[00:22] Bit quiet in here [01:55] oh crap, libreoffice menu bars are gone again [14:59] good morning [15:00] good evening (almost night) everaldo [15:00] I really need to change my internet company, 8 hours without internet access :( [15:00] looks like a week [15:01] everaldo, eh do so:D [15:04] hi [15:06] just finishing slideshow [15:06] a little hard to have something good withou any text [15:06] everaldo, oooh? [15:06] * smartboyhw congrats everaldo [16:59] jbicha, is there something that prevent us to have the gnome foot logo on one of our slides? [17:19] everaldo: I don't think so [17:20] but there are restrictions on how it can be used [18:40] darkxst, what looks better? [18:40] http://imagebin.org/231303 [18:40] or [18:40] http://imagebin.org/231304 [18:41] without text is really hard to get it to be nice :( [18:49] everaldo, I guess the second one [18:49] but you could almost drop the header and make the screenshot bigger? [18:50] darkxst, yes, I can but it will be diferent from first slide [18:50] let me show first one [18:51] first: http://imagebin.org/231307 [18:51] and second: http://imagebin.org/231308 [18:51] first and last have same layout [18:52] this is the last slide: http://imagebin.org/231309 [18:59] darkxst, after first one shows only screenshots without headers? [19:00] everaldo, yeh, atleast try it and see how it looks [19:04] darkxst, don't looks to nice without header, transition looks to be abrupt [19:04] ok [19:05] also, all other distros slideshow have a header [19:05] I am not happy with this no text slides [19:05] make the screenshot take up all the space below the header perhaps? [19:06] let me try [19:10] jbicha, so I bought back gdmflexiserver, atleast can now switch users from unity/classic [19:10] darkxst, dimensions are not the same of remaining space and we can't change the size of window [19:11] everaldo, take screenshots at that dimension? [19:11] darkxst, the best layout is this (IMHO) http://imagebin.org/231313 [19:12] darkxst, I can take some screenshots on same dimension but not all, as example gnome-shell must be a fullscreen screenshot [19:13] darkxst: yes I saw your bug, waiting to see if the patch will be committed or not [19:13] jbicha, darkxst, is it so bad to don't have slideshow translations on first Ubunut GNOME ? [19:13] slides with text looks so much better [19:15] everaldo: yes, this release is a bit of a preview release, there are still major bugs and some of them just won't be fixable for 12.10 [19:15] it is a good release though and we've done a lot of good work [19:16] jbicha, so, can we have some untranslated slides? [19:19] I don't think that's a good idea [19:20] I think we should try to follow the translation deadline rules, if we want to apply to be an official flavor [19:21] jbicha, deadline is tomorow, do you think that anyone will translate it today? [19:22] everaldo: how? the slideshow isn't even finished yet, and then the upload will need to be manually approved [19:22] and the deadline is today [19:22] tomorrow morning is like at 5 am my time and I'm not waking up then to do a release [19:23] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TranslationDeadline [19:24] jbicha, so, only two options, I have some slides with texts that looks very nice and some slides with only images that I don't like too much like this: http://imagebin.org/231304 [19:24] we must choose one of options [19:25] we are more like http://imagebin.org/231313 or http://imagebin.org/231304 [19:26] except to the first http://imagebin.org/231307 and last http://imagebin.org/231309 [19:29] everaldo: well the status quo as of this weekend is no slideshow at all [19:29] it's possible to have just screenshots/art without text [19:30] jbicha, like this http://imagebin.org/231304 [19:30] ? [19:31] text is tricky [19:32] and we have slideshow, just need to choose between text or no text, as I said, I do prefer with text but. [19:32] http://www.gnome.org/gnome-3/ and http://library.gnome.org/misc/release-notes/3.6/ don't say "GNOME Shell" [19:32] also, I showed at least 8 different slides here, so we have a slideshow [19:34] ok, let me show the complete set, commit and we can discuss better [20:10] jbicha, are you going to merge my user menu suspend fix before freeze? (its quite a nasty bug!) [20:15] darkxst: can you paste the link again? [20:15] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1063110 [20:15] Ubuntu bug 1063110 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "ubuntu lock on suspend option breaks when suspending via userMenu" [Undecided,New] [20:22] jbicha, darkxst, I just commit my first text version of slides to lp:~ecanuto/ubuntu/quantal/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/ubuntu-gnome [20:22] also, you can see an animated gif showing all slides on: http://imagebin.org/231323 [20:24] jbicha, I just still working to try get something without text beause you guys sugested but the status quo as of this weekend is not slideshow at all [20:25] everaldo, documents is not included [20:27] darkxst, yes, and new