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| silverarrow | how serious is it to test a new kernel? | 15:54 |
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| silverarrow | someone asked me to test an upstream kernel, and what to do? | 15:54 |
| silverarrow | I filed a but on non working wireless chipsets, and there is a reply | 15:55 |
| patdk-wk | it's a bit of a pain, but not hard to install | 15:56 |
| patdk-wk | and testing it is very simple | 15:56 |
| elfy | balloons: you got a link to the arm beta1 - I can't find one | 16:16 |
| balloons | elfy, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/quantal/beta-1/ubuntu-12.10-beta1-desktop-armhf+omap4.img | 16:16 |
| elfy | cheers - no idea why you want me to install that and upgrade it to the state of the one I've got here that works fine though :) | 16:17 |
| balloons | elfy, yes, it was requested by the teams to test continuity in the archive | 16:18 |
| elfy | hope I can get it working then - can't remember that one working for me | 16:18 |
| balloons | I don't suspect we'll see issues, but I am/was worried about unity 6.8 on ARM | 16:18 |
| elfy | k | 16:19 |
| elfy | will do it tomorrow now - damn things are slow to install anyway | 16:21 |
| elfy | today's daily appears to be fine though :) | 16:21 |
| silverarrow | can Ubuntu live in 30GB? | 16:26 |
| silverarrow | on* | 16:26 |
| elfy | mine always used to fine silverarrow | 16:26 |
| silverarrow | good | 16:26 |
| silverarrow | I am downloading todays Ubuntu, and plan on dual install | 16:27 |
| silverarrow | with lubuntu | 16:27 |
| elfy | oic | 16:27 |
| silverarrow | ? | 16:28 |
| elfy | 30 Gb shared? or just for ubuntu - I used to run with 10Gb just so you know | 16:28 |
| silverarrow | just for ubuntu | 16:29 |
| elfy | loads of room | 16:30 |
| silverarrow | 10GB and runs fine? | 16:30 |
| silverarrow | not sure about that | 16:31 |
| elfy | yea never had any issues at all | 16:31 |
| silverarrow | so grub is probably the main issue then | 16:31 |
| elfy | not sure what it'd be like now silverarrow - but my xubuntu - which has had all manner of things installed is at 8.3 | 16:31 |
| elfy | issue? | 16:32 |
| silverarrow | yeah, to make it behave with dual boot. login and all that | 16:32 |
| elfy | should be ok silverarrow - I've never had to fight with win7 or anything | 16:33 |
| balloons | I run ubuntu on about 6 gig | 16:35 |
| balloons | not for the feint of heart ;-) | 16:36 |
| elfy | :) | 16:36 |
| silverarrow | ooh | 16:36 |
| balloons | I wouldn't go lower than 8.. 10 is much btter | 16:36 |
| patdk-wk | 6gig what? | 16:36 |
| balloons | the full install is about 5 gig | 16:36 |
| elfy | so do I - but it never gets updated - just gets installed over again | 16:36 |
| silverarrow | it can have 30 | 16:36 |
| balloons | and as soon as you update, you need space to download and have 2 copies of packages at the same time | 16:36 |
| patdk-wk | I normally do 20gig for ubuntu desktop, generally only ever use 8gigs of it | 16:36 |
| balloons | let's just say I have to massage dist-upgrades through on that thing | 16:36 |
| patdk-wk | my mythtv frontends are currently using 3gigs | 16:37 |
| balloons | I'm not doing it by choice persay, I only have an 8 gig ssd | 16:37 |
| elfy | balloons: pppft - I just apt-get clean first :) | 16:37 |
| elfy | actually I don't | 16:37 |
| patdk-wk | my servers are all either 2 or 8gigs :) | 16:37 |
| patdk-wk | normally <1gig used | 16:37 |
| silverarrow | you might get a larger one, these days they are a bit cheaper | 16:37 |
| elfy | I just never really upgrade it | 16:37 |
| balloons | elfy, I have to uninstall all large programs | 16:38 |
| balloons | dist-upgrade, intterupt, apt-get clean, then continue | 16:38 |
| silverarrow | but as long as it works, thing are fine | 16:38 |
| balloons | then re-install big stuff | 16:38 |
| elfy | :) | 16:38 |
| balloons | :-P | 16:38 |
| balloons | I'm on 12.04 lts now.. it's never upgrading again | 16:39 |
