[00:34] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv < watch :P
[00:51] <JontheEchidna> ^was pretty awesome
[00:54] <shadeslayer> yeah
[01:15] <shadeslayer> should I just move ktp 0.5.1 to kubuntu-backports?
[03:32] <valorie> I upgraded to Quantal and have no problems so far
[03:34] <valorie> although I noticed this today: http://wstaw.org/m/2012/10/08/plasma-desktopTN2364.png
[03:34] <valorie> is that KDE, or Quantal though?
[03:36] <valorie> I opened systemsettings to fix my right touchpad button, but upgrades seemed to have fixed it without my intervention
[04:23] <valorie> shadeslayer: have you seen the above in Kubuntu, or is it KDE? ^^^
[04:24] <shadeslayer> oh sec
[04:24] <shadeslayer> I'm on precise
[04:26] <shadeslayer> hm
[04:28] <shadeslayer> valorie: can you try and install xinput=1.5.99.1-0ubuntu2
[04:28] <shadeslayer> sudo apt-get install xinput=1.5.99.1-0ubuntu2
[04:31] <valorie> ok
[04:32] <valorie> E: Version '1.5.99.1-0ubuntu2' for 'xinput' was not found
[04:34] <valorie> shadeslayer: ^^^
[04:35] <shadeslayer> derp
[04:35] <shadeslayer> valorie: amd64?
[04:36] <valorie> yup
[04:37] <shadeslayer> valorie: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xinput/1.5.99.1-0ubuntu2/+build/3209552/+files/xinput_1.5.99.1-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[04:38] <valorie> I need to build that from the deb?
[04:38] <shadeslayer> nah
[04:38] <shadeslayer> wget https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xinput/1.5.99.1-0ubuntu2/+build/3209552/+files/xinput_1.5.99.1-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb && sudo dpkg -i xinput_1.5.99.1-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[04:41] <valorie> danke
[04:41] <valorie> all of a sudden 5 people talking to me about 5 different things....
[04:41] <valorie> :-)
[04:41] <shadeslayer> heh
[04:42] <valorie> ok, now that it's built, try again with systemsettings?
[04:42] <shadeslayer> valorie: s/built/installed
[04:42] <shadeslayer> and yes please
[04:43] <valorie> right, built and installed
[04:43] <shadeslayer> no no, you didn't build anything :)_
[04:44] <valorie> same "error" message
[04:44] <shadeslayer> hmph
[04:44] <shadeslayer> something deeper in the X stack then
[04:44] <valorie> didn't dpkg do that?
[04:44] <shadeslayer> no, dpkg just unpacked and installed everything
[04:44] <valorie> ol
[04:44] <valorie> ok, I mean
[04:44] <shadeslayer> the deb you downloaded is the binary package that was built by LP
[04:45] <valorie> so part of the point of that is that it says "X needs version 2.0 and you only have version 2.0"
[04:45] <valorie> that's crazy talk
[04:46] <shadeslayer> yeah
[04:46] <shadeslayer> it's clearly not reading the version correctly
[04:50] <valorie> I dunno if it is on-topic here or not, but I notice with this new computer -- in precise as well as now in Quantal, that when I select text, it no longer can be pasted with the double-buttons
[04:50] <valorie> is that a change in linux, in kubuntu, KDE, or just my touchpad?
[04:50] <shadeslayer> pasted with double buttons?
[04:50] <valorie> I miss it
[04:51] <valorie> it worked with my mouse as well as the old touchpad
[04:51] <valorie> both buttons pasted the last selected text
[04:51] <valorie> unless I went to the clipboard and selected something different
[04:52] <valorie> I hate having to control-C/control-V
[04:52] <shadeslayer> doesn't work here as well
[04:52] <valorie> instead of just select/paste
[04:52] <valorie> well, did it ever work for you?
[04:52] <shadeslayer> possibly it's because KDE changed their defaults
[04:52] <shadeslayer> yes it did earlier
[04:53] <valorie> it always has for me since the beginning of time
[04:53] <valorie> ok
[04:53] <shadeslayer> valorie: right click on the desktop > Settings > Mouse Actions
[04:53] <valorie> beginning of time=using linux
[04:53] <shadeslayer> set middle button to paste
[04:53] <valorie> which was KDE
[04:53] <valorie> cool!
[04:53] <valorie> danke schon
[04:54] <shadeslayer> though I still have to ctrl-C
[04:54] <shadeslayer> ah yes, works now
[04:54] <shadeslayer> valorie: np
[04:57] <valorie> so should I file a bug somewhere about that systemsettings error?
[04:57] <shadeslayer> valorie: maybe #ubuntu-x can help?
