[16:44] <pleia2> godbyk: someone accidentally put a full article in our UWN draft for "Public draft of Getting Started with 12.10 is available for proofreading" - do you happen to have a link to ths announcement so I can fix this? :)
[16:45] <pleia2> (or anyone)
[16:45] <pleia2> a mailing list link is fine, just can't have full articles in UWN itself
[16:52] <CarstenG> hey pleia2
[16:52] <CarstenG> you mean this link?
[16:52] <CarstenG> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/msg03778.html
[16:53] <pleia2> perfect! thanks :)
[16:54] <CarstenG> You are welcome :-)
[17:20] <godbyk> pleia2: That was me. Sorry 'bout that. I didn't realize you wanted links only.
[17:20] <godbyk> pleia2: I may have missed the newsletter deadline, too. If that story won't go out until next week then it will probably be too late.
[17:20] <pleia2> godbyk: no worries, we link to a lot of articles so we can't really give anyone space for full text of anything :)
[17:21] <pleia2> and yeah, it goes out on Monday
[17:21] <godbyk> pleia2: Ah, okay. Then you can cut the Ubuntu Manual article/link.
[17:21] <godbyk> We should be finished with the public draft Monday so I can finalize everything for publication by the 18th.
[17:22] <pleia2> ah, ok
[17:23]  * pleia2 ponders
[17:23] <pleia2> I don't usually do this, but if you need it posted to planet I can put it on my blog (I have a story to go along with it, so I can rationalize to myself do it)
[17:23] <godbyk> pleia2: That'd be cool, if you don't mind. Otherwise I can probably find someone else to post it, too.
[17:24] <godbyk> pleia2: And if you want more info to fill out the 'story', let me know. I'm happy to answer questions, etc.
[17:25] <pleia2> oh, just that I'm bringing a print copy of the 10.04 edition with me to Ghana (we're deploying Edubuntu 10.04 desktops, I leave tomorrow!) and have the digital copy loaded up on USB sticks :)
[17:26] <pleia2> donating the print copy to one of our contacts there
[17:26] <godbyk> Oh, neat. That sounds like it will be a fun trip!
[17:27] <pleia2> should be quite the adventure :)
[17:32] <godbyk> We're also finishing up work on a few translated editions of 12.04: Dutch, Spanish, and Slovenian.
[17:32] <godbyk> I'm excited about the Spanish and Slovenian translations as we haven't had those before. Spanish is one of the most-requested languages for us.
[17:52] <pleia2> ok, published, should land on planet soon: http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=6971
[17:56] <thorwil> pleia2: interesting that you emphasize ease of contribution, while what i saw from the feedback, that was (is?) seen as a problem, actually
[17:56] <thorwil> the technical barriers to entry
[17:56] <pleia2> thorwil: it's never going to be perfect, documentation is hard
[17:56] <godbyk> pleia2: Awesome. Thanks!  You'll have to let us know how your trip goes, too!
[17:56] <pleia2> but the manual team is by far the easiest place to get involved documentation-wise in Ubuntu
[17:57] <godbyk> thorwil: Contributing is more difficult than I'd like, but we try to make it fairly easy.
[17:57] <pleia2> I keep trying to work with ubuntu-doc to at least document what people can do to contribute, but there is a chicken and egg problem of the core contributors being too busy to train new people and help me develop these documents :(
[17:57] <godbyk> thorwil: If you have a few web developers, I have some ideas on improving the process greatly. ;-)
[17:58] <godbyk> pleia2: I noticed that. I always feel bad when I see someone email the list asking how they can help.
[17:58] <thorwil> pleia2: i'm happy to hear if things are good compared to similar efforts. just slight worry about expectations your text might raise
[17:58] <thorwil> godbyk: i could say the exact same thing
[17:59] <pleia2> thorwil: ok, I made a couple alterations to the text to emphasize that it's "easier" rather than "easy"
[17:59] <godbyk> thorwil: About the manual project or docs team?
[18:00] <thorwil> pleia2: cool, ty
[18:00] <pleia2> (it seems easy for me, but I actually write docs in DocBook and LaTeX, so I'm the wrong audience :))
[18:00] <godbyk> I set up most of the process we're using, so I'm a bit biased. :)
[18:00] <godbyk> There are definitely some sticking points and things I'd like to improve, though.
[18:01] <godbyk> Unfortunately, I don't have as much time to devote to the project as I'd like at the moment.
[18:02] <godbyk> (The translation process in particular is much more onerous than it needs to be. Launchpad's translation system is not designed to work well with long strings of text.)
[18:03] <thorwil> godbyk: i think you use your resources very efficiently