[00:17] <ls612> Is there a compat-wireless package with the alx driver yet for 12.10 beta 2?
[00:18] <C-S-B> My laptop will not shutdown/reboot once I have logged in. suspend is fine.
[00:30] <trism> ls612: did you ever get it working for 12.04?
[00:31] <ls612> yes, I'm typing this in 12.04.1
[00:49] <k1gwb> Has anyone tried playing MP3's on Quantal from a Windows network share? I can't get them to play. I CAN, however, open/play ANY other files, movies, other audio formats, PDFs, pictures, etc. And the SAME MP3s that won't work from the network share DO play if first copied to the local machine.
[00:49] <k1gwb> Also this worked flawlessly on 12.04. Can't find any other reports of it so wasn't sure if doesn't affect anyone else, or maybe no one else has tried this use case...
[01:01] <bjsnider> k1gwb, is there an error message?
[01:04] <k1gwb> bjsnider: Well, in VLC it says Your input can't be opened. Unable to open the MRL (samba path)
[01:04] <k1gwb> Check the log for details. Tried in rhythmbox and mplayer also and rhythmbox just sits there attempting to play whereas mplayer grays out and becomes unresponsive.
[01:05] <k1gwb> it's just weird it's ONLY mp3's, and only when on the network share. MP3s play locally, and wav, avi, MP4, etc all play from the same network share.
[01:39] <k1gwb> Anyone have Ubuntu 12.10 on one Machine and Window 7 on another? :)
[01:40] <Daekdroom> I have them both on the same machine.
[01:41] <k1gwb> Hmm. Maybe I'll try booting off the live CD to see if I can confirm this as a bug. Still can't play MP3's from a Windows network share no matter what I try. But ONLY MP3's. Everything else works fine off the Windows share, and MP3's work fine off the local machine.
[01:42] <IdleOne> maybe permissions
[01:42] <IdleOne> Can't think of anything else
[01:43] <k1gwb> yeah I don't think it's permissions though cause I can copy the mp3 from the share onto the local machine and play it. I can also play/open other files from the same share (wav, avi, mp4, jpg, pdf, doc, etc) just fine.
[01:44] <k1gwb> Also, they worked fine yesterday on 12.04. I've been working with them a lot lately.
[01:44] <k1gwb> And nothing has changed on the Windows computer, and the other machines (both 12.04 and Windows 7) can still play them fine from the share.
[01:44] <k1gwb> So it is really just 12.10 that seems affected.
[01:46] <IdleOne> report a bug,
[01:46] <Daekdroom> Against Samba.
[01:46] <IdleOne> yup
[01:47] <Daekdroom> It's highly unlikely that VLC and mplayer and gstreamer all share the same flaw.
[01:47] <Daekdroom> In the same release :P
[01:47] <Daekdroom> Can't think of anything to blame but Samba.
[01:47] <k1gwb1> ha yeah. Is the samba version different in 12.10 versus 12.04?
[01:47] <IdleOne> probably
[01:48] <RiXtEr> smb -V
[01:48] <RiXtEr> err
[01:48] <IdleOne> !info samba
[01:48] <RiXtEr> smbd -V rather.
[01:48] <Daekdroom> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba
[01:48] <k1gwb1> 3.6.6
[01:48] <IdleOne> !info samba pangolin
[01:48] <IdleOne> !info samba precise
[01:48] <k1gwb1> aha. Interesting.
[01:48] <RiXtEr> only bugfixes from 3.6.3 to 3.6.6
[01:49] <IdleOne> bugfix could have introduced a regression/bug
[01:49] <k1gwb1> any involving MP3s? ;)
[01:49] <RiXtEr> what are you using for your client?
[01:49] <RiXtEr> smbclient?
[01:49] <RiXtEr> or a mount -t smbfs or mount -t cifs ?
[01:50] <RiXtEr> or is samba serving from ubuntu to windows?
[01:50] <k1gwb1> I connected via nautilus
[01:50] <RiXtEr> I think there are interesting things with the nautilus samba client
[01:51] <k1gwb1> Ah well it always worked great for me in 12.04
[01:51] <RiXtEr> what is the issue now?
[01:51] <bjsnider> i think the sahres are mounted to ~/.gvfs/
[01:51] <bjsnider> shares
[01:52] <k1gwb> Yeah I used to be able to cd to .gvfs from within ~ and see the shares there
[01:52] <k1gwb> but now if I try to cd to .gvfs it says bash: cd: .gvfs: Transport endpoint is not connected
[01:53] <k1gwb> But I can still browse the shared folder in nautilus.
[01:54] <k1gwb> RiXtEr: If you didn't catch it, it seems I can't play MP3s from a network share via Samba in 12.10. I can play any other type of file including other sound formats and movies from the same share. And I can also play MP3s locally. (including the same ones that won't play via samba, after copying and pasting them over the network)
[01:55] <RiXtEr> k1gwb, ah yes I missed that sorry.
[01:55] <RiXtEr> what does the 'mount' command show you?