[04:58] <shadeslayer> I'm not too familiar with the X stack to comment reliably
[04:58] <shadeslayer> it's clearly not a bug in synaptiks since the version on precise and quantal is the same
[04:58] <shadeslayer> and it works in precise
[04:59] <valorie> I never tried it in precise, so can't say
[05:00] <valorie> I'll ask in -x and see what they say
[05:00] <valorie> thanks again
[05:00] <shadeslayer> np :)
[05:31] <jussi> shadeslayer: I some how broke something... telepathy isnt connecting any more (kopete does...)
[05:32] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[05:37] <shadeslayer> jussi: stop breaking things :P
[05:37] <shadeslayer> anywho
[05:37] <jussi> lol
[05:37] <shadeslayer> jussi: precise right? Try out 0.5.1
[05:37] <jussi> shadeslayer: deb location?
[05:38] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/nightly
[05:38] <shadeslayer> going to copy it to the official ppa after you test
[05:38] <shadeslayer> this will also break password protected rooms btw
[05:39] <shadeslayer> I'll patch 0.5.1 and send you the deb if 0.5.1 works for you
[05:39] <shadeslayer> ( will figure out how to make it dbus activated later today )
[05:42] <jussi> shadeslayer: I dont want to add the whole ppa if possible
[05:42] <shadeslayer> erm ... uh
[05:42] <shadeslayer> jussi: I'll copy to kde telepathy ppa then
[05:42] <shadeslayer> because it works just fine for me
[05:45] <shadeslayer> jussi: copying should be done soonish
[05:45] <jussi> ok
[07:12] <tsdgeos> Riddell: so the plan is adding the .mo to the packages now? (e.g. like to konversation-data?)
[07:53] <valorie> shadeslayer: one thing about that weird error message is that evidently we are very much behind the server for xinput
[07:54] <valorie> $ xinput --version
[07:54] <valorie> xinput version 1.6.0
[07:54] <valorie> XI version on server: 2.2
[07:57] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[07:58] <valorie> I see that our status has been postponed: investigate kde touchpad enabler for packaging/inclusion - find out what exactly this means and what it does and bleh
[07:58] <shadeslayer> hah
[07:58] <shadeslayer> that'd be apachelogger
[07:58] <valorie> so maybe that's why
[07:59] <valorie> lol
[08:00] <valorie> anyway, gonna file the bug against synaptiks in KDE and then someone will come over here and bug y'all to fix that
[08:00] <valorie> hopefull
[08:00] <valorie> u
[08:00] <valorie> y
[08:00] <valorie> sheesh
[08:04] <valorie> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189567
[08:04] <valorie> now off to doctor wholand
[08:11] <danimo> tsdgeos: ping?
[08:12] <tsdgeos> danimo: hi
[08:12] <danimo> tsdgeos:  I think I am facing an ubuntu-specific systray problem in my app
[08:13] <danimo> tsdgeos: some menu entries are not indented and not clickable
[08:13] <danimo> tsdgeos: as if they were meant as some kind of clever caption-separators
[08:13] <danimo> tsdgeos: (but I did not flag them as such)
[08:13] <tsdgeos> menu entries as in the menus that appear in the top level thing? or that appear in the indicator thing?
[08:14] <danimo> tsdgeos: sni
[08:15] <tsdgeos> don't really have much experience in that side to be honest, but if you create a launchpad bug and give me the bug # i can give it a look as i'm in "let's fix random distro bugs that polish experience" mode 
[08:17] <shadeslayer> tsdgeos: I didn't know you worked for Canonical, when did you join?
[08:17] <tsdgeos> shadeslayer: 1 year ago
[08:17] <shadeslayer> hm, must have missed it, what team?
[08:18] <tsdgeos> Product Strategy
[08:18] <danimo> tsdgeos: ok, will do later today
[08:18] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[08:18]  * danimo has to fix mac bugs first
[08:18] <tsdgeos> danimo: good luck :D
[08:19] <danimo> tsdgeos: tnx :)
[08:19] <danimo> tsdgeos: will be fun to see if I can make a screenshot of that
[08:25] <danimo> tsdgeos: what component would I file it against?
[08:26] <danimo> tsdgeos: just unity?
[08:26] <tsdgeos> hmmmm
[08:26] <tsdgeos> i guess just put it there 
[08:26] <tsdgeos> and then someone will move it to the appropiate place
[08:40] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes please order them
[08:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ok
[09:09] <Riddell> !testers
[09:09] <Riddell> new networkmanagement widget for the testing bug 1063422
[09:11] <Riddell> ScottK: how did calligra get on?
