[14:18] <XVampireX> THAT'S THE SECOND TIME YOU KEEP TELLING ME THIS AFTER I ASKED A QUESTION
[14:18] <silverarrow> bazhang: can you make this test page play http://instantteleseminar.com/?eventid=34000689
[14:18] <bazhang> silverarrow, just a moment
[14:18] <XVampireX> That's great
[14:19] <bazhang> XVampireX, stop with the caps. stay on topic.
[14:19] <XVampireX> Sure
 Here's a good question for all of you, what is the name of the browser, that keeps thinking it's from year 2000, thinks it's a mobile phone, and runs on KDE? :)
[14:19] <penguin42> ok, that's half of it, now stay on topic
[14:19] <XVampireX> What's half of it?
[14:19] <bazhang> silverarrow, it loads; did you mean using the listen in? see if that works?
[14:20] <silverarrow> yes, sorry, you have to choose listen in to get to the player
[14:20] <bazhang> just a moment silverarrow
[14:20] <silverarrow> there should be a small player window there
[14:20] <XVampireX> Well for some reason there's a browser called rekonq that's version 1.1 and I keep having it loading pages as if I was on a mobile phone, also, when I look in browser identification, it gives me browsers from year 2000 (Well, maybe a bit later, but whatever you know what I mean)
[14:21] <penguin42> XVampireX: OK, that's better
[14:21] <silverarrow> i cannot make it play
[14:21] <penguin42> XVampireX: Tbh I don't have much luck with rekonq either
[14:21] <penguin42> XVampireX: Although to be fair it's less bad than konqueror
[14:22] <XVampireX> bazhang: Yesterday or the day before I also asked about kwin and wine and torchlight 2 game and you also told me to be on topic, well lets see I'm on 12.10 right now, I'm on an ubuntu variation, I tried joining #kubuntu+1 and that got me here, so what do you think I should do?
[14:22] <XVampireX> bazhang, that's what got me so angry
[14:22] <penguin42> XVampireX: Stop being angry, stop using capitals, and just ask the question straight rather than gaming about and people will help
[14:23] <bazhang> silverarrow, the web app did not play it, I had to dl the mp3 which played fine
[14:23] <silverarrow> yeah, odd, though
[14:23] <silverarrow> it should work
[14:23] <bazhang> dl was pretty fast, played in audactious
[14:23] <bazhang> -t
[14:23] <silverarrow> are you in totem or mplayer or..?
[14:24] <XVampireX> penguin42: I've got a bad tab habit, uhm, sometimes want to see some links that people send me without having to open up chromium or firefox :P
[14:24] <bazhang> the mplayer plugin would not play it
[14:24] <silverarrow> baxhang, hmm, missing plugin, or plugin not working
[14:24] <penguin42> XVampireX: Yeh so a while ago I did persuade KDE to use firefox rather than rekonq, and I need to persuade it to again, it's annoying with konsole opening rekonq when I click on a link
[14:24] <silverarrow> bazhang: sorry
[14:24] <bazhang> silverarrow, I have the plugins afaik, so just a site issue I suspect
[14:25] <silverarrow> could be
[14:25] <bazhang> th e download plays fine though, if that's your cup of tea :)
[14:25] <silverarrow> that site usually streams fine in windows, ubuntu usually to with some tweaking
[14:26] <bazhang> could be some issue yet to be resolved. perhaps once we have release and a few bug fixes
[14:26] <silverarrow> bazhang: the actual material is a bit alternative, but not easy to find  an available free stream right now
[14:27] <bazhang> sure
[14:27] <bazhang> just letting you know the technical issue I faced.
