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bootlfdhfrsamornin' All .. Sun just came up ... lovely and Cold out there !  .. better put heating on this morning ... Make a note to turn it off before work though !06:46
Myrttiyeah, something like that07:47
theopensourcererMoar coffee.07:50
theopensourcererThis guy is NUTS!!! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-1986024907:53
theopensourcererBlimey - that is cheap.07:54
popey16GB Nexus 7 is 19007:56
diploBlimey that is cheap, did i read somewhere that they were going to get Android apps running on it as well ?08:08
gordi could get one of them and it could sit in the closet next to my joggler08:11
* AlanBell wants a tablet that is known to run Ubuntu08:13
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gordi want a tablet running the zx spectrum os, will a full keyboard and internal tape-deck08:15
gordit would be awesome08:15
daubersgord: Get some SD cards made up to look like tiny tapes?08:16
JamesTaitGood morning all! :-D08:16
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gorddaubers, how is that anywhere near as cool :(08:26
SuperMattall righty, if I want to talk quickly dev with people, which channel should I inhabit?08:28
diploSuperMatt: quickly ide ?08:31
diplo#quickly I think works, was on there a while ago myself08:31
SuperMattunless anyone here know's the answer08:32
diploI'm a n00b myself at it, but might as well ask08:32
SuperMattI'm following jono's video tutorial, which is great, but I've just got to about 09:50 where he sets the label for his refresh button and I just can't set the label :(08:32
diploGot the link to the vid ?08:33
SuperMattmine's just greyed out08:33
SuperMattI am doing this in quantal, if it makes a difference08:33
diploSo add button is greyed out ?08:34
SuperMattno, I can add it, but I can't set the label08:34
SuperMattquite a lot of options are greyed out08:35
diploJust installing on my box now and see if it is, on;y have it installed at home08:35
diplo2 secs ( Im on precise, so at least we can see if it's an issue )08:35
diploWorks fine for me, just set label test08:43
SuperMattmust be a quantal thing :/08:47
diploI may have to have a play with quickly again now08:48
diploI've got Quantal at home, will try it tonight08:48
SuperMattthanks, that'd be awesome if you could08:48
brobostigongood morning everyone.08:53
brobostigonmorning SuperMatt08:56
MyrttiI need more tea :-|08:59
SuperMattwell, I've had to edit that UI file by hand09:00
SuperMattoh, well that doesn't help because the next step is changing the icon, which doesn't work either09:02
SuperMattmaybe I should install a quantal vm09:02
diploI found you had to wait ages for any quickly peeps, lunch time was best i think as the US were waking up09:04
diploI guess I could run up a vm here at work and test09:04
SuperMattoh that would be kind :)09:11
popeythe main quickly person is didrocks, and he's based in .fr09:11
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daubersSuperMatt: does that video cover Gtk 3 or is it based on Gtk 2?09:12
SuperMattooh, I don't know09:12
SuperMattit *looks* like the tutorial was designed for precise09:13
daubersIt is Gtk 3 :)09:13
SuperMattso that'd be gtk 3, surely?09:13
daubersit's using gi.repository which is normally a good sign it's using Gtk309:13
daubers(from my very limited experience anyway)09:14
diploQuantal vm installing now09:20
SuperMattthanks diplo09:23
diploAnyone here use SME Server ?09:26
SuperMattnot I09:31
diploIt sucks soooooooooooooooo badly :)09:32
diplo3/4 installed now09:32
SuperMattby precise is almost ready09:33
SuperMattI have decided that precise is quantal's ugly sister09:35
diploI've got to say it is much more finished and faster etc09:41
gordi wish life was a tv show, so we could quick cut to six months later where you guys are saying the same thing about 13.04 and how bad 12.10 is ;)09:42
diploWell tbh gord 12.04 really was a huge improvement over 11.04, but 12.10 should be what the LTS release was.09:45
diploIt was sooooooooo slow09:45
chambsAnyone have any idea of the location of the script which modifies /etc/motd when you ssh onto ubuntu server?09:54
