[02:22] <Gosy> hm
[03:03] <Dice-Man> hi people
[03:03] <IboS> hi
[03:03] <IboS> i have a problem with conky on lubuntu
[03:03] <IboS> it doesn't launch
[03:03] <IboS> it doesn't show anything
[03:04] <IboS> i launch conky
[03:04] <IboS> it says conky:desktop window (number) is subwindows of root window (number)
[03:29] <kanliot> since lubuntu doesn't use compositing, you need a special conky config
[08:43] <cristian_c> Hi
[08:43] <cristian_c> I'm looking for the lubuntu developers mailing list
[08:43] <cristian_c> but I don't find it :(
[08:55] <JohnDoe_71Rus> launchpad ubuntu team is not they?
[08:55] <JohnDoe_71Rus> sorry lubuntu
[08:59] <cristian_c> JohnDoe_71Rus, I was told to write to their mailing list :)
[09:19] <cristian_c> JohnDoe_71Rus, but I don't know what mailing list the launchpad lubuntu team uses
[12:10] <Gosy> howdy y'all
[12:21] <KJDHS> Hello, can i get some help here ? :) i accidentally deleted my desktop folder
[12:23] <kanliot> How did you delete it
[12:23] <KJDHS> in my home user foler
[12:23] <KJDHS> folder*
[12:23] <kanliot> was it file manager
[12:24] <KJDHS> no, just "Desktop"
[12:24] <kanliot> was it moved to trashcan
[12:24] <KJDHS> and now everything on the actual desktop appears in my user folder
[12:24] <kanliot> in pcmanfm?
[12:25] <KJDHS> yes but i emptied the trashcan
[12:25] <kanliot> is your problem recreating a "Desktop" folder
[12:25] <KJDHS> the file manager is working
[12:25] <kanliot> or something with pcmanfm
[12:25] <KJDHS> yes, exactly
[12:25] <KJDHS> recreating the "desktop" folder is the problem
[12:25] <kanliot> just create a "Desktop" folder in your home folder
[12:26] <kanliot> mind the capital letter
[12:26] <KJDHS> it doesn't work properly, it appears on the desktop aswel, and everything i create on the desktop appears along side with it
[12:26] <KJDHS> on the user folder
[12:27] <kanliot> are you sure you created the folder correctly?
[12:27] <kanliot> logouty and login to restart pcmanfm
[12:27] <kanliot> or just restart it if you know how
[12:28] <KJDHS> pcmanfm the file manager is working great
[12:29] <kanliot> you need to restart the program that shows files on the desktop. no?
[12:29] <KJDHS> no, the problem is that...now if i create a shortcut on my desktop, it appears the shortcut on my user folder instead in the "desktop" folder
[12:30] <kanliot> i need you to restart the pcmanfm desktop
[12:30] <KJDHS> and if i create in my user folder, a folder named "Desktop" then it appears that too on my actual Desktop
[12:30] <kanliot> ^
[12:31] <KJDHS> how do i restart pcmanfm desktop ? :)
[12:31] <kanliot> logout is easy
[12:31] <KJDHS> i did that already, it did not work
[12:33] <kanliot> hold on i will delete my dekstop folder
[12:34] <KJDHS> ok..
[12:35] <kanliot> does it give you a "specified directory is invalid" error?
[12:35] <KJDHS> no
[12:35] <KJDHS> my user folder now is acting just like the desktop folder which i deleted
[12:40] <KJDHS> i had "specified directory is invalid" errors about the shortcuts i had on desktop, since they were deleted
[12:41] <Zephyrus1> test
[12:43] <kanliot> please edit ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
[12:43] <kanliot> the first XDG_ line
[12:44] <kanliot> is that too technical?
