| DangerM | Bit quiet in here | 00:22 |
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| darkxst | oh crap, libreoffice menu bars are gone again | 01:55 |
| everaldo | good morning | 14:59 |
| smartboyhw | good evening (almost night) everaldo | 15:00 |
| everaldo | I really need to change my internet company, 8 hours without internet access :( | 15:00 |
| everaldo | looks like a week | 15:00 |
| smartboyhw | everaldo, eh do so:D | 15:01 |
| jbicha | hi | 15:04 |
| everaldo | just finishing slideshow | 15:06 |
| everaldo | a little hard to have something good withou any text | 15:06 |
| smartboyhw | everaldo, oooh? | 15:06 |
| * smartboyhw congrats everaldo | 15:06 | |
| everaldo | jbicha, is there something that prevent us to have the gnome foot logo on one of our slides? | 16:59 |
| jbicha | everaldo: I don't think so | 17:19 |
| jbicha | but there are restrictions on how it can be used | 17:20 |
| everaldo | darkxst, what looks better? | 18:40 |
| everaldo | http://imagebin.org/231303 | 18:40 |
| everaldo | or | 18:40 |
| everaldo | http://imagebin.org/231304 | 18:40 |
| everaldo | without text is really hard to get it to be nice :( | 18:41 |
| darkxst | everaldo, I guess the second one | 18:49 |
| darkxst | but you could almost drop the header and make the screenshot bigger? | 18:49 |
| everaldo | darkxst, yes, I can but it will be diferent from first slide | 18:50 |
| everaldo | let me show first one | 18:50 |
| everaldo | first: http://imagebin.org/231307 | 18:51 |
| everaldo | and second: http://imagebin.org/231308 | 18:51 |
| everaldo | first and last have same layout | 18:51 |
| everaldo | this is the last slide: http://imagebin.org/231309 | 18:52 |
| everaldo | darkxst, after first one shows only screenshots without headers? | 18:59 |
| darkxst | everaldo, yeh, atleast try it and see how it looks | 19:00 |
| everaldo | darkxst, don't looks to nice without header, transition looks to be abrupt | 19:04 |
| darkxst | ok | 19:04 |
| everaldo | also, all other distros slideshow have a header | 19:05 |
| everaldo | I am not happy with this no text slides | 19:05 |
| darkxst | make the screenshot take up all the space below the header perhaps? | 19:05 |
| everaldo | let me try | 19:06 |
| darkxst | jbicha, so I bought back gdmflexiserver, atleast can now switch users from unity/classic | 19:10 |
| everaldo | darkxst, dimensions are not the same of remaining space and we can't change the size of window | 19:10 |
| darkxst | everaldo, take screenshots at that dimension? | 19:11 |
| everaldo | darkxst, the best layout is this (IMHO) http://imagebin.org/231313 | 19:11 |
| everaldo | darkxst, I can take some screenshots on same dimension but not all, as example gnome-shell must be a fullscreen screenshot | 19:12 |
| jbicha | darkxst: yes I saw your bug, waiting to see if the patch will be committed or not | 19:13 |
| everaldo | jbicha, darkxst, is it so bad to don't have slideshow translations on first Ubunut GNOME ? | 19:13 |
| everaldo | slides with text looks so much better | 19:13 |
| jbicha | everaldo: yes, this release is a bit of a preview release, there are still major bugs and some of them just won't be fixable for 12.10 | 19:15 |
| jbicha | it is a good release though and we've done a lot of good work | 19:15 |
| everaldo | jbicha, so, can we have some untranslated slides? | 19:16 |
| jbicha | I don't think that's a good idea | 19:19 |
| jbicha | I think we should try to follow the translation deadline rules, if we want to apply to be an official flavor | 19:20 |
| everaldo | jbicha, deadline is tomorow, do you think that anyone will translate it today? | 19:21 |
| jbicha | everaldo: how? the slideshow isn't even finished yet, and then the upload will need to be manually approved | 19:22 |
| jbicha | and the deadline is today | 19:22 |
| jbicha | tomorrow morning is like at 5 am my time and I'm not waking up then to do a release | 19:22 |
| jbicha | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TranslationDeadline | 19:23 |
| everaldo | jbicha, so, only two options, I have some slides with texts that looks very nice and some slides with only images that I don't like too much like this: http://imagebin.org/231304 | 19:24 |
| everaldo | we must choose one of options | 19:24 |
| everaldo | we are more like http://imagebin.org/231313 or http://imagebin.org/231304 | 19:25 |
| everaldo | except to the first http://imagebin.org/231307 and last http://imagebin.org/231309 | 19:26 |
| jbicha | everaldo: well the status quo as of this weekend is no slideshow at all | 19:29 |
