[00:05] <jasoncwarner_> hey robert_ancell and RAOF , apw reported this bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1063919 could you guys take a quick look? not sure where the problem might be.
[00:05] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1063919 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Additional flash to black at plymouth to X handoff" [Undecided,New]
[00:06] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, ech
[00:08] <robert_ancell> RAOF, afaict LightDM is continuing to do the right handshake with Plymouth, can you tell any further?
[00:24] <RAOF> I've asked for some clarification, but if the dots remain across the flash then that's highly odd; the dots are just another part of the framebuffer, like the rest.
[01:40] <RAOF> Oh, my. Final freeze really creeps up!
[01:44] <cyphermox> yup
[04:17] <jbicha> anyone interested in sponsoring ubuntu-docs?
[04:19] <jbicha> well it's lp:ubuntu-docs and I'm going to bed
[04:20] <jbicha> ooh, robert_ancell was piloting today
[04:20] <jbicha> language pack deadline is at an annoying time of day
[05:15] <pitti> Good morning
[05:15] <RAOF> Hey pittmeister flash!
[05:21] <pitti> lol
[05:22] <pitti> ¡ɐıןɐɹʇsnɐ ˙ɹɯ  ʎǝɥ
[05:23] <RAOF> Dear sbuild: faster!
[05:23] <RAOF> Or, rather, dear btrfs: please suck less, your features are enticing!
[05:42] <RAOF> pitti: Out of idle curiosity, how do you find those unicode codepoints?
[05:42] <pitti> RAOF: easy, I just turn my keyboard around
[05:42] <pitti> or LANG=en_AU.UTF-8 :-)
[05:42] <pitti> RAOF: nah, http://www.sevenwires.com/play/UpsideDownLetters.html
[05:42] <sarnold> ah! it's all clear to me now!
[05:43] <sarnold> flipping the _keyboard_ is a lot easier than flipping the monitor.
[05:43] <pitti> sarnold: the monitors are already upside down in Australia, so it should be just fine for RAOF
[05:47] <didrocks> good morning
[06:00] <TheMuso> pitti: And what do you suggest I do? :p
[06:01] <TheMuso> Or to be more precise, how does up side down monitors help me deal with that text?
[06:01] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[06:01] <pitti> TheMuso: hm, I guess you need a plugin to play the speech synthesis in reverse? then you can hear Elvis or some aliens talking
[06:02] <TheMuso> lol
[06:02] <pitti> didrocks: I noticed this on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-desktop-quality: "[didrocks] test screensaver and inhibit: DONE"
[06:02] <pitti> didrocks: where did you put that test?
[06:02] <pitti> didrocks: I ask because I have written some as well, as a WI in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/qa-q-add-test-coverage
[06:03] <didrocks> guten morgen pitti :)
[06:03] <pitti> didrocks: (aren't we great in coordinating?)
[06:03] <didrocks> pitti: I sent them by email to jibel 4 months ago
[06:03] <didrocks> he told me he would setup them
[06:03] <pitti> ah, I guess I'll talk to him then
[06:03] <didrocks> pitti: mine are integration tests
[06:03] <pitti> didrocks: mine as well
[06:03] <didrocks> argh, using keybindings, moving mouse?
[06:04] <pitti> didrocks: I was thinking of stuffing them in UTAH, so I created the necessary meta-files around them
[06:04] <pitti> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~pitti/+junk/desktop-tests/files
[06:04] <pitti> phone, brb
[06:04] <pitti> didrocks: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~pitti/+junk/desktop-tests/view/head:/tests/desktop-pm/gnome_screensaver.py
[06:05] <pitti> didrocks: it wasn't much lost, no worries
[06:05] <pitti> didrocks: I'm using xkl to simulate a key event
[06:05] <didrocks> pitti: ok, I hope that you will have some parts you can reuse. Mines are more from user perspective (having timeouting and so on, not playing that much with dbus
[06:05] <didrocks> but yeah, changing the gsettings keys :/
[06:09] <pitti> didrocks: did you find a way to change that temoprarily somehow?
[06:09] <pitti> didrocks: but anyway, I wanted integration tests as well, so actually changing them is what I want
[06:09] <pitti> it resets them at the end, though
[06:10] <pitti> didrocks: anyway, I'll talk to jibel
[06:10] <pitti> didrocks: merci!
[06:11] <didrocks> pitti: de rien ;)
[06:11] <didrocks> pitti: I sent him 3 set of tests
[06:12] <didrocks> screensaver, dconf blame and unity services running at startup
[06:49] <jibel> good morning
[06:49] <didrocks> salut jibel!
[06:50] <pitti> bonjour jibel
[06:50] <jibel> Bonjour pitti et didrocks , comment allez-vous ?
[06:51] <pitti> un peu fatigue, mais je vais bien, merci!
[06:51] <pitti> my compose key is broken today, not amused
[06:51] <pitti> gsettings are fine
[06:52] <jibel> pitti, too much Taekwondo again ?
[06:52] <pitti> jibel: it was quite intense yesterday, but I got up earlier again
[06:53] <pitti> my wife will come back home today, so I need to get used to waking up early :)
[06:53] <didrocks> ça va :)
[07:39] <tsdgeos> anyone knows what might be causing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/1043349 ?
[07:39] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1043349 in gnome-control-center "User Accounts reports wrong "Automatic Login" status when upgading from 12.04" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[08:01] <pitti> jibel: so didrocks told me he sent you some screensaver tests a while ago; are they running in jenkins anywhere?
[08:02] <seb128> hey pitti, hey desktopers
[08:02] <pitti> jibel: I discovered that I also have a work item for screensaver tests and have them in a +junk branch, but they aren't rolled out to anywhere as I'm not yet sure how to get UTAH tests into jenkins
[08:02] <pitti> bonjour seb128, c,a va?
[08:02] <seb128> pitti, oui, et toi ?
[08:03] <pitti> seb128: s'il vous plai^t corriger ma compose key! :-)
[08:03] <pitti> seb128: je vais bien!
[08:03] <seb128> elle a quoi la compose key?
