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xubuntu228Can upgrade from Xubuntu 9.10 to 10.10 via the xubuntu 10.10 ISO?01:28
xubuntu228... without having to burn it to a CD?01:28
xubuntu228... or can I upgrade 9.10 to whatever the current version is via the internet?01:30
Noskcajall are options01:32
Noskcaji think you need a cd or usb to upgrade 9.10 to 10.10 though01:33
xubuntu228I found it. System > Update Manager = "you're out of date, please update" > clicked Update and not it's downloading the packages from the net and will update, I guess01:35
xubuntu228.. to 10.04 LTS it looks like01:35
xubuntu228Thanks for your help01:35
pleia2xubuntu228: you can't go directly from 9.10 to 10.10, have to go to 10.04 first01:36
xubuntu228Yea, it looks like that's what it's doing. I don't really care what version I go to, as long as it's one that's supported01:37
xubuntu228Unless I can stick with 9.04 and have an up to date system with 9.04?01:37
xubuntu228i.e. update Firefox and what not, even with 9.04. Will that work?01:37
xubuntu228I assumed I couldn't do that, because it seems to be telling me the repositories aren't valid for 9.0401:38
xubuntu228so I assumed I would have to update to a supported version (e.g. the 10.04 it's currently updating ti)01:38
TeamRocket1233cYou can easily use Openbox or Fluxbox as the Xubuntu WM, right?02:00
TeamRocket1233cOr would you pretty much be restricted to either Compiz or xfwm4 due to some Xubuntu-specific features requiring those WMs?02:01
TeamRocket1233cI mean it would be kinda cool to use Fluxbox or Openbox as the Xubuntu WM, I mean that would make it lighter-weight right there, as well as adding more customizability, due to the heavy customizability of Openbox and Fluxbox.02:02
xubuntu228I'm fairly sure you can use fluxbox on xubunutu - > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fluxbox02:05
TeamRocket1233cAnd Openbox?02:06
TeamRocket1233cWould not try using Openbox or Fluxbox as the GNOME 3 WM though.02:07
TeamRocket1233cI mean unless you're ready for some HEAVY hacking and tweaking, GNOME 3 + Openbox or Fluxbox would be a disaster.02:08
xubuntu228I think you can use openbox as well - > http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:XFCE/Openbox or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=183265602:09
TeamRocket1233cPretty much as long as it makes Xubuntu lighter-weight and more customizable than stock. -shrug-02:09
TeamRocket1233cPlus I think Xubuntu or Xfce, period, with Fluxbox or Openbox as the WM would kinda look cooler than stock Xubuntu or Xfce too.02:10
TeamRocket1233cFaster, lighter-weight, more customizable, and would look cooler.02:11
TeamRocket1233cAnyways, I'ma go for the night, I'll be back whenever, bye! -wave-02:13
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kotg_luvinhello all from my new cheap craigslist netbook04:40
kotg_luvinxubuntu runs like a dream04:41
holsteinkotg_luvin: enjoy!... i have a few CL eeepc's.. this last one i got refurbished from a vendor04:42
kotg_luvinthis is an eeepc04:42
kotg_luvin1001px04:42
kotg_luvinI didn't bother with running 64-bit though04:42
kotg_luvinit runs well at 3204:42
holsteinyeah... i didnt either04:42
kotg_luvinThis actually runs faster than my main laptop04:43
kotg_luvinand that one overheats all the time04:43
holsteinkotg_luvin: could be a graphics driver... or just some dust around the CPU04:43
kotg_luvinprobably a bit of both04:43
kotg_luvinamd graphics04:43
kotg_luvinarch linux04:43
kotg_luvincan't get the ati drivers working04:44
holsteini like the EEE's... goot battery life.. decent linux support... light weight... cheap04:44
kotg_luvinyeah04:44
kotg_luvinIt's a white one, so it actually looks pretty sleek.04:44
kotg_luvinI have to travel a lot, and this one will serve me much better.04:45
holsteini got a few black ones... this new one is red and a dual core... pretty peppy04:45
kotg_luvinmy gf wants one now, so I'll probably pick up a dual core04:46
kotg_luvina pink one04:47
kotg_luvinor turquoise04:47
kotg_luvinI got this one for like 10004:47
kotg_luvinthe dual cores are 300 brand new, so one will pop up around 150-200 soon on craigslist04:47
holsteinmine was just under $20004:48
holsteini bought 2gigs of memory for it04:48
kotg_luvinI need to get 2 gigs on this one04:50
kotg_luvinit's only got 104:50
kotg_luvinI'm thinking of getting an ssd as well04:50