[01:56] <k1gwb> !pastebin
[01:57] <k1gwb> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1268565/
[01:59] <k1gwb> just to reiterate, I can play wav files from the exact same folder...and movies and everything else.
[02:00] <RiXtEr> the same application playing the wav's can't play the mp3's or is it a different application?
[02:00] <k1gwb> VLC, mplayer, rhythmbox all can't play the MP3s and all can play the wavs, mp4s etc
[02:01] <RiXtEr> that is very strange...
[02:01] <k1gwb> Quite.
[02:02] <k1gwb> Found this from 2007 haha http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=143410
[02:06] <k1gwb> "Your input can't be opened: VLC is unable to open the MRL 'smb://Desktop1/G drive/Wedding Planning/Music/1 - Pre Ceremony/001 Bach -Sheep May Safely Graze.mp3'. Check the log for details."
[02:12] <Daekdroom> http://xkcd.com/979/
[02:14] <k1gwb> yes exactly
[02:18] <k1gwb> I'm building samba 3.6.8 from source to see if that fixes it
[02:36] <Num83rGuy> anyone know how to get a D-Link DWL 520 wireless card working?
[10:28] <IdleOne> !info skype-bin
[10:29] <vivid> IdleOne, just ninja it from precise....its how i got acroread
[10:30] <IdleOne> not in precise either
[10:30] <vivid> its in the partner repository
[10:32] <IdleOne> thanks
[10:32] <bazhang> !info skype-bin partner
[10:32] <vivid> !info acroread partner
[10:32] <vivid> so that means its available now?
[10:33] <bazhang> yep
[10:33] <vivid> no trickery or magic!
[10:33] <bazhang> try it
[10:33] <vivid> im using precise currently
[10:33] <bazhang> then thats fine
[11:47] <codescience> anything interesting about ubuntu 12.10 server?
[12:01] <BluesKaj> Hey all
[12:14] <Pedrolito> is it normal that 'Alt+F2' doesn't bring the 'run'dialog?  Incidentally, I cannot remap Control+Space to the launcher program Kupfer
[12:15] <jokerdino> Pedrolito: it should unless you have accidentally remapped it
[12:15] <Pedrolito> I haven't remapped anything...
[12:15] <jokerdino> you are on unity yes?
[12:15] <Pedrolito> yes
[12:16] <jokerdino> go to keyboard and check through the shortcut settings
[12:16] <Pedrolito> ok
[12:18] <Pedrolito> nothing is remapped to Ctrl+Space or Alt+F2 there
[12:18] <jokerdino> shrug.
[12:18] <jokerdino> i'll check. brb
[12:18] <Pedrolito> ok
[12:19] <jokerdino> well, i found this. bug 1011647
[12:20] <Pedrolito> that confirms the Alt+F2 problem
[12:21] <Pedrolito> well, except that I don't get to type anything
[12:21] <Pedrolito> nothing appears after I press Alt+F2
[12:22] <jokerdino> i don't have your problem here.
[12:22] <jokerdino> did you upgrade from 12.04?
[12:22] <Pedrolito> yes
[12:22] <jokerdino> might help if you can blow away from your configuration files.
[12:22] <jokerdino> but you would lose your customizations.
[12:22] <Pedrolito> the Control+Space for kupfer was working yesterday
[12:23] <Pedrolito> you mean wipe all my dot files and dot directories?
[12:23] <jokerdino> not everything but almost.
[12:23] <jokerdino> one sec.
[12:23] <jokerdino> try http://askubuntu.com/questions/56313/how-do-i-reset-gnome-to-the-defaults
[12:24] <philinux> alt f2 opens run a command lens here
[12:24] <jokerdino> i suspect a stale config file somewhere.
[12:25] <Pedrolito> ok, I'm trying wiping the config files
[12:25] <philinux> this is a clean install beta 2 including clean home
[12:25] <jokerdino> same here.
[12:25] <jokerdino> i reinstalled on october 3
[12:26] <philinux> mind u what commands can it run
[12:27] <philinux> seems a bit limited to apps so I cant see the point unless I'm missing something
[12:31] <Pedrolito> didn't change the situation :(
[12:31] <jokerdino> Try logging out and back in.
[12:31] <Pedrolito> I just did that
[12:31] <jokerdino> If you haven't already done so.. alright.
[12:32] <Pedrolito> I noticed I'm not getting the HUD thing when I'm pressing Alt
[12:32] <jokerdino> Hm
[12:32] <philinux> Pedrolito: sounds like bad config
[12:33] <Pedrolito> I did not change anything on the system between yesterday when everything was working fine and today
[12:34] <philinux> Pedrolito: I'd try a unity reset > dconf reset -f /org/compiz/
[12:34] <Pedrolito> the only thing I did besides webbrowsing and coding were installing updates
[12:34] <Pedrolito> I did that too philinux
[12:34] <philinux> very odd then
[12:35] <philinux> I'm up to date and all ok
[12:35] <jokerdino> just fine here
[12:36] <Pedrolito> oh well, I'm going to try to debug kupfer to see why it cannot register control+space, maybe I'll see what's going wrong then
[12:36] <Pedrolito> thanks for your help guys
[12:36] <jokerdino> good luck Pedrolito
[12:37] <philinux> ok happy bug hunting
[14:29] <Gamoder_> Hi everyone, I got the following problem: whenever I click on an embedded object in any libre office application (e.g. writer or calc) and then click on the the "rest" of the document, libre office crashes. Is this a known problem?