Nautilus is also not included, that is why I don't like the idea to use http://www.gnome.org/gnome-3/ [20:28] darkxst, as I said, it was my first version and that is why I still searching for somethings without text [20:28] also I did a lot of experiences that I showed here [20:29] you guys just need to choose clearly one way then I make 6~10 slides with/without images in center/left/right, full/partial size [20:41] everaldo, just do whatever you think looks best (with no text of course) [20:41] everaldo: sorry for the delay, a few different people talking to me [20:42] for me still looks better with text (we can change some images like the one with Documents) [20:42] without text [20:42] no options looks to be ok because at least we have headers [20:43] the option is to just put the software name on the header and screenshot like in one of versions that I showed [20:44] everaldo: your latest slideshow on the branch adds a bunch of text [20:44] jbicha, I know, it is just the old one, not my current work in progress, it is just to show that we had something on weekend but I just did not commit [20:44] ok [20:46] jbicha, the current work in progress is something like this: http://imagebin.org/231304 [20:48] just image without header don't fit the window and we cant resize the window [20:48] :( [20:51] why can't we resize window? [20:51] everaldo: yeah, that'll do but I think the title should be Ubuntu GNOME or Ubuntu GNOME Remix [20:51] jbicha, for all slides? [20:52] darkxst, because it will not fit well the installer [20:52] everaldo: did you want to do the changes to the debian/ directory also? changelog, control and the .install [20:53] everaldo: well I only want us to add/modify like one string and I don't think "GNOME Shell" is a term we want to emphasize in the installer [20:54] jbicha, let me made another gif with current work using "Ubuntu GNOME" for all headers [21:16] jbicha, darkxst , http://imagebin.org/231328 [21:20] well those screenshots are a bit disappointing since that's not really what Ubuntu GNOME looks like out of the box [21:21] Boxes & Documents aren't included, Nautilus is still at 3.4 [21:23] jbicha, it can be replaced, it is just to see the sequence and things like: remove slide X, put the slide Y before Z, etc [21:25] also, things like: remove first and last slide [21:26] it kinda needs to be replaced now then, we still need to get a merge proposal done and see if Dylan and the Release Team will accept the freeze break [21:27] jbicha, about first and last slide, keep it since it uses the same text from Ubuntu or remove it? [21:29] that's up to you, the first slide needs to use the same title as the other slides though [21:30] yes, it is another question [21:32] jbicha, all other flavours uses 12.10 on header, we will use "Ubuntu GNOME 12.10" or just 'Ubuntu GNOME" for all slides? [21:32] sure add the 12.10 [21:33] ok, let's make the final deadline for your work in 1 hour, that will give me a few minutes to finish cleaning up the merge if needed and try to start the FFe process [21:35] ok, that is fine [21:43] jbicha, another minor packaging tweak for gdm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/1055359 [21:43] Ubuntu bug 1055359 in gdm (Ubuntu) "package gdm 3.5.92.1-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,Confirmed] [21:43] that should also fix the X sometimes getting killed when gdm is removed [21:53] darkxst: ok I don't understand what that change is doing [21:54] uninstalling gdm kills the current session and I thought that was intentional on Debian's part; it is very annoying [21:55] but how does your work fix that? [21:55] jbicha, 1. dont try stopping gdm if its not running, 2. dont stop gdm if there is an active X session [21:56] uninstalling gdm currently only kills the current session if X is running on a different display than :0 [21:57] why do we need to stop gdm at all? [22:01] well I suppose if you don't stop it, then only option would be to reboot [22:01] but now if would only stop gdm if safe to do so, (i.e. if you are running from a VT, with no active X session) [22:13] darkxst: lightdm doesn't stop itself when it's uninstalled? what would break if gdm is allowed to keep running [22:13] I've uninstalled the currently running kernel before several times and things seemed to be ok [22:14] jbicha, it just means you must reboot to bring up the new display manager [22:17] but other than that, nothing should break [22:18] ok, then I'd rather we not kill gdm at all; sysadmins can either reboot or kill gdm manually [22:20] with that patch we won't kill gdm if there is an active X session [22:20] but I could just remove the whole block from the script if you prefer [22:22] so that we never try to stop gdm [22:23] sure, I'm not going to push that tonight though as I want to test what happens a bit more [22:30] here is an alternate patch to never stop gdm -> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~darkxst/ubuntu/quantal/gdm/lp1055359-alt/revision/269 [22:35] darkxst, oh hello [22:35] darkxst, did you see my questions in