=== Guest66142 is now known as McPeter === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|otp === mmrazik|otp is now known as mmrazik === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|lunch === mmrazik|lunch is now known as mmrazik === mmrazik is now known as mmrazik|afk === mmrazik|afk is now known as mmrazik === _salem is now known as salem_ [15:54] how serious is it to test a new kernel? [15:54] someone asked me to test an upstream kernel, and what to do? [15:55] I filed a but on non working wireless chipsets, and there is a reply [15:56] it's a bit of a pain, but not hard to install [15:56] and testing it is very simple [16:16] balloons: you got a link to the arm beta1 - I can't find one [16:16] elfy, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/quantal/beta-1/ubuntu-12.10-beta1-desktop-armhf+omap4.img [16:17] cheers - no idea why you want me to install that and upgrade it to the state of the one I've got here that works fine though :) [16:18] elfy, yes, it was requested by the teams to test continuity in the archive [16:18] hope I can get it working then - can't remember that one working for me [16:18] I don't suspect we'll see issues, but I am/was worried about unity 6.8 on ARM [16:19] k [16:21] will do it tomorrow now - damn things are slow to install anyway [16:21] today's daily appears to be fine though :) [16:26] can Ubuntu live in 30GB? [16:26] on* [16:26] mine always used to fine silverarrow [16:26] good [16:27] I am downloading todays Ubuntu, and plan on dual install [16:27] with lubuntu [16:27] oic [16:28] ? [16:28] 30 Gb shared? or just for ubuntu - I used to run with 10Gb just so you know [16:29] just for ubuntu [16:30] loads of room [16:30] 10GB and runs fine? [16:31] not sure about that [16:31] yea never had any issues at all [16:31] so grub is probably the main issue then [16:31] not sure what it'd be like now silverarrow - but my xubuntu - which has had all manner of things installed is at 8.3 [16:32] issue? [16:32] yeah, to make it behave with dual boot. login and all that [16:33] should be ok silverarrow - I've never had to fight with win7 or anything [16:35] I run ubuntu on about 6 gig [16:36] not for the feint of heart ;-) [16:36] :) [16:36] ooh [16:36] I wouldn't go lower than 8.. 10 is much btter [16:36] 6gig what? [16:36] the full install is about 5 gig [16:36] so do I - but it never gets updated - just gets installed over again [16:36] it can have 30 [16:36] and as soon as you update, you need space to download and have 2 copies of packages at the same time [16:36] I normally do 20gig for ubuntu desktop, generally only ever use 8gigs of it [16:36] let's just say I have to massage dist-upgrades through on that thing [16:37] my mythtv frontends are currently using 3gigs [16:37] I'm not doing it by choice persay, I only have an 8 gig ssd [16:37] balloons: pppft - I just apt-get clean first :) [16:37] actually I don't [16:37] my servers are all either 2 or 8gigs :) [16:37] normally <1gig used [16:37] you might get a larger one, these days they are a bit cheaper [16:37] I just never really upgrade it [16:38] elfy, I have to uninstall all large programs [16:38] dist-upgrade, intterupt, apt-get clean, then continue [16:38] but as long as it works, thing are fine [16:38] then re-install big stuff [16:38] :) [16:38] :-P [16:39] I'm on 12.04 lts now.. it's never upgrading again [16:39] it will EOL on that [16:39] we should get balloons a new ssd for christmas [16:39] lol [16:40] * silverarrow suspects he already have one in a drawer [16:40] 8gig ssd's are so painfully slow [16:40] lol [16:40] it's the only ssd I own actually [16:41] to be honest, I've never really run them, since in my desktops are all traditional disks [16:41] I have none, I consider my 7200rpm speedy [16:41] I thought so too [16:41] even upgraded my 7200rpm laptop drive to ssd, and didn't think ssd was much faster [16:41] ssd died, went back to the drive [16:41] oh the pain [16:41] lol [16:42] I'd not know one if it got up and said hi [16:42] a step back is always the worst [16:42] an ssd boot with crazy read performance makes sense [16:42] keepin your stuff on a traditional drive is fine [16:42] well, in this case, did lots of vm suspend/restores [16:42] so the ssd made that increadably fast [16:42] I want one of those Samsung 9 series, [16:42] my current laptop has dual 256g ssd's [16:43] I think they are 125GB SSD [16:45] I went with a lenovo t530, and customized it with a msata 256g and samsung 830 256g [16:47] I`m not sure I have seen the lenovo model [16:47] hmm, yo ucan get a samsung 9 with 256g, but not quadcore cpu it looks like [16:48] I figured I needed a quad core, in order to last long enough, without it feeling painfully slow in a year or two [16:48] I would be happy with a asus zenbook, but they don`t have 15" screens [16:49] yeah, that is the best way about it [16:49] computers often live on long after you get a new one even [16:49] yep, totally overspec'd the laptop [16:49] hmm, not my laptops :) [16:50] well, my last laptop lenovo t61p is 5 years old now [16:50] they don`t? [16:50] it's completely toast [16:50] I have had laptops die after less than 3 years, some lasted 11 years, a handmedown packard bell [16:51] screen has issues, cpu won't stay