[14:30] <Gamoder_> unfortunately, there seems to be no stacktrace
[14:30] <Gamoder_> at least it isn't displayed
[14:31] <Gamoder_> I am using XFCE as desktop environment, if that matters - 64 bit ubuntu 12.10
[15:12] <phoenix_firebrd> nepomuk forgets the indexed files after restart. the files are in drives which are mounted manually
[15:30] <MonkeyDust> i've installed quantal and am unable to login from lightdm - i'm now iw a terminal session (ctrl-alt-f1) - installed fallback session, not better - hints and tips?
[15:30] <bazhang> fresh install or upgrade
[15:30] <MonkeyDust> fresh install
[15:31] <bazhang> I had the exact same issue with a fresh install
[15:31] <MonkeyDust> how did you solve it?
[15:31] <bazhang> the graphics became a huge black and white checkerboard, and completely unresponsive
[15:32] <MonkeyDust> just a normal lightdm screen here, can login with guest user, but not with the normal user
[15:32] <bazhang> I never was able to complete the fresh install as a result
[15:32] <bazhang> so you got much further than I did
[15:33] <MonkeyDust> yihaa
[15:33] <bazhang> I never got past the choosing language section
[15:33] <MonkeyDust> back to 12.04... another 15 minutes ;)
[15:40] <designbybeck> Random question. When Ubuntu comes out with say 12.10.... and they have 12.04.1LTS... do they just build upon that?
[15:40] <designbybeck> just curious as to how they do it
[15:40] <designbybeck> .
[15:42] <jpds> designbybeck: Build on what
[15:42] <jpds> ?
[15:43] <designbybeck> is 12.10 built on top of 12.04.01
[15:43] <designbybeck> i guess I'm wondering if all the updates thus far, get put into 12.10
[15:43] <jpds> designbybeck: In a way, it continues from 12.04.
[15:43] <designbybeck> like when you do a new install, and you already hve some new updates
[15:43] <Daekdroom> All updates there is in 12.04.1 from 12.04 should be in 12.10
[15:44] <jpds> designbybeck: That's because the ISO has a fixed set of packages.
[15:44] <Daekdroom> Otherwise issues might happen.
[15:44] <designbybeck> gotcha
[15:45] <designbybeck> I just tried LinuxMint Cinnamon with my laptop I'm on now. It reminded me of Ubuntu 10.04-11.04 as far as how it handled the ATI video card
[15:45] <designbybeck> such a pain. But since Ubuntu 11.10 things have been great
[15:46] <designbybeck> I've got a new system coming in the next few days that I was debating on what distro to go with
[15:46] <designbybeck> but I'm thinking I might just have to go with 12.10 afterall!
[15:47] <BluesKaj> designbybeck,  which graphics in the new system ? Some ati cards are having issues in 12.10 ubuntu
[15:47] <designbybeck> the new system will be a 1GB Quadro NVIDIA
[15:48] <designbybeck> 16GB Ram Quadcore Xeon 256SSD
[15:48] <designbybeck> BluesKaj: On my laptop I might just stay with Ubuntu 12.04 which is running decently with this ATI card, or go to something like LinuxMint XCFE
[15:48] <designbybeck> so that it is a lil' lighterweight
[15:49] <BluesKaj> then you should be ok  , most nvidia run fine on 12.10
[15:49] <designbybeck> :D
[15:52] <BluesKaj> yeah even my laptop with intel graphics is fine on 12.04 , but a friend with ati laptop graphics is having probs with unity so he switched to kde , problems went away ...lesser load on the gpu , a lighter form of compiz in kwin
[15:52] <designbybeck> ah yes, I've always thought kwin was pretty sleek and polished
[15:52] <designbybeck> I haven't tried the beta for Kubuntu 12.10
[15:53] <designbybeck> guess I could just wait a few more days to do that
[15:53] <BluesKaj> i'm sticking with 12.04 on the laptop 'til the end of november , then I'll try 12.10
[15:54] <designbybeck> Ubuntu or Kubuntu BluesKaj?
[15:55] <servaas>  xubuntu 12.10 high cpu load for mountall --daemon, gvfs-udisks2-volume-monitor
[15:55] <BluesKaj> oh kubuntu always ..I tried to like ubuntu , but it never did much for me
[15:56] <designbybeck> ;)
[16:00] <designbybeck> BluesKaj:  you ever try LinuxMint KDE?
