[05:56]  * Kilos greets ubuntu-za's peeps
[06:05] <Kilos> hi not_found-droid 
[06:05] <Kilos> greetings all
[06:05] <Kilos> funny funny fly
[06:06] <not_found-droid> Alo 
[06:40] <inetpro> good morning 
[06:40] <not_found-droid> O/
[06:52] <Kilos> hiya inetpro 
[06:52] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[06:57] <maiatoday> hi Kilos
[07:00] <charlvn> good morning
[07:00] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[07:00]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[07:00] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[07:00] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto
[07:01] <Kilos> hi charlvn 
[07:04] <Kilos_> grr power cut for 30 secs
[07:04] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn and Kilos!
[07:04] <Kilos_> wind musta blown a branch against lines
[07:04] <Kilos_> Maaz, ty
[07:04] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos_
[07:34] <charlvn> hi Kilos 
[07:34] <charlvn> Maaz: thanks
[07:34] <Maaz> charlvn: Sure
[08:11] <magespawn> good morning
[08:11] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[08:12] <magespawn> how things Kilos?
[08:15] <Kilos> ok ty magespawn  and you?
[08:15] <Kilos> bit of a thumper today but still maintaining
[08:21] <magespawn> yup cool and overcast
[08:33] <Kilos> lekker warm here but strong wind
[08:34] <Kilos> natal getting all the clouds methinks
[08:35] <Kilos> and we need rain bad
[08:37] <superfly> Kilos: what's funny?
[08:42] <inetpro> hi superfly, I think he may be referring to your message re: a real programming language...
[08:55] <Kilos> lol you superfly 
[08:55] <Kilos> truth but so direct
[08:55] <Kilos> hehe
[08:55] <Kilos> like i dont have those problems i use kubuntu
[08:56] <Kilos> inetpro, where is the rain?
[08:57] <inetpro> Kilos: tomorrow
[08:58] <Kilos> wow i really hope so
[08:58] <Kilos> sheep suffering
[08:58] <Kilos> just been cutting down creepers for them
[09:00] <inetpro> Kilos: if not tomorrow then Wednesday, but after this heat we really need the rain
[09:00] <inetpro> I think it will come
[09:00] <magespawn> Kilos can you not feed them lucern pellets?
[09:01] <inetpro> hi magespawn
[09:01] <Kilos> yes but they dont grow here
[09:01] <Kilos> hehe
[09:01] <magespawn> hah
[09:01] <magespawn> hey inetpro
[09:01] <Kilos> and electricity expensive to pump water all over
[09:01] <magespawn> how many sheep have you got?
[09:01] <Kilos> only 12 now
[09:02] <Kilos> oh and 2 lambs a few months old
[09:02] <Kilos> used to be 35 total
[09:03] <magespawn> one bage of lucern would keep the going for awhile
[09:04] <Kilos> not even a day
[09:04] <Kilos> i just cut about that much green creepers and its gone already
[09:06] <magespawn> lucern has higher food value so you need to mix it
[09:07] <Kilos> i used to grow lucern but it needs watering often
[09:07] <Kilos> loves water and lan
[09:07] <Kilos> limestone ammonium nitrate
[09:08] <Kilos> if it would rain then new grass all over is ideal magespawn 
[09:09] <magespawn> we will hope for rain then
[09:10] <Kilos> dont hope. Pray
[09:10] <Kilos> ty anyway
[09:20] <magespawn> indeed
[09:20] <Kilos> eskom put lotsa brakes on
[09:21] <Kilos> water from 40-50 metres under the grown costs
[09:21] <Kilos> grownd
[09:26] <magespawn> do you collect rain water? jojo tanks?
[09:27] <superfly> Kilos: ground
[09:29] <Kilos> oh my ty superfly 
[09:29] <Kilos> no gutters magespawn 
[09:30] <Kilos> thats where northern natal is so lekker against the mountains. fountains every few 100 metres
[09:31] <Kilos> i piped 3 farms there to large tanks and overflows into dams
[09:32] <magespawn> here we have a strong borehole, but it contains calcium carbonate, so not too good to drink or for appliances
[09:33] <Kilos> eish
[09:34] <magespawn> okay for plants, but the ppl and pets etc drink rain water
[10:02] <Kilos> hey guys do you get ddr to ddr2 adapters
[10:11] <magespawn> Kilos not as far as i know
[10:16] <Kilos> aw it woulda been nice. got a 1g ddr2 ram card and no pc for it
[10:17] <Kilos> i thought seeing as they make ide to sata ada[ters they might do it for ram too
[10:20] <Kilos> was hoping actually. kde i think likes lotsa ram
[10:36] <Kilos> tumbleweed, can one use the ibid.db file from one bot to another?
