[00:05] <jbicha> actually that didn't exactly work w/ accounsservice; I don't know, it seemed like debuild was ignoring ubuntu.series
[00:06] <jbicha> anyway I uploaded it
[00:09] <darkxst> ok
[00:10] <jbicha> it worked in sbuild but not with debuild -S
[00:12] <darkxst> I though debuild picked up ubuntu.series when I was testing
[00:14] <darkxst> jbicha, metacity is not loading here for gnome classic sessions
[00:20] <jbicha> darkxst: are you sure you're not running Compiz? bug 1062099
[00:20] <jbicha> and bug  bug 1036752
[00:20] <jbicha> first bug is fixed, I guess the second one may still be broken for quantal release
[00:34] <darkxst> ah ok
[00:47] <darkxst> so basically it wont work even when compiz is installed?
[00:53] <jbicha> GNOME Classic (with effects) is broken :(
[00:53] <jbicha> that should be a critical bug for Edubuntu, but Edubuntu is more or less recommending that schools really ought to stay with 12.04
[00:53] <jbicha> llvmpipe/dropping Unity 2D is also causing issues for LTSP
[00:54] <jbicha> it turns out compiz isn't really that big of a file size addition but I think just shipping GNOME Classic w/ Metacity is more than adequate for our needs
[01:17] <darkxst> well yeh, perhaps we should remove the broken one from session list?
[01:22] <jbicha> hmm...my instinct was to say it's too late for quantal but on second thought...
[01:22] <jbicha> anyway, logging off for the night
[03:03] <DangerM> Hiya - anyone about at all ?
[13:54] <smartboyhw> Hey jbicha
[13:56] <jbicha> hi
[13:56] <DangerM> Hi jbicha - just started using Gnome Remix - joined the group on launchpad
[13:56] <DangerM> Is there anything you needed help with
[13:56] <smartboyhw> :D
[14:01] <jbicha> DangerM: well the release is coming quite soon, so reporting & fixing bugs is our priority
[14:01] <DangerM> Ok cool (I'm DangerMouseUK/DangerMouse on forum/launchpad respectively)
[14:01] <DangerM> I think the auto-login bug is a bit of a showstopper
[14:02] <DangerM> Had to edit /etc/gdm/custom.conf manually to get my login screen back
[14:02] <jbicha> DangerM: darkxst already has a fix for that, I just haven't finished reviewing it yet
[14:03] <DangerM> Ah cool that's the only thing so far that I've noticed and I've been using it for 3-4 days now
[14:04] <DangerM> Had another problem with the window manager/compiz not working properly but I added some PPAs and it went away
[14:07] <jbicha> I think the compiz problem was a combination of bug 1062099 and bug 1036752
[14:07] <jbicha> GNOME Shell doesn't use compiz you know, it's just Unity that does (or optionally, GNOME Classic)
[14:24] <DangerM> Yeah I'm currently using Gnome Classic + Compiz
[14:24] <DangerM> Thats my preferred setup :)
[14:25] <DangerM> I will make the move to the newer interface I'm just dragging my feet for as long as I can
[14:28] <jbicha> DangerM: are you familiar with gnome-shell-extensions?
[14:29] <DangerM> jbicha : yes I am - they go some way to mitigating the cross-over
[14:30] <DangerM> but I still prefer the classic look, haven't quite got stuck into the search for everything
[14:30] <DangerM> sort of thing - I just like having menus with programs on them and going to find them
[14:31] <DangerM> Unless there's an extension I'm missing that does that
[14:32] <jbicha> that's why I brought it up: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/6/applications-menu/
[14:35] <jbicha> there's another one for a places menu but it's a little broken on my computer
[14:37] <DangerM> Oh that looks quite nice actually - might give it a go and see where I get
[14:37] <DangerM> Whilst I've got you here, I've got three gnome3 PPA's on my install
[14:38] <DangerM> ppa:gnome3-team/gnome3 + a staging and testing ppa (forgot exact names for those)
[14:38] <DangerM> is that a non-recommended setup
[14:42] <jbicha> DangerM: I don't recommend you use testing or staging; testing is for the latest git snapshots; staging is for "riskier" stuff
[14:43] <DangerM> Ok I will ppa-purge both of them then - so far everything seems stable enough, no complaints but I'd rather have it running in recommended format
[14:43] <jbicha> the gnome3 ppa should be fairly safe; it's not necessary but it's nice if you want more of the latest stable GNOME
[14:44] <jbicha> I consider the gnome3 ppa to be pretty much supported although there may be good reason Ubuntu held back from upgrading certain components
[14:48] <DangerM> Oh ok cool, well I'll keep that one then and just purge the other two - I noticed in Fedora that my fingerprint stuff worked out of the box and it doesn't with Ubuntu Gnome - is that an Ubuntu thing ?