[08:04] <pitti> I use "Scroll Lock"
[08:04] <seb128> pitti, je *suis* bien
[08:04] <seb128> (joking :p)
[08:04] <pitti> and it has worked fine until today
[08:04]  * seb128 hides
[08:04] <pitti> seb128: err, really?
[08:04] <seb128> no ;-)
[08:04] <pitti> ah, *phew*
[08:04]  * seb128 hugs pitti
[08:04] <pitti> dude, it took me so long to figure this out! :-)
[08:04]  * pitti hugs seb128 back
[08:04] <seb128> ;-)
[08:04] <RAOF> Yo, seb128!
[08:05] <pitti> so anyway, control-center still shows the right compose key for me, it just stopped working
[08:05] <seb128> pitti, compose broke today?! I don't think we changed anything
[08:05]  * pitti blames RAOF
[08:05] <seb128> RAOF, hey, how are you?
[08:05] <RAOF> seb128: A bit tired, but otherwise ok. Yourself?
[08:05] <jibel> pitti, uh, it vaguely remembers me something. didrocks sent me an email with it a while ago, one minute.
[08:05] <seb128> RAOF, not fully awake yet (working on it through coffee) but good I think ;-)
[08:05] <RAOF> :)
[08:06] <pitti> jibel: no hurry, I was mostly wondering where they are running (if they are)
[08:07] <pitti> seb128: do you know which component actually handles the compose key? in xev I just see the individual keys, but I wouldn't have a working version to compare against
[08:07] <pitti> is that somewhere in Gdk?
[08:08]  * RAOF has a sneaking suspicion that it's X
[08:08] <pitti> org.gnome.libgnomekbd.keyboard options ['terminate\tterminate:ctrl_alt_bksp', 'grp\tgrp:shifts_toggle', 'Compose key\tcompose:sclk']
[08:09] <seb128> pitti, I would say it's Xorg, though GTK let you choose input methods for e.g GtkTextView, not sure how that plays with compose
[08:09] <pitti> RAOF: do you know whether the compose key setting should appear somewhere in xprop -root?
[08:09] <pitti> (because it doesn't seem to be right now)
[08:10] <jibel> pitti, so ... I forwarded you 2 emails from didrocks with 3 tests: dconf, screensaver and unity-services-startup
[08:10] <RAOF> pitti: It's likely to want to be in _XKB_RULES_NAMES
[08:10] <RAOF> _XKB_RULES_NAMES(STRING) = "evdev", "pc105", "us,us", "dvorak,", "ctrl:nocaps,compose:menu"
[08:10] <pitti> _XKB_RULES_NAMES(STRING) = "evdev", "pc105", "us", "", ""
[08:10] <pitti> that's what I suspected
[08:10]  * pitti tries to wiggle the settings in g-c-c
[08:10] <RAOF> pitti: Yeah, something in GNOME isn't setting the options correctly.
[08:10] <jibel> pitti, the tests are not running, because I was waiting for utah
[08:10] <pitti> jibel: right, so was I
[08:11] <pitti> jibel: I have mine UTAH-ified, but not sure where to submit them to
[08:11] <pitti> jibel: d'accord, merci!
[08:11] <pitti> so I wasn't missing something obvious
[08:11] <jibel> pitti, neither am i. I'll need some utah training at uds
[08:12] <pitti> RAOF, seb128: hm, so wiggling the setting in g-c-c helped
[08:12] <pitti> très bien!
[08:12] <seb128> pitti, did you get a g-s-d segfault today or something?
[08:12] <pitti> no, I didn't; gsd hasn't crashed in ages
[08:13] <pitti> anyway, I'll watch it, now that I know where to look
[08:13] <pitti> seb128, RAOF: thanks!
[08:13] <seb128> yw
[08:13] <pitti> _XKB_RULES_NAMES(STRING) = "evdev", "pc105", "us,de,us", ",nodeadkeys,dvorak", "terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp,grp:shifts_toggle,compose:sclk"
[08:13] <pitti> now it lokos correct again
[08:13] <pitti> "looks"
[08:14] <pitti> « î œ ø €  \o/
[08:16] <pitti> jibel: mails> oh, d'exercice français :)
[08:18] <pitti> didrocks: ah, so you use the autopilot bits; I just used xkl; otherwise these two look rather similar, so let's just take your's
[08:18] <jibel> pitti, oh sorry, I can translate it if you wish
[08:18] <pitti> jibel: nah, that's fine
[08:18] <didrocks> pitti: well, I don't want to compare my crappy code with your awesome work, yours is better I think :)
[08:18] <pitti> didrocks: I have a test that totem disables the idle handling, we could merge that
[08:18] <didrocks> ahah, excellent!
[08:19] <didrocks> pitti in french \o/
[08:19] <didrocks> yep :)
[08:19] <didrocks> jibel: nicely done! :p
[08:19] <pitti> didrocks: anyway, seems we are both blocked on being able to run UTAH tests in jenkins; once we do, we can merge those two and stick them in
[08:19] <didrocks> yep :)
[08:20] <pitti> didrocks: would you mind if I keep the xkl approach? much less code to carry around
[08:20] <pitti> err, "xte"
[08:20] <pitti> subprocess.check_call(['xte', 'key Shift_L'])
[08:20] <pitti> it's using XTest, just like autopilot (I think), so the result ought to be the same
[08:21] <pitti> didrocks: nice d-conf blame tests!
[08:22] <didrocks> pitti: sure sure :)
[08:22] <didrocks> pitti: thanks!
[09:07] <Laney> is there a webapp SRU planned?
