[00:22] <DangerM> Bit quiet in here
[01:55] <darkxst> oh crap, libreoffice menu bars are gone again
[14:59] <everaldo> good morning
[15:00] <smartboyhw> good evening (almost night) everaldo
[15:00] <everaldo> I really need to change my internet company, 8 hours without internet access :(
[15:00] <everaldo> looks like a week
[15:01] <smartboyhw> everaldo, eh do so:D
[15:04] <jbicha> hi
[15:06] <everaldo> just finishing slideshow
[15:06] <everaldo> a little hard to have something good withou any text
[15:06] <smartboyhw> everaldo, oooh?
[15:06]  * smartboyhw congrats everaldo 
[16:59] <everaldo> jbicha, is there something that prevent us to have the gnome foot logo on one of our slides?
[17:19] <jbicha> everaldo: I don't think so
[17:20] <jbicha> but there are restrictions on how it can be used
[18:40] <everaldo> darkxst, what looks better?
[18:40] <everaldo> http://imagebin.org/231303
[18:40] <everaldo> or
[18:40] <everaldo> http://imagebin.org/231304
[18:41] <everaldo> without text is really hard to get it to be nice :(
[18:49] <darkxst> everaldo, I guess the second one
[18:49] <darkxst> but you could almost drop the header and make the screenshot bigger?
[18:50] <everaldo> darkxst, yes, I can but it will be diferent from first slide
[18:50] <everaldo> let me show first one
[18:51] <everaldo> first: http://imagebin.org/231307
[18:51] <everaldo> and second: http://imagebin.org/231308
[18:51] <everaldo> first and last have same layout
[18:52] <everaldo> this is the last slide: http://imagebin.org/231309
[18:59] <everaldo> darkxst, after first one shows only screenshots without headers?
[19:00] <darkxst> everaldo, yeh, atleast try it and see how it looks
[19:04] <everaldo> darkxst, don't looks to nice without header, transition looks to be abrupt
[19:04] <darkxst> ok
[19:05] <everaldo> also, all other distros slideshow have a header
[19:05] <everaldo> I am not happy with this no text slides
[19:05] <darkxst> make the screenshot take up all the space below the header perhaps?
[19:06] <everaldo> let me try
[19:10] <darkxst> jbicha, so I bought back gdmflexiserver, atleast can now switch users from unity/classic
[19:10] <everaldo> darkxst, dimensions are not the same of remaining space and we can't change the size of window
[19:11] <darkxst> everaldo, take screenshots at that dimension?
[19:11] <everaldo> darkxst, the best layout is this (IMHO) http://imagebin.org/231313
[19:12] <everaldo> darkxst, I can take some screenshots on same dimension but not all, as example gnome-shell must be a fullscreen  screenshot
[19:13] <jbicha> darkxst: yes I saw your bug, waiting to see if the patch will be committed or not
[19:13] <everaldo> jbicha, darkxst, is it so bad to don't have slideshow translations on first Ubunut GNOME ?
[19:13] <everaldo> slides with text looks so much better
[19:15] <jbicha> everaldo: yes, this release is a bit of a preview release, there are still major bugs and some of them just won't be fixable for 12.10
[19:15] <jbicha> it is a good release though and we've done a lot of good work
[19:16] <everaldo> jbicha, so, can we have some untranslated slides?
[19:19] <jbicha> I don't think that's a good idea
[19:20] <jbicha> I think we should try to follow the translation deadline rules, if we want to apply to be an official flavor
[19:21] <everaldo> jbicha, deadline is tomorow, do you think that anyone will translate it today?
