[00:51] <falktx_> ailo: lmms *can't* import fls projects
[00:51] <falktx_> it could import fls6 projects barely some time ago, long time ago
[00:51] <falktx_> fl studio is now at version 10, since a long time too
[00:52] <falktx_> so, it can import very old files barely and in a broken way, but that's not useful at all (I think)
[01:05] <falktx_> it's not my right to say this, but I believe lmms devs lost interest on it
[04:21] <holstein> is acid the same as frootyloops?
[12:20] <ailo> falktx: That was the impression I got too, that it wouldn't import newer project files. So, perhaps not so useful than.
[12:21] <ailo> len-dt: I meant the package, but read later that you already mentioned this in your email
[12:21] <ailo> There seems to be one update a year approximately, to the orig source
[12:22] <ailo> And as falktx said, not that much has happened the last couple of years
[12:26] <ailo> holstein: I only know that Fruity Loops changed into FL Studio (Fruity Loops studio)
[12:32] <falktx> ailo: I was referring to upstream, the actual lmms devs don't seem to have interest on their own project
[12:33] <falktx> the last 0.4.13 release is mostly outside patches
[12:40] <ailo> falktx: That was what I was referring to as well
[12:40] <ailo> Not that much has happened the two last years
[12:42] <ailo> len-dt: holstein I still think it has a nice instrument interface, and just the fact that it works without jack makes it unique
[12:42] <ailo> Even if considered a toy, which is not much updatede
[13:52] <holstein> ailo: i think the jack part needs to be disabled or removed... just clean it up as is
[13:52] <smartboyhw> :D
[14:33] <len-dt> holstein, has someone verified that the jack part has problems still?
[14:33] <len-dt> Jack would allow the use of a FW device.
[14:34] <len-dt> It seems better that LMMS ->pulse->jack anyway.
[14:35] <smartboyhw> !
[14:35] <smartboyhw> len-dt, want to have a go at the post-installation testcase?:D
[14:36]  * len-dt thinks it may be a good idea to see if using pulse in between is still better too.
[14:36] <len-dt> smartboyhw, it will be sometime next cycle.
[14:36] <smartboyhw> len-dt, what?
[14:36] <len-dt> this cycle we are done
[14:36] <len-dt> testing LMMS.
[14:37] <smartboyhw> len-dt, no no no not about LMMS...........
[14:37] <smartboyhw> You don't want to edit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/QuantalTestcaseUpdates/UbuntuStudioTestcase ?
[14:37] <len-dt> ISO testing is really hard for me right now because my machine that I use for testing has no video unless I drag it downstairs and use an esternal monitor.
[14:38] <smartboyhw> len-dt, eh..........
[14:40] <len-dt> How come Bug 153837 is showing up in my email as confirmed today?
[14:40] <len-dt> We don't use GDM.
[14:41] <astraljava> So easily invalidated.
[14:41] <len-dt> this is for gutsy? is that even still supported?
[14:41] <smartboyhw> I think just close the bug
[14:41] <smartboyhw> Who is that Thomas Hotz guy?...
[14:44] <len-dt> I marked it invalid and left a note tha says US doesn't use GDM
[14:44] <smartboyhw> yeah
[14:46] <len-dt> Funny thing is that the bug reports know me, but the upload place doesn't?
[14:46] <smartboyhw> len-dt, er........
[14:47] <len-dt> The bug reports page puts a link to my launchpad home page, but if I upload a change to a branch it doesn't
[14:49] <smartboyhw> len-dt, funny indeed
[14:53] <len-dt> Anyway, to be honest, I am pretty happy with US as it sits for this cycle. I think it is a good next step.
[14:54] <smartboyhw> len-dt, I think it is ready for release already!:D
[14:54] <len-dt> I'm really not sure what to add/change next cycle...
[14:54]  * smartboyhw also
[14:54] <len-dt> smartboyhw, I would like to see micahg release our last fix to -settings.
[14:55] <smartboyhw> len-dt, yeh he didn't:D
[14:55] <smartboyhw> since he is on vacation
[14:55] <len-dt> he only has so much time... just like all of us.
[14:55] <smartboyhw> I do have packaged it in my ppa (using Launchpad recipes):D
[14:56] <falktx> is next cycle LTS?
[14:56] <smartboyhw> falktx, no no no
[14:56] <len-dt> falktx, no, that was last cycle 12.04
[14:56] <falktx> 12.10 -> 13.04, so I guess no
[14:56] <smartboyhw> falktx, 14.04 is:D
[14:56] <falktx> yep
[14:59] <falktx> I guess it will be time to try to get my cadence tools into debian
[14:59] <smartboyhw> falktx, good:D
[14:59] <len-dt> falktx, Sounds great
[15:00] <len-dt> That is the one thing I can see doing is adding applications that act as workflow glue
[15:00] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:01] <len-dt> not major things, but utilities that make the applications we have work together better.
[15:01] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:02] <len-dt> I would like to see us do more in the way of trying system tweaks for some of the other workflows besides just audio as well.
[15:03] <smartboyhw> Yeah I agree
[15:04] <len-dt> I have heard that it is worthwhile using the performance governor for graphics rendering and maybe in some video places as well.