[16:03] <BluesKaj> designbybeck, no ,but I have thought about it
[16:03] <designbybeck> I might have another look at it myself
[16:07] <designbybeck> hey BluesKaj, what is your KDE setup like? Do you customize it a lot? Awesome tweaks? change up the docks and such? Or do you stay pretty stock?
[16:09] <BluesKaj> designbybeck, , I'm not big on eyecandy , std themes , no docks , but Iam particula rabout having a different wall paper for each desktop , landscape photos of my area
[16:10] <designbybeck> ah yes
[16:10] <designbybeck> cool
[16:10] <BluesKaj> or more like lake scapes :)
[16:10] <designbybeck> nice!
[16:10] <designbybeck> i've found that Linux Mint comes with some cool ones
[16:15] <designbybeck> One thing I really like about the whole Linux DE community and such is that most all applications will run on other DEs
[16:15] <designbybeck> might not look the same, but most of the time it at least works
[16:16] <BluesKaj> wallpapers like this one designbybeck ..Wife's Family cottage shoreline and lake view ,http://imagebin.org/231396
[16:17] <designbybeck> sweet! BluesKaj pretty awesome when it's a place you've been! ;) Most places i have on wallpapers I only dream of going to!
[16:18] <BluesKaj> it's bit large due to screen size but ctrl - will bring it down
[16:18] <designbybeck> ah 8desktops! iis that because you have dual monitors?
[16:18] <BluesKaj> yeah , nothern Ontario , it's actually an ancient crater
[16:18] <designbybeck> do you use all the desktops a lot? I find I don't use the others much because I have a dual screen setup
[16:19] <BluesKaj> nope I designbybeck , I just like to use one desktop per app :)
[16:19] <designbybeck> what size monitor do you have?
[16:20] <BluesKaj> it's actually our TV , 42" panasonic plasma
[16:20] <designbybeck> OOHHhhh
[16:20] <designbybeck> at home I have a system hooked to my 42" lg
[16:20] <designbybeck> pretty good setup for the most part
[16:22] <BluesKaj> yerah , this pc is a basic media server for audio and video , but wife also has her own pc so get to play on this
[16:22] <BluesKaj> I get to
[16:25] <BluesKaj> we 're both retired ..so I have plenty of time on my hands to fool with linux etc ...gotta fix the hinges on the laptop tho ...one of these days :)
[16:26] <designbybeck> :)
[16:27] <designbybeck> I was just looking at my LinuxDistro folder, I've got 28 of them in there  for about 24.4GB of space
[16:27] <designbybeck> I guess collecting LinuxDistros is my hobby! ;)
[16:27] <bazhang> !adlens
[16:29] <BluesKaj> designbybeck, any advantages using linux mint over ubuntu other than stability ?
[16:30] <designbybeck> well like I said the headache I had with LinuxMint and the ATI card just turned me off to the whole thing. But what I did see on another system, I was liking Cinnamon, seemed to have the best of all the worlds
[16:30] <designbybeck> felt lighter than Unity
[16:30] <designbybeck> ....well best of all worlds meaning Gnome/Unity
[16:33] <BluesKaj> does mint offer kde as an option ?'
[16:33] <designbybeck> yes
[16:33] <designbybeck> as well as XCFE
[16:33] <designbybeck> which I think they did a good job of bringing some visual elements/eyecandy from Mint to the XCFE at least
[16:34] <designbybeck> KDE looks pretty much the same
[16:36] <BluesKaj> I've tried a few other non-debian-based distros , but the package management systems don't measure up to dpkg , so I felt deprived :)
[16:36] <designbybeck> yeah that is what one of the lead developers from Google Said about why they use Ubuntu
[16:36] <designbybeck> did you see that article!? It was great!!!
[16:37] <phoenix_firebrd> nepomuk forgets the indexed files after restart. the files are in drives which are mounted manually. Using Kubuntu 12.10 beta 2
[16:38] <designbybeck> BluesKaj: He replied, “We chose Debian because packages and apt [Debian's basic software package programs] are light-years ahead of RPM http://www.zdnet.com/the-truth-about-goobuntu-googles-in-house-desktop-ubuntu-linux-7000003462/
[16:38] <BluesKaj> designbybeck, no don't think I saw the article.
[16:44] <designbybeck> BluesKaj:  what I don't understand is how Google says things like this, but doesn't have a Google Drive for Linux yet!? and other things like supporting ODT format natively in Google Docs/Drive
[16:44] <designbybeck> i saw someone post about that this mroning
[16:44] <phoenix_firebrd> nepomuk forgets the indexed files after restart. the files are in drives which are mounted manually. Using Kubuntu 12.10 beta 2
[17:02] <designbybeck> BluesKaj: on another note.... Okular for PDFs have you used it?
[17:03] <BluesKaj> yes , designbybeck , works fine IME
[17:04] <designbybeck> have you tried to do any Annotation with it
[17:04] <BluesKaj> designbybeck, I havent created any PDfs , but okular handles exiting ones just fine
[17:05] <designbybeck> I've been trying to find a solution for faculty to annotate on students papers, but the only thing that I don't like about Okular is that the Annotation feature, lets you turn it on click draw, but turns off after you draw
[17:05] <designbybeck> so you can pretty much only write one letter at a time
[17:05] <silverarrow> I have a new USB 16GB flash, and it is formatted to windows 95 fat?
