[01:28] <xubuntu228> Can upgrade from Xubuntu 9.10 to 10.10 via the xubuntu 10.10 ISO?
[01:28] <xubuntu228> ... without having to burn it to a CD?
[01:30] <xubuntu228> ... or can I upgrade 9.10 to whatever the current version is via the internet?
[01:32] <Noskcaj> all are options
[01:33] <Noskcaj> i think you need a cd or usb to upgrade 9.10 to 10.10 though
[01:35] <xubuntu228> I found it. System > Update Manager = "you're out of date, please update" > clicked Update and not it's downloading the packages from the net and will update, I guess
[01:35] <xubuntu228> .. to 10.04 LTS it looks like
[01:35] <xubuntu228> Thanks for your help
[01:36] <pleia2> xubuntu228: you can't go directly from 9.10 to 10.10, have to go to 10.04 first
[01:37] <xubuntu228> Yea, it looks like that's what it's doing. I don't really care what version I go to, as long as it's one that's supported
[01:37] <xubuntu228> Unless I can stick with 9.04 and have an up to date system with 9.04?
[01:37] <xubuntu228> i.e. update Firefox and what not, even with 9.04. Will that work?
[01:38] <xubuntu228> I assumed I couldn't do that, because it seems to be telling me the repositories aren't valid for 9.04
[01:38] <xubuntu228> so I assumed I would have to update to a supported version (e.g. the 10.04 it's currently updating ti)
[02:00] <TeamRocket1233c> You can easily use Openbox or Fluxbox as the Xubuntu WM, right?
[02:01] <TeamRocket1233c> Or would you pretty much be restricted to either Compiz or xfwm4 due to some Xubuntu-specific features requiring those WMs?
[02:02] <TeamRocket1233c> I mean it would be kinda cool to use Fluxbox or Openbox as the Xubuntu WM, I mean that would make it lighter-weight right there, as well as adding more customizability, due to the heavy customizability of Openbox and Fluxbox.
[02:05] <xubuntu228> I'm fairly sure you can use fluxbox on xubunutu - > https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fluxbox
[02:06] <TeamRocket1233c> And Openbox?
[02:07] <TeamRocket1233c> Would not try using Openbox or Fluxbox as the GNOME 3 WM though.
[02:08] <TeamRocket1233c> I mean unless you're ready for some HEAVY hacking and tweaking, GNOME 3 + Openbox or Fluxbox would be a disaster.
[02:09] <xubuntu228> I think you can use openbox as well - > http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:XFCE/Openbox or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1832656
[02:09] <TeamRocket1233c> Pretty much as long as it makes Xubuntu lighter-weight and more customizable than stock. -shrug-
[02:10] <TeamRocket1233c> Plus I think Xubuntu or Xfce, period, with Fluxbox or Openbox as the WM would kinda look cooler than stock Xubuntu or Xfce too.
[02:11] <TeamRocket1233c> Faster, lighter-weight, more customizable, and would look cooler.
[02:13] <TeamRocket1233c> Anyways, I'ma go for the night, I'll be back whenever, bye! -wave-
[04:40] <kotg_luvin> hello all from my new cheap craigslist netbook
[04:41] <kotg_luvin> xubuntu runs like a dream
[04:42] <holstein> kotg_luvin: enjoy!... i have a few CL eeepc's.. this last one i got refurbished from a vendor
[04:42] <kotg_luvin> this is an eeepc
[04:42] <kotg_luvin> 1001px
[04:42] <kotg_luvin> I didn't bother with running 64-bit though
[04:42] <kotg_luvin> it runs well at 32
[04:42] <holstein> yeah... i didnt either
[04:43] <kotg_luvin> This actually runs faster than my main laptop
[04:43] <kotg_luvin> and that one overheats all the time
[04:43] <holstein> kotg_luvin: could be a graphics driver... or just some dust around the CPU
[04:43] <kotg_luvin> probably a bit of both
[04:43] <kotg_luvin> amd graphics
[04:43] <kotg_luvin> arch linux
[04:44] <kotg_luvin> can't get the ati drivers working
[04:44] <holstein> i like the EEE's... goot battery life.. decent linux support... light weight... cheap
[04:44] <kotg_luvin> yeah
[04:44] <kotg_luvin> It's a white one, so it actually looks pretty sleek.