holsteinkotg_luvin: its not easy getting inside them...04:51
kotg_luvinyeah04:51
kotg_luvinI pulled apart my old aspire one04:51
kotg_luvinthat was a pain04:51
kotg_luvinan ssd and 2 gigs of ram would be nice, though04:52
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karneisadahello all05:21
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recon_lapnot good, computer hard locked :(11:12
Xinfe_Hi, I have a question for a tricky installation of Xubuntu12:10
Xinfe_I want to move from Debian to Xubuntu, and I have no CD available nor USB key12:10
Xinfe_I have used unetbootin (and therefore grub2) to boot the ISO12:11
Xinfe_Now, when I run the installer to install Xubuntu on another partition, here is the error I get:12:11
Xinfe_The installer needs to commit changes to the partition table, but cannt do su because pattitions on the following mount point could not be unmounted:12:12
Xinfe_ /cdrom12:12
Xinfe_Do you have any idea to get around this problem?12:12
Xinfe_(When I hit the "Continue" button, the installer is stuck to "Descting file system")12:13
Xinfe_Detecting*12:14
jnmyou're repartitioning the same disk you're booting from.12:18
Xinfe_Yes, I have only one HDD12:20
Xinfe_And I booted the ISO from this disk12:20
Xinfe_I have no external media available12:20
Xinfe_I have tried adding "toram" option in grub (to be able to unmount the /cdrom, but with no luck12:21
jnmI think that if you boot linux over the network, it will not mount the hdd.12:22
Xinfe_Hummm.... I guess it means I need to have another computer at home, or I can directly access a remote server outside of my lan ?12:24
jnmsorry, I have no idea.12:24
jnmI don't know how to do it.12:25
Xinfe_There is no "official" option to copy the system to RAM and free the HDD ?12:25
jnmthat should be toram. but you say it didn't work.12:26
Xinfe_Yeah, i'm currently on the live, with the toram option12:27
Xinfe_And the installer still refuses to install12:27
Xinfe_Is there a text-based installer I can use?12:28
Xinfe_(From this live, not the alternate cd)12:28
Xinfe_This live is the only system which is still working on my computer12:28
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recon_lapXinfe: the alt installer is text based12:43
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Xinferecon_lap: the alt installer?13:11
Xinferecon_lap: The other iso file?13:11
Mathiasalternate installer13:13
Xinferecon_lap: I can't use it, I have no external media13:13
XinfeThe only system I can use is this very current liveCD booted from my hard drive13:14
MathiasXinfe: sounds like you are *bleep*ed13:41
XinfeMathias: No, I just remembered I have an iPod nano I almost never use13:43
XinfeI hope it will do the trick13:44
TheSheepare ipods still visible without itunes installed?13:44
XinfeYeah, the Nano ones :)13:45
XinfeAt least the one I own13:46
XinfeMaybe the newer versions doesn't13:46
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adambedded_homeHello room.  I'm a recent newcomer to the world of linux.  I'm hoping I might be able to get some advice14:26
TheSheep!hi | adambedded_home14:26
ubottuadambedded_home: Hi!, Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines. Enjoy your stay!14:26
adambedded_homethe main problem is that my usb port is not recognized in Xubuntu 12.04.  It was OK with 8.10.  libusb returns a -99 (could not initialize) error14:27
XinfeOK, so booting on the ipod is not working with Unetbootin14:27
TheSheepXinfe: that sucks14:27
XinfeMaybe the boot sectors are wrte protected14:27
TheSheepXinfe: or the whole thing just pretends to be a disk14:28
XinfeI'll try to get Grub boot the raw iso file on the ipod14:28
jnmwait, you can connect the ipod (I guess through usb) but can't use a common usb stick?14:28
XinfeI don't have one14:28
XinfeIt's the only external media I have14:28
Xinfe(No server in the LAN neither)14:29
TheSheepadambedded_home: anything more in dmesg?14:29
adambedded_homeyes, actually14:29
TheSheepadambedded_home: can you pastebin it?14:29
adambedded_homeyup, give me just a sec14:30
adambedded_homeok....unfortunately, my usb port is my only connection to the outside world14:38
adambedded_homeI do have some details that may help in figuring out what's wrong, I did my homework on this one14:39