[14:51] <DangerM> The implementation seemed a bit broken in Fedora so I haven't made the jump to install it just yet anyway
[15:00] <ricotz> jbicha, don't scare my ppa users ;P
[15:00] <smartboyhw> lol
[15:05] <DangerM> lol ricotz
[15:05] <DangerM> I have had no problems so far with either PPA
[15:08] <jbicha> ricotz: well I don't like the idea of backporting development git snapshots to users of the current stable release
[15:09] <jbicha> I'd prefer it if you kept GNOME 3.6 to quantal
[15:09] <jbicha> your work *is* useful for developers and those who want to test things before they land
[15:09] <ricotz> jbicha, ok, this means you don't like the half of all ppa out there ;)
[15:09] <smartboyhw> LOL
[15:10] <ricotz> jbicha, no everyone likes do run ubuntu+1
[15:10] <ricotz> *not
[15:11] <ricotz> daily/snapshot build ppas arent restricted to the currently development release, and so it my testing ppa
[15:11] <jbicha> sure, I only like a few ppas, I only have 2 enabled at the moment
[15:11] <ricotz> but yeah not everyone should use it before thinking about it
[15:12] <ricotz> especially the staging one
[15:12] <ricotz> i see ;), i like ppa a lot, but i guess i only enabled those i am maintaining/co-maintaining
[15:13] <jbicha> see, you don't trust other people's ppas either ;)
[15:14] <jbicha> actually since I use ubuntu+1, there's not many ppas's I need anyway
[15:14] <ricotz> oh, i trust the mozilla team
[15:15]  * smartboyhw trusts the almighty mozilla team too
[15:15] <ricotz> jbicha, you wouldnt believe how outdate quantal already is in some points ;)
[15:28] <jbicha> right, I like the mozilla ppa's, the LibreOffice ppa that you work on (although I wish it would use the mozilla ppa naming convention), & the GNOME3 PPA as examples
[15:28] <jbicha> it's about trusting the maintainers to know what they're doing
[19:04] <jbicha> darkxst: just did an install without the slideshow installed, it works fine but I filed bug 1062975
[19:05] <jbicha> everaldo: ^ maybe we should do a conservative one-page slideshow??
[19:12] <everaldo> jbicha, yes
[19:13] <everaldo> jbicha, can we ship it just in english?
[19:14] <jbicha> I'm not sure exactly what we should do
[19:14] <jbicha> 1. We could ship without a slideshow (what the build script is currently set to do)
[19:15] <jbicha> 2. We could do a simple one-page slideshow, maybe with a short title, maybe without that
[19:16] <jbicha> 3. Or we could do a full slideshow...but I really don't think we have time for this
[19:16] <everaldo> Ok, I will make two branches, one with one slide and another with a full one
[19:16] <darkxst> jbicha, what do you think of this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-session/+bug/1057841
[19:17] <everaldo> jbicha, so tomorow you guys can choose which one to use
[19:17] <darkxst> is it too late to fix?