[09:28] <afiestas> guys, since when can we add a patch to bluedevil?
[09:28] <afiestas> it is a one liner, fixes "be able to send files"
[09:28] <afiestas> I'm going to release new versions today, but I know that packaging a new version is always a bigger deal
[09:28] <afiestas> so we can go on with a patch atm
[09:29] <Riddell> afiestas: if the new version is bugfix only that's fine to package
[09:29] <afiestas> Riddell: but can we make it into final 12.10 ?
[09:30] <Riddell> sure. if you're fast :
[09:30] <Riddell> freeze tomorrow
[09:30] <Riddell> :)
[09:30] <afiestas> heh, I should be able to release new versions today
[09:30] <afiestas> okiz :)
[09:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: new calligra, do you want me to package before freeze?
[09:36] <shadeslayer> (bug fix version that is )
[09:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: dunno ScottK was looking at it but it hasn't appeared in experimental ppa as he said
[09:37] <shadeslayer> okay
[09:50] <Riddell> Darkwing: are you able to update kubuntu-docs for translations this week?
[10:35] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [744812] FontConfig/Qt stack choke on Ubuntu Medium font meta-data (No medium in Inkscape and too bo... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/744812 (by Francois Thirioux)
[10:43] <Mamarok> Riddell: there are some changes that would improve Nepomuk indexing a lot: http://soliverez.com.ar/home/2012/10/nepomuk-not-indexing-a-large-home/
[10:43] <Mamarok> would this be possible for 12.10?
[10:43] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: it doesn't *improve* nepomuk afaik
[10:43] <vHanda> Basically increasing the inotify watcher limit
[10:43] <shadeslayer> ^
[10:44] <vHanda> shadeslayer: you're right. It fixes Nepomuk
[10:44] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: oh yes it does improve the indexing
[10:44] <vHanda> without it we're quite unusable
[10:44] <shadeslayer> what vHanda said :P
[10:44] <vHanda> so the word "improve" wouldn't be quite correct
[10:44] <Mamarok> so why did I have to do it manually?
[10:44] <Mamarok> this should be in Quantal by default
[10:46] <shadeslayer> raising the inotify limit is something that would need discussing with ubuntu, since it will most likely affect everyone
[10:47] <Mamarok> well, I am sure other apps would improve as well
[10:48] <shadeslayer> vHanda: is there a chance that raising the inotify limit would adversely impact other apps?
[10:49] <Riddell> hmm, I remember doing this many years ago
[10:49] <smartboyhw> years?:D
[10:50] <Mamarok> smartboyhw: years ago the default inotify limit was so low nobody could work decently
[10:51] <smartboyhw> eee
[10:54] <vHanda> shadeslayer: not that I know of
[10:54] <Riddell> from the comments on that blog " I did something similar on my desktop, and certain packages (*cough* mediatomb *cough*) allocate memory based upon how many watches a user can open."
[10:55] <Riddell> but I've no idea what mediatomb is so it's not important :)
[10:55] <yofel_> hmm...
[10:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: UPnP server
[10:55] <yofel_> and to what should that be set? We already have
[10:55] <yofel_> /etc/sysctl.d/30-nepomuk-inotify-limit.conf:fs.inotify.max_user_watches = 524288
[10:56] <vHanda> Riddell: well that behavior is retarded.
[10:56] <vHanda> They should fix it
[10:56] <shadeslayer> vHanda: what would you recommend as the default inotify limit?
[10:56] <Riddell> yofel_: ah hah that's the one I was half-remembering
[11:01] <vHanda> shadeslayer: it's hard to say
[11:01] <vHanda> we need as many as the number of directories
[11:01] <yofel_> Mamarok: to what value did you set it?
