| philballew | pleia2, Can I ask you a network question? | 03:56 |
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| philballew | or anyone I guess | 03:58 |
| philballew | What would cause my laptop to connect to my wireless network at school, then though still connected after a few minutes tank and not load anything and not be able to ping anything. | 03:58 |
| philballew | Wanna figure out why it only does it with them and everywhere else my laptop works fine. | 03:58 |
| akk | I've had problems with some laptops and some connections where it would drop the connection every few minutes, then (usually) auto-reconnect. | 03:59 |
| akk | Which isn't an answer, because I've never figured out why -- it's not always on a low signal strength network. | 03:59 |
| akk | Does iwconfig say you're still associated with the accesspoint? | 04:00 |
| philballew | not checked. network manager shows that I am | 04:01 |
| akk | iwconfig is easy enough to run. | 04:01 |
| philballew | totally will next time it tanks | 04:02 |
| akk | I've found that often when gui thingies seem to indicate I'm connected, iwconfig says I'm not really associated. | 04:02 |
| philballew | I think it might be some dhcp thing | 04:02 |
| philballew | though not sure there | 04:02 |
| philballew | gui's are nice, but its just one more layer that can go wrong. | 04:02 |
| akk | With both guis and the cmdline tools, often there's no indication of failure to associate | 04:03 |
| akk | and the visible failure mode is that it gets in a loop trying to get DHCP. | 04:03 |
| akk | You'd think it would check first whether it was associated, but for some reason network tools often don't. | 04:03 |
| akk | I've learned that any time I see repeated failure to get DHCP, get to a shell and type iwconfig to check. | 04:04 |
| philballew | network logs might show some stuff as well? | 04:05 |
| pleia2 | I've had problems with network manager and the network driver on the laptop I'm on, every time network manager rescans the network it tanks my connection (goes slow or disconnects entirely) | 04:06 |
| pleia2 | it gets fixed in some kernels, then breaks again, the bug report is a tale of toil and sadness | 04:06 |
| pleia2 | so I installed wicd and it's all ok | 04:06 |
| philballew | thats not maintained anymore iirc? | 04:07 |
| pleia2 | not a clue | 04:07 |
| pleia2 | maybe it's "done" so it doesn't need to be maintained :) | 04:07 |
| pleia2 | the package is still in the repos and it works nicely | 04:07 |
| philballew | perfect. Seems like a good plan if it works for you | 04:08 |
| pleia2 | philballew: /var/log/syslog will have details for what it's doing connection-wise with the access point | 04:08 |
| pleia2 | requesting an address, etc | 04:08 |
| philballew | if its dhcp i might just set a static here and see if I can fix it there | 04:09 |
| pleia2 | also might want to check that the DNS server is working ok, and whether you can still ping IP addresses (just not domain names) | 04:09 |
| philballew | route would show the ip's for that | 04:09 |
| pleia2 | hm? | 04:09 |
| philballew | route in bash shows some network info | 04:10 |
| akk | I've had better luck with wicd than networkmanager too. | 04:10 |
| pleia2 | so many DNS servers on wifi networks are broken or just can't handle the load, so I often reset the dns server to 8.8.8.8 when I'm at hotels and things | 04:10 |
| akk | I used to have good luck with /etc/network/interfaces and cmdline tools, but that broke in pangolin. :( | 04:10 |
| philballew | philip@PrincessLeia:~$ route | 04:10 |
| philballew | Kernel IP routing table | 04:10 |
| philballew | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface | 04:10 |
| philballew | default 10.112.117.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 wlan0 | 04:10 |
| philballew | 10.112.117.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 2 0 0 wlan0 | 04:10 |
| philballew | link-local * 255.255.0.0 U 1000 0 0 wlan0 | 04:10 |
| philballew | 192.168.122.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 virbr0 | 04:10 |
| philballew | philip@PrincessLeia:~$ | 04:10 |
| philballew | thats what route is | 04:10 |
| akk | /etc/network/interface doesn't work any more at least for WPA. | 04:10 |
| philballew | yeah akk I noticed that as well | 04:11 |
| pleia2 | philballew: right, that will just show you what address it has assigned :) not why it's being broken/slow or whatnot | 04:11 |
| * philballew hides in shame | 04:11 | |
| philballew | I see now what you mean | 04:11 |
| pleia2 | there are also some ip tools, like: ip route | 04:12 |
| pleia2 | can tell you where it's trying to go out by default | 04:12 |
| akk | On motel wifis with broken DHCP sometimes you can just guess an IP and set it with ifconfig | 04:12 |
| akk | but that's not likely to work on a college net (and of course if you're not associated it wouldn't work anyway). | 04:12 |
| philballew | my school here is trying to switch to ipv6 and are having a bad time | 04:13 |
| philballew | college here uses windows for their dns servers | 04:14 |
| philballew | oddly enough when I use my router in the dorm connected to the cat5 port all runs fine so it makes me think it might just be a wireless problem with them. | 04:15 |
| pleia2 | yeah, seems like | 04:15 |