[14:27] <silverarrow> yes, thanks
[14:28] <silverarrow> download works here too, I had to install one
[14:28] <silverarrow> bazhang, when it is live I don`t think there are download option
[14:29] <bazhang> silverarrow, ok. perhaps try again when it is live
[14:30] <silverarrow> no, it is usually exactly the same as the stream, live or replay
[14:30] <silverarrow> it`s all right though, bazhang you confirmed the issue
[14:30] <bazhang> ok
[14:30] <silverarrow> I am on ppc and always wonder if it is ppc weirdness or not lol
[14:30] <silverarrow> or lubuntu or ubuntu
[14:31] <bazhang> nah
[14:31] <bazhang> it's their site
[14:31] <bazhang> !find downverter
[14:31] <silverarrow> like the nasty BankID I had yesterday
[14:31] <silverarrow> I even filed a bug report
[14:32] <gio60> hello
[14:32] <silverarrow> hi
[14:32] <bazhang> whats downverter
[14:32] <gio60> I would like to install   downverter    in ubuntu 12.10.     How to install?
[14:32] <bazhang> gio60, ^
[14:32] <silverarrow> bazhang: converting options, mp3 and other formats?
[14:33] <bazhang> gio60, whats downverter
[14:33] <bazhang> silverarrow, I meant gio60 's question
[14:34] <gio60> bazhang,   program where you can download and convert videos from YouTube
[14:34] <silverarrow> bazhang: odd your question is posted before gio60`s question on my screen
[14:34] <bazhang> silverarrow, yeah, I saw him, mispost in #ubuntu first
[14:34] <silverarrow> lol
[14:34] <bazhang> gio60, convert to what
[14:35] <bazhang> flv to mp4?
[14:35] <silverarrow> ok, psychic mode
[14:36] <bazhang> gio60, firefox has a plugin for that
[14:36] <gio60> firefox ?
[14:36] <bazhang> video download helper
[14:36] <silverarrow> yeah, downloadhelper I converts I think
[14:36] <bazhang> yes. it downloads youtube vids, then converts on the fly
[14:36] <bazhang> it does
[14:37] <silverarrow> I just installed it three minutes ago
[14:37] <bazhang> gio60, need the link?
[14:37] <gio60> bazhang,   I use chrome, firefox faster
[14:38] <bazhang> !info downverter | gio60
[14:38] <silverarrow> chrome probably have an equivalent though
[14:38] <bazhang> never used them, it's a google app
[14:39] <silverarrow> I have to go, it`s getting late and I have a flat tire on the backwheel
[14:39] <silverarrow> rarewheel ?
[14:40] <silverarrow> try #lubuntu, chrome is default there I think
[14:40] <silverarrow> I am on ppc right now, and firefox is the thing there
[14:40] <gio60> bazhang,   I enter firefox add-ons?
[14:41] <silverarrow> yes, tools-addon and search
[14:41] <gio60> ok
[14:41] <silverarrow> I`m off, see you later perhaps
[14:42] <silverarrow> :-)
[14:44] <bazhang> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/video-downloadhelper/  gio60
[14:44] <dan_a> I'm struggling with a wireless problem. RT3090 using a driver from a PPA works fine with Quantal and the kernel from Precise
[14:45] <penguin42> dan_a: Did it work OK in precise?
[14:45] <dan_a> Using the kernel from Quantal, wpa_supplicant can't talk to the driver
[14:45] <dan_a> penguin42: yes
[14:46] <penguin42> dan_a: Was that with the ppa on precise or just precise out of the box?
[14:47] <dan_a> penguin42: ppa, which I've been using since 10.10
[14:48] <dan_a> Can I do a bisect across kernels from different versions of Ubuntu?
[14:48] <dan_a> or is the best thing to test mainline 3.2 and 3.5 and bisect them?
[14:50] <penguin42> dan_a: is it still necessary to use the ppa version?
[14:54] <dan_a> penguin42: I think so
[14:56] <dan_a> Oh maybe not, rt2800 should support it. I'll give that a go...
[15:04] <dan_a> penguin42: Looks good so far - thank you!
[15:06] <penguin42> dan_a: good; the thing is with a ppa it would take some digging to know what it was meant to work with
[15:07] <RiXtEr> ok, so before I did a 'update-manager -d' i had my desktop on unity 2d, and now I can't login as that user... what file do I need to change under the username having problems?
[15:12] <penguin42> sigh, that sounds like the same problem as jdfoote had earlier
[15:12] <penguin42> RiXtEr: On the login manager, next to your name do you see an ubuntu/unity icon or other icon?