| jbicha | it's possible to have just screenshots/art without text | 19:29 |
| everaldo | jbicha, like this http://imagebin.org/231304 | 19:30 |
| everaldo | ? | 19:30 |
| jbicha | text is tricky | 19:31 |
| everaldo | and we have slideshow, just need to choose between text or no text, as I said, I do prefer with text but. | 19:32 |
| jbicha | http://www.gnome.org/gnome-3/ and http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.6/ don't say "GNOME Shell" | 19:32 |
| everaldo | also, I showed at least 8 different slides here, so we have a slideshow | 19:32 |
| everaldo | ok, let me show the complete set, commit and we can discuss better | 19:34 |
| darkxst | jbicha, are you going to merge my user menu suspend fix before freeze? (its quite a nasty bug!) | 20:10 |
| jbicha | darkxst: can you paste the link again? | 20:15 |
| darkxst | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1063110 | 20:15 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1063110 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "ubuntu lock on suspend option breaks when suspending via userMenu" [Undecided,New] | 20:15 |
| everaldo | jbicha, darkxst, I just commit my first text version of slides to lp:~ecanuto/ubuntu/quantal/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ubuntu-gnome | 20:22 |
| everaldo | also, you can see an animated gif showing all slides on: http://imagebin.org/231323 | 20:22 |
| everaldo | jbicha, I just still working to try get something without text beause you guys sugested but the status quo as of this weekend is not slideshow at all | 20:24 |
| darkxst | everaldo, documents is not included | 20:25 |
| everaldo | darkxst, yes, and new Nautilus is also not included, that is why I don't like the idea to use http://www.gnome.org/gnome-3/ | 20:27 |
| everaldo | darkxst, as I said, it was my first version and that is why I still searching for somethings without text | 20:28 |
| everaldo | also I did a lot of experiences that I showed here | 20:28 |
| everaldo | you guys just need to choose clearly one way then I make 6~10 slides with/without images in center/left/right, full/partial size | 20:29 |
| darkxst | everaldo, just do whatever you think looks best (with no text of course) | 20:41 |
| jbicha | everaldo: sorry for the delay, a few different people talking to me | 20:41 |
| everaldo | for me still looks better with text (we can change some images like the one with Documents) | 20:42 |
| everaldo | without text | 20:42 |
| everaldo | no options looks to be ok because at least we have headers | 20:42 |
| everaldo | the option is to just put the software name on the header and screenshot like in one of versions that I showed | 20:43 |
| jbicha | everaldo: your latest slideshow on the branch adds a bunch of text | 20:44 |
| everaldo | jbicha, I know, it is just the old one, not my current work in progress, it is just to show that we had something on weekend but I just did not commit | 20:44 |
| jbicha | ok | 20:44 |
| everaldo | jbicha, the current work in progress is something like this: http://imagebin.org/231304 | 20:46 |
| everaldo | just image without header don't fit the window and we cant resize the window | 20:48 |
| everaldo | :( | 20:48 |
| darkxst | why can't we resize window? | 20:51 |
| jbicha | everaldo: yeah, that'll do but I think the title should be Ubuntu GNOME or Ubuntu GNOME Remix | 20:51 |
| everaldo | jbicha, for all slides? | 20:51 |
| everaldo | darkxst, because it will not fit well the installer | 20:52 |
| jbicha | everaldo: did you want to do the changes to the debian/ directory also? changelog, control and the .install | 20:52 |
| jbicha | everaldo: well I only want us to add/modify like one string and I don't think "GNOME Shell" is a term we want to emphasize in the installer | 20:53 |
| everaldo | jbicha, let me made another gif with current work using "Ubuntu GNOME" for all headers | 20:54 |
| everaldo | jbicha, darkxst , http://imagebin.org/231328 | 21:16 |
| jbicha | well those screenshots are a bit disappointing since that's not really what Ubuntu GNOME looks like out of the box | 21:20 |
| jbicha | Boxes & Documents aren't included, Nautilus is still at 3.4 | 21:21 |
| everaldo | jbicha, it can be replaced, it is just to see the sequence and things like: remove slide X, put the slide Y before Z, etc | 21:23 |
| everaldo | also, things like: remove first and last slide | 21:25 |
| jbicha | it kinda needs to be replaced now then, we still need to get a merge proposal done and see if Dylan and the Release Team will accept the freeze break | 21:26 |