[10:37] <Kilos> i would love maaz's for my bot, he is well educated
[10:37] <superfly> Kilos: no more than Unity or Gnome 3
[10:40] <tumbleweed> Kilos: I'm afraid not, although it's technically possible
[10:40] <Kilos> yeah superfly you right, but i keep using maverick and mate as well so see a huge diffs
[10:41] <superfly> Kilos: well, when you use half a desktop, compared to a comprehensive desktop you will see a difference
[10:41] <Kilos> ty tumbleweed 
[10:42] <Kilos> lol superfly can you explain that to me?
[10:42] <Kilos> tumbleweed, are there links in the db to the individual nicks?
[10:42] <Kilos> is that the snag?
[10:43] <Kilos> are you in za or at a dev thingie again
[10:43] <superfly> Kilos: jokes aside, MATE uses much less memory because it doesn't do as much
[10:43] <superfly> Kilos: but I've found that KDE generally works well even on lower end machines
[10:44] <Kilos> yeah superfly it works ok here with 1g ram, just things open a bit slower
[10:45] <superfly> Kilos: remember that KDE uses the same set of libraries for almost all its programmes, so when you load KDE you get a whole bunch of libraries in memory too, but you don't have to load those libraries for every KDE app that launches. Your individual apps potentially use less memory in KDE than other desktop environments.
[10:45] <Kilos> ah
[10:46] <Kilos> another thing please. after installing nvidia-current do you have to configure it still?
[10:46] <Kilos> unity still says i using 2d mode
[10:46] <superfly> No, it should work fine
[10:47] <Kilos> kde doesnt say anything just goes
[10:47] <tumbleweed> Kilos: that is the snag, yes
[10:47] <superfly> Kilos: you can try to enable desktop effects by pressing Alt+Shift+F12, and it'll tell you if there are any problems
[10:48] <Kilos> ah ty tumbleweed superfly will try that
[10:48] <Kilos> i forgot about that f12 bit
[11:03] <Kilos> whew screen went black with flashing cursor
[11:05] <Kilos> lotsa stuff it says couldnt be activated
[11:05]  * Kilos will stay with them effects off
[11:05] <superfly> Kilos: then it doesn't seem like nvidia-current is playing nice
[11:05] <superfly> Kilos: is that 12.04?
[11:10] <Kilos> yip superfly 
[11:10] <Kilos> the one i install from stick
[11:13] <superfly> ja, I had problems with the nVidia driver in 12.04. I had to go and download the beta driver from nVidia's site. The good news is that it is fixed in 12.10
[11:15] <Kilos> lol no man i wanted to stick with lts this time around
[11:15] <Kilos> data last longer if no upgrades all the time
[11:17] <Kilos> i have 12.04 at the stage i can do a clean install , rsync archives and update upgrade for 20m data
[11:33] <Kilos> hi DigiGram 
[11:33] <Kilos> funny real name you got
[11:33] <DigiGram> hi Kilos
[11:34] <Kilos> realname
[11:34] <Kilos> hehe
[11:34] <DigiGram> lol
[16:33] <magespawn> evening all
[16:33] <Cantide> evening~
[16:34] <superfly> hi
[17:07] <nuvolari> o/ hello 
[17:08] <Cantide> hey~
[17:08] <Cantide> it's quiet here tonight 'o'
[17:08] <Cantide> oh, Kilos is not here 'o'
[17:09] <nuvolari> he wooshed out of here now now
[17:09] <nuvolari> Kilos (~miles@8ta-151-159-49.telkomadsl.co.za) has quit (Quit: Woooosh) 
[17:09] <Cantide> lol
[17:09] <Cantide> wooosh always reminds me of Chrono Trigger '-'
[17:12] <nuvolari> bwahaha! A guy got chased by a deer into a tree
[17:12] <nuvolari> (on tv just now :P)
[17:12] <Tonberry> what kind of deer?
[17:13] <nuvolari> 'n takbok
[17:13] <Cantide> hahahahaha
[17:13] <Tonberry> ah
[17:13] <Cantide> what's a takbok? 'o'
[17:13] <nuvolari> Maaz: translate takbok en
[17:13] <Maaz> nuvolari: I couldn't translate that: Please use Translate v2.  See http://code.google.com/apis/language/translate/overview.html.