[17:05] <designbybeck> unless I'm using it wrong. and it would be great because it runs on all platforms
[17:07] <edgy> hi, what package I need to install to make this page work? https://www.java.com/en/download/testjava.jsp
[17:07] <bazhang> java?
[17:08] <bazhang> you want the openJDK or the one from oracle
[17:08] <edgy> I installed openjdk and icedtea-7-plugin:amd64
[17:08] <edgy> openjdk-7-jre:amd64 is installed
[17:09] <edgy> bazhang: but neither firefox nor chrome can view the java applet there
[17:09] <edgy> bazhang: can you please test yourself, may be it's a bug
[17:09] <bazhang> yep tested
[17:09] <bazhang> openjdk only here
[17:10] <edgy> bazhang: which version? 7?
[17:10] <bazhang> does not work
[17:10] <edgy> bazhang: so it's not working for you too?
[17:10] <bazhang> edgy, whatever 12.10 has
[17:10] <bazhang> edgy, correct
[17:10] <edgy> bazhang: quantal has many versions
[17:11] <bazhang> !find openjdk
[17:11] <bazhang> 7 then
[17:13] <bazhang> !info openjdk-7-jre
[17:27] <BluesKaj> major upgrade , 230
[17:27] <BluesKaj> on the kubuntu side
[17:28] <designbybeck> oh?
[17:29] <BluesKaj> yeah , still upgrading
[17:30] <designbybeck> I'm trying to install LinuxMint KDE on this old 512MB P4 system
[17:30] <BluesKaj> takes a while with this older DSL connection
[17:30] <designbybeck> These are the ones we gave away this past weekend with our TexOS Project, I feel bad because Xubuntu wasn't very "awesome" for the students and seemed sluggish
[17:31] <designbybeck> already LinuxMint XCFE has preformed better on it, and I'm trying the KDE
[17:31] <BluesKaj> yeah 512Ram may not cut it for kde
[17:33] <BluesKaj> oops , forgot the terminal was ssh'd into the laptop , that's 12.04 upgrade coming down the pipe :)
[17:34] <designbybeck> ah
[17:35] <BluesKaj> yeah , it hasn't been updated/upgraded for a while ....rarely turn it on these days
[17:36] <edgy> bazhang: did you find a bug filed that java not working?
[17:37] <bazhang> edgy, I'd assume that oracle wants us to use their version
[17:37] <edgy> bazhang: openjdk is not related to oracle, it's developed by the community, no?
[17:37] <bazhang> thats right
[17:38] <BluesKaj> I'll probly need to put a W7 partition on the laptop in the spring , since hotels are notorious for being linux-unfriendly IME  ..we plan to do some travelling in march / april
[17:39] <BluesKaj> ok BBL, stuff to do for a few mins
[17:40] <designbybeck> ah, luckly I haen't had a problem with hotels adn linux
[18:23] <MonkeyDust> installed quantal, unable to login from lightdm - i'm here ow using a terminal session (ctrl-alt-f1)
[18:23] <MonkeyDust> created another user, login ok, guest login ok, just not with my normal user - hints and tips?
[18:34] <trism> MonkeyDust: did you upgrade from 12.04?
[18:37] <trism> MonkeyDust: in any case check out /var/log/lightdm/lightdm.log (the other question was because if you used unity-2d in 12.04 there was a bug that was fixed 3 hours ago that wouldn't let you log in, so you might just need to upgrade)
[18:38] <MonkeyDust> trism  fresh install 12.10
[18:39] <trism> strange, definitely check out the lightdm.log as a start to see what sort of error is returned
[18:39] <trism> MonkeyDust: could you log in when you first installed? may have messed up ~/.Xauthority
[18:41] <MonkeyDust> log: paste.ubuntu.com/1269775
[18:41] <MonkeyDust> trism  no and never touched .Xauthority
[18:42] <MonkeyDust> didnt know it existed
[18:42] <trism> well you wouldn't touch it, I believe it generally gets corrupted when you accidently run a gui app with sudo
[18:42] <MonkeyDust> didnt, because I had no gui
[18:43] <trism> wrong part of the log, I need the part with the session selected
[18:43] <MonkeyDust> trism  it was tail, now i'll show the whole log
[18:44] <MonkeyDust> log: paste.ubuntu.com/1269787
[18:48] <trism> MonkeyDust: weird, is there an error in /var/log/auth.log for the gbachot user? (did you select autologin when installing?)
