[15:11] <len-dt> holstein, just looking at the LMMS docs... It looks to me like there is no way of directly recording audio tracks.
[15:11] <len-dt> It seems to suggest that audio tracks/samples are recorded with another application like audacity and imported
[15:12] <holstein> len-dt: i *totally* agree with your latest email
[15:12]  * smartboyhw agrees too
[15:12] <holstein> i dont mind when time allows to test whatever to get it working
[15:13] <len-dt> It would seem to me that having to record vocals separately in another app is not that novice friendly...
[15:13] <holstein> ive got something like 10 shows a week for the next few weeks, but i have time in between them near internet
[15:14] <holstein> len-dt: ive never thought it was "friendly".. i think it looks friendly
[15:14] <smartboyhw> holstein, len-dt want to do that open week session eh?
[15:14] <holstein> its drag and drop-ish. and kind of has the feel of that ap everyone misses... is it acid?
[15:15] <len-dt> I guess I am a play it from start to finish kind of person...
[15:15] <smartboyhw> lol
[15:15] <len-dt> No two verses are exacly the same in feel.
[15:16] <holstein> yeah... i dont need this tool either, but i dont want it cause it crashes with JACK
[15:16] <len-dt> Even the chorus tends to vary 
[15:16] <holstein> if thats not the case, then toss it in
[15:17] <holstein> len-dt: i thought there was an lmms dev in the #opensourcemusicians channel.. someone fired up about makin it stable
[15:18]  * smartboyhw finds that his question has been ignored:`(
[15:18] <holstein> smartboyhw: im just going to sneak in whatever testing when i can
[15:18] <smartboyhw> holstein, good.....but not THAT question:D
[15:18] <holstein> i did an open week presentation once though... it was great
[15:18] <holstein> good times :)
[15:18] <len-dt> smartboyhw, The word "week" scares me.
[15:19] <smartboyhw> len-dt, no no no
[15:19] <smartboyhw> len-dt, just a session of 1 hour talking about Ubuntu Studio in #ubuntu-classroom
[15:19] <len-dt> My spare time is a lot less now than it has been... and scheduling anything has become very hard.
[15:20] <smartboyhw> around 23rd and 24th
[15:20] <holstein> yeah, im slammed til november.. then im out of town twice
[15:20] <smartboyhw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek I think
[15:20] <smartboyhw> oops 24th and 25th:D
[15:21] <len-dt> smartboyhw, I'll look later
[15:21] <smartboyhw> len-dt, thx
[15:21] <smartboyhw> I am not going to do it, I got a full Ubuntu QA session to take care of:D
[15:22] <smartboyhw> it = Ubuntu Studio session
[15:22] <len-dt> holstein, I get the idea that LMMS is a computer version of those keyboards that have beat boxes and extensive record edit stuff.
[15:23] <holstein> len-dt: maybe.. it looks a lot like that application. i think its acid.. i saw a friend use it in windows
[15:23] <len-dt> Generally nothing that would be used on stage.
[15:23] <len-dt> (the extra controls would get in the way)
[15:23] <holstein> you could drag/drop samples into a timeline, and the "edges" would get cleaned up automatically, and the sample would get sized to fit
[15:24] <holstein> you could record yourself doing *anything* for a measure or 2, even somewhat in time, and the software just made it magically sound tolerable
[15:25] <len-dt> Interesting.
[15:25] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:26] <holstein> that was years ago as well... like 2005-ish? i bet it does more now
[15:27] <len-dt> By Sony?
[15:27] <holstein> im going to keep looking, but i think sony acid was the one http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/acidsoftware
[15:27] <holstein> lemme google some screenies.. i think i would recognize it
[15:28] <smartboyhw> len-dt, btw how is that SRU going for the no help fix?
[15:28] <holstein> that looks like it... same kind of "toy-ish" look and feel
[15:31] <len-dt> You too can sound like [insert fav boy band here]
[15:31] <holstein> lol.. right?
[15:32] <len-dt> Sometimes creative people start in strange places.
[15:32] <holstein> and you can... iirc, there was some reverb already on the master bus (not that it was called master bus)
[15:39] <smartboyhw> :D
[15:43] <smartboyhw> bye holstein and len-dt 
[15:43] <len-dt> holstein, acid claims it does everything, multitrack recording to midi. Is it standard windows practice that you give the application vendor personal info before it will run?
[15:43]  * holstein shrugs... maybe
[15:44] <len-dt> -10
[15:53] <len-dt> holstein, in any case there is nothing else I have seen that supports that much automation as LMMS does. It is funny, there was a shareware sequencer I used on my old atari mega 2 that I really liked. I have seen nothing like it since.
[15:56] <len-dt> It was very basic in some ways, but it did the basics very well. It had the most solid time base of anything at the time too.
[16:03] <holstein> len-dt: theres a need for sure... something "simple" and maybe something that does everything on its own and doesnt use or need to use JACK
[22:22] <ailo> len-dt: holstein lmms has not been updated for a while
[22:23] <ailo> The fact that you can't record with it is not a deal breaker for me. It's still good for making electronic music
[22:23] <ailo> It can import fruity loops projects
[22:23] <ailo> Don't know what the updated version can do
[22:24] <ailo> On another matter. I was helping a friend install 12.10
[22:24] <ailo> It never even crossed my mind to keep the open source ATI graphic drivers
[22:24] <ailo> Even though they work well with the desktop
[22:25] <ailo> We installed wine, and steam. No problem running HL2
[22:25] <ailo> fglrx on the other hand, I couldn't get working, and info on the net was sparse
[23:01] <len-dt> ailo, lmms has not been updated in a while means lmms itself or the debian project or ubuntu?