[17:13] <nuvolari> Maaz: help translate
[17:13] <Maaz> nuvolari: Translates a phrase using Google Translate. You can use it like this:
[17:13] <Maaz>   translate (<phrase>|<url>) [from <language>] [to <language>]
[17:13] <Maaz>   translation chain <phrase> [from <language>] [to <language>]
[17:13] <Tonberry> reindeer?
[17:14] <nuvolari> Maaz: translate from en to af takbok
[17:14] <Maaz> nuvolari: I couldn't translate that: Please use Translate v2.  See http://code.google.com/apis/language/translate/overview.html.
[17:14] <nuvolari> pfft. 
[17:14] <nuvolari> yeah, reindeer
[17:14] <nuvolari> Maaz: translate takbok from af to en
[17:14] <Maaz> nuvolari: I couldn't translate that: Please use Translate v2.  See http://code.google.com/apis/language/translate/overview.html.
[17:14] <Cantide> hart ?
[17:15] <nuvolari> hi om Kilos 
[17:15] <nuvolari> *oom Kilos 
[17:15] <Kilos> hi nuvolari hoe gaan dit seun
[17:15] <nuvolari> no Cantide, my hart makeer niks :P
[17:15] <Cantide> haha
[17:15] <Cantide> hey Kilos :)
[17:15] <nuvolari> dit gaan goed dankie oom Kilos!
[17:15] <Kilos> hey Cantide 
[17:15] <nuvolari> het oom 'n lekker dag gehad?
[17:16] <Kilos> lekker warm maar slegte kop dag
[17:16] <nuvolari> oom moet kom kuier, lekker reënweer hierso
[17:16] <nuvolari> oom se kop sal lekker rus
[17:16] <Kilos> lol
[17:17] <nuvolari> nee, rus, nie lol nie
[17:17] <nuvolari> :P
[17:17] <Kilos> dis net van aktief wees, kop hou nie van dit nie
[17:18] <Kilos> bid net vir groot reen vir ons dan sal die grass groei en my werk verminder
[17:18] <Kilos> nuvolari, waar is die apie
[17:19] <nuvolari> nee ek weet nie oom
[17:19] <nuvolari> ek dink oom sal meer weet :P
[17:19] <nuvolari> ek is so skaars deesdae
[17:19] <nuvolari> ek het wel gesien dat hy gese het hy gaan na die release party toe
[17:19] <Kilos> hy nog erger
[17:20] <nuvolari> :( ek kwyl nou vir 'n bietjie avocado
[17:20] <Kilos> ai
[17:20] <magespawn> hey nuvolari
[17:20] <nuvolari> maar nee, hulle moet mos groen wees tot wie weet wanneer
[17:20] <nuvolari> howdy magespawn! Are you doing well?
[17:20] <Kilos> hey magespawn 
[17:21] <Kilos> magespawn, you must try join the durbs peeps for the release party
[17:21] <magespawn> i see there is a release party in the works for durban. well ty nuvolari hey Kilos
[17:21] <Kilos> hehe
[17:21] <Cantide> oh
[17:21] <Cantide> keep me updated, please :)
[17:22] <Kilos> Cantide, dont you get mails from our list
[17:23] <Cantide> i dont ._.
[17:23] <Kilos> why?
[17:23] <Kilos> nuvolari, give him the link please
[17:23] <magespawn> provisionally for the 20th or 27th
[17:24] <nuvolari> magespawn: I scanned my mail just now now
[17:24] <nuvolari> yea, what you said
[17:24] <nuvolari> :P
[17:24] <Kilos> unity hasnt got nuf workspaces to open mail too
[17:24] <nuvolari>  http://bit.ly/MCOujZ
[17:24] <nuvolari> that one?
[17:24]  * nuvolari checks whether it is the mailing list
[17:25] <Kilos> our mailing list
[17:25] <nuvolari> yeah
[17:25] <nuvolari> Cantide:  http://bit.ly/MCOujZ
[17:25] <Kilos> ubuntu-za
[17:27] <Cantide> subscribed! Thanks :)
[17:27] <Kilos> good lad
[17:29] <Cantide> ^-^v
[17:30] <Cantide> magespawn, afternoon or morning?