[15:13] <RiXtEr> I couldn't find it, I am assuming it should be in the same place as 12.03
[15:13] <RiXtEr> err 12.04 that is
[15:14] <penguin42> RiXtEr: Yeh same problem as the other guy
[15:14] <RiXtEr> any way to fix this?
[15:14] <penguin42> RiXtEr: not sure
[15:14] <RiXtEr> or where are the channel logs? I dont mind finding it if its there.
[15:15] <RiXtEr> I could download another WM and see if it shows then
[15:15] <penguin42> RiXtEr: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/10/06/%23ubuntu+1.txt    although th eother guy earlier today we didn't find a solution
[15:15] <RiXtEr> what is the lightest one available?
[15:16] <penguin42> desktop?
[15:16] <RiXtEr> window manager/desktop
[15:16] <RiXtEr> ;)
[15:16] <penguin42> RiXtEr: the xfwm one is pretty light, you could try installing xubuntu-desktop and see if it lets you select it
[15:17] <RiXtEr> brb
[15:17] <penguin42> RiXtEr: Ubuntu-3d should work
[15:18] <RiXtEr> sorry did you say something right before I left?
[15:18] <penguin42> RiXtEr: I wonder, have you got ubuntu-3d installed?
[15:18] <RiXtEr> fixed it
[15:18] <RiXtEr> well let me confirm
[15:18] <penguin42> how?
[15:19] <RiXtEr> nevermind... progress though.
[15:19] <penguin42> how - I'm interested for the next victim
[15:19] <RiXtEr> cp /usr/share/xsession/ubuntu.desktop /usr/share/xsession/ubuntu2d.desktop
[15:19] <RiXtEr> but
[15:20] <penguin42> yeuch :-)
[15:20] <RiXtEr> I now a completely blank desktop
[15:20] <RiXtEr> so...
[15:20] <RiXtEr> not fixed but I am getting somewhere
[15:25] <RiXtEr> penguin42, I will do more investigation on this but I need to go for nwo
[15:25] <RiXtEr> *now
[15:26] <toumbo> Software center on Quantal consumes too much ram. :/
[15:26] <penguin42> RiXtEr: Please report a bug and tell us the number
[15:26] <RiXtEr> and ctrl-alt-bkspace doesn't work now!?
[15:26] <RiXtEr> it didn't with 12.04 either though
[16:04] <RiXtEr> penguin42, ok, so i did a cp /usr/share/xsession/ubuntu.desktop /usr/share/xsession/ubuntu2d.desktop
[16:05] <penguin42> and did that work?
[16:05] <RiXtEr> then I edited the lines in /usr/share/xsession/ubuntu2d.desktop to read "Name=Ubuntu2d" and "Exec=gnome-session --session=ubuntu2d"
[16:05] <RiXtEr> then I tried to switch to the 2d session
[16:06] <RiXtEr> and it failed, but forced a logout
[16:06] <RiXtEr> so I switched to regular ubuntu and it worked.
[16:06] <penguin42> RiXtEr: how did you switch to regular ubuntu?
[16:06] <RiXtEr> I get the button now
[16:06] <penguin42> so you only get the button when you had two sessions?
[16:07] <RiXtEr> yes
[16:07] <penguin42> ok, can you bug report that?
[16:07] <RiXtEr> presumably another WM/desktop would work
[16:07] <RiXtEr> also, now I have removed the ubuntu2d.desktop and restarted lightdm
[16:08] <RiXtEr> and now I can login fine (without the button)
[16:08] <RiXtEr> so there is a default being set under the users home dir that needs fixed
[16:08] <penguin42> RiXtEr: Well, also the lightdm greeter needs to do something more sensible if the current setting no longer exists
[16:12] <RiXtEr> I think lightdm isn't the culprit
[16:12] <RiXtEr> it hands off the session correctly
[16:12] <RiXtEr> but then unity2d doesnt exist, so it drops back to the login screen
[16:14] <penguin42> RiXtEr: Well it should just switch you back to the top of the list rather than logging you out with no explanation - or at least tell you
[16:27] <penguin42> RiXtEr: Or at least allow you to switch it
[17:19] <penguin42> anyone else seeing the mouse cursor rather jumpy in kvm guests in +1 ?