[09:08] <Laney> I really want to cherry-pick for https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-firefox-extension/+bug/1060888
[09:08] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1060888 in webapps-greasemonkey "Web app prompt appears on every single page load" [Undecided,In progress]
[09:08] <Laney> hmm, maybe there's more changes needed for that
[09:14] <seb128> Laney, why SRU? we are not hard frozen yet and the fix seems trivial, you can probably try to get it in still
[09:14] <chrisccoulson> urgh, that is pretty hideous :(
[09:14] <Laney> seb128: I was more asking whether it was planned to include it anyway
[09:14] <Laney> like should I not bother trying to do an upload today
[09:15] <Laney> chrisccoulson: yes, yes it is very annoying. I found that bug because I went to report it myself :-)
[09:15] <seb128> Laney, I think they planned to get extra fixes in before release, whether they manage to be on time I don't know
[09:15] <seb128> Laney, I would suggest to wait a few hours for Ken to be online if that's still ok timeline wise
[09:15] <Laney> well, final freeze is today :P
[09:17] <Laney> seb128: I'll test it and then see what ken says
[09:18] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[09:19] <seb128> Laney, <willcooke> seb128: yeah, we'll have some fixes I expect.  It was public holiday in the US yesterday so we've got a couple to get in
[09:19] <seb128> Laney, they plan to roll some updates,fixes out today
[09:19] <Laney> great
[09:20] <Laney> can you ask that that one is included?
[09:20] <seb128> Laney, testing of the fix is still appreciated though! ;-)
[09:20] <seb128> Laney,
 willcooke, you plan to get those out today right? ;-)
 seb128: that one is on the hit list
[09:20] <seb128>  seb128: yes - today
[09:20] <Laney> excellent </mr burns>
[09:46] <didrocks> seb128: I think mterry will be best to do the change
[09:46] <didrocks> seb128: the settings is still changed in the ui and loaded from it
[09:46] <didrocks> but my feeling is that then, lightdm request again to account services to get the default session
[09:46] <didrocks> and I'm not really sure how this work for every case
[09:47] <didrocks> what is sure is that the initial patch is still called and change the session as it worked in the past
[09:47] <didrocks> so the regression should come with recent changes
[09:47] <seb128> didrocks, ok
[09:47] <seb128> didrocks, one easy "workaround" would be to ship an unity-2d.session or symlink in gnome-session
[09:47] <seb128> or .desktop (or both)
[09:48] <didrocks> seb128: doesn't work, we need in addition to that to have a Xsession script making the session name change
[09:48] <didrocks> seb128: as some scripts are relying on the "ubuntu" as a session name
[09:48] <didrocks> (or changing those as well, ensuring we don't miss one)
[09:49] <seb128> didrocks, can we do an unity-2d with a /bin/false as test and unity as fallback?
[09:49] <seb128> e.g force it to fallback to unity
[09:49] <seb128> that should be trivial and lead to use "unity"
[09:49] <seb128> ups
[09:49] <seb128> "ubuntu"
[09:49] <seb128> unity-2->ubuntu-2d
[09:49] <didrocks> seb128: hum, yeah, with a TryExec to false
[09:50] <didrocks> let me try this
[09:50] <didrocks> good idea
[09:50] <didrocks> it should fallback to the default session
[09:50] <didrocks> which is the one we want :)
[09:50] <seb128> didrocks, thanks
[09:53] <didrocks> seb128: that was a good idea… unfortunately, lightdm doesn't use TryExec anymore
[09:53] <didrocks> it was working in the past, i'm sure of it
[09:54] <didrocks> also, it means the people using the gnome remix will see the ubuntu session now :/
[09:54] <seb128> damn lightdm
[09:54] <didrocks> I bet it's the migration to the account services which caused it
[09:55] <seb128> didrocks, can you reassign the bug to mterry with your hack attached? he knows lightdm's code better he might be able to help when he gets online
[09:55] <didrocks> seb128: last idea, trying to see tryexec to foo
[09:55] <didrocks> let's try that one first :)
[09:56] <didrocks> seb128: not better :/
[09:56] <seb128> :-(
[09:57] <didrocks> reassigning to mterry
[09:57] <seb128> thanks
[09:57] <didrocks> the issue with having ubuntu-2d session starting unity would be that there are some patches using DESKTOP_SESSION having to be rescope to use XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP
[09:57] <didrocks> I would have hope that we don't do that in a hurry :)
[09:58] <didrocks> oh on the bug:
[09:58] <didrocks>  - replace "XSession=ubuntu-2d" by "XSession=ubuntu"
[09:58] <didrocks> maybe that's what account services is using
[09:58] <didrocks> let me search for that one :)
[09:59] <didrocks> I see one! let's try :)
[10:01] <didrocks> no, that code isn't used :/
[10:01] <didrocks> I guess there is a second call to accountsservice at some point
[10:37] <chrisccoulson> g'ah, i hate compiz
[10:37] <chrisccoulson> brb
[11:10] <smspillaz> pitti: hey do you have that bug you filed yesterday handy ?
[11:11] <pitti> smspillaz: yes, bug bug 1063617
[11:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1063617 in compiz "1:0.9.8+bzr3319-0ubuntu1 regression: keeps setting gsettings keys to wrong values" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1063617
[11:12] <pitti> smspillaz: and hello, how are you?
[11:12] <smspillaz> cheerios
[11:12] <smspillaz> okaaayish
[11:12] <smspillaz> how are you ?
[11:12] <pitti> quite fine, just a bit tired
[11:12] <pitti> at least the bug is reproducible now
[11:12] <smspillaz> yeah strange for some reason I fixed something quite unrelated and can't get it anymore
[11:13] <smspillaz> I'm just going to revert my fix to the unrelated thing and check
[11:13] <smspillaz> I have a feeling I probably worked around it accidentally
[11:13] <pitti> smspillaz: it seems that something sets those gsettings keys after compiz evaluates them for its own config
[11:13] <smspillaz> right, it unsets them in fact
[11:13] <smspillaz> and its compiz doing it, I checked
[11:13] <smspillaz> but I wasn't sure why
[11:14] <pitti> smspillaz: maybe unset for some, but not for all
[11:14] <pitti> ['disabled']
[11:14] <smspillaz> right, just the integrated keys
[11:14] <pitti> that's not unset, that's set
[11:14] <pitti> the default is []
[11:14] <smspillaz> nah, its 'disabled'
[11:14] <smspillaz> I checked, its calling g_settings_reset
[11:14] <smspillaz> or whatever it is
[11:14] <jbicha> seb128: good morning, could you sponsor lp:ubuntu-docs?