diploali1234: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-change-message-of-the-day-motd-in-ubuntu-server.html09:55
AlanBell!info update-motd09:55
lubotu3update-motd (source: update-motd): superceded by pam_motd in libpam-modules. In component main, is optional. Version 3.5-0ubuntu1 (precise), package size 5 kB, installed size 56 kB09:55
chambs(Think that was for me not ali but thanks!)09:55
diplolol it was, sorry chambs / ali1234  :)09:57
diploAnd so was AlanBell response chambs ( same thing )09:57
chambsYep I'll just tinker with things in /etc/update-motd.d09:57
chambsThanks all09:57
davmor2Morning all10:01
diploello davmor210:01
chambsMuch better. Now I don't get a link to ubuntu landscape every time I log in ;P10:02
davmor2morning diplo10:03
popeychambs, i do "touch .hushlogin"10:04
popeythen it is nice and peaceful on sshing in10:04
chambspopey, so it is!10:05
popeybug 1064285 - AlanBell or davmor2 can you confirm that?10:09
lubotu3Launchpad bug 1064285 in shotwell (Ubuntu) "Triangles shrink when mouse over" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106428510:09
AlanBellpopey: nope, works for me10:10
popeyit works for me too, but i have little triangles10:11
AlanBellI don't10:11
popeyonly on mouse over10:11
AlanBellnothing remarkable happens on mouseover10:11
AlanBellI am unable to reproduce your screenshot10:11
* popey restarts10:12
davmor2popey: I don't here either let me try a reboot and see if I get it then10:20
popeybah, reboot and it's gone away10:21
* popey marks invalid10:21
diploSuperMatt: I can confirm on quantal it's disabled for me as well10:31
diploSuperMatt: If you click on Action related action and use action appearance it enables it10:34
diploAlanBell: Expensive PJ's!10:36
AlanBelldiplo: yeah, they are10:37
SuperMattdiplo: run me through that?10:37
SuperMattdiplo: go it! Thanks!10:38
diploSo on the action part of the tool bar editor10:38
SuperMattI HAS A BUTTON10:39
diploNot played with it much as the vm is quite slow10:39
SuperMattthanks muncly dude :)10:39
diploOK, my ask for help now :)10:39
diploI asked this friday but my foo is failing me today10:39
diploI have 2 dirs with 300+ files int hem10:39
diploin them*10:39
diplothey all start with sp10.000.randomnumber10:40
diploI want to compare the files to tell me which are different10:40
diploShould be the same output but i haver 304 in one dir and 307 in the other10:40
diploI think gord said use md5, I've tried but it says all files are different10:40
bigcalmYou can diff 2 directories10:41
diployeah, but because the filenames are different between 2 dirs that's not working10:41
diploWell I believe that is the issue10:41
bigcalmMight have to script it10:41
shaunowhat's the content of these files like?  any unique string you could pull out of each one?  (an accountid, name, etc)10:42
diploit's statements in plain text10:42
diploso yeah account numbers / addresses etc10:42
diploI can grab the files and bring locally if there is a gui app that's good as well10:43
SuperMattdo you want to just compare the contents?10:43
diploI just want to find which 3 files are different without going through 600+ files :)10:44
shaunoif they're not similar enough to match md5's, I'd try to awk an account number out of each one, pipe through sort so you have almost-identical lists, and then diff those two lists10:44
SuperMattcos you could do cat dir1/* > file1; cat dir2/* > file2; vimdiff file1 file210:44
diploI've tried md5suming the files and then diffing that but that's not working10:44
davmor2diplo: you can try beyond compare on the 2 files10:45
SuperMattwhat do the files contain?10:45
diplobasic text displaying statement details, so account/address/and inv numbers etc10:46
SuperMattthen my method should work10:46
diplodavmor2: will look, will try SuperMatt's first10:46
SuperMattit won't tell you which files are different, but it'll tell you what differences there are between them10:46
Laneyfitted a non-shitty 2.5"-3.5" adapter for the SSD10:47
Laneyno longer is it hangin' loose inside my case10:47
davmor2diplo: there is meld diff viewer too iirc10:48