[12:44] <kanliot> brb
[12:44] <KJDHS> ok
[12:58] <KJDHS> brb
[13:21] <KJDHS> i am back, kanliot...the problem is fixed, if you want to know how let me know
[13:22] <kanliot> hhow
[13:23] <KJDHS> open up a lxterminal
[13:24] <KJDHS> write in it gedit ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
[13:25] <KJDHS> modifiy the first line into this
[13:25] <KJDHS> XDG_DESKTOP_DIR="$HOME/Desktop"
[13:25] <KJDHS> just write at the end after the slash Desktop
[13:25] <KJDHS> save it
[13:25] <KJDHS> and then create a desktop folder in your user folder, it will appear aswel for the moment on your desktop
[13:25] <KJDHS> restart your pc
[13:26] <KJDHS> and yuou are done, it will disappear from your desktop
[13:26] <KJDHS> you*
[13:26] <kanliot> k
[13:27] <kanliot> i put some instructions on the pcmanfm wiki page
[13:30] <KJDHS> well...i'm glad that it's alright now..
[13:30] <KJDHS> thanks for the help
[13:30] <kanliot> you're welcome
[13:32] <KJDHS> bye kanliot
[13:40] <bennypr0fane> hello, I have dialogs popping up out of proportion, too large so the buttons are off the screen. How can I make these smaller?
[13:42] <bennypr0fane> there is one in Opera browser for activating Opera Link. the dialog for this has its buttons ("next, "cancel") at the bottom, but i can't see them
[13:43] <kanliot> you can drag with window with alt+mouse button
[13:44] <bennypr0fane> ha, cool!
[13:44] <Zephyrus1> Hello
[13:44] <Zephyrus1> I've got a question
[13:44] <kanliot> hi
[13:45] <kanliot> i knew that
[13:45] <bennypr0fane> hi Zephyrus1, go ahead
[13:45] <Zephyrus1> :D
[13:45] <Zephyrus1> i reinstalled lubuntu yesterday
[13:45] <Zephyrus1> and now instead of the grub loader
[13:45] <bennypr0fane> maybe I can resize windows with a key combo?
[13:45] <Zephyrus1> i always get a page where i can choose from what to boot
[13:46] <Zephyrus1> and one of them is 'ubuntu' and the others hdd usb etc
[13:46] <Zephyrus1> and i cant boot from there
[13:46] <Zephyrus1> i have to choose hdd first
[13:46] <Zephyrus1> which doesn't work
[13:46] <Zephyrus1> and then esc
[13:46] <Zephyrus1> and then it boots
[13:46] <kanliot> grub 1.99?
[13:47] <Zephyrus1> im not sure
[13:47] <kanliot> fixing grub can be easy
[13:48] <kanliot> but it's hard to understand
[13:48] <kanliot> well hard for me anyhow
[13:48] <Zephyrus1> how can i make a screen shot
[13:48] <bennypr0fane> grub doesn't usually give you the choice of a boot MEDIUM
[13:48] <Zephyrus1> i know
[13:48] <Zephyrus1> its not the grub screen
[13:48] <Zephyrus1> it looks like bios
[13:48] <Zephyrus1> but its not biossettings
[13:48] <bennypr0fane> Zephyrus1 id on't think you can make a screenshot before booting
[13:48] <bennypr0fane> you'd have to take a photo
[13:49] <Zephyrus1> yes i mean of the current screen
[13:49] <kanliot> use a camera
[13:49] <Zephyrus1> ill just copypaste
[13:49] <Zephyrus1> sudo grub-install /dev/sda
[13:49] <Zephyrus1> [sudo] password for user:
[13:49] <Zephyrus1> BootCurrent: 0010
[13:49] <Zephyrus1> Timeout: 0 seconds
[13:49] <Zephyrus1> BootOrder: 000D,000B,0007,0008,0009,000A,000E,000C,0006
[13:49] <bennypr0fane> use pastebin.com
[13:50] <Zephyrus1> there i went
[13:50] <bennypr0fane> kanliot you know about key combos and how to set them?
[13:50] <Zephyrus1> sry i was thrown out because of spam ^^
[13:50] <bennypr0fane> Zeph use pastebin.com
[13:50] <Zephyrus1> k
[13:50] <bennypr0fane> spammer!