adambedded_homethe problem is that Xubuntu is not identifying the USB port from the motherboard's bios.  I've flashed the bios to the latest revision, but there are still no settings for it in the BIOS setup. This is most likely an ACPI issue or something else along those lines14:41
adambedded_homeCan I give you just the lines of dmesg that are pertinent?14:41
adambedded_homemore or less, it opens up the HCI drivers, then can't find an IRQ to assign14:42
adambedded_homethen gives me the "Found HC with no IRQ. Check BIOS/PCI)14:42
hipparchiahi :)14:43
primo_hi14:43
adambedded_homeI'm pretty sure it will just take some boot options, be it ACPI on or off or APIC...but like I said I'm a newbie with this stuff14:43
hipparchiaI have a prob with a black screen sometimes when I start ubuntu 12-04 on my eeepc seashell series14:43
hipparchianot always but sometimes it occurs and I must reboot and I can have a repair screen...14:44
TheSheepadambedded_home: looks like you already know more than me about it14:44
hipparchiaI tried boot repair, but it does not work I had a grub rescue on my screen and impossible to do something else14:44
hipparchiaso I reinstalled everything14:45
hipparchiabut it still happens14:45
hipparchiaI think that's something about my graphic card14:45
adambedded_homedid you start with a previous version of Xubuntu like 10 or 11?14:47
hipparchiano I use 12.04 for a few monthes, this prob began only a few days ago14:47
adambedded_homebut was 12.04 the only Xubuntu you ever installed?14:48
hipparchiayes14:48
adambedded_homewhat does the repair screen look like?14:50
hipparchiaa few lines that beg me to choose about the normal version or a repair version14:50
adambedded_homeOK. Basically what's happening there is when you reboot your computer before Xubuntu can fully load, it detects that the next time you go to start up.  So the repair/normal boot screen is to be expected14:52
adambedded_homenow, you said you get a "black screen"....I assume you mean completely blank?  For how long?14:52
hipparchiait never stops14:53
hipparchiait stays blank14:53
adambedded_homehow long have you tried letting it sit?14:53
hipparchia15 min14:53
adambedded_homeis there any hard drive activity during that time?14:53
hipparchiait  seems14:53
hipparchiacause all lights are turned on on my comp14:54
adambedded_homealso, how often does this happen?14:54
hipparchiaone time on two14:54
hipparchiasorry my english is not very fluent :)14:55
adambedded_homeJust wanted to politely bump my issue with ACPI recognition in case anyone who's recently come in can possibly help14:57
recon_laphipparchia: this might have some interesting tricks https://sites.google.com/site/mtrons/howtos/eeepc-1015pn15:04
hipparchiamany thanks, recon_lap :)15:04
hipparchiaam reading it, interesting :)15:11
hipparchiabye all and thanks to adambedded_home and recon_lap :)15:18
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ner0xGood afternoon. Thinking of switching from debian to xubuntu. Any comparison docs, etc. ?18:10
SkippersBossner0x, You can always try out the live cd. If your hardware functions ok you should be ok to switch18:15
ner0xSkippersBoss: Really, the only things I'm worried about are the ability to set quick keys and having a newish postgresql.18:16
adambedded_homegrrr...still can't get this USB port working18:16
adambedded_homeI've got it in lshw18:17
ner0xI can not work without 4 desktops, quick keys to launch programs, and being able to max/min, close, switch desktops.18:17
TheSheepner0x: you can do all this with xfce on debian just fine18:17
adambedded_homebut linux is looking for an irq and can't seem to see it18:17
Unit193!info postgresql18:17
ubottupostgresql (source: postgresql-common (129)): object-relational SQL database (supported version). In component main, is optional. Version 9.1+129 (precise), package size 5 kB, installed size 63 kB18:17
SkippersBossquick keys can be easily set. I am NOT an expert just some one who has been using it for a while18:18
SkippersBossmultiple virtual desktop is not a problem18:18
ner0xTheSheep: I know I can. Debian is a bit too "stable" for me, if you get my meaning.18:19
ner0xTheSheep: I know where you're coming from. Unfortunately xfce4 package is only on 4.618:20
TheSheepner0x: there are several distributions of debian, with varying age of the packages18:21
ner0xTheSheep: What do you mean? Examples?18:22