[11:15] <pitti>     <key type="as" name="lower">
[11:15] <pitti>       <default>[]</default>
[11:15] <pitti>       <summary>Lower window below other windows</summary>
[11:15] <pitti>     </key>
[11:15] <pitti> smspillaz: ^
[11:15] <seb128> jbicha, hey, can do!
[11:15] <smspillaz> pitti: well, in any case, its compiz doing the setting of those keys :)
[11:16] <pitti> smspillaz: indeed; thanks in advance for looking at this!
[11:16] <smspillaz> np
[11:16] <smspillaz> its just taking me a while because I'm trying to figure out how to separate out of the bit of the code in question for test
[11:18] <pitti> smspillaz: I did a very simple check -- su to a fresh user, run dbus-launch xvfb-run bash, and the tried to alternate "compiz" with the gsettings set stuff
[11:18] <pitti> smspillaz: with that, compiz never changed any of the keys
[11:19] <pitti> but in that you can't run "unity" due to missing 3D stuff
[11:19] <pitti> it seems it needs some more environment
[11:21] <smspillaz> damn, I can't reproduce it anymore even with my old stack
[11:25] <pitti> smspillaz: you are trying with trunk or with current quantal?
[11:25] <smspillaz> trunk. I was able to get it yesterday with taht
[11:25] <smspillaz> *that
[11:25] <smspillaz> just hunting through the code to see where this could occurr anyways
[11:48] <mvo> glatzor: do you think  lp:~mvo/aptdaemon/lp1058038  is ok for a workaround for now? until the real python issue is fixed?
[11:51] <mvo> glatzor: eh, actually, there is no python fix (patch got rejected)
[11:55] <dpm> hey all, could someone help me with bug 1049025 ? It's been marked as Fix Released, but there hasn't been any upload that fixed the issue or an explanation about how and whether it's been actually fixed. I can still reproduce it, but I haven't got permissions to set it back to New. Could someone have a look at it, and if it makes sense, revert it to New?
[11:55] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1049025 in libreoffice "Can't select text/highlight using mouse" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1049025
[11:55] <dpm> Thanks
[11:55] <seb128> Sweetshark, ^
[11:55] <seb128> dpm, hey, how are you?
[11:56] <seb128> dpm, today is a good day to do upload with updated translations for things that don't use langpacks right?
[11:56] <dpm> hey seb128, yeah, today it's translations fest day :)
[11:56] <seb128> dpm, is there anything desktopish on that list out of those: shared-mime-info xdg-user-dirs language-selector update-notifier?
[11:57] <Laney> mvo: hey, how do I read this command-not-found data? (just to sanity check some entries?)
[11:57] <Laney> arch|component|binarypackage|executables,in,this,package?
[11:59] <dpm> seb128, I think that mostly covers it. The rest should be taken care of by the installer and docs teams. Here's the list, which we reduced to the most essential things: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TranslationDeadline - oh, an important one is also unity-firefox-extension, but I'm not sure who'll do the fetching and integration on that one. I've been talking to KenVandine and zaspire about that one
[11:59] <didrocks> seb128: oh oh, we are tuesday!
[11:59] <didrocks> seb128: early meeting reminder day :)
[11:59] <seb128> dpm, yeah, talk to kenvandine and,or chrisccoulson
[11:59] <mvo> Laney: yeah, exactly like this, sorry that its relatively large, there was a stale mirror on bignay that caused it to not update for a while
[12:00] <seb128> didrocks, thanks, too late, sent it this morning while you were playing with lightdm ;-)
[12:00] <Laney> np
[12:00] <didrocks> seb128: yeah, but it's not fair! :)
[12:00] <seb128> didrocks, :-p
[12:08] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: hey, I still see the chat button on, were there any progress on that front? :)
[12:09] <didrocks> also quick filter once more disappeared :/
[12:18] <seb128> desrt, hey
[12:29] <smspillaz> pitti: ugh, yeah this thing is going to take me about a week
[12:29] <smspillaz> just figuring out how to get the tests in place
[12:29] <smspillaz> the original integration code from the gconf days was not well thought out
[12:32] <seb128> smspillaz, can't you do a quick fix for quantal and then refactor and test in trunk?
[12:38] <smspillaz> seb128: not reallly, the fix itself is actually quite complex
[12:39] <smspillaz> I need to make the backend smarter about handling cases where an integrated key has one vaue and a compiz key has another
[12:39] <smspillaz> refactoring for test isn't a problem. I can get tests in place right now actually
[12:39] <smspillaz> so yeah, the fix is complicated, testing it not so much
[12:39] <seb128> ok
[12:39] <seb128> well I guess that will be for a SRU at best then...
[12:40] <smspillaz> isn't it desktop infrastructure freeze ?
[12:40] <seb128> no, today is hard freeze
[12:40]  * smspillaz was thinking of taking a holiday soon
[12:40] <didrocks> I wonder if the switch + revert that Mirv experienced in compiz isn't due to that ^
[12:40] <seb128> desktop infra freeze was last week
[12:41] <smspillaz> didrocks: eh, the integration code is a bit fragile really
[12:41] <seb128> smspillaz, well take your holidays when you feel like doing that, you shouldn't look to much at bugs and such for that
[12:42] <seb128> smspillaz, that bug while annoying is not a release blocker and it can wait a few extra weeks
[12:42] <smspillaz> yeah
[12:42] <smspillaz> I might just submit the fix for not writing out plugins-with-set-keys all the time now
[12:42] <didrocks> smspillaz: yeah, we only saw it with compiz and ted was blaming dconf, but I think that can be the real cause :)
[12:42] <didrocks> anyway, no hurry I think
[12:42] <smspillaz> since that was getting in the way of me debugging it
[12:43] <smspillaz> didrocks: well, I think I know what it is. I think there's a case where if you have a compiz key set to $X and an integrated key set to $Y (eg, through the migration script or whatever), if something triggers an update notification on the compiz key it will overwrite the gnome key
[12:43] <didrocks> smspillaz: yeah, hence the "it reverted to the previous value"
[12:43] <didrocks> more than possible
[12:43] <smspillaz> since I can definitely see a case where that can happen
[12:44] <didrocks> makes sense
[12:44] <smspillaz> in any case, I need to make it so that gnome keys have priority over this stuff, although I only want reading an inconsistent compiz key to reset the compiz key back to the gnome key when its inconsistent with the gnome key and not every time the key is read
[12:45] <smspillaz> and that isn't exactly straightforward to do at the moment
[12:46] <seb128> smspillaz, how come e.g pitti gets those keys having different values?