https://code.launchpad.net/~darkxst/ubuntu/quantal/gdm/lp1055359? [22:36] Just wondering if we shouldn't just drop that code in the prerm [22:36] It's not in the lightdm package and I can't see any particular demand for it [22:37] robert_ancell, yes we could [22:37] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~darkxst/ubuntu/quantal/gdm/lp1055359-alt/revision/269 [22:39] robert_ancell, but either way we don't want to stop gdm if theres an active X session [22:39] exactly [22:42] everaldo: hey, time's about up [22:42] jbicha, ok, commiting [22:42] it is done :-) [22:43] let me juts add debian dir [22:46] robert_ancell, probably needs to go into precise also? would hate to think what would happen if gdm got killed during a dist-upgrade [22:48] darkxst, sounds right, can you do a "nominate for series" in the bug please? [22:49] ok [22:50] everaldo: for the final slide, could you use the text from Ubuntu's slideshow so as not to add a new string? [22:51] jbicha, are you looking last version that I commit? [22:51] jbicha, because I removed the text, now it is only links, if you want I can get text back (it was the one from ubuntu) [22:52] robert_ancell, actually I can't [22:52] I dont have access to that option [22:53] darkxst, oh, is that one of those features that need more permissions? I think it people just used to click on it for everything [22:53] darkxst, ok, I've done that [22:54] so I will update the merge request with my second patch (i.e. just remove that block of code)? [22:55] darkxst, I'm just uploading the change now, so no need [22:55] ok [22:56] everaldo: I think Ubuntu's text gives more context so let's use it; reusing existing strings is ok [22:58] ok [22:58] jbicha, how I can prevent bzr commit to commit changes o .pot files? [23:00] everaldo: um, we want the .pot updated [23:00] ok, I will commit them [23:03] jbicha, change debian/changelog too? [23:07] darkxst, oh, precise doesn't have the bug. It handles the stop from failing [23:07] everaldo: yes, please and reference bug 1051162 [23:07] Launchpad bug 1051162 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "FFe: ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu-gnome" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1051162 [23:08] jbicha, also, theres minimize and maximize button on my screenshots, is it a problem? [23:10] robert_ancell, it would still stop gdm, if X session is not on :0 [23:10] everaldo: at this point I don't think it's too big of a deal [23:10] darkxst, right, but the specific bug is the package wont uninstall. You'll need to open a new bug if you want this other issue fixed [23:14] jbicha, done [23:16] * everaldo building package locally [23:18] waiting for building before propose for merge [23:24] hmm... on second thought, the slideshows don't use the same potfiles :( [23:25] robert_ancell, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/1064116 [23:25] Ubuntu bug 1064116 in gdm (Ubuntu) "gdm is stopped during uninstall, causing X session to be killed" [Undecided,New] [23:26] jbicha, yes, we need to copy ubuntu files to ubuntu-gnome [23:28] ok, can you run generate-pot-files.sh again, copy the po files over and I think we need to change the header to say [23:29] ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu-gnome instead of ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu [23:30] I just use the find command from http://www.brunolinux.com/02-The_Terminal/Find_and%20Replace_with_Sed.html to do substitutions like that [23:30] and then subscribe ubuntu-release when done [23:31] I sent Dylan McCall an email 2 hours ago to try to give him a heads up that we're trying to push this at the last moment [23:32] jbicha, if I copy .po now and they import is again from launchpad we will lose some translations [23:34] everaldo: um, I think it will be ok but we need to get it uploaded before the language pack builds start early tomorrow [23:36] jbicha, what you mean when you say "and then subscribe ubuntu-release when done" ? [23:36] everaldo: never mind, I just did that [23:37] jbicha, also, do you know why I am on revision 501 and lp:ubuntu/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu are on 57 ? [23:37] we need the release team to approve the Feature Freeze Exception [23:38] everaldo: that's not a problem, you branched the packaging branch which is good; the ubuntu branch is for each time the package is uploaded as a new release in Ubuntu [23:39] robert_ancell: would you be interested in uploading ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu with bug 1051162 if it gets approved by the Release Team [23:39] Launchpad bug 1051162 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "FFe: ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu-gnome" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1051162 [23:45] * everaldo running generate-pot-files.sh [23:48] heading out for supper [23:48] jbicha, .po files still have lots of garbage but I don't see it as a problem [23:48] jbicha, one last thing... merge to which branch? [23:49] s/merge/request merge/