[03:56] <philballew> pleia2, Can I ask you a network question?
[03:58] <philballew> or anyone I guess
[03:58] <philballew> What would cause my laptop to connect to my wireless network at school, then though still connected after a few minutes tank and not load anything and not be able to ping anything.
[03:58] <philballew> Wanna figure out why it only does it with them and everywhere else my laptop works fine.
[03:59] <akk> I've had problems with some laptops and some connections where it would drop the connection every few minutes, then (usually) auto-reconnect.
[03:59] <akk> Which isn't an answer, because I've never figured out why -- it's not always on a low signal strength network.
[04:00] <akk> Does iwconfig say you're still associated with the accesspoint?
[04:01] <philballew> not checked. network manager shows that I am
[04:01] <akk> iwconfig is easy enough to run.
[04:02] <philballew> totally will next time it tanks
[04:02] <akk> I've found that often when gui thingies seem to indicate I'm connected, iwconfig says I'm not really associated.
[04:02] <philballew> I think it might be some dhcp thing
[04:02] <philballew> though not sure there
[04:02] <philballew> gui's are nice, but its just one more layer that can go wrong.
[04:03] <akk> With both guis and the cmdline tools, often there's no indication of failure to associate
[04:03] <akk> and the visible failure mode is that it gets in a loop trying to get DHCP.
[04:03] <akk> You'd think it would check first whether it was associated, but for some reason network tools often don't.
[04:04] <akk> I've learned that any time I see repeated failure to get DHCP, get to a shell and type iwconfig to check.
[04:05] <philballew> network logs might show some stuff as well?
[04:06] <pleia2> I've had problems with network manager and the network driver on the laptop I'm on, every time network manager rescans the network it tanks my connection (goes slow or disconnects entirely)
[04:06] <pleia2> it gets fixed in some kernels, then breaks again, the bug report is a tale of toil and sadness
[04:06] <pleia2> so I installed wicd and it's all ok
[04:07] <philballew> thats not maintained anymore iirc?
[04:07] <pleia2> not a clue
[04:07] <pleia2> maybe it's "done" so it doesn't need to be maintained :)
[04:07] <pleia2> the package is still in the repos and it works nicely
[04:08] <philballew> perfect. Seems like a good plan if it works for you
[04:08] <pleia2> philballew: /var/log/syslog will have details for what it's doing connection-wise with the access point
[04:08] <pleia2> requesting an address, etc
[04:09] <philballew> if its dhcp i might just set a static here and see if I can fix it there
[04:09] <pleia2> also might want to check that the DNS server is working ok, and whether you can still ping IP addresses (just not domain names)
[04:09] <philballew> route would show the ip's for that
[04:09] <pleia2> hm?
[04:10] <philballew> route in bash shows some network info
[04:10] <akk> I've had better luck with wicd than networkmanager too.
[04:10] <pleia2> so many DNS servers on wifi networks are broken or just can't handle the load, so I often reset the dns server to 8.8.8.8 when I'm at hotels and things
[04:10] <akk> I used to have good luck with /etc/network/interfaces and cmdline tools, but that broke in pangolin. :(
[04:10] <philballew> philip@PrincessLeia:~$ route
[04:10] <philballew> Kernel IP routing table
[04:10] <philballew> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use Iface
[04:10] <philballew> default         10.112.117.1    0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0 wlan0
[04:10] <philballew> 10.112.117.0    *               255.255.255.0   U     2      0        0 wlan0
[04:10] <philballew> link-local      *               255.255.0.0     U     1000   0        0 wlan0
[04:10] <philballew> 192.168.122.0   *               255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 virbr0
[04:10] <philballew> philip@PrincessLeia:~$
[04:10] <philballew> thats what route is
[04:10] <akk>  /etc/network/interface doesn't work any more at least for WPA.
[04:11] <philballew> yeah akk I noticed that as well
[04:11] <pleia2> philballew: right, that will just show you what address it has assigned :) not why it's being broken/slow or whatnot
[04:11]  * philballew hides in shame
[04:11] <philballew> I see now what you mean
[04:12] <pleia2> there are also some ip tools, like: ip route
[04:12] <pleia2> can tell you where it's trying to go out by default
[04:12] <akk> On motel wifis with broken DHCP sometimes you can just guess an IP and set it with ifconfig
[04:12] <akk> but that's not likely to work on a college net (and of course if you're not associated it wouldn't work anyway).
[04:13] <philballew> my school here is trying to switch to ipv6 and are having a bad time
[04:14] <philballew> college here uses windows for their dns servers
[04:15] <philballew> oddly enough when I use my router in the dorm connected to the cat5 port all runs fine so it makes me think it might just be a wireless problem with them.
[04:15] <pleia2> yeah, seems like
[04:16] <akk> That's normal -- wireless is about 10000% more flaky than wired.