[12:46] <seb128> he seems to hit the bug randomly without doing config changes
[12:46] <Mirv> might be that the switch + revert was indeed the case sam was mentioning
[12:53] <didrocks> Mirv: I think so, we only saw it on compiz keys, right?
[12:53] <didrocks> Mirv: never on the default launcher or anything else IIRC
[13:01] <Mirv> didrocks: yes, only on a couple of compiz keys
[13:42] <Sweetshark> dpm: Could you try it with the ubuntu-proposed version? I set the bug back to fix commited, bug 1049025 comment 15 seemed to have been a bit overambitioned when setting it to released.
[13:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1049025 in libreoffice "Can't select text/highlight using mouse" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1049025
[13:43] <dpm> Sweetshark, I just did after I noticed 3.6.2 in -proposed, and it seems to have fixed it \o/
[13:44] <dpm> I'll add a comment to the bug
[13:44] <Sweetshark> dpm: and please also do some prayers that 1:3.6.2~rc2-0ubuntu3 finishes on armhf
[13:45]  * dpm lights up some candles
[14:00] <seb128> mvo, hey, do you plan an update-notifier upload before release (asking before looking at if it needs an upload for translations update)
[14:04] <mvo> seb128: not currently but I can look at this later today hopefully
[14:04] <seb128> mvo, do you want me to look at it? (do you have clever magic or do you just download a .po set from launchpad and rename,copy them manually)?
[14:05] <mvo> seb128: just download from LP and use "mmv"
[14:05] <mvo> seb128: but I guess nowdays it would make sense to use a LP i18n branch nowdays I guess, not sure why we don't do that :/
[14:06] <seb128> mvo, "mmv"? /me learns a new command
[14:06] <seb128> mvo, yeah, I was thinking the same, I just don't want to experiment with that feature today
[14:06] <mvo>        mmv - move/copy/append/link multiple files by wildcard patterns
[14:06] <mvo> seb128: :)
[14:06] <seb128> mvo, want me to do the update-notifier update? I did some others already, I can do it as well
[14:06] <mvo> seb128: I'm in various calls today, so if you have time that would be cool, if not I will do my best
[14:07] <seb128> mvo, oh ok, I use rename ... rename s#language-selector-## *.po
[14:07] <seb128> mvo, works as well ;-)
[14:07] <seb128> mvo, will do it, thanks
[14:07] <mvo> seb128: aha, nice - learned a new command, i used mmv, seems like they are doing roughly the same
[14:10] <glatzor> mvo, the patch was rejected by upstream?
[14:10] <mvo> glatzor: yes, they said *never* change the fsencoding after starting
[14:11] <mvo> glatzor: because of stuff like sys.path that gets initialized very early and if that is is in a different encoding on startup than its later things will fail
[14:14] <didrocks> mterry: hey, how are you?
[14:14] <mterry> didrocks, hello!  good
[14:15] <didrocks> mterry: great! I hope it will still be good, we noticed a regression in lightdm in the way session transition is handled :)
[14:15] <didrocks> mterry: you know that we remove the ubuntu-2d session I guess :)
[14:15] <didrocks> and I used the same trick (and it was working around FF) so that "if session == ubuntu-2d -> session = ubuntu"
[14:16] <didrocks> seems it doesn't work anymore and the logs still shows it's trying to open (and fail) the ubuntu-2d session if this is what you last logged with
[14:16] <mterry> Hmm
[14:16] <mterry> Seems bd
[14:16] <mterry> bad
[14:16] <didrocks> it is :/
[14:17] <mterry> This is your bug 1059137
[14:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1059137 in lightdm "Cannot login after un upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10 (ubuntu-2d)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1059137
[14:17] <didrocks> I tried to poke a little bit at it, looking at where the dmrc was loaded and what was executed, but I'm afraid to miss some cases like autologin and so on
[14:17] <didrocks> mterry: exactly, please look at my comment: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1059137/comments/21
[14:17] <ubot2> Ubuntu bug 1059137 in lightdm "Cannot login after un upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10 (ubuntu-2d)" [High,Confirmed]
[14:17] <didrocks> I bet that the account services is coming into play
[14:17] <lamalex> chrisccoulson, have you tried to set up a canonical mail account with the thunderbird in Q?
[14:19] <mterry> didrocks, will look into this; I wish robert_ancell were online
[14:20] <didrocks> mterry: thanks! yeah, it's really something which will be good to sneak in :)
[14:21] <mterry> didrocks, ooh, I'm guessing we just have to patch the accounts service bit in the same file
[14:21] <mterry> didrocks, looks like you didn't happen to try that
[14:21] <mterry> didrocks, load_accounts_service in user.c
[14:21] <seb128> mterry, hey, how are you? had a good W.E? did you visit Boston Summit?
[14:22] <mterry> seb128, yeah, briefly
[14:22] <mterry> seb128, was nice to see desrt and jbicha and other people that I recognized but did not remember the names of  :)
[14:22] <didrocks> mterry: oh right, this can work
[14:23] <didrocks> mterry: I'm still puzzled that we are using .dmrc and this service :)
[14:23] <seb128> mterry, hehe ... let's see if you will remember them next time ;-)
[14:23] <seb128> mterry, you need to come to GUADEC for an harder challenge :p
[14:23] <mterry> didrocks, I know...  It's because not all desktop environments that lightdm supports support dmrc
[14:23] <mterry> seb128, I will not.  My mind is a sieve for names
[14:23] <didrocks> mterry: want to give it a shot at patching this one?
[14:23] <mterry> seb128, unless they have name tags at GUADEC...?
[14:23] <didrocks> mterry: it's still time for finale :)
[14:24] <seb128> mterry, they do ;-)
[14:24] <didrocks> (the gates are closing, but we can push it! :p)
[14:24] <mterry> didrocks, sure, is there a trivial way to test it without actually doing an upgrade?  tell accounts service I'm unity-2d?