[19:19] <jbicha> darkxst: it's not too late but it depends on how complicated it is to fix
[19:20] <darkxst> re slideshow, I think we could just make a simple slideshow with 4-5 screenshots that showcase gnome-shell (and you could probably get away with no text)
[19:20] <jbicha> yeah, the text is the big problem
[19:20] <darkxst> jbicha, gnome-screensaver needs to be patched to handle switch user stuff via dbus or libgdm
[19:21] <darkxst> since gdmflexiserver is no more
[19:22] <darkxst> if we are careful with screenshots, we shouldnt need any text
[19:22] <everaldo> well, we still have the headers to translate but it can be only english or just a few translations
[19:22] <jbicha> darkxst: ok, well if we get a reasonable patch, I can help get it in, even if it requires an SRU
[19:23] <darkxst> and I wouldnt worry about the fast-user switching in indicator session,
[19:23] <everaldo> jbicha, darkxst, "Welcome to Ubuntu GNOME 12.10" or "Welcome to Ubuntu GNOME Remix 12.10" ?
[19:23] <darkxst> clicking a name should get the login dialog with a "switch user" button
[19:23] <everaldo> right now it is "Welcome to Ubuntu GNOME 12.10"
[19:24] <darkxst> everaldo, surely we can translate that with sed?
[19:25] <darkxst> sed s/Ubuntu/Ubuntu GNOME/ in *.po
[19:26] <everaldo> darkxst, yes, we can but I just wanna know if we will use the word "Remix" for distro name
[19:26] <everaldo> I mean, Ubuntu GNOME or Ubuntu GNOME Remix
[20:26] <jbicha> darkxst: hey, how many git patches are in your fix for bug 1061993?
[20:26] <jbicha> could you just attach the separate git patches we need instead of merging them into one patch?
[20:29] <darkxst> jbicha, yes can do
[20:34] <everaldo> what bg looks better http://imagebin.org/231129
[20:34] <everaldo> or http://imagebin.org/231130
[20:34] <everaldo> ?
[20:35] <jbicha> darkxst: thanks, that makes it slightly simpler to review and then remove when the next gdm version is released
[20:37] <gonyere> everaldo: i like #2
[20:38] <everaldo> gonyere, I like #1 but #2 looks to be more close to GNOME since gnome.org main page uses a image like #2
[20:38] <gonyere> yeah, thats my feeling as well
[20:38] <gonyere> #1 is just a bit too dark
[20:38] <gonyere> honestly, something inbetween might be better
[20:40] <jbicha> everaldo: what about bright-day.jpg then?
[20:41] <everaldo> let me make one shot with it
[20:42] <everaldo> I have three version
[20:42] <everaldo> versions
[20:44] <everaldo> humm, bright-day is like #2 because I am cutting
[20:44] <everaldo> let me fix the way how I cut the original image
[20:46] <everaldo> jbicha, http://imagebin.org/231131
[20:50] <darkxst> jbicha, https://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/ubuntu/quantal/gdm/fix-lp1061993
[20:51] <gonyere> is that the original?
[20:51] <gonyere> i like it :)
[20:51] <everaldo> gonyere, the image?
[20:51] <gonyere> yeah
[20:51] <everaldo> yes, it is original
[20:52] <everaldo> theres three original backgrounds
[20:52] <everaldo> gonyere, look at /usr/share/themes/Adwaita/backgrounds
[20:53] <everaldo> we just need to find a good icon to put on the right side since first image don't use screenshot
[20:53] <gonyere> are we looking for a gnome icon?
[20:54] <everaldo> don't if we are allowed to
[20:54] <everaldo> maybe accessivility icon like gnome.org
[20:56] <gonyere> https://live.gnome.org/BrandGuidelines has official gnome images
[20:59] <everaldo> This page contains source images for the GNOME logo. These can be used in relation to genuine GNOME project activities, including the design of merchandising and marketing materials.
[20:59] <everaldo> The images included here should be used as provided and should not be modified in any way.
[21:05] <jbicha> darkxst: more specifically, what I'm looking for is: if you go to http://git.gnome.org/browse/gdm/commit/?h=gnome-3-6&id=571ea34ff6
[21:05] <jbicha> and click patch
[21:06] <jbicha> that gives you the already formatted patch, and it's relatively easy to compare what patches we've applied with what is in the git commit log
[21:06] <darkxst> jbicha, they don't apply
[21:06] <jbicha> oh
[21:06] <darkxst> debbuild give messages about no fuzz
[21:06] <darkxst> allowed or something
[21:07] <jbicha> well could you at least preserve the headers so it's more obvious where the patch came from?