[18:43] <rymate1234> How do I get my ati video card audio working in ubuntu 12.10?
[18:43] <silverarrow> I`m not sure you do
[18:44] <silverarrow> how old is it?
[18:44] <silverarrow> with the radeon driver they have to fix something with kernel and xorg I think,
[18:44] <rymate1234> got my laptop a couple years ago
[18:44] <rymate1234> on;ly just got a hdmi cable D:
[18:45] <silverarrow> then there should be restricted drivers for your card I think
[18:45] <silverarrow> those are good for screen connections
[18:45] <silverarrow> and tv
[18:45] <rymate1234> well
[18:46] <rymate1234> thta miht be a problem
[18:46] <rymate1234> as fglrx doesn't currently support 12.10
[18:46] <rymate1234> :(
[18:46] <silverarrow> well, it has to on the final release
[18:47] <silverarrow> or it will be a major bummer for ubuntu
[18:47] <rymate1234> ye
[18:48] <silverarrow> graphics drivers should be well supported on newer cards
[18:48] <silverarrow> like yours
[18:49] <silverarrow> not so sure on 6-7 year old gards
[18:49] <silverarrow> cards*
[18:49] <silverarrow> but open radeon is good
[18:50] <silverarrow> problem right now is kernel, xorg
[18:50] <rymate1234> Mine's newish
[18:50] <rymate1234> but shit
[18:50] <rymate1234> its a 4250
[18:51] <silverarrow> back in a few minutes, have to catch the store before it closes
[19:05] <silverarrow> rymate1234:  4250 is problematic ?
[19:08] <silverarrow> mine is a 9550
[19:09] <silverarrow> with added powerpc weirdness
[19:13] <rymate1234> hey
[19:13] <rymate1234> simple question
[19:13] <rymate1234> How to get a battery indicator in xfce
[19:14] <silverarrow> not sure, but in lxde you have to retrieve it
[19:14] <rymate1234> ok
[19:14]  * rymate1234 looks up
[19:15] <silverarrow> ...by double clicking on the taskbar there is a "add/remove items" funtion
[19:15] <silverarrow> not sure about xfce, a while since I used it
[19:15] <silverarrow> that is the one with the mouse ?
[19:15] <rymate1234> nvm
[19:15] <rymate1234> it wasn't installed
[19:16] <silverarrow> yeah, I remember now, xfce has packages listed in package manager
[19:20] <rymate1234> xfce + compiz = win
[19:28] <ArcaneWater> Hello, any idea why 12.10 is does not recognize thath i already have windows installed on? And it just gives me to format disc? It say there were no os detected.
[19:31] <ArcaneWater> Or is there maybe problem because LiLi is not recognizing 12.10 yet when creating usb
[19:32] <silverarrow> oh
[19:33] <silverarrow> I had 12.04 installed and it was detected, I haven`t tried on my windows computer yet
[19:34] <ArcaneWater> And you made it with LiLi? Actualy my first os is windows
[19:35] <silverarrow> LiLi?
[19:35] <silverarrow> no, CD
[19:35] <silverarrow> sorry, I was a bit slow there
[19:36] <silverarrow> I burned DVD acutally
[19:36] <ArcaneWater> Seems LiLi has problems
[19:38] <silverarrow> I have had such a mess with usb install in the past, so I stick to CD/DVD when I can
[20:12] <ls612> Is it still intended to have the alx ethernet driver in the kernel for 12.10 release?
[20:12] <ls612> 	because it isn't there in Beta 2.
[20:19] <trism> ls612: it is still not in linux-next so I kind of doubt it will be
[20:21] <ls612> *goes and throws something* great. How long is enough for QA testing. It doesn't help that my wireless card is also not supported, so I have no way of even manually installing the driver.
[20:25] <trism> ls612: if you stick with precise for a while though it is supposed to be available in linux-backports-modules-cw-3.4-precise-generic
[20:26] <ls612> But I can't use precise either because neither my wired ethernet nor my wireless card is supported, so I have no way of getting the headers necessary for manually installing the driver.