[04:45] <kotg_luvin> I have to travel a lot, and this one will serve me much better.
[04:45] <holstein> i got a few black ones... this new one is red and a dual core... pretty peppy
[04:46] <kotg_luvin> my gf wants one now, so I'll probably pick up a dual core
[04:47] <kotg_luvin> a pink one
[04:47] <kotg_luvin> or turquoise
[04:47] <kotg_luvin> I got this one for like 100
[04:47] <kotg_luvin> the dual cores are 300 brand new, so one will pop up around 150-200 soon on craigslist
[04:48] <holstein> mine was just under $200
[04:48] <holstein> i bought 2gigs of memory for it
[04:50] <kotg_luvin> I need to get 2 gigs on this one
[04:50] <kotg_luvin> it's only got 1
[04:50] <kotg_luvin> I'm thinking of getting an ssd as well
[04:51] <holstein> kotg_luvin: its not easy getting inside them...
[04:51] <kotg_luvin> yeah
[04:51] <kotg_luvin> I pulled apart my old aspire one
[04:51] <kotg_luvin> that was a pain
[04:52] <kotg_luvin> an ssd and 2 gigs of ram would be nice, though
[05:21] <karneisada> hello all
[11:12] <recon_lap> not good, computer hard locked :(
[12:10] <Xinfe_> Hi, I have a question for a tricky installation of Xubuntu
[12:10] <Xinfe_> I want to move from Debian to Xubuntu, and I have no CD available nor USB key
[12:11] <Xinfe_> I have used unetbootin (and therefore grub2) to boot the ISO
[12:11] <Xinfe_> Now, when I run the installer to install Xubuntu on another partition, here is the error I get:
[12:12] <Xinfe_> The installer needs to commit changes to the partition table, but cannt do su because pattitions on the following mount point could not be unmounted:
[12:12] <Xinfe_>  /cdrom
[12:12] <Xinfe_> Do you have any idea to get around this problem?
[12:13] <Xinfe_> (When I hit the "Continue" button, the installer is stuck to "Descting file system")
[12:14] <Xinfe_> Detecting*
[12:18] <jnm> you're repartitioning the same disk you're booting from.
[12:20] <Xinfe_> Yes, I have only one HDD
[12:20] <Xinfe_> And I booted the ISO from this disk
[12:20] <Xinfe_> I have no external media available
[12:21] <Xinfe_> I have tried adding "toram" option in grub (to be able to unmount the /cdrom, but with no luck
[12:22] <jnm> I think that if you boot linux over the network, it will not mount the hdd.
[12:24] <Xinfe_> Hummm.... I guess it means I need to have another computer at home, or I can directly access a remote server outside of my lan ?
[12:24] <jnm> sorry, I have no idea.
[12:25] <jnm> I don't know how to do it.
[12:25] <Xinfe_> There is no "official" option to copy the system to RAM and free the HDD ?
[12:26] <jnm> that should be toram. but you say it didn't work.
[12:27] <Xinfe_> Yeah, i'm currently on the live, with the toram option
[12:27] <Xinfe_> And the installer still refuses to install
[12:28] <Xinfe_> Is there a text-based installer I can use?
[12:28] <Xinfe_> (From this live, not the alternate cd)
[12:28] <Xinfe_> This live is the only system which is still working on my computer
[12:43] <recon_lap> Xinfe: the alt installer is text based
[13:11] <Xinfe> recon_lap: the alt installer?
[13:11] <Xinfe> recon_lap: The other iso file?
[13:13] <Mathias> alternate installer
[13:13] <Xinfe> recon_lap: I can't use it, I have no external media
[13:14] <Xinfe> The only system I can use is this very current liveCD booted from my hard drive
[13:41] <Mathias> Xinfe: sounds like you are *bleep*ed
[13:43] <Xinfe> Mathias: No, I just remembered I have an iPod nano I almost never use
[13:44] <Xinfe> I hope it will do the trick
[13:44] <TheSheep> are ipods still visible without itunes installed?
