[16:44] godbyk: someone accidentally put a full article in our UWN draft for "Public draft of Getting Started with 12.10 is available for proofreading" - do you happen to have a link to ths announcement so I can fix this? :) [16:45] (or anyone) [16:45] a mailing list link is fine, just can't have full articles in UWN itself [16:52] hey pleia2 [16:52] you mean this link? [16:52] https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/msg03778.html [16:53] perfect! thanks :) [16:54] You are welcome :-) [17:20] pleia2: That was me. Sorry 'bout that. I didn't realize you wanted links only. [17:20] pleia2: I may have missed the newsletter deadline, too. If that story won't go out until next week then it will probably be too late. [17:20] godbyk: no worries, we link to a lot of articles so we can't really give anyone space for full text of anything :) [17:21] and yeah, it goes out on Monday [17:21] pleia2: Ah, okay. Then you can cut the Ubuntu Manual article/link. [17:21] We should be finished with the public draft Monday so I can finalize everything for publication by the 18th. [17:22] ah, ok [17:23] * pleia2 ponders [17:23] I don't usually do this, but if you need it posted to planet I can put it on my blog (I have a story to go along with it, so I can rationalize to myself do it) [17:23] pleia2: That'd be cool, if you don't mind. Otherwise I can probably find someone else to post it, too. [17:24] pleia2: And if you want more info to fill out the 'story', let me know. I'm happy to answer questions, etc. [17:25] oh, just that I'm bringing a print copy of the 10.04 edition with me to Ghana (we're deploying Edubuntu 10.04 desktops, I leave tomorrow!) and have the digital copy loaded up on USB sticks :) [17:26] donating the print copy to one of our contacts there [17:26] Oh, neat. That sounds like it will be a fun trip! [17:27] should be quite the adventure :) [17:32] We're also finishing up work on a few translated editions of 12.04: Dutch, Spanish, and Slovenian. [17:32] I'm excited about the Spanish and Slovenian translations as we haven't had those before. Spanish is one of the most-requested languages for us. [17:52] ok, published, should land on planet soon: http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=6971 [17:56] pleia2: interesting that you emphasize ease of contribution, while what i saw from the feedback, that was (is?) seen as a problem, actually [17:56] the technical barriers to entry [17:56] thorwil: it's never going to be perfect, documentation is hard [17:56] pleia2: Awesome. Thanks! You'll have to let us know how your trip goes, too! [17:56] but the manual team is by far the easiest place to get involved documentation-wise in Ubuntu [17:57] thorwil: Contributing is more difficult than I'd like, but we try to make it fairly easy. [17:57] I keep trying to work with ubuntu-doc to at least document what people can do to contribute, but there is a chicken and egg problem of the core contributors being too busy to train new people and help me develop these documents :( [17:57] thorwil: If you have a few web developers, I have some ideas on improving the process greatly. ;-) [17:58] pleia2: I noticed that. I always feel bad when I see someone email the list asking how they can help. [17:58] pleia2: i'm happy to hear if things are good compared to similar efforts. just slight worry about expectations your text might raise [17:58] godbyk: i could say the exact same thing [17:59] thorwil: ok, I made a couple alterations to the text to emphasize that it's "easier" rather than "easy" [17:59] thorwil: About the manual project or docs team? [18:00] pleia2: cool, ty [18:00] (it seems easy for me, but I actually write docs in DocBook and LaTeX, so I'm the wrong audience :)) [18:00] I set up most of the process we're using, so I'm a bit biased. :) [18:00] There are definitely some sticking points and things I'd like to improve, though. [18:01] Unfortunately, I don't have as much time to devote to the project as I'd like at the moment. [18:02] (The translation process in particular is much more onerous than it needs to be. Launchpad's translation system is not designed to work well with long strings of text.) [18:03] godbyk: i think you use your resources very efficiently