TheSheepner0x: I forgot the names, but there is previous stable, stable and unstable18:22
TheSheepthe latter having all the newest stuff18:22
ner0xTheSheep: Oh, yes, I know what you mean. Even the unstable doesn't have anything newer than 4.6.18:23
ner0xTheSheep: debian backports is the unstable repo you speak of.18:23
TheSheepno, backports is a repo of packages from the unstable distribution backported to the stable one18:24
Unit193TheSheep: Testing, unstable, and one even crazier.18:24
Unit193     4.8.0.3 018:24
Unit193        500 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing/main i386 Packages18:24
TheSheepUnit193: the one with the code that is still not written yet? ;)18:24
ner0xOh, so I missed one?18:25
Sysi!xfce4-panel testing18:25
Sysimeh, I think ubotttu used to have debian too18:25
Unit193!info xfce4 testing18:25
ubottuxfce4 (source: xfce4): Meta-package for the Xfce Lightweight Desktop Environment. In component main, is optional. Version 4.8.0.3 (testing), package size 7 kB, installed size 40 kB18:25
Sysistupid me18:25
ner0xBtw, how old is 4.10 ?18:27
TheSheepwhat is 4.10?18:29
ner0xSorry, xfce18:29
Sysiit's been out a couple of months I think18:29
drcxfce 4.10 was released in April18:30
ner0xMaybe a bit too new.18:30
ner0xI'll try out the live cd.18:30
ner0xDesktop vs Alternate, what's the difference?18:32
Unit193ner0x: If you wait a few days/weeks next version will be out.18:32
knomener0x, only desktop has the live cd possibility, alternate is text installation only18:32
ner0xUnit193: I'm doing this on a laptop that can be wiped over and over. So, just testing the waters right now.18:33
ner0xknome: Thank you.18:33
xubuntu815Stupid question how do I download Xubuntu do I need a blank cd? or do I order the distro?19:04
knomexubuntu815, the easiest way is to download the .iso and burn it to a blank disc, yes19:05
TheSheep!install19:05
ubottuUbuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall - Don't want to use a CD? See http://tinyurl.com/3exghs - See also !automate19:05
xubuntu815Thanks, I want to use a cd so I can just fresh install it19:05
blackgatonegro1try with a usb flash drive19:09
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[JJ]AlbertHello, fellow Xubuntu users.20:14
[JJ]AlbertI have a problem which is killing me... but 1 sec20:15
[JJ]AlbertUgh, random call.20:16
[JJ]AlbertAnyways, I'm having trouble with ALSA.20:16
[JJ]AlbertI can get sound playing in Banshee with my alsa drivers, but for Wine and Flash I get no sound.20:17
recon_lap[JJ]Albert: how did you install flash?20:17
[JJ]AlbertI never installed flash. It came with the system.20:18
[JJ]AlbertWell20:18
[JJ]AlbertOS20:18
[JJ]AlbertI built the system.20:18
[JJ]AlbertAlso, they were both working fine yesterday.20:18
[JJ]AlbertSo basically, what are all the ALSA related things to reinstall with synaptic in console20:21
[JJ]Albert?20:21
[JJ]AlbertThese problems all started a few weeks ago, when a freak power-outage ruined my audio drivers, and in a panic to fix them I accidentally installed a bunch of useless Ubuntu dependencies. I had the audio fixed though, until today.20:22
[JJ]AlbertIt works fine only in Banshee, and I don't know why.20:23
recon_lap[JJ]Albert: you could try alsa-base package20:23
[JJ]AlbertYeh, I'll try that.20:23
[JJ]AlbertBut my confusion is mostly in why only Banshee has audio.20:23
recon_lap[JJ]Albert: have you checked alsa-mixer and all the relevant sound setting in each app?20:25
[JJ]AlbertYes.20:25
[JJ]AlbertThey are all the same.20:25
[JJ]AlbertNothing was changed between yesterday and today.20:25
recon_lap[JJ]Albert: sry, but don't have any ideas. no real info to go on.20:26
[JJ]AlbertI reinstalled alsa-base. It didn't add in any of the second packages.20:26
[JJ]Albertsecondary, that is.20:26
[JJ]AlbertWell I'll reset now. See if reinstalling alsa-base solved anything.20:28
[JJ]AlbertSay, that seems to work so far. I haven't tested flash yet, but I think it's all solved. :p20:31
[JJ]AlbertMan, audio and linux is still a bitch nowadays. Pardon my language...20:31
[JJ]AlbertYep, it's all fixed. Thanks for the help you could give there, recon_lap.20:33
recon_lapnp, glad it works20:34
[JJ]AlbertYeah, it just aggravates me, y'know?20:35
[JJ]AlbertALSA is better than Pulseaudio, but it's less hand-holding and more trial-error.20:35
[JJ]AlbertSo if someone could combine the best of pulse with the best of ALSA, then all the power to them.20:36