[04:16] <philballew> I'd ask the school sysadmins but I did just quit and make their work harder
[04:16] <philballew> also they just say "why are you running linux?"
[04:17] <philballew> I could just cary around a cat5 with me. might look kinda lame, but who cares
[04:18] <akk> If you're always somewhere where there's a cat5 port.
[04:19] <philballew> the library has them, but not everywhere. might have to do some troubleshooting.
[04:43] <jbermudes> philballew: I used to know a guy that always carried some cat5 with him. Whenever the wireless got flakey nobody was laughing at him
[04:43] <philballew> jbermudes, i could carry some, then rent it out when wifi goes down.
[04:45] <jbermudes> That's the American spirit!
[04:45] <toddcnb> I carry--------1         and sit back laughing!!!! :)
[15:51] <bkerensa> ;0
[16:02] <philballew> Gareth, did you ever get my email last week? I think the mail servers do not want us talking.
[16:44] <Gareth> philballew: I did.  haven't had a chance to respond.  I'll respond today.
[16:44] <philballew> no worries. take your time. Just want to make sure it did not fail on my end.
[17:56] <bkerensa> jeez
[17:56] <bkerensa> :s
[18:38] <bkerensa> pleia2: so I wonder if Canonical is having a cash crunch? First the Amazon Suggestions to bring more revenue.... Shorter UDS.... Now a donation splash page before people can download Ubuntu
[18:38] <bkerensa> ;p
[18:57] <pleia2> sure does seem like it :\
[18:57] <pleia2> but I don't really know
[18:58] <pleia2> I think the shorter UDS makes sense in general, 5 days is a lot even for us community folks and things really wind down on friday, and that's on top of sprints the prior week for a lot of canonical folks
[19:06] <bkerensa> pleia2: jorge just said it didnt save them money really
[19:07] <bkerensa> but imho even at group rates for hotel its still going to be like $100 per person for lodging and through in food thats close to the salary of a developer for a year
[19:07] <bkerensa> ;p
[19:07] <pleia2> I think $100/person savings is a bit of a drop in the bucket when it comes to full UDS spending (which last I knew was over a million)
[19:07] <bkerensa> yeah
[19:08] <bkerensa> but 70k is still a developer for a year :P
[19:11] <pleia2> I'm staying the extra day anyway, but I'm covering my hotel for friday night (at least as long as I'm using it, which is like 4AM)
[19:12] <bkerensa> :D
[19:12] <bkerensa> Well Enjoy Denmark :)
[19:12] <bkerensa> I will be remote participating each day
[19:12] <pleia2> I'm sure I will :)
[19:12] <bkerensa> philballew: we will tag team
[19:12] <bkerensa> :D
[19:13] <philballew> gonna probably sleep all afternoon and just be tuned to the screen while doing homework
[19:13] <philballew> gonna be interesting to see how much more I can mess up my sleep
[19:14] <philballew> schedule
[19:15] <pleia2> philballew: can you take care of post-meeting tasks for our meeting on sunday? :)
[19:16] <pleia2> was short, but we should keep track of it none the less
[19:16] <philballew> yeah, should be able to do it. might just do it right after the meeting so I dont forget
[19:16] <pleia2> I mean the one we had on sunday
[19:17] <philballew> oh, yeah. I can do that sure
[19:17] <pleia2> thank you \o/
[19:17] <philballew> can do it on weekend probably. Have hw this week
[19:17] <philballew> just got out of my Java class.
[19:19] <bkerensa> pleia2: you figure out who is publishing? Will they send summary announcements?
[19:19] <pleia2> bkerensa: UWN?
[19:20] <pleia2> akgraner, nhandler and JoseeAntonioR are filling in for me
[19:20] <bkerensa> kk
[19:20] <philballew> yeah, im working with jose on that I think
[19:21] <bkerensa> well hopefully Josee will ping and I can help with summaries
[19:22] <pleia2> they should be doing all coordination in #ubuntu-news like usual :)
[19:22] <pleia2> (the emails are really for folks who don't use IRC)
[19:23] <philballew> wait
[19:23] <philballew> people dont use IRC?
[19:24] <philballew> :)
[19:24] <akk> Even folks who use IRC may not be on at the right time.
[19:25] <pleia2> anyone is welcome to be added to the email list, we don't do it without people asking
[19:25] <philballew> im setting up a irc client on a always on desktop server currently
[19:25] <pleia2> so if they don't think they'll be on IRC during coordination and want to participate, they should let us know :)
[19:25] <philballew> I give away ubuntu cd's to people that add themselves to lists.
[19:36] <bkerensa> pleia2: Somehow I have one week to get 30 more people to our Release Party http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-us-or/1964/detail/
[19:36] <darthrobot`> Title: [Ubuntu 12.10 Release Party | Ubuntu LoCo Team Portal]
[19:36] <bkerensa> :( only 16 so far
[19:38] <philballew> bkerensa, if you fly me up there ill come