* popey hangs loose10:48
shaunoonly thing I'd watch for with cat dir1/* is that most shells return the glob as sorted, so the random numbers will jumble the order.  you might want to loop through $(ls -U) instead so they're cat'd in the order they were created  (which I assume will be closer to natural, assuming they were created with a mostly-similar method)10:49
* theopensourcerer loves meld. It is full of awsomeness10:50
diploshauno: Sounds like I may have to as it's saying all different10:51
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Laneywhy do lastpass link to some hateful script instead of the chrome web store10:57
AlanBellhttp://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2006/detail/ quite a few people coming to the release party now11:13
gord.. 2006?11:14
shaunoit's just incremental, not a date :p11:16
gordoh okay :P11:17
Laneysilly london11:22
davmor2czajkowski: prod hello11:26
davmor2christel: hello11:27
christelhihi davmor211:28
davmor2AlanBell: Hey dude wasn't the city bar used for the release party before?11:32
Dave2All of the Cs.11:37
AlanBelldavmor2 err, maybe, why?11:58
davmor2I had a memory of it being there before and everyone clearing off else where cause it was cheaper :D  but I could be wrong11:59
davmor2AlanBell: ^11:59
AlanBellwell this isn't there12:00
AlanBellthis is at the George12:01
davmor2AlanBell: ah maybe I got the wrong release party page from a link12:02
AlanBellthere was one in a dark and small wine bar in westminster12:02
mungojerryhmm alt-tab in gnome shell seems "broken" in that it doesn't switch back to the previous app12:42
czajkowskiaquarius: all recovered :)13:17
aquariusjust about. :)13:18
livingdaylightto all pangolin lovers http://tinyurl.com/8fdptwr13:20
dwatkinslivingdaylight: that's a lovely pangolin (full URL is https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151058216545658&set=a.10150523921480658.372668.270212045657&type=1&theater )13:27
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davmor2mattt: is obviously by the landing site of a large pod that has come from mars15:50
davmor2oh no that oooooooooooooooooolllaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa15:51
DJonesHeh, had to laugh at this http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/308574_324291280918787_1961835811_n.jpg15:54
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Azelphuranyone know what the deal is with hdmi 1.3 / 1.5 cables?18:02
Azelphursorry, 1.3 / 1.418:02
diploIn what way ?18:07
Azelphurmostly in a "will a 1.4 cable work with my laptop if it's 1.3"18:07
diploYep afaik18:07
Azelphurfound a 1.5m 1.4 cable for £5 with free delivery, sounds like that'll do me nicely18:08
diploI'll get proof first :) but I'm sure they are18:08
diploOK, no reputable sources, but everything I've read agrees with me :)18:10
diploI'm 90% sure18:11
AlanBellBug #1061229 is critical \o/18:28
lubotu3Launchpad bug 1061229 in unity (Ubuntu) "Alt-Tab - alt+grave (key above tab) takes you back to where you started, not to the next window" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/106122918:28
directhexyou cannot call a cable a 1.3 cable or 1.4 cable18:33
directhexit's a requirement of hdmi logo certification18:33
directhexshort version: yeah, the cables have never changed, really18:34
directhexyou've got four types of cable, you only need to care about one of those18:34
diploPretty much how I understood it, just added higher resolution, proper hd 3d support and some other stuff that I can't do off the top of my head18:35
directhex"standard", "standard with ethernet", "high speed", and "high speed with ethernet"18:35
directhexevery single feature you need is covered by "high speed"18:35
MartijnVdSdirecthex: then there's the "mini" connector..18:35
directhexand i don't think "standard" have been sold for yonks18:36
directhexMartijnVdS: yeah, talking about the cabling itself18:36
directhexif it says it can do 1080p, then it's high speed. if it's high speed, it can do everything else too - 4k, 3d, etc18:37
MartijnVdSI have an "HDMI splitter box" that can only do "low refresh rate" 1080p18:38