[14:24] <didrocks> mterry: what I did is cp the ubuntu.desktop to ubuntu-2d.desktop
[14:25] <didrocks> then log in
[14:25] <didrocks> then, getting on ui :p Ctrl + alt + t (compiz is running)
[14:25] <didrocks> gnome-session-quit
[14:25] <mterry> ah ok
[14:25] <didrocks> and done! I logged once! :)
[14:26] <seb128> mterry, didrocks: I did it using d-feet
[14:27] <seb128> mterry, just go to org.freedesktop.Accounts User1000 (or your id), .User -> SetXSession
[14:27] <mterry> yup
[14:28] <didrocks> better to ensure you are in a real state, no?
[14:28] <didrocks> like with dmrc + account services :)
[14:28] <seb128> well I edited both
[14:28] <didrocks> I'm afraid of bad surprises :p
[14:28] <didrocks> ok ;)
[14:28] <seb128> that worked in my vm for testing
[14:40] <mterry> seb128, didrocks: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/1269350/ seemed to work for me
[14:40] <didrocks> mterry: \o/
[14:41] <mterry> didrocks, I'll push now anyway for time reasons, but if you could double confirm, I'd appreciate it (unless you're super busy, but when has that ever been true, amiright?)
[14:41] <seb128> mterry, excellent
[14:41] <didrocks> mterry: can do, one sec
[14:41] <didrocks> mterry: so you remove the dmrc part?
[14:42] <mterry> didrocks, no
[14:42] <seb128> mterry, busy?  us? never...
[14:42] <didrocks> mterry: you do from the patch :)
[14:42] <mterry> didrocks, I just move the code to a function that runs both the dmrc and accountsservice bits
[14:42] <didrocks> ok :)
[14:42] <didrocks>      load_dmrc (user);
[14:42] <didrocks>      load_accounts_service (user); // overrides dmrc values
[14:42] <didrocks> -> no kidding why it was overriden :p
[14:43] <mterry> :)
[14:44] <didrocks> testing, brb
[14:48] <didrocks> mterry: it seems to excellently work! :)
[14:48] <mterry> didrocks, yay!  Sorry I broke your patch.  I wasn't aware of it at the time
[14:49] <didrocks> mterry: no worry, we got it sorted before finale, that's already a start :)
[14:49] <seb128> I wonder of mterry and desrt are making a joined effort to break didrocks' code in turn
[14:49] <didrocks> yeah
[14:49] <didrocks> it's a plague :)
[14:49] <didrocks> they try it and play with it :)
[15:00] <Laney> subject: [ubuntu/quantal] webkit 1.10.0-0ubuntu1 (Accepted)
[15:00] <Laney> \o/
[15:02] <bcurtiswx> anyone here who uses two monitors try dragging a window to maximize on the rightmost monitor
[15:03] <bcurtiswx> mine always goes to the leftmost monitor
[15:04] <bcurtiswx> my setup is main monitor on left side
[15:05] <popey> bcurtiswx, your monitors are different sizes?
[15:05] <bcurtiswx> popey, yes
[15:06] <popey> bcurtiswx, and it incorrectly maximises on the smaller one?
[15:06] <Laney> oh yeah I've had that
[15:06] <popey> Bug #947025
[15:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 947025 in ayatana-design "Windows maximize on the wrong monitor (dup-of: 751605)" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/947025
[15:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 751605 in compiz "Multi-monitor - Windows maximize on the wrong monitor" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/751605
[15:06] <Laney> I think it's when the window unmaximises and is bigger than the target monitor
[15:06] <popey> annoying++
[15:06] <Laney> it pings back to where it came from
[15:06] <bcurtiswx> popey, thx :)
[15:06] <popey> it just needs to overhang the small monitor a tiny bit
[15:07] <popey> most annoying bug in 12.04 for me
[15:07] <bcurtiswx> Ah i see that overhang..
[15:08] <Laney> I don't see that it has to go onto the second monitor
[15:08] <Laney> going off the screen /at all/ (usually at the bottom) does it here
[15:11] <mterry> seb128, what about bug 1059576 ?
[15:11] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1059576 in unity-firefox-extension "Integration script prompt leads to untrusted download" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1059576
[15:11] <mterry> or maybe I should ask kenvandine ? ^
[15:11] <seb128> mterry, yeah, better to ask ken
[15:11] <mterry> Bugging the heck out of me
[15:11] <seb128> mterry, of go directly to the webapps guys and check it's planned on their list for today
[15:12] <kenvandine> mterry, where are you seeing that?
[15:12] <kenvandine> you shouldn't see any prompt
[15:12] <kenvandine> that was fixed in aptdaemon over the weekend
[15:12] <mterry> kenvandine, right after clicking "Install" when prompted by firefox
[15:12]  * mterry checks if updates are available
[15:13] <kenvandine> and why would universe be untrusted?
[15:13] <Laney> speaking of webapps, did mdeslaur's security concerns get addressed?
[15:13] <kenvandine> yes
[15:13] <mterry> seb128, I did yesterday, but not response yet
[15:13] <kenvandine> Laney, ^^
[15:13] <Laney> great
[15:13] <seb128> mterry, yesterday was an US holiday so some of the guys were missing, try again?
[15:13] <mterry> kenvandine, am I using the wrong site?  I've been testing with gmail
[15:13] <kenvandine> mterry, those packages come from universe
[15:14] <kenvandine> mterry, it is installing a package from universe, not actually downloading anything from the web
[15:15] <mterry> kenvandine, yeah, I have the aptdaemon with the supposed fix
[15:15] <kenvandine> and you've restarted?
[15:15] <mterry> kenvandine, yeah
[15:15] <mterry> kenvandine, so it works for you?
[15:15] <kenvandine> yes
[15:15] <mterry> :-/
[15:15] <kenvandine> finally
[15:15] <mterry> I'll talk to webapps guys
[15:16] <kenvandine> but regardless, i am confused why it says untrusted for you
[15:16] <kenvandine> even if you get prompted, why would packages from universe be untrusted?