[13:45] <Xinfe> Yeah, the Nano ones :)
[13:46] <Xinfe> At least the one I own
[13:46] <Xinfe> Maybe the newer versions doesn't
[14:26] <adambedded_home> Hello room.  I'm a recent newcomer to the world of linux.  I'm hoping I might be able to get some advice
[14:26] <TheSheep> !hi | adambedded_home
[14:27] <adambedded_home> the main problem is that my usb port is not recognized in Xubuntu 12.04.  It was OK with 8.10.  libusb returns a -99 (could not initialize) error
[14:27] <Xinfe> OK, so booting on the ipod is not working with Unetbootin
[14:27] <TheSheep> Xinfe: that sucks
[14:27] <Xinfe> Maybe the boot sectors are wrte protected
[14:28] <TheSheep> Xinfe: or the whole thing just pretends to be a disk
[14:28] <Xinfe> I'll try to get Grub boot the raw iso file on the ipod
[14:28] <jnm> wait, you can connect the ipod (I guess through usb) but can't use a common usb stick?
[14:28] <Xinfe> I don't have one
[14:28] <Xinfe> It's the only external media I have
[14:29] <Xinfe> (No server in the LAN neither)
[14:29] <TheSheep> adambedded_home: anything more in dmesg?
[14:29] <adambedded_home> yes, actually
[14:29] <TheSheep> adambedded_home: can you pastebin it?
[14:30] <adambedded_home> yup, give me just a sec
[14:38] <adambedded_home> ok....unfortunately, my usb port is my only connection to the outside world
[14:39] <adambedded_home> I do have some details that may help in figuring out what's wrong, I did my homework on this one
[14:41] <adambedded_home> the problem is that Xubuntu is not identifying the USB port from the motherboard's bios.  I've flashed the bios to the latest revision, but there are still no settings for it in the BIOS setup. This is most likely an ACPI issue or something else along those lines
[14:41] <adambedded_home> Can I give you just the lines of dmesg that are pertinent?
[14:42] <adambedded_home> more or less, it opens up the HCI drivers, then can't find an IRQ to assign
[14:42] <adambedded_home> then gives me the "Found HC with no IRQ. Check BIOS/PCI)
[14:43] <hipparchia> hi :)
[14:43] <primo_> hi
[14:43] <adambedded_home> I'm pretty sure it will just take some boot options, be it ACPI on or off or APIC...but like I said I'm a newbie with this stuff
[14:43] <hipparchia> I have a prob with a black screen sometimes when I start ubuntu 12-04 on my eeepc seashell series
[14:44] <hipparchia> not always but sometimes it occurs and I must reboot and I can have a repair screen...
[14:44] <TheSheep> adambedded_home: looks like you already know more than me about it
[14:44] <hipparchia> I tried boot repair, but it does not work I had a grub rescue on my screen and impossible to do something else
[14:45] <hipparchia> so I reinstalled everything
[14:45] <hipparchia> but it still happens
[14:45] <hipparchia> I think that's something about my graphic card
[14:47] <adambedded_home> did you start with a previous version of Xubuntu like 10 or 11?
[14:47] <hipparchia> no I use 12.04 for a few monthes, this prob began only a few days ago
[14:48] <adambedded_home> but was 12.04 the only Xubuntu you ever installed?
[14:48] <hipparchia> yes
[14:50] <adambedded_home> what does the repair screen look like?
[14:50] <hipparchia> a few lines that beg me to choose about the normal version or a repair version
[14:52] <adambedded_home> OK. Basically what's happening there is when you reboot your computer before Xubuntu can fully load, it detects that the next time you go to start up.  So the repair/normal boot screen is to be expected
[14:52] <adambedded_home> now, you said you get a "black screen"....I assume you mean completely blank?  For how long?
[14:53] <hipparchia> it never stops
[14:53] <hipparchia> it stays blank
[14:53] <adambedded_home> how long have you tried letting it sit?