MartijnVdSin short, hdmi is weird :)18:39
directhexyeah, talking about cables here ;)18:39
MartijnVdSWe have a "cheap cables" web store in .nl18:39
MartijnVdS€4 HDMI cables \o/18:40
MartijnVdSinstead of the extortionate €50 you pay in stores18:40
dwatkinspeople actually pay that for HDMI cables?18:54
MartijnVdSdwatkins: if you just bought a shiny new 3D TV and blu-ray player, but don't have cables, AND don't want to wait 3 days for it to arrive in the mail18:55
MartijnVdSdwatkins: yes.18:55
AzelphurMartijnVdS: yea I just paid £4.99 for a 1.5m hdmi 1.4 cable18:55
dwatkinsah ok, I can understand paying over the odds to get it quickly (although the local 24 hour Tesco has them in stock)18:56
Azelphurfree next day delivery too, can't complain18:56
MartijnVdSsome people even fall for the "audiophile" ones ("copper with argon bubbles and a silver coating and gold contacts")18:56
MartijnVdSbecause it's BETTER18:56
AzelphurI could have got it for like £1 but I don't wanna wait18:56
dwatkinsI can understand a slightly better built connector and a thicker cable so it doesn't bend too much with frequent reconnection, but that's about it18:57
* MartijnVdS has a Zoom H1 mic18:57
MartijnVdSdwatkins: how often do you reconnect though18:57
MartijnVdSpopey: ^ H1 mic = cool :)18:57
popeyme too!18:58
popeypicks up hand noise when holding it though18:58
MartijnVdSyeah, I got the "accessory pack" with it18:58
MartijnVdSwith a small tripod and an afro^Wwind screen18:59
MartijnVdSpopey: I also made my Canon 50D do video (it's not supposed to, yay MagicLantern ;))18:59
dwatkinsMartijnVdS: quite frequently at the moment, as I havn't yet spent 50 GBP on a HDMI switch box.19:05
daftykinsmy old school TV with its' one HDMI drove me mad19:23
daftykinslast Christmas i gave myself a Denon AV receiver and 5.1 speaker set ^_^19:23
brobostigonthis prog on bbc3 makes me laugh, how they came to make it.19:24
MartijnVdSwhy would you go to the US to _disprove_ creationism?19:27
daftykinsfor the crack?19:28
brobostigonMartijnVdS: exactly, but just because there is such an extreme public view of it.19:28
MartijnVdShaha.. how to annoy McDonald's employees http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNTSugyS038&feature=youtu.be19:52
czajkowskihttp://hackntalk.org/hello-world/  say hello to my new pet project20:00
kjalilhey has anyone ever reported audio problems when playing flash that can be fixed by doing 'pulseaudio --kill'?20:23
kjalilI keep having audio issues even on a fresh PC startup and that fixes it20:23
MartijnVdSdon't use flash ;)20:23
kjalilawesome :-) next...20:24
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daftykinsMartijnVdS: poor McDonalds ;)20:59
daftykinsin the US, just speaking in my Guernsey accent was enough to get orders confused \o/20:59
czajkowskiAlanBell: you're missing21:16
diploevening all21:35
diploAnyone remind of the package for joining images together to make 1 out of 321:36
diploGot a big school photo of one of my boys but needed to be scanned 3 times to get it copied21:36
DaraelThat's what comes up if I axi-cache search stitch21:38
Daraeldiplo: ^21:39
diplohugin, that's it21:40
DaraelThere's also the pandora package, which is a GIMP plugin, apparently.  Both hugin and it are aimed at panoramas, but they should work just as well for stitching scans.21:40
diploSorry was looking on other screen21:40
DaraelNo worries, I just thought I'd make sure of the highlight.21:41
diploNow to see if I have the images somewhere on this machine :)21:41
diploNope, ok.. tomorrows job :)21:45
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gebbioneis there a freenode channel for .net?22:28
AlanBellgebbione: you could ask the alis bot22:42
AlanBellgebbione: /msg alis list *.net22:43
AlanBellseems to be ##asp.net                                           86 :[##ASP.NET] Read Guidelines @ http://aspdotnet.supertechhelp.com - Entity Framework: #entityframework  Winforms: ##vb.net or ##csharp -  WPF/Silverlight/Metro: ##xaml - WCF: ##WCF22:43
DaraelThere'll be mono channels, too, which are /related/.22:56

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