[19:22] <jbicha> everaldo: how? the slideshow isn't even finished yet, and then the upload will need to be manually approved
[19:22] <jbicha> and the deadline is today
[19:22] <jbicha> tomorrow morning is like at 5 am my time and I'm not waking up then to do a release
[19:23] <jbicha> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TranslationDeadline
[19:24] <everaldo> jbicha, so, only two options, I have some slides with texts that looks very nice and some slides with only images that I don't like too much like this: http://imagebin.org/231304
[19:24] <everaldo> we must choose one of options
[19:25] <everaldo> we are more like http://imagebin.org/231313 or http://imagebin.org/231304
[19:26] <everaldo> except to the first http://imagebin.org/231307 and last http://imagebin.org/231309
[19:29] <jbicha> everaldo: well the status quo as of this weekend is no slideshow at all
[19:29] <jbicha> it's possible to have just screenshots/art without text
[19:30] <everaldo> jbicha, like this http://imagebin.org/231304
[19:30] <everaldo> ?
[19:31] <jbicha> text is tricky
[19:32] <everaldo> and we have slideshow, just need to choose between text or no text, as I said, I do prefer with text but.
[19:32] <jbicha> http://www.gnome.org/gnome-3/ and http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.6/ don't say "GNOME Shell"
[19:32] <everaldo> also, I showed at least 8 different slides here, so we have a slideshow
[19:34] <everaldo> ok, let me show the complete set, commit and we can discuss better
[20:10] <darkxst> jbicha, are you going to merge my user menu suspend fix before freeze? (its quite a nasty bug!)
[20:15] <jbicha> darkxst: can you paste the link again?
[20:15] <darkxst> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1063110
[20:22] <everaldo> jbicha, darkxst, I just commit my first text version of slides to lp:~ecanuto/ubuntu/quantal/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ubuntu-gnome
[20:22] <everaldo> also, you can see an animated gif showing all slides on: http://imagebin.org/231323
[20:24] <everaldo> jbicha, I just still working to try get something without text beause you guys sugested but the status quo as of this weekend is not slideshow at all
[20:25] <darkxst> everaldo, documents is not included
[20:27] <everaldo> darkxst, yes, and new Nautilus is also not included, that is why I don't like the idea to use  http://www.gnome.org/gnome-3/
[20:28] <everaldo> darkxst, as I said, it was my first version and that is why I still searching for somethings without text
[20:28] <everaldo> also I did a lot of experiences that I showed here
[20:29] <everaldo> you guys just need to choose clearly one way then I make 6~10 slides with/without images in center/left/right, full/partial size
[20:41] <darkxst> everaldo, just do whatever you think looks best (with no text of course)
[20:41] <jbicha> everaldo: sorry for the delay, a few different people talking to me
[20:42] <everaldo> for me still looks better with text (we can change some images like the one with Documents)
[20:42] <everaldo> without text
[20:42] <everaldo> no options looks to be ok because at least we have headers
[20:43] <everaldo> the option is to just put the software name on the header and screenshot like in one of versions that I showed
[20:44] <jbicha> everaldo: your latest slideshow on the branch adds a bunch of text
[20:44] <everaldo> jbicha, I know, it is just the old one, not my current work in progress, it is just to show that we had something on weekend but I just did not commit
[20:44] <jbicha> ok
[20:46] <everaldo> jbicha, the current work in progress is something like this: http://imagebin.org/231304
[20:48] <everaldo> just image without header don't fit the window and we cant resize the window
[20:48] <everaldo> :(
[20:51] <darkxst> why can't we resize window?
[20:51] <jbicha> everaldo: yeah, that'll do but I think the title should be Ubuntu GNOME or Ubuntu GNOME Remix
[20:51] <everaldo> jbicha, for all slides?
[20:52] <everaldo> darkxst, because it will not fit well the installer
[20:52] <jbicha> everaldo: did you want to do the changes to the debian/ directory also? changelog, control and the .install
[20:53] <jbicha> everaldo: well I only want us to add/modify like one string and I don't think "GNOME Shell" is a term we want to emphasize in the installer
[20:54] <everaldo> jbicha, let me made another gif with current work using "Ubuntu GNOME" for all headers
[21:16] <everaldo> jbicha, darkxst , http://imagebin.org/231328
[21:20] <jbicha> well those screenshots are a bit disappointing since that's not really what Ubuntu GNOME looks like out of the box
[21:21] <jbicha> Boxes & Documents aren't included, Nautilus is still at 3.4
[21:23] <everaldo> jbicha, it can be replaced, it is just to see the sequence and things like: remove slide X, put the slide Y before Z, etc
[21:25] <everaldo> also, things like: remove first and last slide
[21:26] <jbicha> it kinda needs to be replaced now then, we still need to get a merge proposal done and see if Dylan and the Release Team will accept the freeze break
[21:27] <everaldo> jbicha, about first and last slide, keep it since it uses the same text from Ubuntu or remove it?
