[10:00] <Davew> Hi All, I wish  to find out if there are issues with menu editor / profile manager and any known other way of controlling ltsp client choices
[10:00] <Davew> Anyone Help ?
[13:10] <Davew_> I raised a query about menu editor and profile manager in 12.04 not functioning. I am using the server as we speak. Can anybody else
[13:11] <Davew_> confirm that these applications do not function.
[13:13] <Davew_> And if so what are you doing to restrict thin client access.
[13:14] <stgraber> mgariepy: ^
[13:17] <Davew_> Consider the picture. I have 120 potential clients. I am using webmin to get the users onto the server, and as the students behind me can tell you
[13:17] <Davew_>  we cannot use the system yet.
[13:19] <Davew_> I have been using a Centos server  with Samba to allow the Xp clients to access the server. But we all know that to administer this
[13:20] <Davew_> sucks. So LTSP is the way......if it works. If I should be using another Distro please tell me .....as long as it all works.
[13:45] <mgariepy> Davew, what issue do you have with edubuntu-menueditor ?
[13:51] <Davew_> Hi, It doesn't work.
[13:52] <Davew_> I have used menu editor to create a tar.gz file. Yesterday I was able to import that menu in to profile manager. But when a person of the student group logs on no change has been made to the menu they are looking at.
[13:53] <Davew_> I havetried using the system to create other tar.gz files but now I find I don't seem able to create those.
[13:54] <Davew_>  I am following the instructions in the Wiki.
[13:57] <Davew_>  I will try to be more explicit---
[13:58] <Davew_>  ------I open menu editor
[13:59] <mgariepy> which desktop are you using on ltsp ?
[13:59] <Davew_> -------- I remove the ticks from items I do not wish to show
[13:59] <mgariepy> gnome-fallback or unity ?
[14:00] <Davew_> --------I save the menu and append .tar.gz to the filename
[14:01] <Davew_> ------I open Profile manager and import the menu and assign it to a group all the users are a member of.
[14:02] <Davew_> -------- I use File and Save again
[14:04] <Davew_> -------I test the meu by logging in as a student on one of the clients and it makes no difference to what is displayed.
[14:04] <Davew_> ---------- I shall try this again now.......
[14:08] <mgariepy> Davew, which desktop are you using on ltsp ?
[14:08] <mgariepy> stgraber, are the ltsp package ready to be tested ?
[14:09] <mgariepy> Davew, can you please answer my question ?
[14:09] <mgariepy> i want to help you but i need you to answer so i can debug what is going on with the configuration.
[14:09] <stgraber> mgariepy: nope, still in the queue. The queue seems pretty backloged (40 items) mostly because of yesterday being a public holiday in canada/us
[14:10] <Davew_> Hi , Desktop is Unity
[14:10] <mgariepy> stgraber, can you poke me when i need to test then ?
[14:10] <stgraber> mgariepy: sure
[14:11] <Davew_> When you say tested I am not sure in which context you mean
[14:11] <mgariepy> Davew, i was talking to stgraber not you ;)
[14:12] <mgariepy> Davew, can you log into the system and pastebin me the environment you have ?
[14:12] <Davew_> Apologies in advance
[14:13] <Davew_> How do i do that /
[14:14] <mgariepy> you log in to a thin client with a user that should get the menu applied
[14:15] <mgariepy> then you open a terminal and run this : env |pastebinit
[14:18] <Davew_> I am I think going to have to do this later. At the moment I have no menu as I have deleted what I had in an attempt
[14:20] <Davew_> to create a new menu. I was just trying to create a new menu now. If I can do this and then env |pastebinit what should I do then
[14:20] <mgariepy> Davew, poke me i want to see what's in it ;)
[14:21] <Davew_> OK  leave it with me I shall do what I can
[14:29] <fluitfries>  hi, default install of edubuntu on a dell latitude  d430.  wifi hardware was notedetected until 1st boot, then i approved the 3rd party drivers.  however the wifi is not showing any networks and an ifconfig tells me that the interface is called "lxcbr0" which i have never seen before...
[14:39] <fluitfries> well, i need to install the gnome fallback interface, so maybe i'll try a reinstall and see if that fixes the wifi...
[14:55] <Davew_> mgariepy: ^
[14:56] <Davew_> I assume this is a poke ?