recon_lapwell it open source, so your free to get working on it ;-)20:36
[JJ]AlbertBut I'm no programmer. :(20:37
[JJ]AlbertI'm just a guy who jumped on the *nix bandwagon around Ubuntu's rise.20:37
[JJ]AlbertAlthough I've known about it since the early 00s.20:37
[JJ]AlbertBack when redhat was popular. But I was a wee-youngin then, to put it bluntly.20:38
recon_lapanyway, this is support channel, there is xubuntu-offtopic for chatting20:38
[JJ]AlbertOh, srry. :p20:38
[JJ]AlbertWell, I've been supported, so later.20:38
[JJ]AlbertThanks again.20:38
adambedded_homeHey everyone...still banging my head against the wall with this USB port IRQ issue21:53
adambedded_homeif anyone is well-versed in BIOS/Motherbord vs. OS compatibility, help would be majorly appreciated21:56
holsteinadambedded_home: maybe rtirq ? http://packages.debian.org/sid/misc/rtirq-init21:57
holsteinwhats the issue anyways... what machine... i usually find some workaround with the hardware when possieble21:57
holsteinpossible*21:58
adambedded_homethis is a Hinote VP from around 1995, it's running at 266 MHz with 144 MB of RAM, so I'm running the alternate install22:00
holsteini think you should have realistic expectations of that hardware as well.. it might not be an IRQ issue.. maybe its just slow22:01
adambedded_homeaccording to the dmesg output, when it goes to initialize the hci drivers for the usb port22:02
adambedded_home"can't find IRQ for PCI INT D; try using pci=biosirq"22:02
adambedded_homeI tried the biosirq switch in grub but it didn't make a difference22:02
holsteinadambedded_home: do you have anything plugged in via USB? can you just disable USB in the bois22:03
holsteinbios*22:03
adambedded_homeunfortunately the bios has no settings regarding the usb port, and it's the latest revision of the BIOS firmware that was ever released22:03
adambedded_homeaccording to the specs for my specific motherboard, USB is hardwired to 1022:04
adambedded_homeI'm thinking it's most likely an ACPI or APIC issue22:05
adambedded_homesomething is causing that port's IRQ not to be routed properly to the OS22:05
holsteinadambedded_home: shouldnt.. you have nothing plugged in, correct/22:06
holsteinadambedded_home: does anything run on the hardware? any OS? have you tried a puppy linux live CD?22:07
adambedded_homehmm...that's probably something I should check out, I've had my network fob plugged into it22:07
holsteinadambedded_home: i would plug *nothing* up to it... just install, and cross your fingers and those specs22:07
adambedded_homeoh yeah, it's dualbooted with windows 98, I had xubuntu 8.10 and had no trouble with the USB.  This only became an issue when I installed 12.0422:08
holsteinadambedded_home: i would also like to see anything boot up on that hardware to see that it is working22:08
adambedded_homeXubuntu is perfectly functional at the moment with the exception of the USB port22:08
holsteinadambedded_home: i might use 10.04 if its more supported.. support for legacy devices will need to be dropped from the kernel at some point, not that you cant make your own kernel and provide support22:09
adambedded_homeyeah, I've been trying to wrap my brain around the ACPI stuff22:09
holsteinadambedded_home: i would just get a kernel that would be more likely to support your hardware22:12
adambedded_homeby kernel do you mean a different release?22:13
adambedded_homefor instance, 10.04?22:13
adambedded_homeor a modified kernel for 12?22:13
adambedded_home(sorry I'm a beginner)22:13
holsteinadambedded_home: it literally wont hurt to try 10.04.. for a machine of that age, i wouldnt waste much time on it22:13
holsteinadambedded_home: i would use what works.. i would maybe use puppy linux if i wanted a desktop.. or a server install of 12.0422:14
adambedded_homethat's not a bad idea....8.1 was fine but I wanted the latest and greatest22:14
holsteinadambedded_home: the lastest and greatest might not run that well on that hardware22:14
holsteinadambedded_home: at that level, i think you should go with what works... boring, and stable22:14
adambedded_homeI agree22:15
adambedded_homeI noticed in my dmesg that a USB 2.0 driver is being installed in addition to my USB 1.1 driver.  I don't have USB 2.0, is there a way to uninstall that driver?23:59

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