[21:08] <jbicha> everaldo: I'm sorry, what do you need an icon for?
[21:08] <darkxst> jbicha ok
[21:11] <everaldo> jbicha, the right side of this first slide is empty, on Ubuntu we have an image... and origami I think
[21:12] <everaldo> we must fill this right side with something (or not ;-)
[21:12] <jbicha> that's the code name mascot, I don't think we need to fill that space w/ anything
[21:15] <everaldo> jbicha, GNOME Remix includes shotwell by default?
[21:18] <jbicha> everaldo: yes
[21:19] <darkxst> jbicha, like this? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~darkxst/ubuntu/quantal/gdm/fix-lp1061993/revision/270
[21:19] <jbicha> everaldo: try this, it's slightly out-dated http://bicha.net/ubuntu-gnome-remix/quantal-ubuntu-gnome-i386-20120927.manifest
[21:21] <everaldo> nice, thanks
[21:21] <everaldo> it is included
[21:22] <everaldo> so maybe we can keep the shotwell slide and just change the screenshot like I did with music slide (rhythmbox)
[21:29] <everaldo> and this is how other slide looks like: http://imagebin.org/231134
[21:35] <jbicha> darkxst: thanks so much! I've uploaded now, apologies for the delay in reviewing
[21:36] <everaldo> ok, let me commit some place so you guys can test and help decide what to include or not
[21:42] <everaldo> jbicha, gonyere, https://code.launchpad.net/~ecanuto/ubuntu/quantal/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ubuntu-gnome
[21:42] <everaldo> to test just type ./test-slideshow.sh ubuntu-gnome
[21:43] <everaldo> we can replace the ubuntu related slides but text can't be translated later
[21:49] <jbicha> everaldo: it has a bunch of Ubuntu-specific slides still
[21:49] <everaldo> jbicha, yes, I know
[21:50] <everaldo> jbicha, if we are going to make slides available in english I will replace
[21:50] <everaldo> but if we are going to go with only one or two
[21:50] <everaldo> then I will remove them
[21:51] <jbicha> at this point, I want as little stuff needing translation as possible
[21:52] <jbicha> final language packs (pre-release) will be generated Tuesday morning...which gives 0 time for translation
[21:54] <everaldo> jbicha, so, I will keep the name as "Ubuntu 12.10" (without GNOME) so we will be nice with welcome message. Then replace all slide that is common only changing images and all other slides will be remove or replace to screenshot only without image
[21:55] <everaldo> jbicha, is that ok for you?
[21:55] <jbicha> yeah, let's see what that looks like
[22:11] <everaldo> humm, I don't see any translation, theres a folder with .po but all languages is in english
[22:11] <everaldo> maybe translations is not uploaded yet?
[22:13] <jbicha> everaldo: po/ubuntu/ has lots of different languages
[22:14] <everaldo> jbicha, yes, but on ubiquity all po files are in english
[22:14] <everaldo> did you know if ubiquity really show slides in different languages?
[22:16] <jbicha> everaldo: you've never tried installing Ubuntu in a different language?
[22:16] <everaldo> jbicha, no :)
[22:17] <everaldo> what is really weird since I am brazillian :)
[22:19] <everaldo> found translations
[22:19] <darkxst> everaldo, some translations are incomplete,
[22:32] <darkxst> anyway my suggestion would be to keep the first slide, then for the other slides just have screenshots taking up the whole window
[22:33] <darkxst> then you could have screenshots that are self-explanatory without any text
[22:41] <everaldo> darkxst, is what I am doing right now
[22:41] <everaldo> darkxst, but to be honest, I don't see any reason to don't ship text without translation
[22:42] <everaldo> even ubuntu and kubuntu are not 100% translated in all available languages
[22:42] <everaldo> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/quantal/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+pots/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[22:52] <jbicha> everaldo: that would be fine if we were before User Interface Freeze
[23:01] <everaldo> well, looks like screenshots and icons only could be nice too
[23:02] <jbicha> logging off for the evening
[23:34] <DangerM> howdy all
[23:34] <DangerM> back again