[14:57] <mgariepy> Davew, do you have the url that pastebinit gave you ?
[14:57] <Davew_> I have probably got a bit of time before you respond.....
[14:58] <highvoltage> fluitfries: hey there
[14:58] <highvoltage> fluitfries: lxcbr0 is set up by lxc (it's harmless)
[14:58] <fluitfries> ok, so if my wifi interface is not showing after install of 3rd party drivers, any ideas?
[14:59] <highvoltage> fluitfries: it might be worth while to do an lspci to see which wireless card it contains, some wireless chips have some of their own issues
[14:59] <fluitfries> ok
[14:59] <highvoltage> fluitfries: quite often there's a question already asked on askubuntu.com for most common wifi problems, I can strongly recommend it.
[14:59] <Davew_> Just in case it is of any importance  I have been using a templates folder off my homefolder and had been able  to save menus there.
[14:59] <fluitfries> hey also, can i install gmone fallback via synaptic?
[14:59] <fluitfries> gnome-fallback
[14:59] <highvoltage> fluitfries: yep.
[14:59] <fluitfries> ty!
[15:00] <highvoltage> fluitfries: you'll just have to select it from the login screen by clickong on the logo in the corner of the login box
[15:00] <Davew_> I changed this location yesterday and could not seem to save it in this location.
[15:00] <fluitfries> kk
[15:01] <Davew_> Anyway I have gone through the proces and created a tester2.tar.gzfile.
[15:03] <Davew_> I have used this to create a profile and logged in as requested. I have used env > pastebinit  and have the listing on the terminal waiting for you.
[15:03] <mgariepy> env | pastebinit
[15:04] <mgariepy> not > ;)
[15:04] <mgariepy> the "pipe" will send the output to pastebinit that will give you an url
[15:04] <mgariepy> i need to that this url.
[15:05] <mgariepy> i need this url**
[15:05] <Davew_> Sorry the tilde did not work on the terminal keyboard
[15:05] <mgariepy> it's a pipe "|"
[15:05] <Davew_> I thinl | is a tilde
[15:06] <mgariepy> do you have a us keyboard?
[15:06] <mgariepy> ~ < this is a tild.
[15:06] <Davew_> Yes it is and yes I would have thought it was US
[15:08] <mgariepy> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1269398/
[15:08] <mgariepy> Davew,
[15:09] <mgariepy> can you copy this line in a terminal and give me the link ?
[15:12] <Davew_> Have entered line in browser
[15:15] <Davew_> Anything else to do ?
[15:18] <mgariepy> the line should be pasted in a terminal like gnome-terminal or xterm
[15:23] <Davew_> have got xterm and put in line but on return get not found
[15:23] <mgariepy> do you have pastebinit installed ?
[15:23] <mgariepy> you can do this by doing : sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[15:25] <Davew_> It is installed on the server
[15:25] <mgariepy> did you copied the 1 before the command ?
[15:26] <mgariepy> the command starts at the e of "env"
[15:31] <mgariepy> Davew, i'll be back in about an hour.
[15:35] <Davew_> Have located pipe and URL is http://paste.ubuntu.com/1269437/
[15:42] <Davew_> Pipe on my keyboard was a shifted ~
[15:43] <Davew_> I shall stay with this....apologies for delaying you
[15:55] <fluitfries> is there an official way to remove unity or can i just use apt?  i want to switch to the fallback-gnome
[16:00] <fluitfries> it seems to already be installed...  perhaps i misunderstood the check-box during installation.
[16:04] <Davew_> Hi fluitfries I have found Unity not intuitive and you ?
[16:04] <fluitfries> yes, and too slow.
[16:06] <Davew_> I am a bit worried that users if using ltsp may have trouble with it. We have all been weaned on microsoft type menus I think
[16:50] <mgariepy> Davew, i don't usually use unity, i use gnome-fallback on thin clients and it works quite well.
[16:50] <Davew_> Hi again, yes I was going to go to gnome. Have I given you what you needed ?
[16:51] <mgariepy> yeah, it seams sort-of ok i was wondering if the XDG_DATA_DIRS and XDG_CONFIG_DIRS were exported.
[16:51] <mgariepy> and they are.
