[06:46] <bootlfdhfrsa> mornin' All .. Sun just came up ... lovely and Cold out there !  .. better put heating on this morning ... Make a note to turn it off before work though !
[07:16] <christel> morning
[07:45] <czajkowski> bleugh
[07:47] <Myrtti> yeah, something like that
[07:50] <theopensourcerer> *!MORNING!*
[07:50] <popey> *\o/*
[07:50] <theopensourcerer> Moar coffee.
[07:53] <theopensourcerer> This guy is NUTS!!! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19860249
[07:54] <popey> http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/blackberry-playbook-tablet-pc-32gb-10647931-pdt.html
[07:54] <popey> cheapo
[07:54] <theopensourcerer> Blimey - that is cheap.
[07:56] <popey> 16GB Nexus 7 is 190
[08:07] <diplo> Morning
[08:08] <diplo> Blimey that is cheap, did i read somewhere that they were going to get Android apps running on it as well ?
[08:11] <gord> i could get one of them and it could sit in the closet next to my joggler
[08:12] <diplo> hah
[08:13]  * AlanBell wants a tablet that is known to run Ubuntu
[08:13] <popey> :)
[08:15] <gord> i want a tablet running the zx spectrum os, will a full keyboard and internal tape-deck
[08:15] <gord> it would be awesome
[08:16] <daubers> gord: Get some SD cards made up to look like tiny tapes?
[08:16] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :-D
[08:26] <gord> daubers, how is that anywhere near as cool :(
[08:28] <SuperMatt> all righty, if I want to talk quickly dev with people, which channel should I inhabit?
[08:31] <diplo> SuperMatt: quickly ide ?
[08:31] <diplo> thingy
[08:31] <diplo> #quickly I think works, was on there a while ago myself
[08:32] <SuperMatt> cool
[08:32] <SuperMatt> unless anyone here know's the answer
[08:32] <diplo> I'm a n00b myself at it, but might as well ask
[08:32] <SuperMatt> I'm following jono's video tutorial, which is great, but I've just got to about 09:50 where he sets the label for his refresh button and I just can't set the label :(
[08:33] <diplo> Got the link to the vid ?
[08:33] <SuperMatt> http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/
[08:33] <SuperMatt> mine's just greyed out
[08:33] <SuperMatt> I am doing this in quantal, if it makes a difference
[08:34] <diplo> So add button is greyed out ?
[08:34] <SuperMatt> no, I can add it, but I can't set the label
[08:35] <SuperMatt> quite a lot of options are greyed out
[08:35] <diplo> Just installing on my box now and see if it is, on;y have it installed at home
[08:35] <SuperMatt> thanks
[08:35] <diplo> 2 secs ( Im on precise, so at least we can see if it's an issue )
[08:37] <SuperMatt> legendary
[08:43] <diplo> Works fine for me, just set label test
[08:47] <SuperMatt> must be a quantal thing :/
[08:48] <diplo> I may have to have a play with quickly again now
[08:48] <SuperMatt> hah
[08:48] <diplo> I've got Quantal at home, will try it tonight
[08:48] <SuperMatt> thanks, that'd be awesome if you could
[08:53] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:55] <SuperMatt> morning
[08:56] <brobostigon> morning SuperMatt
[08:59] <Myrtti> I need more tea :-|
[09:00] <SuperMatt> well, I've had to edit that UI file by hand
[09:02] <SuperMatt> oh, well that doesn't help because the next step is changing the icon, which doesn't work either
[09:02] <SuperMatt> maybe I should install a quantal vm
[09:02] <SuperMatt> *precise
[09:04] <diplo> I found you had to wait ages for any quickly peeps, lunch time was best i think as the US were waking up
[09:04] <diplo> I guess I could run up a vm here at work and test
[09:11] <SuperMatt> oh that would be kind :)
[09:11] <popey> the main quickly person is didrocks, and he's based in .fr
[09:12] <daubers> SuperMatt: does that video cover Gtk 3 or is it based on Gtk 2?
[09:12] <SuperMatt> ooh, I don't know
[09:13] <SuperMatt> it *looks* like the tutorial was designed for precise
[09:13] <daubers> It is Gtk 3 :)
[09:13] <SuperMatt> so that'd be gtk 3, surely?
[09:13] <daubers> it's using gi.repository which is normally a good sign it's using Gtk3
[09:14] <daubers> (from my very limited experience anyway)
[09:20] <diplo> Quantal vm installing now
[09:23] <SuperMatt> thanks diplo
[09:26] <diplo> Anyone here use SME Server ?