[18:49] <MonkeyDust> trism  no, not autoselect -- gbachot is the normal user
[18:49] <MonkeyDust> moment
[18:49] <trism> MonkeyDust: ~/.xsession-errors might be interesting too (and see if autologin is enabled in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf)
[18:50] <MonkeyDust> log: paste.ubuntu.com/1269801
[18:53] <trism> MonkeyDust: that looks fine
[18:54] <MonkeyDust> not seen from here
[18:54] <trism> though the lightdm-autologin still makes me think that autologin might be in /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[18:55] <trism> guess that just leaves ~/.xsession-errors to see if anything is crashing in there
[18:56] <trism> though it would be strange for a fresh install for the main user not to work but new users do, did you preserve /home or anything in the install?
[18:58] <MonkeyDust> not better after reboot
[18:59] <trism> MonkeyDust: I do notice in auth.log 'auth could not identify password for [gbachot]' do you have any strange characters in the password?
[19:00] <MonkeyDust> no, a-z 0-9 characters, the passwd is accepted when i login in a terminal session
[19:01] <trism> MonkeyDust: okay, how about ~/.xsession-errors for the user
[19:01] <MonkeyDust> trism, i entered false passwd on purpose, got an error msg, didnt get that before
[19:04] <MonkeyDust> .xsession-errors: paste.ubuntu.com/1269824
[19:07] <trism> MonkeyDust: that is interesting is byobu installed?
[19:10] <MonkeyDust> some byobu error, installed byobu, not better (byobu is an extenion for screen, i no longer use it
[19:10] <MonkeyDust> )
[19:11] <trism> MonkeyDust: did you preserve /home in this fresh install?
[19:12] <MonkeyDust> trism  yes
[19:14] <trism> MonkeyDust: did .xsession-errors change at all after installing byobu? I'm not certain how byobu gets set as default like that so not sure how to disable it
[19:15] <trism> MonkeyDust: generally in .xsession-errors when starting the ubuntu session you should see a bunch of compiz plugins loading, so only seeing those couple lines is odd
[19:16] <MonkeyDust> trism  i never liked from the start, i'm used to fallback mode
[19:16] <MonkeyDust> liked compiz/unity
[19:16] <trism> MonkeyDust: if you install gnome-panel , restart lightdm and try to log in to the Classic (no effects) session does it work?
[19:17] <MonkeyDust> trism  already tried that, not better
[19:18] <MonkeyDust> screen freezes, restart, brb
[19:23] <trism> MonkeyDust: I checked line 27 in lightdm-session, and it seems the error is from sourcing .profile, probably not keeping you from logging in but you may want to remove the byobu stuff
[19:25] <trism> MonkeyDust: ls -l ~/.Xauthority; out of curiosity, not root owned is it? otherwise something in your home directory is keeping it from logging in but hard to tell what
[19:26] <bandit-led> could some one check latest libreoffice writer and see if they can paste text into a table?
[19:26] <trism> MonkeyDust: maybe some clues in /var/log/Xorg.0.log but otherwise may just need to move/delete your dotfiles out of the way until it lets you log in
[19:26] <bandit-led> Libreoffice Version 3.6.2.2
[19:27] <bandit-led> never mind its a wine issue not libreoffice
[20:07] <BvL> Hi I need a little help, I'm getting a kernel panic on my macbook (2,1), which was not present on 12.04 LTS
[20:07] <BvL> I installed Ubuntu on a external hard drive, I built a uefi comparable grub v2.00 in order to use the external drive
[20:07] <BvL> I looked in my log files and I couldn’t find this boot time kernel panic,
[20:08] <BvL> I came form the #ubuntu channel (I was suggested to try this channel by wilee-nilee), TJ- (#ubuntu channel) suggested i may be able use a "usb serial link" to get the kernel logs, but I don’t have that
[20:09] <smallfoot-> when i can haz firefox 16?
[20:09] <BvL> any additional advice would be appreciated
[20:09] <TJ-> BvL: I think video recording the screen may be the fastest way to grab the panic; without a serial port things get complicated. You can also set up a tcp connection back to a simple TCP client like netcat, but it can be difficult to set-up
[20:11] <BvL> Tj- after i capture the bug, would i have to retype the whole contents of my kernel log
[20:12] <BvL> TJ- i got the the error but its i dont understand the error
[20:13] <TJ-> You only really need the lines that detail the PANIC itself, which will include a stacktrace showing where in each function the CPU was when the panic occured
[20:15] <BvL> whats a stacktrace? is it [    0.981514]
[20:18] <BvL> everything seams fine until i get an bug - then i get an oops - and a couple of dozen lines later i get a "kernel panic - not syncing: attempt to kill init!"...
[20:19] <smallfoot-> BvL, no a stacktrace is something you get with a debugger (such as gdb)
[20:27] <designbybeck> USB ImageWriter vs UNetbBootin
[20:27] <designbybeck> or what else do you guys use for creating USBs
[20:27] <BvL> 	
[20:27] <BvL> smallfoot- I'm still unsure what a stacktrace is, could you point me towards an example?
[20:27] <designbybeck> Unetbootin' seems old
[20:27] <BvL> in my error I do have a stack, or a call trace but I don’t think your referring to that
[20:28] <designbybeck> but it does the job
[20:29] <smallfoot-> BvL, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stack_trace
[20:33] <BvL> smallfoot-: Oops: 0010 [#1] SMP?