[13:51] <bennypr0fane> :-P
[13:51] <bennypr0fane> kidding
[13:51] <kanliot> bennypr0fane, i put it on the wiki
[13:51] <Zephyrus1> http://pastebin.com/ATwQg7TG
[13:51] <kanliot> if you could test the wiki for me i'd be thankful
[13:52] <Zephyrus1> so you can see it lists drives and cd etc
[13:52] <kanliot> or i can just tell you
[13:52] <kanliot> up to you
[13:52] <Zephyrus1> and then at the bottom: ubuntu
[13:52] <Zephyrus1> and ill guess ill quickly make a photo from the boot screen
[13:52] <Zephyrus1> so ll be gone for another few minutes
[13:52] <bennypr0fane> the lubuntu wiki? just give me a link
[13:53] <kanliot> should be on google search
[13:53] <kanliot> i'm not playing with you, i want to see if you can find it
[13:53] <kanliot> like i said i'll give you the info
[13:53] <kanliot> if you can find it, then the wiki is ok...
[13:53] <bennypr0fane> ok
[13:54] <bennypr0fane> I'll try "lubuntu key combos"
[13:54] <kanliot> naa search for lubuntu wiki
[13:56] <bennypr0fane> of course that gets me to the wiki
[13:56] <bennypr0fane> why shouldn't it?
[13:56] <bennypr0fane> is that the whole test or did you want to check sht else?
[13:57] <bennypr0fane> *sth. else
[13:57] <kanliot> can you find the keyboard stuff on the lubuntu wiki?
[13:57] <bennypr0fane> it's the 2nd link in Googl and 1st in Duckduckgo
[13:58] <bennypr0fane> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Keyboard
[13:58] <kanliot> anyhow you have the option of editing the openbox config, doing xbindkeys, or by using obkey
[13:58] <bennypr0fane> clicked throug the headlines
[13:59] <kanliot> ok
[13:59] <bennypr0fane> it's cool
[13:59] <bennypr0fane> not every wiki you can actually find a topic that way
[13:59] <bennypr0fane> so well done
[14:00] <bennypr0fane> i think I did xbindkeys yesterday i found it confusing
[14:00] <bennypr0fane> whats obkey?
[14:00] <kanliot> it's a simple utility that let's you bind keys
[14:00] <bennypr0fane> ah, it's right there in the wiki
[14:01] <Zephyrus1> hello again
[14:02] <Zephyrus1> so this is odd
[14:02] <bennypr0fane> preferences>keybd inup
[14:02] <bennypr0fane> *>keybd input methods?
[14:02] <Zephyrus1> I actually have ubuntu as an option in my biossetup
[14:02] <kanliot> obkey?
[14:02] <bennypr0fane> that gets me to ibus service
[14:02] <Zephyrus1> *bootoption
[14:03] <kanliot> sorry i'm newb at grub2
[14:03] <kanliot> #ubuntu or forums...
[14:03] <bennypr0fane> no, obkey not installed, i think
[14:03] <Zephyrus1> yeah i 'fixed' it
[14:03] <Zephyrus1> http://imgur.com/geWt6
[14:03] <kanliot> no input methods not what you want
[14:04] <Zephyrus1> by moving it under the hd option
[14:04] <kanliot> :)
[14:04] <kanliot> good Zephyrus1
[14:04] <Zephyrus1> so now it just loads grub normally instead
[14:04] <bennypr0fane> Zeph but what happened to your grub?
[14:04] <bennypr0fane> aha
[14:04] <Zephyrus1> its not the grub making problems
[14:04] <Zephyrus1> i think its due to ubuntu being a device option in my bios
[14:05] <Zephyrus1> and when thats choosen as the first boot option
[14:05] <Zephyrus1> i get this error
[14:05] <kanliot> i don't even know why ubuntuy is there
[14:05] <kanliot> do you have a flash drive inserted?