| akk | That's normal -- wireless is about 10000% more flaky than wired. | 04:16 |
| philballew | I'd ask the school sysadmins but I did just quit and make their work harder | 04:16 |
| philballew | also they just say "why are you running linux?" | 04:16 |
| philballew | I could just cary around a cat5 with me. might look kinda lame, but who cares | 04:17 |
| akk | If you're always somewhere where there's a cat5 port. | 04:18 |
| philballew | the library has them, but not everywhere. might have to do some troubleshooting. | 04:19 |
| jbermudes | philballew: I used to know a guy that always carried some cat5 with him. Whenever the wireless got flakey nobody was laughing at him | 04:43 |
| philballew | jbermudes, i could carry some, then rent it out when wifi goes down. | 04:43 |
| jbermudes | That's the American spirit! | 04:45 |
| toddcnb | I carry--------1 and sit back laughing!!!! :) | 04:45 |
| bkerensa | ;0 | 15:51 |
| philballew | Gareth, did you ever get my email last week? I think the mail servers do not want us talking. | 16:02 |
| Gareth | philballew: I did. haven't had a chance to respond. I'll respond today. | 16:44 |
| philballew | no worries. take your time. Just want to make sure it did not fail on my end. | 16:44 |
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| bkerensa | jeez | 17:56 |
| bkerensa | :s | 17:56 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: so I wonder if Canonical is having a cash crunch? First the Amazon Suggestions to bring more revenue.... Shorter UDS.... Now a donation splash page before people can download Ubuntu | 18:38 |
| bkerensa | ;p | 18:38 |
| pleia2 | sure does seem like it :\ | 18:57 |
| pleia2 | but I don't really know | 18:57 |
| pleia2 | I think the shorter UDS makes sense in general, 5 days is a lot even for us community folks and things really wind down on friday, and that's on top of sprints the prior week for a lot of canonical folks | 18:58 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: jorge just said it didnt save them money really | 19:06 |
| bkerensa | but imho even at group rates for hotel its still going to be like $100 per person for lodging and through in food thats close to the salary of a developer for a year | 19:07 |
| bkerensa | ;p | 19:07 |
| pleia2 | I think $100/person savings is a bit of a drop in the bucket when it comes to full UDS spending (which last I knew was over a million) | 19:07 |
| bkerensa | yeah | 19:07 |
| bkerensa | but 70k is still a developer for a year :P | 19:08 |
| pleia2 | I'm staying the extra day anyway, but I'm covering my hotel for friday night (at least as long as I'm using it, which is like 4AM) | 19:11 |
| bkerensa | :D | 19:12 |
| bkerensa | Well Enjoy Denmark :) | 19:12 |
| bkerensa | I will be remote participating each day | 19:12 |
| pleia2 | I'm sure I will :) | 19:12 |
| bkerensa | philballew: we will tag team | 19:12 |
| bkerensa | :D | 19:12 |
| philballew | gonna probably sleep all afternoon and just be tuned to the screen while doing homework | 19:13 |
| philballew | gonna be interesting to see how much more I can mess up my sleep | 19:13 |
| philballew | schedule | 19:14 |
| pleia2 | philballew: can you take care of post-meeting tasks for our meeting on sunday? :) | 19:15 |
| pleia2 | was short, but we should keep track of it none the less | 19:16 |
| philballew | yeah, should be able to do it. might just do it right after the meeting so I dont forget | 19:16 |
| pleia2 | I mean the one we had on sunday | 19:16 |
| philballew | oh, yeah. I can do that sure | 19:17 |
| pleia2 | thank you \o/ | 19:17 |
| philballew | can do it on weekend probably. Have hw this week | 19:17 |
| philballew | just got out of my Java class. | 19:17 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: you figure out who is publishing? Will they send summary announcements? | 19:19 |
| pleia2 | bkerensa: UWN? | 19:19 |
| pleia2 | akgraner, nhandler and JoseeAntonioR are filling in for me | 19:20 |
| bkerensa | kk | 19:20 |
| philballew | yeah, im working with jose on that I think | 19:20 |
| bkerensa | well hopefully Josee will ping and I can help with summaries | 19:21 |
| pleia2 | they should be doing all coordination in #ubuntu-news like usual :) | 19:22 |
| pleia2 | (the emails are really for folks who don't use IRC) | 19:22 |
| philballew | wait | 19:23 |
| philballew | people dont use IRC? | 19:23 |
| philballew | :) | 19:24 |
| akk | Even folks who use IRC may not be on at the right time. | 19:24 |
| pleia2 | anyone is welcome to be added to the email list, we don't do it without people asking | 19:25 |
| philballew | im setting up a irc client on a always on desktop server currently | 19:25 |
| pleia2 | so if they don't think they'll be on IRC during coordination and want to participate, they should let us know :) | 19:25 |
| philballew | I give away ubuntu cd's to people that add themselves to lists. | 19:25 |
| bkerensa | pleia2: Somehow I have one week to get 30 more people to our Release Party http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-or/1964/detail/ | 19:36 |
| darthrobot` | Title: [Ubuntu 12.10 Release Party | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal] | 19:36 |
| bkerensa | :( only 16 so far | 19:36 |
| philballew | bkerensa, if you fly me up there ill come | 19:38 |
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