[20:26] <ls612> So I'm stuck with only Win7
[20:27] <silverarrow> are you sure wired is not working?
[20:27] <silverarrow> surprising
[20:27] <silverarrow> and weird
[20:28] <trism> ls612: you shouldn't need headers, if you find the version for your kernel on packages.ubuntu.com it should contain already built modules
[20:28] <ls612> silverarrow: Yes, I have the Atheros AR8161 combined Bluetooth/Ethernet adapter, and it will only work with the alx driver.
[20:29] <trism> ls612: for instance, the latest kernel version is: http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise-updates/linux-backports-modules-cw-3.4-3.2.0-31-generic just download the deb and dpkg -i on the system
[20:30] <trism> ls612: otherwise just fiddle with the -31-generic section to match uname -r
[20:35] <ls612> trism: so do I just d/l that package in windows and then open it in the Precise package manager?
[20:36] <trism> ls612: yep
[20:36] <trism> ls612: use sudo dpkg -i package_name.deb; though, software-center apparently complains
[20:37] <trism> ls612: again though, make sure you check uname -r first so you select the correct version
[20:37] <silverarrow> I tried that on b43 drivers, and you need cutter and what not to make them extract
[20:37] <trism> this package is just a set of kernel modules so it should work fine
[20:37] <silverarrow> horror if you can`t get wired right away
[20:37] <silverarrow> good
[20:38] <ls612> Thanks guys!
[20:44] <bjsnider> it's really hard to believe there isn't a better solution to that problem, like a usb dongle, for example, or a pci-x1 card etc.
[20:47] <silverarrow> do you remember the name of the cleaner? clorex something almost
[20:47] <silverarrow> I mean, sort of like CCcleaner
[20:48] <silverarrow> I am googeling, but can`t hit upon the right name
[20:49] <silverarrow> BleachBit
[20:49] <silverarrow> !!
[23:03] <myk_robinson> afternoon.
[23:04] <myk_robinson> Playing with Ubuntu on my laptop, connected to my 32" tv via hdmi. How can I set a default screen for applications to launch on? Some things open on my laptop, others open up on the TV. I have the TV set as an extension, so I can play with my laptop while my daughter watches a movie.
[23:28] <cowsquad> I have a question guys. I have 4gb memory but ubuntu only show 2.8 on the system Details, why is that? I have ubuntu 64 bit
[23:29] <keithclark> I don't seem to be able to log in into any other desktop environment except Xubuntu now.  No matter what I select while logging in I get Xubuntu.  Any fix to this or is it just my system that is toast?
[23:30] <keithclark> cowsquad, What is your physical RAM like?  4 x 1 GB?
[23:31] <cowsquad> keithclark, I dont get your question I have 4gb
[23:31] <keithclark> cowsquad, 4 sticks of 1 GB?  2 sticks of 4 GB ?
[23:31] <keithclark> Sorry, 2 sticks of 2 GB
[23:31] <cowsquad> 2 sticks of 2 = 4 gb
[23:31] <penguin42> cowsquad: Does the BIOS show all 4GB ?
[23:32] <cowsquad> i havent checked that. How do I do that
[23:32] <cowsquad> if i run top on terminal, it show only 2.8
[23:33] <penguin42> cowsquad: That depends on the machine, they normally show the amount of RAM when you start up, or boot into setup
[23:33] <penguin42> cowsquad: Can you get the output of the command sudo dmidecode into something we can see - like a pastebin?
[23:33] <bandit-led> gnome-panel cant add system monitor any ideas?
[23:33] <cowsquad> penguin42, give me a second
[23:36] <ls612> I was trying to install a compat wireless package on 12.04.1, and it gave me an error saying that I was missing the dependency "linux-image-3.2.0-31-generic". Is there a different version of that for 12.04.1?