[09:31] <SuperMatt> not I
[09:32] <diplo> It sucks soooooooooooooooo badly :)
[09:32] <diplo> 3/4 installed now
[09:33] <SuperMatt> awesome
[09:33] <SuperMatt> by precise is almost ready
[09:35] <SuperMatt> I have decided that precise is quantal's ugly sister
[09:41] <diplo> I've got to say it is much more finished and faster etc
[09:42] <gord> i wish life was a tv show, so we could quick cut to six months later where you guys are saying the same thing about 13.04 and how bad 12.10 is ;)
[09:45] <diplo> Well tbh gord 12.04 really was a huge improvement over 11.04, but 12.10 should be what the LTS release was.
[09:45] <diplo> It was sooooooooo slow
[09:54] <chambs> Anyone have any idea of the location of the script which modifies /etc/motd when you ssh onto ubuntu server?
[09:55] <diplo> ali1234: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-change-message-of-the-day-motd-in-ubuntu-server.html
[09:55] <AlanBell> !info update-motd
[09:55] <chambs> (Think that was for me not ali but thanks!)
[09:57] <diplo> lol it was, sorry chambs / ali1234  :)
[09:57] <diplo> And so was AlanBell response chambs ( same thing )
[09:57] <chambs> Yep I'll just tinker with things in /etc/update-motd.d
[09:57] <chambs> Thanks all
[10:01] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:01] <diplo> ello davmor2
[10:02] <chambs> Much better. Now I don't get a link to ubuntu landscape every time I log in ;P
[10:03] <davmor2> morning diplo
[10:04] <popey> chambs, i do "touch .hushlogin"
[10:04] <popey> then it is nice and peaceful on sshing in
[10:05] <chambs> popey, so it is!
[10:05] <chambs> Thanks
[10:09] <popey> bug 1064285 - AlanBell or davmor2 can you confirm that?
[10:10] <AlanBell> popey: nope, works for me
[10:11] <popey> it works for me too, but i have little triangles
[10:11] <AlanBell> I don't
[10:11] <popey> only on mouse over
[10:11] <AlanBell> nothing remarkable happens on mouseover
[10:11] <AlanBell> I am unable to reproduce your screenshot
[10:11] <popey> hmm
[10:12]  * popey restarts
[10:20] <davmor2> popey: I don't here either let me try a reboot and see if I get it then
[10:21] <popey> bah, reboot and it's gone away
[10:21]  * popey marks invalid
[10:31] <diplo> SuperMatt: I can confirm on quantal it's disabled for me as well
[10:34] <diplo> SuperMatt: If you click on Action related action and use action appearance it enables it
[10:36] <diplo> AlanBell: Expensive PJ's!
[10:37] <AlanBell> diplo: yeah, they are
[10:37] <SuperMatt> diplo: run me through that?
[10:38] <SuperMatt> diplo: go it! Thanks!
[10:38] <diplo> So on the action part of the tool bar editor
[10:38] <SuperMatt> *got
[10:38] <diplo> :)
[10:39] <SuperMatt> I HAS A BUTTON
[10:39] <diplo> Not played with it much as the vm is quite slow
[10:39] <diplo> yay!
[10:39] <SuperMatt> thanks muncly dude :)
[10:39] <diplo> OK, my ask for help now :)
[10:39] <SuperMatt> uh-oh!
[10:39] <diplo> I asked this friday but my foo is failing me today
[10:39] <diplo> I have 2 dirs with 300+ files int hem
[10:39] <diplo> in them*
[10:40] <diplo> they all start with sp10.000.randomnumber
[10:40] <diplo> I want to compare the files to tell me which are different
[10:40] <diplo> Should be the same output but i haver 304 in one dir and 307 in the other
[10:40] <diplo> I think gord said use md5, I've tried but it says all files are different
[10:41] <bigcalm> You can diff 2 directories
[10:41] <diplo> yeah, but because the filenames are different between 2 dirs that's not working
[10:41] <bigcalm> Oh
[10:41] <diplo> Well I believe that is the issue
[10:41] <bigcalm> Might have to script it
[10:42] <shauno> what's the content of these files like?  any unique string you could pull out of each one?  (an accountid, name, etc)
[10:42] <diplo> it's statements in plain text
[10:42] <diplo> so yeah account numbers / addresses etc
[10:43] <diplo> I can grab the files and bring locally if there is a gui app that's good as well
[10:43] <SuperMatt> hmmm
[10:43] <SuperMatt> do you want to just compare the contents?
[10:44] <diplo> I just want to find which 3 files are different without going through 600+ files :)
[10:44] <shauno> if they're not similar enough to match md5's, I'd try to awk an account number out of each one, pipe through sort so you have almost-identical lists, and then diff those two lists
[10:44] <SuperMatt> cos you could do cat dir1/* > file1; cat dir2/* > file2; vimdiff file1 file2
[10:44] <diplo> I've tried md5suming the files and then diffing that but that's not working
[10:45] <davmor2> diplo: you can try beyond compare on the 2 files
[10:45] <SuperMatt> what do the files contain?