[16:57] <Davew_> Anything for me to do ?
[17:07] <Davew_> Strange thing is that I used menueditor in an earlier version and it seemed to work
[17:13] <mgariepy> Davew, i guess the problem is caused by unity, can you try whit gnome-fallback ?
[17:16] <Davew_> This is done by logging off and logging back in with the gnome choice ?
[17:17] <mgariepy> Davew, yes
[17:17] <Davew_> Ok I will do this now and return
[17:21] <Davew_> O.K. Am Using Gnome - will create menu and return
[17:30] <Davew_> It looks just the same to me , presumably it should be a gnome desktop as well
[17:33] <highvoltage> So, for the first time in around 2 years, the edubuntu-webcontact queue is down to 0!
[17:34] <Davew_> URL is http://paste.ubuntu.com/1269657
[17:35] <mgariepy> Davew, it seams you are still in unity,
[17:36] <Davew_> I am in the client I have just used but used logged out and then back in using gnome
[17:38] <Davew_> Sorry will clarify, client is showing radar dish - server is logged in as gnome
[17:42] <mgariepy> Davew, you see the gnome panel bars on top and bottom of the desktop ?
[17:43] <mgariepy> Davew, http://www.edubuntu.org/screenshots
[17:43] <mgariepy> does it look like gnome fallback session ?
[17:44] <mgariepy> http://www.edubuntu.org/screenshots#Gnome_Fallback_Session
[17:46] <mgariepy> highvoltage, congrats!
[17:49] <Davew_> Client has unity bar on left hand side--------Server which I logged in as Gnome has no such bar
[17:49] <Davew_> Server looks like Gnome fallback which it should be
[17:51] <mgariepy> ok and is your menu applied correctly ?
[17:51] <mgariepy> Davew, what modification did you try to do ?
[17:51] <Davew_> On wwhich machine ?
[17:51] <mgariepy> the menu modification in gnome
[17:54] <Davew_> I assigned the menu  I created in menu editor, to the group students and logged in as one of those students. I logged in to the server
[17:55] <Davew_>  after selecting Gnome before doing this
[17:57] <Davew_> Could I suggest that you tell me what menu you would like to see and I will attempt to create it for you
[17:58] <mgariepy> Davew, there is a bug in the game menus, so hiding items from accessory menu should be fine.
[17:59] <Davew_> OK will be back
[18:08] <Davew_> I have done what was asked- what do you want me to look for that is accessory related on the unity client sctreen
[18:12] <mgariepy> is the accessory menu modified when using a gnome fallback session ?
[18:17] <Davew_> Yes, I have logged in the client on a second machine and Accessory is not shown
[18:17] <Davew_> This is in Gnome
[18:20] <Davew_> With no session selection it defaults to Unity - which is not good. Can I make it be ONLY Gnome fall back ?
[18:21] <mgariepy> add this to lts.conf: LDM_SESSION='gnome-session --session=gnome-fallback'
[18:25] <Davew_> mgariepy, can I thank you. There are two Gnome options when you log in - should it always be Gnome Classic.
[18:29] <mgariepy> Davew, should be gnome-classic (no effect)
[18:31] <Davew_> Thank you again. I need to eat and shall go home now. I would like to do some documentation on Edubuntu LTSP, whom should I contact ?
[18:32] <mgariepy> Davew, you should poke highvoltage about this.
[18:33] <Davew_> will do and thank you again.
[18:33] <mgariepy> Davew, you are welcome
[18:33] <highvoltage> mgariepy: nice try
[18:33] <highvoltage> Davew_: I think it will be best subscribing to the edubuntu-devel mailing list on http://lists.ubuntu.com
[18:33] <Davew_> highvoltage, the offer is there, I would like to help
[18:34] <highvoltage> Davew_: feel free to send an introduction and explain some of the work you intend to do, and thanks in advance for your work :)
[18:34] <Davew_> Will comply, thank you.
[18:35] <highvoltage> great!
[18:35] <mgariepy> highvoltage, i knew you knew how to do it ;P
[18:35] <mgariepy> highvoltage, i haven't been too close to all that recently. ;)
[18:36] <highvoltage> stgraber: what's up with edubuntu-live?
[18:39] <stgraber> highvoltage: translation update
[18:47] <highvoltage> ah