[14:53] <hipparchia> 15 min
[14:53] <adambedded_home> is there any hard drive activity during that time?
[14:53] <hipparchia> it  seems
[14:54] <hipparchia> cause all lights are turned on on my comp
[14:54] <adambedded_home> also, how often does this happen?
[14:54] <hipparchia> one time on two
[14:55] <hipparchia> sorry my english is not very fluent :)
[14:57] <adambedded_home> Just wanted to politely bump my issue with ACPI recognition in case anyone who's recently come in can possibly help
[15:04] <recon_lap> hipparchia: this might have some interesting tricks https://sites.google.com/site/mtrons/howtos/eeepc-1015pn
[15:04] <hipparchia> many thanks, recon_lap :)
[15:11] <hipparchia> am reading it, interesting :)
[15:18] <hipparchia> bye all and thanks to adambedded_home and recon_lap :)
[18:10] <ner0x> Good afternoon. Thinking of switching from debian to xubuntu. Any comparison docs, etc. ?
[18:15] <SkippersBoss> ner0x, You can always try out the live cd. If your hardware functions ok you should be ok to switch
[18:16] <ner0x> SkippersBoss: Really, the only things I'm worried about are the ability to set quick keys and having a newish postgresql.
[18:16] <adambedded_home> grrr...still can't get this USB port working
[18:17] <adambedded_home> I've got it in lshw
[18:17] <ner0x> I can not work without 4 desktops, quick keys to launch programs, and being able to max/min, close, switch desktops.
[18:17] <TheSheep> ner0x: you can do all this with xfce on debian just fine
[18:17] <adambedded_home> but linux is looking for an irq and can't seem to see it
[18:17] <Unit193> !info postgresql
[18:18] <SkippersBoss> quick keys can be easily set. I am NOT an expert just some one who has been using it for a while
[18:18] <SkippersBoss> multiple virtual desktop is not a problem
[18:19] <ner0x> TheSheep: I know I can. Debian is a bit too "stable" for me, if you get my meaning.
[18:20] <ner0x> TheSheep: I know where you're coming from. Unfortunately xfce4 package is only on 4.6
[18:21] <TheSheep> ner0x: there are several distributions of debian, with varying age of the packages
[18:22] <ner0x> TheSheep: What do you mean? Examples?
[18:22] <TheSheep> ner0x: I forgot the names, but there is previous stable, stable and unstable
[18:22] <TheSheep> the latter having all the newest stuff
[18:23] <ner0x> TheSheep: Oh, yes, I know what you mean. Even the unstable doesn't have anything newer than 4.6.
[18:23] <ner0x> TheSheep: debian backports is the unstable repo you speak of.
[18:24] <TheSheep> no, backports is a repo of packages from the unstable distribution backported to the stable one
[18:24] <Unit193> TheSheep: Testing, unstable, and one even crazier.
[18:24] <Unit193>      4.8.0.3 0
[18:24] <Unit193>         500 http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing/main i386 Packages
[18:24] <TheSheep> Unit193: the one with the code that is still not written yet? ;)
[18:25] <ner0x> Oh, so I missed one?
[18:25] <Sysi> !xfce4-panel testing
[18:25] <Sysi> meh, I think ubotttu used to have debian too
[18:25] <Unit193> !info xfce4 testing
[18:25] <Sysi> stupid me
[18:27] <ner0x> Btw, how old is 4.10 ?
[18:29] <TheSheep> what is 4.10?
[18:29] <ner0x> Sorry, xfce
[18:29] <Sysi> it's been out a couple of months I think
[18:30] <drc> xfce 4.10 was released in April
[18:30] <ner0x> Maybe a bit too new.
[18:30] <ner0x> I'll try out the live cd.
[18:32] <ner0x> Desktop vs Alternate, what's the difference?
[18:32] <Unit193> ner0x: If you wait a few days/weeks next version will be out.
