[03:56] pleia2, Can I ask you a network question? [03:58] or anyone I guess [03:58] What would cause my laptop to connect to my wireless network at school, then though still connected after a few minutes tank and not load anything and not be able to ping anything. [03:58] Wanna figure out why it only does it with them and everywhere else my laptop works fine. [03:59] I've had problems with some laptops and some connections where it would drop the connection every few minutes, then (usually) auto-reconnect. [03:59] Which isn't an answer, because I've never figured out why -- it's not always on a low signal strength network. [04:00] Does iwconfig say you're still associated with the accesspoint? [04:01] not checked. network manager shows that I am [04:01] iwconfig is easy enough to run. [04:02] totally will next time it tanks [04:02] I've found that often when gui thingies seem to indicate I'm connected, iwconfig says I'm not really associated. [04:02] I think it might be some dhcp thing [04:02] though not sure there [04:02] gui's are nice, but its just one more layer that can go wrong. [04:03] With both guis and the cmdline tools, often there's no indication of failure to associate [04:03] and the visible failure mode is that it gets in a loop trying to get DHCP. [04:03] You'd think it would check first whether it was associated, but for some reason network tools often don't. [04:04] I've learned that any time I see repeated failure to get DHCP, get to a shell and type iwconfig to check. [04:05] network logs might show some stuff as well? [04:06] I've had problems with network manager and the network driver on the laptop I'm on, every time network manager rescans the network it tanks my connection (goes slow or disconnects entirely) [04:06] it gets fixed in some kernels, then breaks again, the bug report is a tale of toil and sadness [04:06] so I installed wicd and it's all ok [04:07] thats not maintained anymore iirc? [04:07] not a clue [04:07] maybe it's "done" so it doesn't need to be maintained :) [04:07] the package is still in the repos and it works nicely [04:08] perfect. Seems like a good plan if it works for you [04:08] philballew: /var/log/syslog will have details for what it's doing connection-wise with the access point [04:08] requesting an address, etc [04:09] if its dhcp i might just set a static here and see if I can fix it there [04:09] also might want to check that the DNS server is working ok, and whether you can still ping IP addresses (just not domain names) [04:09] route would show the ip's for that [04:09] hm? [04:10] route in bash shows some network info [04:10] I've had better luck with wicd than networkmanager too. [04:10] so many DNS servers on wifi networks are broken or just can't handle the load, so I often reset the dns server to 8.8.8.8 when I'm at hotels and things [04:10] I used to have good luck with /etc/network/interfaces and cmdline tools, but that broke in pangolin. :( [04:10] philip@PrincessLeia:~$ route [04:10] Kernel IP routing table [04:10] Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface [04:10] default 10.112.117.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 wlan0 [04:10] 10.112.117.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 2 0 0 wlan0 [04:10] link-local * 255.255.0.0 U 1000 0 0 wlan0 [04:10] 192.168.122.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 virbr0 [04:10] philip@PrincessLeia:~$ [04:10] thats what route is [04:10] /etc/network/interface doesn't work any more at least for WPA. [04:11] yeah akk I noticed that as well [04:11] philballew: right, that will just show you what address it has assigned :) not why it's being broken/slow or whatnot [04:11] * philballew hides in shame [04:11] I see now what you mean [04:12] there are also some ip tools, like: ip route [04:12] can tell you where it's trying to go out by default [04:12] On motel wifis with broken DHCP sometimes you can just guess an IP and set it with ifconfig [04:12] but that's not likely to work on a college net (and of course if you're not associated it wouldn't work anyway). [04:13] my school here is trying to switch to ipv6 and are having a bad time [04:14] college here uses windows for their dns servers [04:15] oddly enough when I use my router in the dorm connected to the cat5 port all runs fine so it makes me think it might just be a wireless problem with them. [04:15] yeah, seems like [04:16] That's normal -- wireless is about 10000% more flaky than wired. [04:16] I'd ask the school sysadmins but I did just quit and make their work harder [04:16] also they just say "why are you running linux?" [04:17] I could just cary around a cat5 with me. might look kinda lame, but who cares [04:18] If you're always somewhere where there's a cat5 port. [04:19] the library has them, but not everywhere. might have to do some troubleshooting. [04:43] philballew: I used to know a guy that always carried some cat5 with him. Whenever the wireless got flakey nobody was laughing at him [04:43] jbermudes, i could carry some, then rent it out when wifi goes down. [04:45] That's the American spirit! [04:45] I carry--------1 and sit back laughing!!!! :) [15:51] ;0 [16:02] Gareth, did you ever get my email last week? I think the mail servers do not want us talking. [16:44] philballew: I did. haven't had a chance to respond. I'll respond today. [16:44] no worries. take your time. Just want to make sure it did not fail on my end. === greg is now known as greg-g [17:56] jeez [17:56] :s [18:38] pleia2: so I wonder if Canonical is having a cash crunch? First the Amazon Suggestions to bring more revenue.... Shorter UDS.... Now a donation splash page before people can download Ubuntu [18:38] ;p [18:57] sure does seem like it :\ [18:57] but I don't really know [18:58] I think the shorter UDS makes sense in general, 5 days is a lot even for us community folks and things really wind down on friday, and that's on top of sprints the prior week for a lot of canonical folks [19:06] pleia2: jorge just said it didnt save them money really [19:07] but imho even at group rates for hotel its still going to be like $100 per person for lodging and through in food thats close to the salary of a developer for a year [19:07] ;p [19:07] I think $100/person savings is a bit of a drop in the bucket when it comes to full UDS spending (which last I knew was over a million) [19:07] yeah [19:08] but 70k is still a developer for a year :P [19:11] I'm staying the extra day anyway, but I'm covering my hotel for friday night (at least as long as I'm using it, which is like 4AM) [19:12] :D [19:12] Well Enjoy Denmark :) [19:12] I will be remote participating each day [19:12] I'm sure I will :) [19:12] philballew: we will tag team [19:12] :D [19:13] gonna probably sleep all afternoon and just be tuned to the screen while doing homework [19:13] gonna be interesting to see how much more I can mess up my sleep [19:14] schedule [19:15] philballew: can you take care of post-meeting tasks for our meeting on sunday? :) [19:16] was short, but we should keep track of it none the less [19:16] yeah, should be able to do it. might just do it right after the meeting so I dont forget [19:16] I mean the one we had on sunday [19:17] oh, yeah. I can do that sure [19:17] thank you \o/ [19:17] can do it on weekend probably. Have hw this week [19:17] just got out of my Java class. [19:19] pleia2: you figure out who is publishing? Will they send summary announcements? [19:19] bkerensa: UWN? [19:20] akgraner, nhandler and JoseeAntonioR are filling in for me [19:20] kk [19:20] yeah, im working with jose on that I think [19:21] well hopefully Josee will ping and I can help with summaries [19:22] they should be doing all coordination in #ubuntu-news like usual :) [19:22] (the emails are really for folks who don't use IRC) [19:23] wait [19:23] people dont use IRC? [19:24] :) [19:24] Even folks who use IRC may not be on at the right time. [19:25] anyone is welcome to be added to the email list, we don't do it without people asking [19:25] im setting up a irc client on a always on desktop server currently [19:25] so if they don't think they'll be on IRC during coordination and want to participate, they should let us know :) [19:25] I give away ubuntu cd's to people that add themselves to lists. 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