[17:30] <Cantide> 20th i'm working, but only 8 am to noon
[17:31] <magespawn> not sure do not recall a time in the mail
[17:31] <Cantide> okay
[17:31] <Cantide> i think the last one was in the afternoon
[17:32] <Kilos> lo ludo
[17:32] <magespawn> the time in the mail is 10:00 till 14:00
[17:33] <Cantide> hmm
[17:33] <Cantide> it's likely i'd miss that
[17:33] <Cantide> oh well :)
[17:33] <Kilos> ask for an hour off Cantide 
[17:33] <Cantide> Kilos, not gonna happen :p
[17:33] <Cantide> bank is too strict
[17:33] <Kilos> tell them important meeting
[17:33] <Kilos> aw
[17:33] <Cantide> i could try to change my Saturdays around
[17:34] <Cantide> and swap with someone else
[17:34] <Cantide> but that's tricky
[17:34] <Cantide> or i could just catch the end of the meet :p
[17:34] <Kilos> good idea but wait till they have fixed the date first
[17:36] <Kilos> haha superfly its taken a while but ian seems hooked on python
[17:36] <Cantide> yeah
[17:36] <Cantide> that's what i'm thinking :o
[17:36] <Cantide> i should be off on the 27th :)
[17:37] <Kilos> even sends me little things to try
[17:37] <Kilos> the twit
[17:38] <Kilos> then mail the organiser and tell him you can make the 27th
[17:38] <Kilos> before someone else says the 20th is good
[17:40] <superfly> Kilos: I'm not surprised, it's a very awesome programming language
[17:41] <magespawn> bbl fish time.
[17:41] <Cantide> Kilos, i'd rather not steer it in that direction seeing as i'm not yet certain which dates i'll be working yet
[17:41] <Kilos> hehe he wrote some thing i gotta choose integer things numbers tween such and such and a little story when i get y age right
[17:42] <Cantide> sometimes they tell us at work a few days before we have to work the saturday -.-v
[17:42] <Kilos> ah
[17:42] <Cantide> so i'd rather it be convenient for others first than for myself
[17:42] <Kilos> well wait till its a bit closer then and try swop if you gotta work
[17:44] <Cantide> yep
[17:44] <Cantide> i'm keen to get my hands on a disk if i can
[17:44] <Cantide> to spare me the download
[17:45] <Kilos> yeah. dont you get chance to download at work
[17:53] <Kilos> i dont think the cds will be here on time, last time they were like a month after the release date
[17:53] <Kilos> or even more
[18:02] <magespawn> i wont't use it on my systems yet
[18:05] <Kilos> i meant download at work and take home
[18:05] <Kilos> onna dvd or stick
[18:06] <Kilos> 12.04 seems good though magespawn 
[18:06] <Kilos> apart from nm
[18:06] <Kilos> and sound in quassel and xchat
[18:08] <Kilos> sound they say is fixed in next release, so you guys can figure how i can back something it to 12.04
[18:10] <magespawn> 12.04 is okay but again a bit too much for my old laptops without changing the desktop 
[18:11] <Cantide> Kilos, i can't connect to the outside world at work - i am completely isolated :D
[18:14] <Kilos> aw that sucks
[18:14] <Cantide> yes and no
[18:14] <Cantide> sometimes it's nice to be there - i get away from everything else :D
[18:15] <Kilos> magespawn, when you got nothing to do and a cable connection just try out tinycorelinux
[18:15] <Kilos> it be very cute
[18:15] <Kilos> but you must have cable to start
[18:15] <magespawn> Cantide are you full time at the bank?
[18:15] <Cantide> magespawn, unfortunately so
[18:15] <Kilos> gotta download the mobile stuff
[18:15] <magespawn> will check it Kilos
[18:16] <Cantide> i was planning to quit this month
[18:16] <Cantide> but seeing as i'm spending 20 K on a trip, i have to work longer to save that up again
[18:16] <Kilos> get the coreplus to write to cd. 66m.  the tinycore is 12m but runs from cd
[18:17] <Kilos> coreplus you can install to hdd
[18:20] <magespawn> tried puppy linux
[18:20] <magespawn> that was pretty cool
[18:20] <magespawn> fast
[18:20] <Kilos> i will try that too sometime
[18:20] <Kilos> yeah tiny flies
[18:21] <Kilos> almost like things open before you stopped clicking mouse
[18:21] <Kilos> very lekker
[18:22] <charlvn> good evening
[18:22] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee please
[18:22] <Maaz> charlvn: There isn't a pot on
[18:22] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[18:22]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[18:22] <Kilos> hi charlvn 
[18:22] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee o kudasai
[18:22] <Maaz> charlvn: Huh?