[15:16] <kenvandine> mterry, apt-cache policy unity-webapps-launchpad
[15:16] <kenvandine> mterry, make sure the candidate is from universe
[15:16] <mterry> kenvandine, uninstalled, from universse
[15:17] <mterry> same for the gmail one
[15:17] <kenvandine> ok, so whatever is making it think it is untrusted
[15:17] <kenvandine> is probably the same reason you are getting prompted
[15:17] <kenvandine> the aptdaemon whitelist stuff has some protection
[15:18] <kenvandine> the whitelist is for unity-webapps-* from universe
[15:19] <kenvandine> mterry, if you install unity-webapps-launchpad with apt-get
[15:19] <kenvandine> does it prompt you for an untrusted package?
[15:21] <didrocks> launchpad & youtube doesn't work for me
[15:22] <didrocks> (the webapps integration)
[15:22] <kenvandine> :(
[15:22] <didrocks> gmail does work
[15:22] <kenvandine> didrocks, flaky...
[15:22] <didrocks> yeah :/
[15:22] <didrocks> ah, g+ appeared and not no…
[15:22] <didrocks> now*
[15:23] <didrocks> waow
[15:23] <didrocks> let me screenrecord that
[15:33] <didrocks> http://people.canonical.com/~didrocks/tmp/open_gmail_through_indicator_message.ogv
[15:33] <seb128> kenvandine, didrocks, chrisccoulson, Ursinha, Laney, mlankhorst, cyphermox, mterry, tkamppeter, robru: it's meeting time, if anyone has a topic (none on the wiki so far), also please update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2012-10-09 with things you worked on this week for those who didn't write anything yet
[15:34] <kenvandine> meeting time already...
[15:40] <mterry> These meetings get so fast after FF  :)
[15:41] <didrocks> mterry: want to make it longer so that you get for your money? :p
[15:42] <mterry> didrocks, I think we've experimented plenty with longer feature periods  :)
[15:42] <didrocks> heh ;)
[15:48] <GunnarHj> seb128: Hi Sebastien!
[15:48] <GunnarHj> seb128: jbicha and I have talked quite a lot about bug 1035219, but not agreed on anything yet. This is from yesterday: http://people.ubuntu.com/~gunnarhj/jbicha-gunnarhj-gnome-disc-121008.txt
[15:48] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1035219 in baltix "In System Settings preference tool/keyboard layouts page automaticaly wrong language selectedGNOME" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1035219
[15:48] <GunnarHj> seb128: Maybe you can help decide which one of us is the most obstinate. ;-)
[15:49] <seb128> GunnarHj, hey ;-)
[15:51] <seb128> GunnarHj, well, I think that if one of the GNOME "remix" flavors want to have a broken functionality it's their call at the end...
[15:51] <seb128> GunnarHj, we should really go with the upstream UI and make it work next cycle, I hope we can have good discussion at UDS about that
[15:53] <GunnarHj> seb128: Agree on both. But it disturbs me that the broken functionality affect also those who didn't use the Remix ISO.
[15:54] <seb128> GunnarHj, right it's not the default desktop though and language-selector is still installed and you can easily run it on an Ubuntu install with GNOME added
[15:54] <seb128> GunnarHj, it's only the GNOME remix which misses it
[15:58] <seb128> dpm, still around?
[15:58] <dpm> seb128, yes
[15:58] <seb128> dpm, do you remember if something in the yelp stack need langpack exports as well?
[15:59] <seb128> it used to be the case but I think it was when we customized the start page from there
[16:00] <GunnarHj> seb128: Please note that if you install standard Ubuntu and then the gnome-session-fallback package and then pick one of the GNOME session options when logging in, the Keyboard Layout capplet includes tabs that don't work properly. That's what the bug is about.
[16:00] <dpm> seb128, I think you're right, we don't need to do those exports anymore, but let me check with kelemengabor, he's pretty clued up about these things
[16:01] <seb128> GunnarHj, right, it has potential to confuse some users but:
[16:01] <seb128> - it's not the default desktop
[16:01] <dpm> seb128, hm, he's not online, but I think I'm pretty certain that we don't need the yelp exports
[16:01] <seb128> - it's well hidden in some system settings pane
[16:01] <seb128> - language selector is still available for those users and work
[16:02] <seb128> dpm, ok, I think it's not needed either, if you check and it turns out to be needed let me know tomorrow and we can try to sneak that in still
[16:02] <seb128> GunnarHj, so I don't like it much but at the same time it's not the only issue we have and it's not the end of the world...
[16:02] <dpm> seb128, ack, thanks
[16:02] <seb128> GunnarHj, we should fix that for good next cycle though
[16:02] <seb128> dpm, thank you! ;-)
[16:03] <GunnarHj> seb128: True, it's not the most serious bug you can think of. Still annoying (and unnecessary, I think). Well, well...
[16:04] <seb128> GunnarHj, I could write a book about annoying bugs existing in Ubuntu ;-)
[16:04] <GunnarHj> seb128: Unfortunately I believe you. :(
[16:19] <pitti> don't we call that bugs.lp.net?
[16:22] <seb128> pitti, that's not a book, that's an encyclopedia rather
[16:30] <kenvandine> that's more like a library
[16:30] <kenvandine> :-D
[16:32] <seb128> kenvandine, well, since it *includes* a library it's probably bigger than that ;-)
[17:49] <bcurtiswx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1269690/
[17:52] <seb128> bcurtiswx, hi
[17:52] <bcurtiswx> seb128, hi
[17:53] <seb128> bcurtiswx, that would be something for mvo (or maybe chrisccoulson)
[17:53] <seb128> though I updated update-notifier but only for translations, there is no code change in that diff
[17:54] <bcurtiswx> hmm
[17:56] <bcurtiswx> seb128, maybe it was a bad timing on my part, i tried another update/upgrade and it cured itself
[19:14] <cyphermox> moo
[19:15] <cyphermox> disregard me, I was just being laggy
[19:16] <chrisccoulson> moo? that's the sound i like to hear from my steak
[19:18] <seb128> chrisccoulson, lol
[19:18] <chrisccoulson> :)
[19:18] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I hope they have something else than fish in Copenhagen ;-)
[19:20] <mdeslaur> ugh, fish, yuck
[19:21] <seb128> exactly!