| everaldo | jbicha, about first and last slide, keep it since it uses the same text from Ubuntu or remove it? | 21:27 |
| jbicha | that's up to you, the first slide needs to use the same title as the other slides though | 21:29 |
| everaldo | yes, it is another question | 21:30 |
| everaldo | jbicha, all other flavours uses 12.10 on header, we will use "Ubuntu GNOME 12.10" or just 'Ubuntu GNOME" for all slides? | 21:32 |
| jbicha | sure add the 12.10 | 21:32 |
| jbicha | ok, let's make the final deadline for your work in 1 hour, that will give me a few minutes to finish cleaning up the merge if needed and try to start the FFe process | 21:33 |
| everaldo | ok, that is fine | 21:35 |
| darkxst | jbicha, another minor packaging tweak for gdm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/1055359 | 21:43 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1055359 in gdm (Ubuntu) "package gdm 3.5.92.1-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 21:43 |
| darkxst | that should also fix the X sometimes getting killed when gdm is removed | 21:43 |
| jbicha | darkxst: ok I don't understand what that change is doing | 21:53 |
| jbicha | uninstalling gdm kills the current session and I thought that was intentional on Debian's part; it is very annoying | 21:54 |
| jbicha | but how does your work fix that? | 21:55 |
| darkxst | jbicha, 1. dont try stopping gdm if its not running, 2. dont stop gdm if there is an active X session | 21:55 |
| darkxst | uninstalling gdm currently only kills the current session if X is running on a different display than :0 | 21:56 |
| jbicha | why do we need to stop gdm at all? | 21:57 |
| darkxst | well I suppose if you don't stop it, then only option would be to reboot | 22:01 |
| darkxst | but now if would only stop gdm if safe to do so, (i.e. if you are running from a VT, with no active X session) | 22:01 |
| jbicha | darkxst: lightdm doesn't stop itself when it's uninstalled? what would break if gdm is allowed to keep running | 22:13 |
| jbicha | I've uninstalled the currently running kernel before several times and things seemed to be ok | 22:13 |
| darkxst | jbicha, it just means you must reboot to bring up the new display manager | 22:14 |
| darkxst | but other than that, nothing should break | 22:17 |
| jbicha | ok, then I'd rather we not kill gdm at all; sysadmins can either reboot or kill gdm manually | 22:18 |
| darkxst | with that patch we won't kill gdm if there is an active X session | 22:20 |
| darkxst | but I could just remove the whole block from the script if you prefer | 22:20 |
| darkxst | so that we never try to stop gdm | 22:22 |
| jbicha | sure, I'm not going to push that tonight though as I want to test what happens a bit more | 22:23 |
| darkxst | here is an alternate patch to never stop gdm -> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~darkxst/ubuntu/quantal/gdm/lp1055359-alt/revision/269 | 22:30 |
| robert_ancell | darkxst, oh hello | 22:35 |
| robert_ancell | darkxst, did you see my questions in https://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/ubuntu/quantal/gdm/lp1055359? | 22:35 |
| robert_ancell | Just wondering if we shouldn't just drop that code in the prerm | 22:36 |
| robert_ancell | It's not in the lightdm package and I can't see any particular demand for it | 22:36 |
| darkxst | robert_ancell, yes we could | 22:37 |
| darkxst | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~darkxst/ubuntu/quantal/gdm/lp1055359-alt/revision/269 | 22:37 |
| darkxst | robert_ancell, but either way we don't want to stop gdm if theres an active X session | 22:39 |
| robert_ancell | exactly | 22:39 |
| jbicha | everaldo: hey, time's about up | 22:42 |
| everaldo | jbicha, ok, commiting | 22:42 |
| everaldo | it is done :-) | 22:42 |
| everaldo | let me juts add debian dir | 22:43 |
| darkxst | robert_ancell, probably needs to go into precise also? would hate to think what would happen if gdm got killed during a dist-upgrade | 22:46 |
| robert_ancell | darkxst, sounds right, can you do a "nominate for series" in the bug please? | 22:48 |
| darkxst | ok | 22:49 |
| jbicha | everaldo: for the final slide, could you use the text from Ubuntu's slideshow so as not to add a new string? | 22:50 |
| everaldo | jbicha, are you looking last version that I commit? | 22:51 |
| everaldo | jbicha, because I removed the text, now it is only links, if you want I can get text back (it was the one from ubuntu) | 22:51 |
| darkxst | robert_ancell, actually I can't | 22:52 |
| darkxst | I dont have access to that option | 22:52 |