[21:29] <jbicha> that's up to you, the first slide needs to use the same title as the other slides though
[21:30] <everaldo> yes, it is another question
[21:32] <everaldo> jbicha, all other flavours uses 12.10 on header, we will use "Ubuntu GNOME 12.10" or just 'Ubuntu GNOME" for all slides?
[21:32] <jbicha> sure add the 12.10
[21:33] <jbicha> ok, let's make the final deadline for your work in 1 hour, that will give me a few minutes to finish cleaning up the merge if needed and try to start the FFe process
[21:35] <everaldo> ok, that is fine
[21:43] <darkxst> jbicha, another minor packaging tweak for gdm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/1055359
[21:43] <darkxst> that should also fix the X sometimes getting killed when gdm is removed
[21:53] <jbicha> darkxst: ok I don't understand what that change is doing
[21:54] <jbicha> uninstalling gdm kills the current session and I thought that was intentional on Debian's part; it is very annoying
[21:55] <jbicha> but how does your work fix that?
[21:55] <darkxst> jbicha, 1. dont try stopping gdm if its not running, 2. dont stop gdm if there is an active X session
[21:56] <darkxst> uninstalling gdm currently only kills the current session if X is running on a different display than :0
[21:57] <jbicha> why do we need to stop gdm at all?
[22:01] <darkxst> well I suppose if you don't stop it, then only option would be to reboot
[22:01] <darkxst> but now if would only stop gdm if safe to do so, (i.e. if you are running from a VT, with no active X session)
[22:13] <jbicha> darkxst: lightdm doesn't stop itself when it's uninstalled? what would break if gdm is allowed to keep running
[22:13] <jbicha> I've uninstalled the currently running kernel before several times and things seemed to be ok
[22:14] <darkxst> jbicha, it just means you must reboot to bring up the new display manager
[22:17] <darkxst> but other than that, nothing should break
[22:18] <jbicha> ok, then I'd rather we not kill gdm at all; sysadmins can either reboot or kill gdm manually
[22:20] <darkxst> with that patch we won't kill gdm if there is an active X session
[22:20] <darkxst> but I could just remove the whole block from the script if you prefer
[22:22] <darkxst> so that we never try to stop gdm
[22:23] <jbicha> sure, I'm not going to push that tonight though as I want to test what happens a bit more
[22:30] <darkxst> here is an alternate patch to never stop gdm -> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~darkxst/ubuntu/quantal/gdm/lp1055359-alt/revision/269
[22:35] <robert_ancell> darkxst, oh hello
[22:35] <robert_ancell> darkxst, did you see my questions in https://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/ubuntu/quantal/gdm/lp1055359?
[22:36] <robert_ancell> Just wondering if we shouldn't just drop that code in the prerm
[22:36] <robert_ancell> It's not in the lightdm package and I can't see any particular demand for it
[22:37] <darkxst> robert_ancell, yes we could
[22:37] <darkxst> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~darkxst/ubuntu/quantal/gdm/lp1055359-alt/revision/269
[22:39] <darkxst> robert_ancell, but either way we don't want to stop gdm if theres an active X session
[22:39] <robert_ancell> exactly
[22:42] <jbicha> everaldo: hey, time's about up
[22:42] <everaldo> jbicha, ok, commiting
[22:42] <everaldo> it is done :-)
[22:43] <everaldo> let me juts add debian dir
[22:46] <darkxst> robert_ancell, probably needs to go into precise also? would hate to think what would happen if gdm got killed during a dist-upgrade
[22:48] <robert_ancell> darkxst, sounds right, can you do a "nominate for series" in the bug please?