[15:04] <smartboyhw> VIDEO!
[15:07] <len-dt> The other place that could use some love is the install. While it is nice to have the live ISO have everything, it would be nice to just install the workflows needed.
[15:08] <len-dt> I don't know if they are finished playing around with the installer yet though
[15:08] <smartboyhw> len-dt, I don't think so
[15:08] <len-dt> There are supposed to be changes to it coming that would make this a lot easier.
[15:09] <smartboyhw> :D
[15:31] <micahg> len-dt: yeah, will upload today
[15:31] <smartboyhw> YEAH YEAH YEAH
[15:31] <len-dt> micahg, thank you very much
[15:32] <micahg> len-dt: but I'm off after today until after Final Freeze (Tue 2100 UTC), so if you need any other changes, please find someone else to upload them
[15:32] <smartboyhw> Oops that is bad...But then really nothing to change :D
[15:32] <len-dt> Personally, I'm done.
[15:32] <micahg> patch pilot in #ubuntu-devel is generally a good choice
[15:33] <len-dt> micahg, I would still be happy with things the way they are, I feel I have made the most of what I had for this cycle.
[15:33] <smartboyhw> ;D
[15:34] <smartboyhw> len-dt, your work items have a lot of "DONE"s
[15:34]  * smartboyhw finds scott-work with a lot of "POSTPONED":D
[15:34] <ailo> len-dt: I was just looking at the menu. Why are some apps grouped together under a separator?
[15:34] <len-dt> Yes but they are mostly menu fixes
[15:34] <len-dt> You mean in audio?
[15:34] <ailo> len-dt: I can see the logic of grouping qjackctl, gladish and patchage, but not with a virtual midi keyboard etc
[15:35] <len-dt> that is work flow related
[15:35] <ailo> Yeah, the audio menu
[15:35] <smartboyhw> len-dt, yes
[15:35] <len-dt> the stuff at the bottom is whatever didn't fit above
[15:35] <ailo> What is the idea with what is above then?
[15:36] <len-dt> major apps in workflow order then utilities then whatever else.
[15:36] <ailo> Workflow order?
[15:36] <ailo> I don't see any particular order
[15:37]  * smartboyhw doesn't too
[15:37] <len-dt> Ok maybe I got it wrong...
[15:37] <smartboyhw> len-dt, congrats
[15:37] <ailo> I'd rather they be in alphabetical order. And as for qjackctl + other jack control apps, I can see why they could be grouped together
[15:37] <ailo> Even in a menu of their own
[15:38] <len-dt> I think I had composition then ... I can't remember... it has been so long sinse I did it.
[15:38]  * smartboyhw agrees too:D
[15:38]  * len-dt wonders why this is the first he is hearing this
[15:38] <ailo> len-dt: There's only that which bothers me right now. I never looked at that before.
[15:39] <smartboyhw> ah
[15:39]  * smartboyhw did look at that before
[15:39] <ailo> I just took for granted they were in alphabetical order
[15:39] <len-dt> first thing next cycle
[15:39] <smartboyhw> len-dt, last thing THIS cycle please
[15:39] <len-dt> I did ask about the order at that time.
[15:39] <len-dt> smartboyhw, then someone else will have to do it.
[15:39] <smartboyhw> OK
[15:40] <smartboyhw> len-dt, er ailo can do it:D
[15:40] <len-dt> I did run it past Scott with a screen shot and he agreed.
[15:40] <len-dt> The message and screen shot were on the list for anyone to look at
[15:41] <ailo> I would have said something sooner, had I just put my eyes on it for one minute
[15:41] <ailo> I was doing other things before
[15:41] <ailo> I was never interested in the desktop customization bit, but it seems I'm required to do that too
[15:42] <ailo> micahg: Let me just make one more change to the source. Let you know when it's done
[15:42] <micahg> ailo: ok
[15:43] <len-dt> Thanks ailo .
[15:45] <smartboyhw> thx ailo
[15:51] <ailo> len-dt: I'm thinking of putting all the jack and midi control applications above the separator, and letting all the other "include"s wind up under it
[15:51] <ailo> What do you thing?
[15:51] <ailo> think*
[15:51] <smartboyhw> ailo, just to leave a message before I go: Make sure you edit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/QuantalTestcaseUpdates/UbuntuStudioTestcase again before it reaches the deadline. A friendly reminder:D
[15:52]  * smartboyhw agrees
[15:52] <ailo> smartboyhw: I would love to add more to it, but there's a problem with the other areas for me, like video and graphics
[15:52] <ailo> I'll have another look at the audio bit, and see if it can be imroved
[15:52] <smartboyhw> ailo, oh alright then
[15:53] <len-dt> ailo, it is fine with me... you have to start jack before you do anything so close to the top is nice.
[15:53]  * len-dt has to go too
[15:54] <ailo> len-dt: Good. See you later
[16:07] <ailo> micahg: All done
[16:08] <micahg> thanks
[20:22] <micahg> ok, -default-settings uploaded and waiting in queue
[20:50] <len-dt> lo