[14:05] <Zephyrus1> http://imgur.com/Y6ayT
[14:05] <Zephyrus1> no, not anymore, but i used usb to install lubuntu
[14:06] <bennypr0fane> this is weird
[14:06] <kanliot> i thought i knew bios
[14:06] <kanliot> but i evidently do not
[14:06] <bennypr0fane> it means that bios must think ubuntu is a medium/device
[14:06] <Zephyrus1> and you can't really google efficiently for: 'ubuntu in bios boot devices'
[14:07] <bennypr0fane> so the solution is you just don't choose that to boot, but your hdd?
[14:07] <kanliot> nope
[14:08] <Zephyrus1> yes
[14:08] <Zephyrus1> i put it at top
[14:08] <Zephyrus1> and it just goes to the grubscreen
[14:08] <bennypr0fane> kanliot lxkeymap is not it either, is it? then where is this xbindkeys?
[14:08] <silverarrow> usb boot can be a bit fickely
[14:09] <bennypr0fane> "fickely"? :-D
[14:09] <bennypr0fane> is it cli?
[14:09] <Zephyrus1> apparently it has something to do with EFI
[14:09] <silverarrow> yeah, biosetting, getting the iso correctly on the flash, ....
[14:10] <kanliot> try obkey, then editing openbox by hand
[14:10] <kanliot> then xbindkeys
[14:10] <kanliot> in order of difficulty
[14:10] <bennypr0fane> aha
[14:10] <bennypr0fane> ok
[14:10] <kanliot> although someone will come in here and say xbindkeys is easier
[14:10] <kanliot> i know it
[14:12] <Zephyrus1> iwell ty anyways, it's working now ;)
[14:12] <bennypr0fane> good
[14:13] <Zephyrus1> goodbye
[14:13] <bennypr0fane> you should e-mail Canonical
[14:13] <Zephyrus1> me?
[14:13] <bennypr0fane> yeah
[14:13] <Zephyrus1> Ok
[14:13] <bennypr0fane> tell em the UEFI secure boot problem is solved
[14:13] <bennypr0fane> you just let Bios boot right to Ubuntu!
[14:13] <bennypr0fane> :-D
[14:14] <Zephyrus1> haxx
[14:14] <Zephyrus1> :P
[14:14] <Zephyrus1> im just ignoring the problem, i know
[14:14] <Zephyrus1> ^^
[14:14] <bennypr0fane> have a good day!
[14:14] <Zephyrus1> you too
[14:16] <bennypr0fane> obkey can't find ~/.config/openbox/rc.xml file
[14:16] <bennypr0fane> is that supposed to be there? should i create it?
[14:17] <kanliot> nope
[14:17] <kanliot> it's a file called lubuntu something.xml
[14:17] <kanliot> lubuntu-rc.xml
[14:17] <bennypr0fane> obkey lets me edit that?
[14:17] <kanliot> i donno
[14:18] <bennypr0fane> I mean is lubuntu-rc.xml supposed to be there already, or do I need to create it?
[14:19] <kanliot> should be there
[14:19] <kanliot> must be there
[14:20] <bennypr0fane> where exactly?
[14:21] <kanliot> ~/.config/openbox
[14:21] <kanliot> in that directory
[14:21] <bennypr0fane> http://pastebin.com/YKLaTqmv
[14:23] <bennypr0fane> I'm sortry, I don't know what the ~ means in front of the /
[14:24] <kanliot> it means home dir
[14:25] <kanliot> you see it in your bash prompt
[14:27] <kanliot> actually it works with obkey ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml
[14:27] <bennypr0fane> yay!
[14:29] <kanliot> i'm making wiki edits as you make progress :)
[14:29] <kanliot> about 4 edits so far
[14:30] <bennypr0fane> cool
[14:31] <kanliot> yup
[14:32] <bennypr0fane>  i *dded * keybind now
[14:33] <bennypr0fane> result * key (first letter of *lph*bet) resizes the *ctive window!
[14:33] <bennypr0fane> trying to undo this now...