| balloons | it will EOL on that | 16:39 |
| silverarrow | we should get balloons a new ssd for christmas | 16:39 |
| elfy | lol | 16:39 |
| * silverarrow suspects he already have one in a drawer | 16:40 | |
| patdk-wk | 8gig ssd's are so painfully slow | 16:40 |
| balloons | lol | 16:40 |
| balloons | it's the only ssd I own actually | 16:40 |
| balloons | to be honest, I've never really run them, since in my desktops are all traditional disks | 16:41 |
| silverarrow | I have none, I consider my 7200rpm speedy | 16:41 |
| patdk-wk | I thought so too | 16:41 |
| patdk-wk | even upgraded my 7200rpm laptop drive to ssd, and didn't think ssd was much faster | 16:41 |
| patdk-wk | ssd died, went back to the drive | 16:41 |
| patdk-wk | oh the pain | 16:41 |
| silverarrow | lol | 16:41 |
| elfy | I'd not know one if it got up and said hi | 16:42 |
| silverarrow | a step back is always the worst | 16:42 |
| balloons | an ssd boot with crazy read performance makes sense | 16:42 |
| balloons | keepin your stuff on a traditional drive is fine | 16:42 |
| patdk-wk | well, in this case, did lots of vm suspend/restores | 16:42 |
| patdk-wk | so the ssd made that increadably fast | 16:42 |
| silverarrow | I want one of those Samsung 9 series, | 16:42 |
| patdk-wk | my current laptop has dual 256g ssd's | 16:42 |
| silverarrow | I think they are 125GB SSD | 16:43 |
| patdk-wk | I went with a lenovo t530, and customized it with a msata 256g and samsung 830 256g | 16:45 |
| silverarrow | I`m not sure I have seen the lenovo model | 16:47 |
| patdk-wk | hmm, yo ucan get a samsung 9 with 256g, but not quadcore cpu it looks like | 16:47 |
| patdk-wk | I figured I needed a quad core, in order to last long enough, without it feeling painfully slow in a year or two | 16:48 |
| silverarrow | I would be happy with a asus zenbook, but they don`t have 15" screens | 16:48 |
| silverarrow | yeah, that is the best way about it | 16:49 |
| silverarrow | computers often live on long after you get a new one even | 16:49 |
| patdk-wk | yep, totally overspec'd the laptop | 16:49 |
| patdk-wk | hmm, not my laptops :) | 16:49 |
| patdk-wk | well, my last laptop lenovo t61p is 5 years old now | 16:50 |
| silverarrow | they don`t? | 16:50 |
| patdk-wk | it's completely toast | 16:50 |
| silverarrow | I have had laptops die after less than 3 years, some lasted 11 years, a handmedown packard bell | 16:50 |
| patdk-wk | screen has issues, cpu won't stay cool, fan works ok, new battery drains faster than it should, case is worn so thin, it's cracking | 16:51 |
| silverarrow | it worked fine with almost anything bug flash | 16:51 |
| silverarrow | It wasn`t all that good though | 16:51 |
| silverarrow | this time I want a new one, with as high specs as possible on a slim laptop | 16:52 |
| silverarrow | teh t530 looks like it has a double screen | 16:53 |
| patdk-wk | hmm? | 16:53 |
| patdk-wk | it has a 1920x1080 15" screen | 16:53 |
| patdk-wk | and can have 4 screens total attached | 16:53 |
| silverarrow | maybe just the pick then | 16:53 |
| silverarrow | no, it is correct rendering | 16:54 |
| patdk-wk | I tested 4 screen mode, while works, not fun on linux to do yet | 16:54 |
| patdk-wk | plus, powering on the nvidia graphics card doubles the laptop power draw, from my normal 6-9w to 20w | 16:54 |
| silverarrow | which matters if you run on battery | 16:55 |
| patdk-wk | ya, I like getting 10-12h per battery :) | 16:55 |
| silverarrow | any heat issues? | 16:55 |
| patdk-wk | nope, at 10w, the whole thing stays cold | 16:55 |
| silverarrow | great | 16:56 |
| silverarrow | I have to run now, back later | 16:56 |
| silverarrow | it`s getting dark | 16:56 |
| * patdk-wk sends silverarrow a usb flashlight | 17:00 | |
| silverarrow | patdk-wk: are you there? | 18:17 |
| silverarrow | I was in center of town just now, and in one of the old radio shops (which hardly has radios any more) the had a Lenovo B570, | 18:18 |
| patdk-wk | hmm, dunno that one | 18:22 |