[18:32] <knome> ner0x, only desktop has the live cd possibility, alternate is text installation only
[18:33] <ner0x> Unit193: I'm doing this on a laptop that can be wiped over and over. So, just testing the waters right now.
[18:33] <ner0x> knome: Thank you.
[19:04] <xubuntu815> Stupid question how do I download Xubuntu do I need a blank cd? or do I order the distro?
[19:05] <knome> xubuntu815, the easiest way is to download the .iso and burn it to a blank disc, yes
[19:05] <TheSheep> !install
[19:05] <xubuntu815> Thanks, I want to use a cd so I can just fresh install it
[19:09] <blackgatonegro1> try with a usb flash drive
[20:14] <[JJ]Albert> Hello, fellow Xubuntu users.
[20:15] <[JJ]Albert> I have a problem which is killing me... but 1 sec
[20:16] <[JJ]Albert> Ugh, random call.
[20:16] <[JJ]Albert> Anyways, I'm having trouble with ALSA.
[20:17] <[JJ]Albert> I can get sound playing in Banshee with my alsa drivers, but for Wine and Flash I get no sound.
[20:17] <recon_lap> [JJ]Albert: how did you install flash?
[20:18] <[JJ]Albert> I never installed flash. It came with the system.
[20:18] <[JJ]Albert> Well
[20:18] <[JJ]Albert> OS
[20:18] <[JJ]Albert> I built the system.
[20:18] <[JJ]Albert> Also, they were both working fine yesterday.
[20:21] <[JJ]Albert> So basically, what are all the ALSA related things to reinstall with synaptic in console
[20:21] <[JJ]Albert> ?
[20:22] <[JJ]Albert> These problems all started a few weeks ago, when a freak power-outage ruined my audio drivers, and in a panic to fix them I accidentally installed a bunch of useless Ubuntu dependencies. I had the audio fixed though, until today.
[20:23] <[JJ]Albert> It works fine only in Banshee, and I don't know why.
[20:23] <recon_lap> [JJ]Albert: you could try alsa-base package
[20:23] <[JJ]Albert> Yeh, I'll try that.
[20:23] <[JJ]Albert> But my confusion is mostly in why only Banshee has audio.
[20:25] <recon_lap> [JJ]Albert: have you checked alsa-mixer and all the relevant sound setting in each app?
[20:25] <[JJ]Albert> Yes.
[20:25] <[JJ]Albert> They are all the same.
[20:25] <[JJ]Albert> Nothing was changed between yesterday and today.
[20:26] <recon_lap> [JJ]Albert: sry, but don't have any ideas. no real info to go on.
[20:26] <[JJ]Albert> I reinstalled alsa-base. It didn't add in any of the second packages.
[20:26] <[JJ]Albert> secondary, that is.
[20:28] <[JJ]Albert> Well I'll reset now. See if reinstalling alsa-base solved anything.
[20:31] <[JJ]Albert> Say, that seems to work so far. I haven't tested flash yet, but I think it's all solved. :p
[20:31] <[JJ]Albert> Man, audio and linux is still a bitch nowadays. Pardon my language...
[20:33] <[JJ]Albert> Yep, it's all fixed. Thanks for the help you could give there, recon_lap.
[20:34] <recon_lap> np, glad it works
[20:35] <[JJ]Albert> Yeah, it just aggravates me, y'know?
[20:35] <[JJ]Albert> ALSA is better than Pulseaudio, but it's less hand-holding and more trial-error.
[20:36] <[JJ]Albert> So if someone could combine the best of pulse with the best of ALSA, then all the power to them.
[20:36] <recon_lap> well it open source, so your free to get working on it ;-)
[20:37] <[JJ]Albert> But I'm no programmer. :(
[20:37] <[JJ]Albert> I'm just a guy who jumped on the *nix bandwagon around Ubuntu's rise.
[20:37] <[JJ]Albert> Although I've known about it since the early 00s.
[20:38] <[JJ]Albert> Back when redhat was popular. But I was a wee-youngin then, to put it bluntly.
[20:38] <recon_lap> anyway, this is support channel, there is xubuntu-offtopic for chatting
[20:38] <[JJ]Albert> Oh, srry. :p
[20:38] <[JJ]Albert> Well, I've been supported, so later.