[10:46] <diplo> basic text displaying statement details, so account/address/and inv numbers etc
[10:46] <SuperMatt> then my method should work
[10:46] <diplo> davmor2: will look, will try SuperMatt's first
[10:46] <diplo> ta
[10:46] <SuperMatt> it won't tell you which files are different, but it'll tell you what differences there are between them
[10:47] <Laney> ah
[10:47] <Laney> fitted a non-shitty 2.5"-3.5" adapter for the SSD
[10:47] <Laney> no longer is it hangin' loose inside my case
[10:48] <davmor2> diplo: there is meld diff viewer too iirc
[10:48]  * popey hangs loose
[10:49] <shauno> only thing I'd watch for with cat dir1/* is that most shells return the glob as sorted, so the random numbers will jumble the order.  you might want to loop through $(ls -U) instead so they're cat'd in the order they were created  (which I assume will be closer to natural, assuming they were created with a mostly-similar method)
[10:50]  * theopensourcerer loves meld. It is full of awsomeness
[10:51] <diplo> shauno: Sounds like I may have to as it's saying all different
[10:51] <diplo> :/
[10:57] <Laney> :(
[10:57] <Laney> why do lastpass link to some hateful script instead of the chrome web store
[11:13] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2006/detail/ quite a few people coming to the release party now
[11:14] <gord> .. 2006?
[11:16] <shauno> it's just incremental, not a date :p
[11:17] <gord> oh okay :P
[11:22] <Laney> silly london
[11:26] <davmor2> czajkowski: prod hello
[11:27] <davmor2> christel: hello
[11:28] <christel> hihi davmor2
[11:29] <czajkowski> ello
[11:32] <davmor2> AlanBell: Hey dude wasn't the city bar used for the release party before?
[11:37] <Dave2> All of the Cs.
[11:58] <AlanBell> davmor2 err, maybe, why?
[11:59] <davmor2> I had a memory of it being there before and everyone clearing off else where cause it was cheaper :D  but I could be wrong
[11:59] <davmor2> AlanBell: ^
[12:00] <AlanBell> well this isn't there
[12:01] <AlanBell> this is at the George
[12:02] <davmor2> AlanBell: ah maybe I got the wrong release party page from a link
[12:02] <AlanBell> there was one in a dark and small wine bar in westminster
[12:42] <mungojerry> hmm alt-tab in gnome shell seems "broken" in that it doesn't switch back to the previous app
[13:17] <czajkowski> aquarius: all recovered :)
[13:18] <aquarius> just about. :)
[13:20] <livingdaylight> to all pangolin lovers http://tinyurl.com/8fdptwr
[13:27] <dwatkins> livingdaylight: that's a lovely pangolin (full URL is https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151058216545658&set=a.10150523921480658.372668.270212045657&type=1&theater )
[15:18] <Sintex> hey?
[15:19] <dwatkins> hey?
[15:34] <mattt> OHAAAAAAI
[15:50] <davmor2> mattt: is obviously by the landing site of a large pod that has come from mars
[15:51] <davmor2> oh no that oooooooooooooooooolllaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[15:54] <DJones> Heh, had to laugh at this http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/308574_324291280918787_1961835811_n.jpg
[18:02] <Azelphur> anyone know what the deal is with hdmi 1.3 / 1.5 cables?
[18:02] <Azelphur> sorry, 1.3 / 1.4
[18:07] <diplo> In what way ?
[18:07] <Azelphur> mostly in a "will a 1.4 cable work with my laptop if it's 1.3"
[18:07] <diplo> Yep afaik
[18:08] <Azelphur> fun
[18:08] <Azelphur> found a 1.5m 1.4 cable for £5 with free delivery, sounds like that'll do me nicely
[18:08] <diplo> I'll get proof first :) but I'm sure they are
[18:10] <diplo> OK, no reputable sources, but everything I've read agrees with me :)
[18:10] <Azelphur> same
[18:11] <diplo> I'm 90% sure
[18:28] <AlanBell> Bug #1061229 is critical \o/
[18:33] <directhex> you cannot call a cable a 1.3 cable or 1.4 cable
[18:33] <directhex> it's a requirement of hdmi logo certification
[18:34] <directhex> short version: yeah, the cables have never changed, really
[18:34] <directhex> you've got four types of cable, you only need to care about one of those
[18:35] <diplo> Pretty much how I understood it, just added higher resolution, proper hd 3d support and some other stuff that I can't do off the top of my head
[18:35] <directhex> "standard", "standard with ethernet", "high speed", and "high speed with ethernet"
[18:35] <directhex> every single feature you need is covered by "high speed"
[18:35] <MartijnVdS> directhex: then there's the "mini" connector..