| patdk-wk | I stick to the R/T/W/X lines, as the others seem to be lacking quality | 18:23 |
| silverarrow | it was just before closing time so I didn`t get to see all the models | 18:23 |
| silverarrow | it was unusually low priced | 18:24 |
| patdk-wk | ya, looks a lot like my sl500 | 18:24 |
| patdk-wk | that one only lasted me a year :( | 18:24 |
| silverarrow | oh | 18:24 |
| silverarrow | terrible | 18:24 |
| silverarrow | they should at least last five | 18:24 |
| silverarrow | with out serious hardware failure | 18:24 |
| patdk-wk | the plastic just wore out, from my hands rubbing on it | 18:24 |
| patdk-wk | and the screen flexed too much and broke | 18:24 |
| silverarrow | that happened on a fujitsu I had | 18:25 |
| patdk-wk | and each time they *repaired* it, it got more broke | 18:25 |
| silverarrow | the silvergrey finish wore off | 18:25 |
| patdk-wk | I litterally wore a hole though it :) | 18:25 |
| silverarrow | I don`t know lenovo, but I have liked some HP models | 18:25 |
| patdk-wk | well, lenovo used to be ibm, till ibm said they didn't want to make consumer stuff anymore | 18:26 |
| * silverarrow wonders what kind of hands patdk-wk has. Sandingpaper or very acid? | 18:26 | |
| patdk-wk | but lenovo had branched off the ibm line with other lower priced lines | 18:26 |
| patdk-wk | defently sandpaper | 18:26 |
| silverarrow | lol | 18:27 |
| silverarrow | I have noticed some asus models have steel casing | 18:27 |
| patdk-wk | actually, I had to grow my hands skin back a few years back | 18:27 |
| silverarrow | like a dark brushed steel | 18:27 |
| patdk-wk | I froze it all off | 18:27 |
| silverarrow | they look good | 18:27 |
| silverarrow | horrid | 18:27 |
| patdk-wk | nothing like taking your hands, and making them -40c in a few seconds | 18:28 |
| silverarrow | you were in the mountains or? | 18:28 |
| silverarrow | oh, nitogen tank? | 18:28 |
| patdk-wk | all the skin came off, and took about 2 months for the skin to grow back, and a good year for it to stop cracking | 18:28 |
| patdk-wk | na, hvac | 18:28 |
| * silverarrow googles hvac | 18:28 | |
| silverarrow | oh, and acronym | 18:29 |
| silverarrow | we hardly have those here | 18:29 |
| silverarrow | we have ventilation, but the more advanced air condition only larger shoppings centers and office buildings | 18:30 |
| silverarrow | I know a guy who is the sort who volunters on military practices and that kind of thing | 18:31 |
| silverarrow | he lost a toe | 18:31 |
| silverarrow | froze off | 18:31 |
| silverarrow | and next year happily joins again | 18:31 |
| elfy | balloons: not sur whether upgrading from beta 1 via update mangler is something that I would generally do - especially as it is telling me it's a partial upgrade ;) | 18:49 |
| balloons | elfy, oh really? | 18:50 |
| balloons | is the archive not in a good state atm | 18:50 |
| balloons | I just upgraded | 18:50 |
| elfy | no idea - software sources crashed as well | 18:53 |
| elfy | or I think it did - this beta 1 had that really annoying m,ove the mouse and you can't see anything bug :) | 18:54 |
| elfy | just going to see what synaptic says first | 18:54 |
| elfy | the use the whole disk only allocates something like 400Mb of swapfor some reason as well | 18:55 |
| elfy | balloons: confirmed that archived tests bug :) | 19:00 |
| balloons | elfy, so it works yes? | 19:01 |
| elfy | yep = I put some results today | 19:01 |
| elfy | I'll keep an eye on it over the next couple of days when I do tests | 19:01 |
| balloons | k.. I think knome and I found it was a bug | 19:01 |
| elfy | yea - I read the backlog in here | 19:02 |
| balloons | we still need to file the actual bug.. attempting to recreate on staging | 19:02 |
| elfy | I really wish I'd accidentally not read this qa ARM email today ... | 19:02 |
| elfy | ok - well if you need me to do anything with it then just shout | 19:02 |
| elfy | balloons: no it's not the archive its update manager - synaptic is fine with it - upgrades and to be installed all going now | 19:13 |