[19:30] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, me too ;)
[19:30] <chrisccoulson> i don't think i could survive a UDS week without eating steak at least once
[19:30] <chrisccoulson> although, i have to eat small steaks now ;)
[19:30] <seb128> chrisccoulson, count on the steak^Wteam dinner, I'm sure Jason will do what is humanly possible for it ;-)
[19:31] <mdeslaur> mmmm....steak...
[19:31] <chrisccoulson> :)
[19:37] <cyphermox> mmm.. steak
[19:38] <cyphermox> I can't ever get good steak in Quebec, somehow
[20:00] <seb128> robert_ancell, hey, you suck ... just saying ;-)
[20:00] <robert_ancell> seb128, oh, nice to see you too
[20:01] <seb128> robert_ancell, ;-)
[20:01] <seb128> robert_ancell, there package, take that one tarball you had to update, you will get quite some more work, enjoy
[20:01] <seb128> ;-)
[20:01] <seb128> there packagers*
[20:01] <robert_ancell> ?
[20:02] <seb128> robert_ancell, the gnome-games split
[20:02] <robert_ancell> oh
[20:02] <seb128> hate when something easy to build is becoming a stack of sources
[20:03] <robert_ancell> or being much more consistent with everything else
[20:03] <seb128> yeah, I hated when gnome-utils did it as well, that's consistent :p
[20:03] <robert_ancell> are you going to tell me you liked GNOME2 better as well ;)
[20:03] <robert_ancell> damn kids making progress. get off my lawn!
[20:04] <seb128> well, GNOME2 was alright, nothing compared to GNOME1 though
[20:04] <seb128> ;-)
[20:04] <robert_ancell> pff, you should have seen GNOME0
[20:04] <seb128> oh, kids listen, grandpa is talking
[20:04] <seb128> ;-)
[20:04] <robert_ancell> seb128, so I see you broke telepathy
[20:05] <seb128> what? me? never
[20:05] <czajkowski> seb128: surely never breaks anything :)
[20:05] <seb128> robert_ancell, ^ see!
[20:05] <robert_ancell> It makes me feel less bad about breaking things when I see seb doing it too
[20:05] <seb128> robert_ancell, I ask for proofs
[20:06] <robert_ancell> it floated to the top of errors.ubuntu.com and you were the last uploader
[20:06] <seb128> nah
[20:06] <robert_ancell> sure I didn't dig much further
[20:06] <seb128> yeah, it's desrt/slangasek's fault
[20:06] <robert_ancell> hah, redirected blame!
[20:07] <seb128> it's the XDG_RUNTIME_DIR stuff not playing nicely with apparmor
[20:11] <desrt> hi.
[20:11] <desrt> apparmor is not my fault :)
[20:12] <seb128> desrt, well, apparmor didn't like that libdconf tries to open the db in RW OCREATE
[20:12] <desrt> it doesn't.
[20:12] <desrt> it opens a shared memory region as such
[20:13] <desrt> and it always did that...
[20:13] <desrt> but because some path changed due to a complicated system change that applications have absolutely no business even knowing the existence of, the apparmor rules need to be rewritten
[20:14] <seb128> they have been,are
[20:14] <desrt> good :)
[20:18] <Sweetsha1k> seb128: armhf did successfully build.
[20:19] <seb128> Sweetsha1k, \o/
[20:19]  * Sweetsha1k disperses all the evil demons lurking around waiting to cause me coronary attacks.
[20:20] <Sweetsha1k> seb128: Java JIT compiliation is lame, look at LibreOffice packages on Ubuntu. Thats were true (black) magic happens. </sarc>
[20:22] <Sweetsha1k> ogra_: thanks for taking care of bug 1062448 on ubuntu-meta.
[20:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1062448 in ubuntu-meta "soffice.bin crashed with SIGSEGV in lucene::index::IndexFileNames::fileNameFromGeneration()" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1062448
[20:24]  * Sweetsha1k will then proceed to award himself some nice builder for the next cycle. Ordering a 2*opteron6272/32GB RAM machine tomorrow.
[21:05] <TheMuso> seb128: Thanks for your action on bug 1056300
[21:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1056300 in ubiquity "If a GTK application quits the main loop and restarts it again, accessibility is lost." [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1056300
[21:06] <seb128> TheMuso, hey, how are you?
[21:06] <seb128> TheMuso, yw
[21:06] <seb128> TheMuso, thanks for tracking the commit down ;-)
[21:21] <mterry_> robert_ancell, is there a tests/data/remote-sessions directory that you forgot to commit to lightdm bzr?
[21:22] <robert_ancell> mterry_, on trunk?
[21:23] <mterry_> robert_ancell, oh on trunk I see it.  Hm
[21:30] <TheMuso> seb128: No problem.
[21:30] <TheMuso> And I am well thanks.
[23:01] <jono> Sweetsha1k, hey
[23:01] <jono> Sweetsha1k, are you getting no menus in LO?
[23:44] <bcurtiswx> jono, libreoffice? want me to check mine?
[23:46] <jono> bcurtiswx, sure
[23:46] <jono> that would be great
[23:46] <bcurtiswx> jono, any specific one. like writer, calc?
[23:46] <bcurtiswx> writer has menu's
[23:48] <bcurtiswx> jono, the main window has menu's and so does calc
[23:48] <jono> bcurtiswx, neither seems to work for me
[23:48] <bcurtiswx> libreoffice-writer: Installed: 1:3.6.2~rc2-0ubuntu3
[23:48] <jono> bcurtiswx, aha, it seems Impress doesnt for me
[23:48] <jono> but Writer does
[23:49] <jono> can you try Impress?
[23:49] <bcurtiswx> jono, Impress menu's work
[23:49] <jono> odd
[23:50] <jono> now it works
[23:50] <jono> it seems like a focus issue for me
[23:50] <bcurtiswx> unity issue then?
[23:50] <jono> seems soi
[23:50] <jono> so
[23:51] <jono> thanks bcurtiswx
[23:51] <bcurtiswx> jono, yw