[18:22] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[18:22] <Maaz> Kilos: Righto
[18:22] <charlvn> ok still need to learn you some japanese Maaz :)
[18:22] <charlvn> hi Kilos 
[18:22] <charlvn> how's it going
[18:23] <Kilos> ok and there
[18:24] <charlvn> not too bad
[18:24] <charlvn> Maaz: exchange 1 euro for zar
[18:24] <Maaz> charlvn: That didn't go down very well. Burp.
[18:24] <charlvn> hmm, currency feature a bit broken i see
[18:24] <Kilos> convert
[18:24] <charlvn> Maaz: convert 1 euro for zar
[18:24] <Maaz> charlvn: I'm not feeling too well
[18:24] <charlvn> bah
[18:24] <Kilos> oh my
[18:25] <charlvn> hi zeref 
[18:25] <zeref> hi charlvn 
[18:25] <Kilos> not eu$
[18:25] <Kilos> yo zeref 
[18:26] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn and Kilos!
[18:26] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[18:26] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[18:26] <Kilos> whats the goodie for euros
[18:30] <magespawn> Maaz zar to euro
[18:30] <Maaz> magespawn: Sorry...
[18:30] <Kilos> charlvn, <QP> 1 EUR (Euro) = 11.51 ZAR (Rand) (Last trade rate: 11.5056, Bid: 11.4999, Ask: 11.5113)
[18:31] <magespawn> ty Kilos
[18:31] <magespawn> hah
[18:32] <Kilos> yw
[18:32] <Kilos> command is convert 1 eur to ZAR
[18:32] <Kilos> EUR
[18:33] <Kilos> Maaz, convert 1 EUR to ZAR
[18:33] <Maaz> Kilos: That didn't seem to agree with me
[18:33] <Kilos> Maaz, botsnack
[18:33] <Maaz> Yay, at last someone thinks about me as well
[18:33] <Kilos> the daily build works kiff
[18:34] <magespawn> shame poor Maaz does not like money/currencies 9r maybe it is just the exchange rate
[18:34] <Kilos> magespawn, you can always go use QP hey
[18:35] <magespawn> ty Kilos will keep that in mind
[18:35] <Kilos> lol if i havent forgotten to wake the cow
[18:40] <Cantide> Maaz zar to krw
[18:40] <Maaz> Cantide: What?
[18:40] <Cantide> >_<
[18:40] <Kilos> haha
[18:40] <Kilos> whats krw
[18:40] <Cantide> Korean Won
[18:40] <Cantide> but i may have it wrong
[18:41] <Cantide> last i checked it was 127 :'(
[18:41] <Kilos> 1 ZAR (Rand) = 125 KRW (Won) (Last trade rate: 125.3374, Bid: 125.2816, Ask: 125.3932)
[18:41] <Cantide> noooooo
[18:41] <Cantide> it was 138 a few weeks back
[18:41] <Cantide> stupid rand :(
[18:42] <Kilos> yeah it dipped lots
[18:42] <Kilos> all the strikes
[18:43] <Kilos> Cantide, join ##kilos and see if you get greeted
[18:43] <magespawn> lol
[18:43] <Kilos> i dunno if she works
[18:44] <Kilos> what magespawn 
[18:44] <Kilos> does she greet?
[18:46] <Kilos> i dunno if im supposed to see the greeting
[18:46] <magespawn> Kilos if have not forgotten to make the cow
[18:46] <Kilos> lol
[18:46] <magespawn> looks like that did not load hey Kilos
[18:46] <Kilos> greeter dont work, i wonder why
[18:47] <Kilos> hmm
[18:47] <magespawn> any one here who has used a token ring network?
[18:47] <Kerbero> lol no
[18:47] <Kilos> aw i havent taught her on unity
[18:47] <Kerbero> those things are ancient :P
[18:47] <Kilos> sigh
[18:48] <magespawn> mm thats what i thought, but is still part of thenA+ exam
[18:50] <Kilos> Cantide, try now
[18:51] <Kilos> ive done so many installs i dunno whats where
[18:52] <Kilos> still nothing
[18:52] <Kilos> grrr
[18:54] <magespawn> Kerbero: thay are only talking about logical token ring not physical
[18:54] <Kilos> naand Kerbero 
[18:54] <Kilos> sal nog eendag by netwerk uitkom weer
[18:55] <Kerbero> ok reg so
[18:55] <Kilos> dankie
[18:56] <magespawn> still not quite getting why it would work like that though
[18:59] <magespawn> ahh well hopefully understanding will come.
[19:01] <Kilos> night guys. sleep tight
[19:01] <Kilos> see ya morrow
[19:39] <magespawn> good night all
[19:39] <Cantide> night magespawn ^^