[20:38] <[JJ]Albert> Thanks again.
[21:53] <adambedded_home> Hey everyone...still banging my head against the wall with this USB port IRQ issue
[21:56] <adambedded_home> if anyone is well-versed in BIOS/Motherbord vs. OS compatibility, help would be majorly appreciated
[21:57] <holstein> adambedded_home: maybe rtirq ? http://packages.debian.org/sid/misc/rtirq-init
[21:57] <holstein> whats the issue anyways... what machine... i usually find some workaround with the hardware when possieble
[21:58] <holstein> possible*
[22:00] <adambedded_home> this is a Hinote VP from around 1995, it's running at 266 MHz with 144 MB of RAM, so I'm running the alternate install
[22:01] <holstein> i think you should have realistic expectations of that hardware as well.. it might not be an IRQ issue.. maybe its just slow
[22:02] <adambedded_home> according to the dmesg output, when it goes to initialize the hci drivers for the usb port
[22:02] <adambedded_home> "can't find IRQ for PCI INT D; try using pci=biosirq"
[22:02] <adambedded_home> I tried the biosirq switch in grub but it didn't make a difference
[22:03] <holstein> adambedded_home: do you have anything plugged in via USB? can you just disable USB in the bois
[22:03] <holstein> bios*
[22:03] <adambedded_home> unfortunately the bios has no settings regarding the usb port, and it's the latest revision of the BIOS firmware that was ever released
[22:04] <adambedded_home> according to the specs for my specific motherboard, USB is hardwired to 10
[22:05] <adambedded_home> I'm thinking it's most likely an ACPI or APIC issue
[22:05] <adambedded_home> something is causing that port's IRQ not to be routed properly to the OS
[22:06] <holstein> adambedded_home: shouldnt.. you have nothing plugged in, correct/
[22:07] <holstein> adambedded_home: does anything run on the hardware? any OS? have you tried a puppy linux live CD?
[22:07] <adambedded_home> hmm...that's probably something I should check out, I've had my network fob plugged into it
[22:07] <holstein> adambedded_home: i would plug *nothing* up to it... just install, and cross your fingers and those specs
[22:08] <adambedded_home> oh yeah, it's dualbooted with windows 98, I had xubuntu 8.10 and had no trouble with the USB.  This only became an issue when I installed 12.04
[22:08] <holstein> adambedded_home: i would also like to see anything boot up on that hardware to see that it is working
[22:08] <adambedded_home> Xubuntu is perfectly functional at the moment with the exception of the USB port
[22:09] <holstein> adambedded_home: i might use 10.04 if its more supported.. support for legacy devices will need to be dropped from the kernel at some point, not that you cant make your own kernel and provide support
[22:09] <adambedded_home> yeah, I've been trying to wrap my brain around the ACPI stuff
[22:12] <holstein> adambedded_home: i would just get a kernel that would be more likely to support your hardware
[22:13] <adambedded_home> by kernel do you mean a different release?
[22:13] <adambedded_home> for instance, 10.04?
[22:13] <adambedded_home> or a modified kernel for 12?
[22:13] <adambedded_home> (sorry I'm a beginner)
[22:13] <holstein> adambedded_home: it literally wont hurt to try 10.04.. for a machine of that age, i wouldnt waste much time on it
[22:14] <holstein> adambedded_home: i would use what works.. i would maybe use puppy linux if i wanted a desktop.. or a server install of 12.04
[22:14] <adambedded_home> that's not a bad idea....8.1 was fine but I wanted the latest and greatest
[22:14] <holstein> adambedded_home: the lastest and greatest might not run that well on that hardware
[22:14] <holstein> adambedded_home: at that level, i think you should go with what works... boring, and stable
[22:15] <adambedded_home> I agree
[23:59] <adambedded_home> I noticed in my dmesg that a USB 2.0 driver is being installed in addition to my USB 1.1 driver.  I don't have USB 2.0, is there a way to uninstall that driver?