cool, fan works ok, new battery drains faster than it should, case is worn so thin, it's cracking [16:51] it worked fine with almost anything bug flash [16:51] It wasn`t all that good though [16:52] this time I want a new one, with as high specs as possible on a slim laptop [16:53] teh t530 looks like it has a double screen [16:53] hmm? [16:53] it has a 1920x1080 15" screen [16:53] and can have 4 screens total attached [16:53] maybe just the pick then [16:54] no, it is correct rendering [16:54] I tested 4 screen mode, while works, not fun on linux to do yet [16:54] plus, powering on the nvidia graphics card doubles the laptop power draw, from my normal 6-9w to 20w [16:55] which matters if you run on battery [16:55] ya, I like getting 10-12h per battery :) [16:55] any heat issues? [16:55] nope, at 10w, the whole thing stays cold [16:56] great [16:56] I have to run now, back later [16:56] it`s getting dark [17:00] * patdk-wk sends silverarrow a usb flashlight [18:17] patdk-wk: are you there? [18:18] I was in center of town just now, and in one of the old radio shops (which hardly has radios any more) the had a Lenovo B570, [18:22] hmm, dunno that one [18:23] I stick to the R/T/W/X lines, as the others seem to be lacking quality [18:23] it was just before closing time so I didn`t get to see all the models [18:24] it was unusually low priced [18:24] ya, looks a lot like my sl500 [18:24] that one only lasted me a year :( [18:24] oh [18:24] terrible [18:24] they should at least last five [18:24] with out serious hardware failure [18:24] the plastic just wore out, from my hands rubbing on it [18:24] and the screen flexed too much and broke [18:25] that happened on a fujitsu I had [18:25] and each time they *repaired* it, it got more broke [18:25] the silvergrey finish wore off [18:25] I litterally wore a hole though it :) [18:25] I don`t know lenovo, but I have liked some HP models [18:26] well, lenovo used to be ibm, till ibm said they didn't want to make consumer stuff anymore [18:26] * silverarrow wonders what kind of hands patdk-wk has. Sandingpaper or very acid? [18:26] but lenovo had branched off the ibm line with other lower priced lines [18:26] defently sandpaper [18:27] lol [18:27] I have noticed some asus models have steel casing [18:27] actually, I had to grow my hands skin back a few years back [18:27] like a dark brushed steel [18:27] I froze it all off [18:27] they look good [18:27] horrid [18:28] nothing like taking your hands, and making them -40c in a few seconds [18:28] you were in the mountains or? [18:28] oh, nitogen tank? [18:28] all the skin came off, and took about 2 months for the skin to grow back, and a good year for it to stop cracking [18:28] na, hvac [18:28] * silverarrow googles hvac [18:29] oh, and acronym [18:29] we hardly have those here [18:30] we have ventilation, but the more advanced air condition only larger shoppings centers and office buildings [18:31] I know a guy who is the sort who volunters on military practices and that kind of thing [18:31] he lost a toe [18:31] froze off [18:31] and next year happily joins again [18:49] balloons: not sur whether upgrading from beta 1 via update mangler is something that I would generally do - especially as it is telling me it's a partial upgrade ;) [18:50] elfy, oh really? [18:50] is the archive not in a good state atm [18:50] I just upgraded [18:53] no idea - software sources crashed as well [18:54] or I think it did - this beta 1 had that really annoying m,ove the mouse and you can't see anything bug :) [18:54] just going to see what synaptic says first [18:55] the use the whole disk only allocates something like 400Mb of swapfor some reason as well [19:00] balloons: confirmed that archived tests bug :) [19:01] elfy, so it works yes? [19:01] yep = I put some results today [19:01] I'll keep an eye on it over the next couple of days when I do tests [19:01] k.. I think knome and I found it was a bug [19:02] yea - I read the backlog in here [19:02] we still need to file the actual bug.. attempting to recreate on staging [19:02] I really wish I'd accidentally not read this qa ARM email today ... [19:02] ok - well if you need me to do anything with it then just shout [19:13] balloons: no it's not the archive its update manager - synaptic is fine with it - upgrades and to be installed all going now [19:14] ahh [19:14] the update manager bombs eh? [19:15] just says there's a partial - I can run it with update manager with the partial if you really want to - but it'll not be good - it rarely is :) [19:17] to be honest I rarely use um unless I'm actually testing it itself [19:24] I'm sure it won't be [19:24] :-) [19:24] so you want me to do it with update mangler? [19:25] no no, no reason to mangle it up [19:25] how's unity [19:25] still ok? [19:25] not in beta 1 it's not [19:25] lol [19:25] it's that horrible don't move the mouse if you want to see the desktop bug in that one [19:26] yes, but it upgraded ok [19:26] and unity is fine now? [19:26] not yet - still doing it ... [19:26] same as your fresh install [19:26] ohh [19:26] ok [19:26] * balloons waits patiently [19:26] it was excellent before I went backwards :) [19:27] doing anything processor heavy here is really really slow - perhaps it's the stick - but