[11:01] <vHanda> so '524288' should be enough
[11:02] <Mamarok> I set it to 600000 for me, but vHanda know better :)
[11:03] <yofel_> that's not much higher than our value, so I'm wondering how that could've impoved indexing for you o.O
[11:03] <vHanda> we need 1 per directory, other applications may require some as well
[11:03] <yofel_> unless you have really MANY folders
[11:03] <vHanda> yofel_: we also have a retarded all or nothing approach - If inotify limit is exceeded
[11:04] <vHanda> then we rely on kio and remove all our watches
[11:04] <yofel_> >.>
[11:04] <vHanda> cause otherwise we would be breaking other application
[11:04] <vHanda> by consuming all the watches
[11:04] <shadeslayer> heh
[11:04] <vHanda> It's not polite :)
[11:14] <Darkwing> Riddell: Yes, I'll be able to take care of that this week. :D
[11:14] <Riddell> great
[11:16] <Darkwing> Wow, it's cold. -1C
[11:37] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [744812] FontConfig/Qt stack choke on Ubuntu Medium font meta-data (No medium in Inkscape and too bo... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/744812 (by Francois Thirioux)
[12:31] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[14:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: +1 on stickers if that still is needed
[14:59] <apachelogger> afiestas, Riddell: about touchpad enabler thing work item ... assigned to kubuntu-dev means no one to ask
[14:59] <apachelogger> also once again I'd argue that the WI in general is crap as that is why I added the note about not knowing what the WI is about to begin with
[15:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: usb-creator should work(tm), but needs a maintainer :/
[15:01] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bout the dragon leak ... looks a lot like a gst leak TBH, though I do happent o know crap leaks somewhere in dragon/phonon, not that excessively tho
[15:02] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: fixed in next release: "ooh, symptom, when I run dragon and then close it, a window playing the file from the beginning again shows (with no UI elements other than the video) and then closes"
[15:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: also I still need to watch the doctors :S
[15:03]  * apachelogger was the sick
[15:03] <debfx> has anyone used kde-config-touchpad recently? there are a number of bug reports in LP and it doesn't look very maintained upstream :(
[15:47] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: impressive pong response. :P hope you feel better soon
[15:53] <ScottK> Riddell: It's in ninjas since it's not publically released until wed.
[15:53] <ScottK> shadeslayer: ^^^
[15:55] <Riddell> ScottK: oh I see, I don't actually bother observing the release embargoes on calligra, too much effort in my opinion, and in this case it'll be easier to get it in the archive today than on wednesday
[15:56] <ScottK> Riddell: Dunno if you're subscribed to Bug 1048600 or not, but sabdfl had a question it's probably easiest for you to answer since you've done Ubuntu font testing before.
[15:57] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  Freel free to grab it an upload then.  I've got some other stuff to attend to.  I didn't get the translations thing to work either.
[15:57] <ScottK> shadeslayer: What really needs doing for calligra is an l10n update.
[15:57] <ScottK> (it's two releases behind now)
[16:01] <afiestas> apachelogger: WI ? waht's that?
[16:02] <Riddell> work item, the one line list of things to do we write at UDS
[16:02] <Riddell> being one line means the meaning of them can get lost sometimes
[16:03] <apachelogger> google "kde touchpad enabler" :P
[16:11] <tsdgeos> apachelogger: what's up with the touchpad enabler?
[16:13] <apachelogger> tsdgeos: I do not know what it is and afiestas complains that I do not know and subsequently postponed the item after feature freeze :P
[16:14] <tsdgeos> nice thing i compiled it myself then :-)
[16:14] <afiestas> apachelogger: I complain  that I thought "it was going to be in" this cicle andf it is not
[16:14] <afiestas> and the only apparent reasonis you didn't get it
[16:14] <afiestas> which is finde, but dude ask me or tsdgeos (developer of it)
[16:14] <afiestas> now we will have o wait 6 months :/
[16:15] <apachelogger> yeah
[16:15] <apachelogger> as I said
[16:15] <apachelogger> assign WIs to people
[16:15] <apachelogger> if WIs are not assinged to anyone it is hard to ask
[16:16] <afiestas> okz, can't comment on how kubuntu works, just I was really shocked of the "I don't get it blablabla" if it wasn't the real reason
[16:16] <afiestas> but the real reason is "WI are not assigned to anyone" then it's fine
[16:17] <apachelogger> afiestas: it's "I did not know and did not know whom to ask both because the WI is crap" ;)
[16:17] <apachelogger> but yeah
[16:17] <apachelogger> we really should try to always have WIs assigned to someone
[16:17] <apachelogger> it's not like that person will have to do them, but they'd be in charge of makign someone else do it OR be a point of reference for people who'd want to work on it and need more info
[16:19] <Tm_T> apachelogger: that
[16:20] <Tm_T> there's a reason why at work our ticketing system doesn't allow them being unassigned
[16:20] <afiestas> apachelogger: and if you were that person, why didn't you asked?
[16:24] <apachelogger> I asked in here -> ENOREPLY
[16:55] <BluesKaj> hmm, starting to see problems with grub recognizing windows installs on GPT partition tables with dual boot installations ... been doing some research and I wonder if there's a standard method established for this circumstance.
[23:11] <ScottK> Riddell: I accepted calligra-l10n.  Thanks.  Are you going to upload calligra too?  I'm on airport wifi, so no way I can.  If you can upload in the next 20 minutes or so though, I can accept it.
[23:16] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[23:16] <Riddell> ScottK: yes it's up
[23:16] <ScottK> Just saw it.
[23:17] <ScottK> It's in.