| balloons | ahh | 19:14 |
| balloons | the update manager bombs eh? | 19:14 |
| elfy | just says there's a partial - I can run it with update manager with the partial if you really want to - but it'll not be good - it rarely is :) | 19:15 |
| elfy | to be honest I rarely use um unless I'm actually testing it itself | 19:17 |
| balloons | I'm sure it won't be | 19:24 |
| balloons | :-) | 19:24 |
| elfy | so you want me to do it with update mangler? | 19:24 |
| balloons | no no, no reason to mangle it up | 19:25 |
| balloons | how's unity | 19:25 |
| balloons | still ok? | 19:25 |
| elfy | not in beta 1 it's not | 19:25 |
| balloons | lol | 19:25 |
| elfy | it's that horrible don't move the mouse if you want to see the desktop bug in that one | 19:25 |
| balloons | yes, but it upgraded ok | 19:26 |
| balloons | and unity is fine now? | 19:26 |
| elfy | not yet - still doing it ... | 19:26 |
| balloons | same as your fresh install | 19:26 |
| balloons | ohh | 19:26 |
| balloons | ok | 19:26 |
| * balloons waits patiently | 19:26 | |
| elfy | it was excellent before I went backwards :) | 19:26 |
| elfy | doing anything processor heavy here is really really slow - perhaps it's the stick - but I don't think so - works fine everywhere else | 19:27 |
| balloons | phillw, ping | 20:14 |
| phillw | balloons: pong | 20:14 |
| balloons | see your pm | 20:18 |
| silverarrow | hi | 20:19 |
| silverarrow | I`ve read the mail today | 20:19 |
| balloons | hey silverarrow | 20:19 |
| balloons | how are you? | 20:19 |
| silverarrow | I`m fine thank, and you? | 20:19 |
| silverarrow | are you in sync again after the all nighter? | 20:20 |
| silverarrow | I had a few days of natural day night rythem when I worked nights | 20:21 |
| silverarrow | I have a new attempt at alsamixer issues | 20:22 |
| silverarrow | I have no idea where to start | 20:22 |
| silverarrow | lost connection | 20:29 |
| phillw | silverarrow: you really should pop onto #freenode and request an unafilliated cloak? | 20:31 |
| balloons | silverarrow, yes, I'm slowly easing back the hours | 20:33 |
| balloons | it will take me a bit to completely come back to normal | 20:33 |
| Noskcaj | do knome and i need to make a lvm xubuntu testcase? | 20:34 |
| knome | Noskcaj, i wouldn't worry about that for Q release | 20:34 |
| Noskcaj | ok | 20:34 |
| silverarrow | phillw: what`s that? | 20:41 |
| silverarrow | invisibility cloak? | 20:41 |
| * balloons rolls +6 die | 20:42 | |
| balloons | 2 | 20:42 |
| phillw | silverarrow: it prevents you giving out you IP address when you log onto IRC | 20:42 |
| balloons | silverarrow loses invisibility for 10 seconds | 20:42 |
| silverarrow | I see, that is a bad thing? | 20:42 |
| silverarrow | I have a sort of joint IP with the rest of the house | 20:42 |
| phillw | silverarrow: it can be, we aren't bad people, but others are. Having a cloak reduces risks | 20:42 |
| knome | phillw, i can give you an IP address any day! | 20:43 |
| knome | phillw, 24.65.152.45 | 20:43 |
| knome | phillw, there you go! | 20:43 |
| silverarrow | 6 people uses this modem | 20:43 |
| silverarrow | though right now only two | 20:43 |
| phillw | silverarrow: it has no difference to them, just masks it when you log onto IRC | 20:43 |
| silverarrow | phillw: I shall look into the cloak | 20:43 |
| phillw | do we have a factoid bot on here? | 20:44 |
| knome | !bot | 20:44 |
| ubot5 | Hi! I'm #ubuntu-testing's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi | Usage info: http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins | Bot channels and general info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots | 20:44 |
| phillw | !cloak | 20:44 |
| ubot5 | To get any kind of cloak (ubuntu member or any other kind) you first need to set up your nick as detailed in this FAQ: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup - For Ubuntu member cloaks, ask in #ubuntu-irc and provide your launchpad page, for unaffiliated ones, ask in #freenode. | 20:44 |