[23:36] <cowsquad> penguin42, there you go http://pastebin.com/V52XShkW
[23:37] <bandit-led> ls612,  you need to ask in ubuntu not ubuntu+1 this channel is for pre releases
[23:37] <trism> ls612: as I said earlier you need to check uname -r so you can find the right -number-generic version
[23:37] <cowsquad> ls612 this is ubuntu quetzal channel. Go to #ubuntu for 12.04
[23:37] <penguin42> cowsquad: Thanks
[23:38] <ls612> sorry.
[23:38] <trism> ls612: hop over to #ubuntu and send me uname -r and I'll find you the proper link
[23:38] <cowsquad> Dont worry ls612, They gonna give you more help
[23:39] <bandit-led> well we hope so any way
[23:39] <penguin42> cowsquad: According to that the Bios thinks the 2nd dimm is 1GB
[23:39] <silverarrow> hi
[23:40] <cowsquad> where in the log you read that?
[23:40] <penguin42> cowsquad: See the bit about dimm2
[23:40] <penguin42> cowsquad: DIMM0 says 2048MB, DIMM2 says 1024MB
[23:40] <silverarrow> do you have problems with scrips running in Firefox? I suspect some kind of nasty cookies or worms, but how do you deal with them in Ubuntu. I don`t have Adobe Flash, but I have Gnash
[23:41] <cowsquad> penguin42, hold on. Ill get back to you in a bit
[23:42] <bandit-led> silverarrow, some times you get a script that was just written wrong that can hang then a box pops up asking if you want to keep running that script
[23:42] <bandit-led> silverarrow, you can also look at no-script which is always a good idea and or flashblock as well
[23:43] <bandit-led> they are ff addons that can speed up or stop some nasties
[23:43] <cowsquad> penguin42, I found it. My questions is. Is there a way to fix this?
[23:44] <silverarrow> bandit-led: yes, but it happens all the time now, and a loooong time before the choice to abort it pops up
[23:44] <bandit-led> silverarrow, and https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/flashblock/
[23:44] <silverarrow> cool
[23:44] <silverarrow> thanks
[23:44] <bandit-led> silverarrow, it should be a certain site that doing that it could also be gbash
[23:44] <bandit-led> gnash'
[23:45] <penguin42> cowsquad: OK, first go back and check what the bios thinks before Ubuntu boots, dmidecode just takes data straight from the BIOS, so if the BIOS really thinks there is a 2GB+1GB then it's unlikely you'll get any further
[23:46] <cowsquad> okay, Ill be back soon
[23:46] <silverarrow> is ebay a bad guy?
[23:46] <penguin42> cowsquad: I have the A100
[23:46] <penguin42> cowsquad: On the A100 the hardware can't cope with more than 3GB
[23:47] <bandit-led> silverarrow, i use ebay so i would say no
[23:49] <cowsquad> penguin I was reading about the motherboard system graphics taking some ram
[23:50] <penguin42> cowsquad: That's normally only 100-200MB
[23:50] <penguin42> cowsquad: If that
[23:50] <silverarrow> here is the script  http://s0.2mdn.net/879366/inpageGlobalTemplate_v2_71_03.js:71
[23:50] <bandit-led> any one seeing screen artifacts at login?
[23:50] <silverarrow> I have never had script issues in ubuntu before
[23:50] <penguin42> cowsquad: My machine shows 3016 MB in free with 3GB (i.e. 3072) physical
[23:51] <bandit-led> silverarrow, you can have script issues with windows and linux its a site issue usually not the os
[23:51] <cowsquad> but my toshiba came with that memory. I havent change anything?
[23:51] <bandit-led> silverarrow, or a build issue of firefox
[23:51] <silverarrow> yeah, cookie thing right?
[23:51] <silverarrow> oh
[23:52] <penguin42> cowsquad: OK fine, in that case just check what the bios thinks in terms of the RAM it has, and go forward
[23:52] <bandit-led> cookie just store information on your computer not really an issue unless you disbale them when they are needed
[23:52] <cowsquad> penguin42, Ill check the bios, and Ill get back to you
[23:52] <bandit-led> cookies'
[23:53] <silverarrow> bandit-led: I have hadmajor  script issues with LSO cookies in windows
[23:53] <silverarrow> they really run scrips
[23:53] <silverarrow> sorry about the typos