[14:35] <bennypr0fane> ok got rid of that
[14:36] <bennypr0fane> apparently if you press "add new sibling keybind", its' assigned the a-key by default, and takes effect if you don't change it
[14:37] <bennypr0fane> I want to assign "resize active window" to Shift+Pagedown
[14:39] <kanliot> should be ok
[14:39] <kanliot> there's a resize function
[14:39] <bennypr0fane> not working
[14:39] <bennypr0fane> it does nothing
[14:39] <kanliot> you probably didn't do openbox --reconfigure
[14:39] <kanliot> after saving
[14:39] <bennypr0fane> did not
[14:39] <bennypr0fane> where is that
[14:40] <bennypr0fane> oh in the terminal
[14:41] <kanliot> yup
[14:41] <kanliot> man openbox
[14:41] <bennypr0fane> still nothing
[14:42] <bennypr0fane> save, close obkey, openbox --reconfigure, no effect
[14:43] <bennypr0fane> what's with the "edge" setting in top right? what's it refer to?
[14:43] <kanliot> yeah was looking at that
[14:43] <bennypr0fane> *top right of obkey
[14:44] <kanliot> snack time
[14:44] <bennypr0fane> I think the obkey guys should add the info about doing openbox --reconfigure afterwards
[14:44] <bennypr0fane> yeah, good call
[14:45] <kanliot> yeah well i didn't see any obkey docs at all
[14:45] <kanliot> can't complain if they don't exist
[15:01] <kanliot> http://openbox.org/wiki/Help:Actions#Resize
[15:02] <kanliot> openbox actually has fine dox
[16:59] <cowmix> I asked this last night so sorry for the repeat but does anyone know how to prevent Lubuntu desktop from loading on boot up?
[17:00] <bioterror> and I told to use "text" on grubs kernel line
[17:00] <bioterror> and I think so did holstein too
[17:00] <cowmix> bioterror: Yeah, i wish that worked.. I'll figure it out and post back
[17:01] <bioterror> why it would not work?
[17:01] <bioterror> after the "ro" you add "text" without ""
[17:01] <bioterror> probably there's quiet too
[17:02] <cowmix> for some odd reason no matter what I do, it boots into X.
[17:02] <cowmix> I'm going to reinstall and start fresh
[17:02] <bioterror> it will not boot into X if you use this "text"
[17:04] <bioterror> you can try it first from grub
[17:18] <___Dice-Man___> kanliot: ping ?
[18:08] <IboS> kanliot: hey
[18:09] <IboS> kanliot: i've read your message can be more precise about this special config of conky in lubuntu ?
[20:13] <pmatulis> i don't get thumbnails showing up in the file manager (pcmanfm) for .MOV files.  anybody have a clue?  using 12.10 if it matters
[20:13] <wxl> pmatulis: know where i can find one?
[20:14] <pmatulis> wxl: find one what?
[20:14] <wxl> a .mov
[20:14] <pmatulis> wxl: sure, 'touch test.mov', no?
[20:14] <wxl> not sure that will work
[20:14] <wxl> might read headers, metadata, etc. to determine thumbnails
[20:15] <pmatulis> ha, prolly.  dunno then.  maybe google and d/l a small one
[20:15] <pmatulis> let me check
[20:17] <wxl> pmatulis: and when you say thumbnails you mean that it appears as a video file or thumbnails meaning it appears as a screenshot?
[20:17] <wxl> (to be clear)
[20:19] <bioterror> probably becouse of filesize
[20:19] <bioterror> grow the thumbnail filesize for local files
[20:19] <wxl> cuz i do see a video-specific thumbnail
[20:19] <wxl> s/thumbnail/icon/
[20:20] <pmatulis> bioterror: i have a 600 kB file but it does not show
[20:20] <wxl> pmatulis: you still haven't answered my question
[20:21] <pibarnas> have you checked tumbler?
[20:21] <pmatulis> wxl: getting there.  it shows a generic icon (roll of video film)
[20:21] <wxl> pmatulis: and that's not what you want?