[20:34] <smallfoot-> BvL, doesn't look like a stacktrace, but idk, maybe your 'dmesg' output could be useful
[20:35] <BvL> smallfoot-: I cant find the error in my logs, would 'dmesg' still show it? (boot time kernel panic)
[20:36] <TJ-> BvL:  Look at this bug for an example of the stacktrace. It starts with the "EIP: [<....." line bug #1029704
[20:36] <smallfoot-> no
[20:43] <BvL> Thanks everyone
[21:03] <smallfoot-> i can has firefox 16?
[21:04] <bjsnider> firefox is up to 16 now? it will be at 100 by this time next year
[21:12] <smallfoot-> ya it is
[21:12] <smallfoot-> its 1 new release every month
[21:13] <smallfoot-> firefox daily trunk is actually version 19
[21:13] <smallfoot-> and google chrome is 22
[21:13] <smallfoot-> chrome-dev is v24
[22:09] <smallfoot-> thanks for firefox 16!! IM HAPPY NOW!!
[22:09] <smallfoot-> firefox <3
[22:09] <smallfoot-> ubuntu <3
[22:09] <smallfoot-> unity </3
[22:13] <jpds> Unity's great.
[23:16] <smallfoot-> jpds, i hate adware
[23:17] <vivid> feels like 12.10 is full of it...
[23:17] <smallfoot-> yeah
[23:17] <smallfoot-> unity is adware
[23:17] <smallfoot-> the new ubuntu is adware, it sucks
[23:17] <vivid> i just disable it all, but it seems like i have to disable more stuff with every release
[23:17] <smallfoot-> oh
[23:18] <smallfoot-> yeah, i dont even use unity. i want to a menu to run software from, and unity is a slow, bloated kitchenthink that does everything but that... well it can do that, but it does it poorly
[23:19] <vivid> i disagree, but youre entitled to your opinion
[23:19] <vivid> removing unity-scope-musicstores and unity-scope-video-remote helps alot in precise..
[23:20] <smallfoot-> and mark shuttleworth can talk about value-added user experience improvement partner content delivery technology, but it basically means ADWARE
[23:20] <smallfoot-> yeah
[23:20] <smallfoot-> i got a script that removes those 2 packages
[23:21] <smallfoot-> but i don't like unity, and i think gnome went downhill with gnome3 too... so now whole linux has gone down
[23:21] <smallfoot-> i use gnome fallback session, but it got its bugs and i hear they are planning to remove it
[23:21] <vivid> i think youll find that unity becomes an excellently accepted desktop....after everyone gets off the i dont like it bandwagon
[23:22] <smallfoot-> maybe cinnamon (linux mint) or phantom (elementary) could be something
[23:22] <vivid> it also feels like 1995
[23:22] <smallfoot-> unity doesn't seem very well thought out for 24" screens, they made it on their netbook remix for 9" netbooks
[23:22] <vivid> works great on my 52" dont see how 24" would be any different
[23:23] <vivid> clean, simple, effective
[23:23] <smallfoot-> doesn't feel so 95 with compiz and fancy plugins
[23:23] <vivid> gnome legacy will always feel 1995
[23:23] <vivid> because its not moving forward
[23:23] <smallfoot-> maybe it doesn't have to
[23:23] <smallfoot-> a good paradigm is a good paradigm
[23:24] <vivid> aiming to solve bug #1 doesnt include outdated ineffecient desktops
[23:24] <smallfoot-> change for the sake of change is bad
[23:24] <vivid> if it did, that bug would be closed
[23:25] <smallfoot-> no it doesnt
[23:25] <smallfoot-> people want photoshop and call of duty 3
[23:25] <smallfoot-> does linux have that? no it doesnt
[23:25] <vivid> it will in the future
[23:25] <smallfoot-> doesn't matter how userfriendly or good linux is, its shit and ppl dont want it if doesnt have photoshop or crysis
[23:25] <vivid> thats not true, i use it every day and im an avid gamer
[23:26] <smallfoot-> well, your argument of "if it did, that bug would be closed" doesn't resonate with "it will in the future"
[23:26] <vivid> and gimp > photoshop
[23:26] <smallfoot-> i use linux everyday too, and i use gimp too... but gimp is better than photoshop? what are you smoking?
[23:26] <vivid> if the state of linux in 1995 (where gnome legacy is) could compete, the bug would be closed
[23:26] <smallfoot-> gimp doesn't support cmyk, doesn't support deep color depths
[23:26] <vivid> it supports me making fantastic artwork and websites
[23:27] <smallfoot-> yeah its good, you can do nice stuff with gimp, i use gimp... but claiming it is superior to photoshop is bs
[23:27] <vivid> sure it is, check the price tag
[23:27] <smallfoot-> better = features, functionality, ability to do things, not price tag
[23:27] <vivid> not to any business exec, $$ makes things move
[23:28] <bjsnider> how many people actually use photoshop?