[18:36] <directhex> and i don't think "standard" have been sold for yonks
[18:36] <directhex> MartijnVdS: yeah, talking about the cabling itself
[18:37] <directhex> if it says it can do 1080p, then it's high speed. if it's high speed, it can do everything else too - 4k, 3d, etc
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> I have an "HDMI splitter box" that can only do "low refresh rate" 1080p
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> 25-30fps
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> Hz
[18:39] <MartijnVdS> in short, hdmi is weird :)
[18:39] <directhex> yeah, talking about cables here ;)
[18:39] <MartijnVdS> We have a "cheap cables" web store in .nl
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> €4 HDMI cables \o/
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> instead of the extortionate €50 you pay in stores
[18:54] <dwatkins> people actually pay that for HDMI cables?
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: if you just bought a shiny new 3D TV and blu-ray player, but don't have cables, AND don't want to wait 3 days for it to arrive in the mail
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: yes.
[18:55] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: yea I just paid £4.99 for a 1.5m hdmi 1.4 cable
[18:56] <dwatkins> ah ok, I can understand paying over the odds to get it quickly (although the local 24 hour Tesco has them in stock)
[18:56] <Azelphur> free next day delivery too, can't complain
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> some people even fall for the "audiophile" ones ("copper with argon bubbles and a silver coating and gold contacts")
[18:56] <dwatkins> haha
[18:56] <MartijnVdS> because it's BETTER
[18:56] <Azelphur> I could have got it for like £1 but I don't wanna wait
[18:57] <dwatkins> I can understand a slightly better built connector and a thicker cable so it doesn't bend too much with frequent reconnection, but that's about it
[18:57]  * MartijnVdS has a Zoom H1 mic
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins: how often do you reconnect though
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> popey: ^ H1 mic = cool :)
[18:58] <popey> me too!
[18:58] <popey> picks up hand noise when holding it though
[18:58] <MartijnVdS> yeah, I got the "accessory pack" with it
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> with a small tripod and an afro^Wwind screen
[18:59] <MartijnVdS> popey: I also made my Canon 50D do video (it's not supposed to, yay MagicLantern ;))
[19:05] <dwatkins> MartijnVdS: quite frequently at the moment, as I havn't yet spent 50 GBP on a HDMI switch box.
[19:23] <daftykins> my old school TV with its' one HDMI drove me mad
[19:23] <daftykins> last Christmas i gave myself a Denon AV receiver and 5.1 speaker set ^_^
[19:24] <brobostigon> this prog on bbc3 makes me laugh, how they came to make it.
[19:27] <MartijnVdS> why would you go to the US to _disprove_ creationism?
[19:28] <daftykins> for the crack?
[19:28] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: exactly, but just because there is such an extreme public view of it.
[19:52] <MartijnVdS> haha.. how to annoy McDonald's employees http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNTSugyS038&feature=youtu.be
[20:00] <czajkowski> http://hackntalk.org/hello-world/  say hello to my new pet project
[20:23] <kjalil> hey has anyone ever reported audio problems when playing flash that can be fixed by doing 'pulseaudio --kill'?
[20:23] <kjalil> I keep having audio issues even on a fresh PC startup and that fixes it
[20:23] <MartijnVdS> don't use flash ;)
[20:24] <kjalil> awesome :-) next...
[20:59] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: poor McDonalds ;)
[20:59] <daftykins> in the US, just speaking in my Guernsey accent was enough to get orders confused \o/
[21:16] <czajkowski> AlanBell: you're missing
[21:35] <diplo> evening all
[21:36] <diplo> Anyone remind of the package for joining images together to make 1 out of 3
[21:36] <diplo> Got a big school photo of one of my boys but needed to be scanned 3 times to get it copied
[21:38] <Darael> Hugin?
[21:38] <Darael> That's what comes up if I axi-cache search stitch
[21:39] <Darael> diplo: ^
[21:40] <diplo> hugin, that's it
[21:40] <diplo> thanks
[21:40] <Darael> There's also the pandora package, which is a GIMP plugin, apparently.  Both hugin and it are aimed at panoramas, but they should work just as well for stitching scans.
[21:40] <diplo> Sorry was looking on other screen
[21:41] <Darael> No worries, I just thought I'd make sure of the highlight.
[21:41] <diplo> Now to see if I have the images somewhere on this machine :)
[21:45] <diplo> Nope, ok.. tomorrows job :)
[22:28] <gebbione> is there a freenode channel for .net?
[22:42] <AlanBell> gebbione: you could ask the alis bot
[22:43] <AlanBell> gebbione: /msg alis list *.net
[22:43] <AlanBell> seems to be ##asp.net                                           86 :[##ASP.NET] Read Guidelines @ http://aspdotnet.supertechhelp.com - Entity Framework: #entityframework  Winforms: ##vb.net or ##csharp -  WPF/Silverlight/Metro: ##xaml - WCF: ##WCF
[22:56] <Darael> There'll be mono channels, too, which are /related/.