I don't think so - works fine everywhere else [20:14] phillw, ping [20:14] balloons: pong [20:18] see your pm [20:19] hi [20:19] I`ve read the mail today [20:19] hey silverarrow [20:19] how are you? [20:19] I`m fine thank, and you? [20:20] are you in sync again after the all nighter? [20:21] I had a few days of natural day night rythem when I worked nights [20:22] I have a new attempt at alsamixer issues [20:22] I have no idea where to start [20:29] lost connection [20:31] silverarrow: you really should pop onto #freenode and request an unafilliated cloak? [20:33] silverarrow, yes, I'm slowly easing back the hours [20:33] it will take me a bit to completely come back to normal [20:34] do knome and i need to make a lvm xubuntu testcase? [20:34] Noskcaj, i wouldn't worry about that for Q release [20:34] ok [20:41] phillw: what`s that? [20:41] invisibility cloak? [20:42] * balloons rolls +6 die [20:42] 2 [20:42] silverarrow: it prevents you giving out you IP address when you log onto IRC [20:42] silverarrow loses invisibility for 10 seconds [20:42] I see, that is a bad thing? [20:42] I have a sort of joint IP with the rest of the house [20:42] silverarrow: it can be, we aren't bad people, but others are. Having a cloak reduces risks [20:43] phillw, i can give you an IP address any day! [20:43] phillw, 24.65.152.45 [20:43] phillw, there you go! [20:43] 6 people uses this modem [20:43] though right now only two [20:43] silverarrow: it has no difference to them, just masks it when you log onto IRC [20:43] phillw: I shall look into the cloak [20:44] do we have a factoid bot on here? [20:44] !bot [20:44] Hi! I'm #ubuntu-testing's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi | Usage info: http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins | Bot channels and general info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots [20:44] !cloak [20:44] To get any kind of cloak (ubuntu member or any other kind) you first need to set up your nick as detailed in this FAQ: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup - For Ubuntu member cloaks, ask in #ubuntu-irc and provide your launchpad page, for unaffiliated ones, ask in #freenode. [20:45] thanks knome, I'm used to DragonEyes :P [20:50] ew dragon eyes ;) [20:50] is my IP address of use to anyone? [20:51] silverarrow, if somebody wants to make your life a bit more miserable, then yeah, it could be [20:51] hmm [20:51] the web is probably not worse than the rest of earth [20:51] nasty place at times [20:52] probably not worse, but the bad things might be happening more often [20:52] hehe [20:52] like landing in the world of linux [20:52] hardly anyting works [20:53] at least in alpha [20:53] ;- ) [20:53] luckily it gets better [20:54] don't know about the world though... [20:56] does libre office work in gome/unity? [20:57] hashsum mismatch when updating [20:57] silverarrow, yes [20:58] good [20:59] there were a guy yesterday with toolbar problems [21:00] virtualbox says its disconected from the internet whe my pc is not, what is this a bug in? [21:01] likely [21:01] battery monitor doesn`t work that well in lxde on powerpc [21:05] Noskcaj: I had a bunch of issues the other day with vbox and internet, had to set it to bridged adapter [21:05] ok elfy [21:32] balloons: so 2 hours later it is still upgrading the 883 packages ... [21:34] elfy, wow [21:34] that might be awhile [21:34] i'm uploading [21:34] 1 hr in a 5 hour jon [21:34] *job [21:36] going to bed as soon as this tea mug is empty :) will look in the morning lol [21:36] sounds like a good plan mate [21:36] as long as it all works then I guess it's worth it :) [21:36] yep [21:37] I noted on the testcase that I used synaptic === salem_ is now known as _salem [21:49] that'll do - night balloons [21:51] good night elfy ! [23:15] plars, infinity, balloons - was just doing an update on my quantal machine, and have gotten "Update information (null)" and system has stopped responding. anyone else seeing this? [23:22] infinity, slangasek - do you want me to try to catch anything from the hung system before I reboot? [23:23] skaet: If it's hung, I'm not sure what you'd collect. [23:24] infinity, well mouse moves around, so not completely [23:25] but I can't get a terminal to come up from the keyboard, so power cycle time. [23:45] infinity: the ppa is at https://launchpad.net/~gilir/+archive/lubuntu what needs doing? [23:50] phillw: I'm pretty sure gilir knows what to do... [23:52] infinity: so a simple "Yes, it is approved" will do? [23:53] phillw: It was already approved, so yes, he just needs to (a) commit to fxing/reverting if it breaks, and (b) upload it to the archive. [23:54] infinity, past.ubuntu.com/1270232 - results from rebooted, and triggering software updater again. [23:54] thanks, i know he still not 100% well so getting that (quite major) issue off his mind this close to a release will help a lot [23:54] paste.ubuntu.com/1270232 rather. [23:54] anything else you want included in the bug? [23:58] infinity: skaet as he away from computer, how best to (00:33:00) skaet: phillw, please work to get it uploaded now in next couple of hours, and we'll call it even. ? [23:59] phillw, see if one of the other MOTU's has bandwidth to help out, and get it uploaded.