| robert_ancell | darkxst, oh, is that one of those features that need more permissions? I think it people just used to click on it for everything | 22:53 |
| robert_ancell | darkxst, ok, I've done that | 22:53 |
| darkxst | so I will update the merge request with my second patch (i.e. just remove that block of code)? | 22:54 |
| robert_ancell | darkxst, I'm just uploading the change now, so no need | 22:55 |
| darkxst | ok | 22:55 |
| jbicha | everaldo: I think Ubuntu's text gives more context so let's use it; reusing existing strings is ok | 22:56 |
| everaldo | ok | 22:58 |
| everaldo | jbicha, how I can prevent bzr commit to commit changes o .pot files? | 22:58 |
| jbicha | everaldo: um, we want the .pot updated | 23:00 |
| everaldo | ok, I will commit them | 23:00 |
| everaldo | jbicha, change debian/changelog too? | 23:03 |
| robert_ancell | darkxst, oh, precise doesn't have the bug. It handles the stop from failing | 23:07 |
| jbicha | everaldo: yes, please and reference bug 1051162 | 23:07 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1051162 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "FFe: ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu-gnome" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1051162 | 23:07 |
| everaldo | jbicha, also, theres minimize and maximize button on my screenshots, is it a problem? | 23:08 |
| darkxst | robert_ancell, it would still stop gdm, if X session is not on :0 | 23:10 |
| jbicha | everaldo: at this point I don't think it's too big of a deal | 23:10 |
| robert_ancell | darkxst, right, but the specific bug is the package wont uninstall. You'll need to open a new bug if you want this other issue fixed | 23:10 |
| everaldo | jbicha, done | 23:14 |
| * everaldo building package locally | 23:16 | |
| everaldo | waiting for building before propose for merge | 23:18 |
| jbicha | hmm... on second thought, the slideshows don't use the same potfiles :( | 23:24 |
| darkxst | robert_ancell, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/1064116 | 23:25 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1064116 in gdm (Ubuntu) "gdm is stopped during uninstall, causing X session to be killed" [Undecided,New] | 23:25 |
| everaldo | jbicha, yes, we need to copy ubuntu files to ubuntu-gnome | 23:26 |
| jbicha | ok, can you run generate-pot-files.sh again, copy the po files over and I think we need to change the header to say | 23:28 |
| jbicha | ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu-gnome instead of ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu | 23:29 |
| jbicha | I just use the find command from http://www.brunolinux.com/02-The_Terminal/Find_and%20Replace_with_Sed.html to do substitutions like that | 23:30 |
| jbicha | and then subscribe ubuntu-release when done | 23:30 |
| jbicha | I sent Dylan McCall an email 2 hours ago to try to give him a heads up that we're trying to push this at the last moment | 23:31 |
| everaldo | jbicha, if I copy .po now and they import is again from launchpad we will lose some translations | 23:32 |
| jbicha | everaldo: um, I think it will be ok but we need to get it uploaded before the language pack builds start early tomorrow | 23:34 |
| everaldo | jbicha, what you mean when you say "and then subscribe ubuntu-release when done" ? | 23:36 |
| jbicha | everaldo: never mind, I just did that | 23:36 |
| everaldo | jbicha, also, do you know why I am on revision 501 and lp:ubuntu/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu are on 57 ? | 23:37 |
| jbicha | we need the release team to approve the Feature Freeze Exception | 23:37 |
| jbicha | everaldo: that's not a problem, you branched the packaging branch which is good; the ubuntu branch is for each time the package is uploaded as a new release in Ubuntu | 23:38 |
| jbicha | robert_ancell: would you be interested in uploading ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu with bug 1051162 if it gets approved by the Release Team | 23:39 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1051162 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "FFe: ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu-gnome" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1051162 | 23:39 |
| * everaldo running generate-pot-files.sh | 23:45 | |
| jbicha | heading out for supper | 23:48 |
| everaldo | jbicha, .po files still have lots of garbage but I don't see it as a problem | 23:48 |
| everaldo | jbicha, one last thing... merge to which branch? | 23:48 |
| everaldo | s/merge/request merge/ | 23:49 |
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