| phillw | thanks knome, I'm used to DragonEyes :P | 20:45 |
| wxl | ew dragon eyes ;) | 20:50 |
| silverarrow | is my IP address of use to anyone? | 20:50 |
| knome | silverarrow, if somebody wants to make your life a bit more miserable, then yeah, it could be | 20:51 |
| silverarrow | hmm | 20:51 |
| silverarrow | the web is probably not worse than the rest of earth | 20:51 |
| silverarrow | nasty place at times | 20:51 |
| knome | probably not worse, but the bad things might be happening more often | 20:52 |
| silverarrow | hehe | 20:52 |
| silverarrow | like landing in the world of linux | 20:52 |
| silverarrow | hardly anyting works | 20:52 |
| silverarrow | at least in alpha | 20:53 |
| silverarrow | ;- ) | 20:53 |
| silverarrow | luckily it gets better | 20:53 |
| knome | don't know about the world though... | 20:54 |
| silverarrow | does libre office work in gome/unity? | 20:56 |
| silverarrow | hashsum mismatch when updating | 20:57 |
| balloons | silverarrow, yes | 20:57 |
| silverarrow | good | 20:58 |
| silverarrow | there were a guy yesterday with toolbar problems | 20:59 |
| Noskcaj | virtualbox says its disconected from the internet whe my pc is not, what is this a bug in? | 21:00 |
| silverarrow | likely | 21:01 |
| silverarrow | battery monitor doesn`t work that well in lxde on powerpc | 21:01 |
| elfy | Noskcaj: I had a bunch of issues the other day with vbox and internet, had to set it to bridged adapter | 21:05 |
| Noskcaj | ok elfy | 21:05 |
| elfy | balloons: so 2 hours later it is still upgrading the 883 packages ... | 21:32 |
| balloons | elfy, wow | 21:34 |
| balloons | that might be awhile | 21:34 |
| balloons | i'm uploading | 21:34 |
| balloons | 1 hr in a 5 hour jon | 21:34 |
| balloons | *job | 21:34 |
| elfy | going to bed as soon as this tea mug is empty :) will look in the morning lol | 21:36 |
| balloons | sounds like a good plan mate | 21:36 |
| elfy | as long as it all works then I guess it's worth it :) | 21:36 |
| balloons | yep | 21:36 |
| elfy | I noted on the testcase that I used synaptic | 21:37 |
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| elfy | that'll do - night balloons | 21:49 |
| balloons | good night elfy ! | 21:51 |
| skaet | plars, infinity, balloons - was just doing an update on my quantal machine, and have gotten "Update information (null)" and system has stopped responding. anyone else seeing this? | 23:15 |
| skaet | infinity, slangasek - do you want me to try to catch anything from the hung system before I reboot? | 23:22 |
| infinity | skaet: If it's hung, I'm not sure what you'd collect. | 23:23 |
| skaet | infinity, well mouse moves around, so not completely | 23:24 |
| skaet | but I can't get a terminal to come up from the keyboard, so power cycle time. | 23:25 |
| phillw | infinity: the ppa is at https://launchpad.net/~gilir/+archive/lubuntu what needs doing? | 23:45 |
| infinity | phillw: I'm pretty sure gilir knows what to do... | 23:50 |
| phillw | infinity: so a simple "Yes, it is approved" will do? | 23:52 |
| infinity | phillw: It was already approved, so yes, he just needs to (a) commit to fxing/reverting if it breaks, and (b) upload it to the archive. | 23:53 |
| skaet | infinity, past.ubuntu.com/1270232 - results from rebooted, and triggering software updater again. | 23:54 |
| phillw | thanks, i know he still not 100% well so getting that (quite major) issue off his mind this close to a release will help a lot | 23:54 |
| skaet | paste.ubuntu.com/1270232 rather. | 23:54 |
| skaet | anything else you want included in the bug? | 23:54 |
| phillw | infinity: skaet as he away from computer, how best to (00:33:00) skaet: phillw, please work to get it uploaded now in next couple of hours, and we'll call it even. ? | 23:58 |
| skaet | phillw, see if one of the other MOTU's has bandwidth to help out, and get it uploaded. | 23:59 |
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