[20:21] <pmatulis> wxl: but it plays (in vlc)
[20:21] <wxl> it appears on my end that's all you get :)
[20:22] <pmatulis> wxl: well in straight ubuntu i got a thumbnail.  first frame?
[20:22] <wxl> lubuntu != ubuntu
[20:22] <wxl> pcmanfm != nautilus
[20:22] <wxl> need i go on?
[20:22] <pmatulis> wxl: really?  wow.  lubuntu is not ubuntu?
[20:22] <pmatulis> wxl: i'd rather have a more technical reason
[20:23] <pmatulis> wxl: if you would oblige
[20:23] <pmatulis> wxl: and it's logical.  how does one choose what video to play?
[20:24] <wxl> well, #1 you need to realize that what you want to have or what you think should be isn't necessarily what is
[20:24] <wxl> for example, many people think lubuntu's choice of mail client is atrocious
[20:25] <pmatulis> wxl: yeah i zap that thing pretty quick
[20:28] <wxl> i don't know that video thumbnailing is supported to be frank
[20:28] <pmatulis> if not having a directory full of identical icons and nonsensical filenames is considered a feature request then if we had a technical reason maybe it can be brought in eventually
[20:29] <pmatulis> wxl: but thanks for confirming that there is nothing borked on my end
[20:29] <wxl> yeps
[20:30] <wxl> there's little things missing here and there
[20:30] <wxl> a bug report will go a long way in ensuring that we get them all taken care of
[20:30] <pmatulis> wxl: will submit
[20:30] <wxl> file it against pcmanfm if not obvious
[20:30] <wxl> i'll confirm it
[20:30] <pmatulis> k
[20:31] <Unit193> wxl: Main tracker is on SF.net.
[20:31] <wxl> true enough, i'll take care of sticking upstream on there, Unit193
[20:31] <wxl> or erp
[20:32] <wxl> good point, yeah both would be good…
[21:49] <pmatulis> wxl: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/+bug/1064089
[21:54] <wxl> pmatulis: thx it'll pop up in my inbox anywho ;)
[21:55] <pmatulis> wxl: y/w bro
[23:17] <pmatulis> wow, i hate the fact that you can open 2 firefox windows but they both close when you shut one down
[23:21] <redderhs> pmatulis: that doesn't happen to me..
[23:21] <pmatulis> redderhs: what release?
[23:22] <redderhs> 15.01: mozilla firefox for ubuntu canoncial - 1.0
[23:22] <pmatulis> redderhs: i mean lubuntu release
[23:22] <redderhs> 12.04
[23:22] <redderhs> x64
[23:23] <pmatulis> redderhs: k, 12.10 here.  i wonder if i should open a bug
[23:23] <pmatulis> it's definitly a bad thing
[23:24] <redderhs> use 12.04 its the long term support..
[23:24] <pmatulis> so?
[23:24] <redderhs> for the most part the build is very stable and i have very little to complain about
[23:24] <pmatulis> lts on the destkop is retarted IMO
[23:25] <pmatulis> in the enterprise it makes sense
[23:26] <redderhs> think of it as stable and svn
[23:26] <jude0> Any idea why running xinit with sudo blows up user's home directory requiring re-chmod/grp ing to fix? Has anyone else tried sudo xinit to a remote x server and had issues? I was connecting to a raspberry pi originally but it also seemed not to work to other linux systems. Bug?
[23:26] <pmatulis> redderhs: what is svn again?
[23:26] <jude0> subversion
[23:27] <pmatulis> redderhs: so how does that relate to LTS again?
[23:28] <redderhs> subversion
[23:28] <redderhs> thats the way i see it
[23:28] <redderhs> lts is stable usually
[23:28] <jude0> @pmatulis if you are talking to me, i have not had issues with xinit on other debians
[23:28] <pmatulis> redderhs: how does subversion releate to an LTS release?
[23:29] <redderhs> its my own personal opinion.
[23:31] <pmatulis> redderhs: alrigthy