[22:49] <darkxst> ok
[22:50] <jbicha> everaldo: for the final slide, could you use the text from Ubuntu's slideshow so as not to add a new string?
[22:51] <everaldo> jbicha, are you looking last version that I commit?
[22:51] <everaldo> jbicha, because I removed the text, now it is only links, if you want I can get text back (it was the one from ubuntu)
[22:52] <darkxst> robert_ancell, actually I can't
[22:52] <darkxst> I dont have access to that option
[22:53] <robert_ancell> darkxst, oh, is that one of those features that need more permissions? I think it people just used to click on it for everything
[22:53] <robert_ancell> darkxst, ok, I've done that
[22:54] <darkxst> so I will update the merge request with my second patch (i.e. just remove that block of code)?
[22:55] <robert_ancell> darkxst, I'm just uploading the change now, so no need
[22:55] <darkxst> ok
[22:56] <jbicha> everaldo: I think Ubuntu's text gives more context so let's use it; reusing existing strings is ok
[22:58] <everaldo> ok
[22:58] <everaldo> jbicha, how I can prevent bzr commit to commit changes o .pot files?
[23:00] <jbicha> everaldo: um, we want the .pot updated
[23:00] <everaldo> ok, I will commit them
[23:03] <everaldo> jbicha, change debian/changelog too?
[23:07] <robert_ancell> darkxst, oh, precise doesn't have the bug. It handles the stop from failing
[23:07] <jbicha> everaldo: yes, please and reference bug 1051162
[23:08] <everaldo> jbicha, also, theres minimize  and maximize button on my screenshots, is it a problem?
[23:10] <darkxst> robert_ancell, it would still stop gdm, if X session is not on :0
[23:10] <jbicha> everaldo: at this point I don't think it's too big of a deal
[23:10] <robert_ancell> darkxst, right, but the specific bug is the package wont uninstall. You'll need to open a new bug if you want this other issue fixed
[23:14] <everaldo> jbicha, done
[23:16]  * everaldo building package locally
[23:18] <everaldo> waiting for building before propose for merge
[23:24] <jbicha> hmm... on second thought, the slideshows don't use the same potfiles :(
[23:25] <darkxst> robert_ancell, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/1064116
[23:26] <everaldo> jbicha, yes, we need to copy ubuntu files to ubuntu-gnome
[23:28] <jbicha> ok, can you run generate-pot-files.sh again, copy the po files over and I think we need to change the header to say
[23:29] <jbicha> ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu-gnome instead of ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[23:30] <jbicha> I just use the find command from http://www.brunolinux.com/02-The_Terminal/Find_and%20Replace_with_Sed.html to do substitutions like that
[23:30] <jbicha> and then subscribe ubuntu-release when done
[23:31] <jbicha> I sent Dylan McCall an email 2 hours ago to try to give him a heads up that we're trying to push this at the last moment
[23:32] <everaldo> jbicha, if I copy .po now and they import is again from launchpad we will lose some translations
[23:34] <jbicha> everaldo: um, I think it will be ok but we need to get it uploaded before the language pack builds start early tomorrow
[23:36] <everaldo> jbicha, what you mean when you say "and then subscribe ubuntu-release when done" ?
[23:36] <jbicha> everaldo: never mind, I just did that
[23:37] <everaldo> jbicha, also, do you know why I am on revision 501 and lp:ubuntu/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu are on 57 ?
[23:37] <jbicha> we need the release team to approve the Feature Freeze Exception
[23:38] <jbicha> everaldo: that's not a problem, you branched the packaging branch which is good; the ubuntu branch is for each time the package is uploaded as a new release in Ubuntu
[23:39] <jbicha> robert_ancell: would you be interested in uploading ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu with bug 1051162 if it gets approved by the Release Team
[23:45]  * everaldo running generate-pot-files.sh
[23:48] <jbicha> heading out for supper
[23:48] <everaldo> jbicha, .po files still have lots of garbage but I don't see it as a problem
[23:48] <everaldo> jbicha, one last thing... merge to which branch?
[23:49] <everaldo> s/merge/request merge/