[23:28]  * vivid does not raise hand
[23:28] <smallfoot-> well then nano is better than microsoft office, because ms office cost money and nano is free
[23:28] <smallfoot-> your logic is great lol
[23:28] <vivid> yea but, libreoffice is better than nano, so you compare apples to ocelots
[23:29] <smallfoot-> face it, ms office is superior to libreoffice
[23:29] <smallfoot-> and photoshop is superior to gimp
[23:29] <smallfoot-> anything else is a outright lie
[23:29] <vivid> i disagree, again, youre entitled to your opinion
[23:29] <smallfoot-> "but its free!" lol, get real
[23:30] <smallfoot-> does gimp support 16-bit color depth? no it does not! gimp is great for amateur use, but its not professional software
[23:30] <vivid> i wonder what the ratio of people using photoshop that bought it versus people that stole it
[23:30] <smallfoot-> doesnt matter
[23:30] <vivid> it does to me, if i was in to stealing why would i use linux?
[23:30] <smallfoot-> even if 100% downloaded photoshop, it doesnt matter, ITS STILL BETTER than gimp
[23:30] <smallfoot-> i dont know, why wouldn't you?
[23:31] <smallfoot-> if you were into stealing, you wouldn't use linux?
[23:31] <bjsnider> you can buy an oem version of photoshop for $100
[23:31] <vivid> no, id just steal windows 7 and use it..
[23:31] <smallfoot-> you imply that if you were into stealing, you would use microsoft windows because it is superior, but since you're not into stealing you use linux
[23:31] <bjsnider> it's superior at crashing and getting infected
[23:31] <vivid> no, youre putting words into my mouth.  its not better
[23:32] <smallfoot-> crashing? bullshit, windows is more stable than linux
[23:32] <smallfoot-> linux crashes far more often than windows does
[23:32] <vivid> yea....until you get some ridiculous virus and callhomes
[23:32] <vivid> after you agree to that license...
[23:32] <smallfoot-> experienced users don't get any viruses, its only idiots who do
[23:32] <smallfoot-> and when these idiots start using linux, they will get viruses on linux too
[23:32] <smallfoot-> idiocy can not be cured
[23:33] <vivid> the majority of the world probably qualifies as "idiot"
[23:33] <smallfoot-> and linux is in no way immune to viruses
[23:33] <vivid> though, i dont think anyone has urged you to use linux.....if you dont like it youre free to go your own way :p
[23:34] <smallfoot-> i like linux, i prefer it over windows, which is why i use it
[23:34] <smallfoot-> i also like linux
[23:34] <smallfoot-> i also like gimp
[23:34] <smallfoot-> but i do admit that photoshop is superior to gimp and that windows is more stable than ubuntu
[23:34] <vivid> so use those likes to change your attitude and eliminate what you think makes other applications superior
[23:34] <vivid> patches welcome
[23:35] <smallfoot-> if photoshop were free open source software and available for linux, i would use it because it is superior to gimp
[23:36] <vivid> if mars were habitable, i would live there
[23:37] <bjsnider> photoshop could be ported to linux without it being foss
[23:37] <bjsnider> although RMS would blow a gasket
[23:37] <vivid> could also be run with wine
[23:37] <vivid> or a VM
[23:39] <smallfoot-> unless its free software i don't want it... gimp is good enough for my needs (i don't do professional graphics work) even though its inferior compared to photoshop
[23:42] <vivid> i bet i could beat you in a debate on that :p
[23:43] <smallfoot-> yeah, with arguments like "gimp is free, photoshop cost money so that means gimp is better" lol
[23:43] <vivid> i wouldnt even say anything, i would just use it on three platforms and make amazing graphics in realtime
[23:43] <vivid> then let you....do the same
[23:44] <vivid> friendly debate, of course
[23:45] <smallfoot-> thats like "Software X works on DOS, OpenVMS, CP/M, IRIX, HP-UX, and AIX - all these platforms, software Y only runs on Windows, so that means software X is superior to software Y"
[23:46] <vivid> uh yeah.  thats an excellent factor especially when paired with professional work
[23:46] <vivid> i mean, i dont only use linux...i have several windows machines and a mac
[23:46] <smallfoot-> except that nobody gives a shit about DOS, OpenVMS, CP/M, IRIX, HP-UX, and AIX
[23:47] <vivid> i was hinting at linux/windows/mac, but those others are possibilities as well
[23:47] <smallfoot-> I only use Linux
[23:47] <vivid> my philosophy is bug 1 gets solved by supporting all platforms, so the software i write is always multi-platform
[23:47] <vivid> stop that ubottu
[23:48] <vivid> if only more influential developers agreed
[23:50] <smallfoot-> cross-platform is great, and i think its good that there are ppl who develope cross-platform software, but from a business pov it just increases development time and effort provides negative return on investment
[23:51] <vivid> yea i have a philosophy on that too
[23:51] <vivid> and the current state of world economics seems to support it :p