[02:24] <oda> http://youtu.be/_eMb_kh_glw
[16:47] <skellat> So, what sort of cake should I bake for the Quantal Quetzal release party
[16:47] <skellat> ?
[16:49] <Unit193> skellat: Wonder, you use apt-offline much?
[16:50] <skellat> Unit193: Yes
[16:50] <Unit193> Wondered how much of a use case it had/has.
[16:50] <skellat> Unit193: Well, since there are no alternate installer discs available now it lets you update machines that have low to no connectivity
[16:51] <skellat> Previously the alternate installer disc would have served as a partial repository to allow for that
[16:52] <skellat> Now that those aren't being maintained, tools like apt-zip and apt-offline are it.  Considering how Time Warner Cable kills the broadband here in Ashtabula Township as frequently as they do...especially since their office is within very short walking distance...
[16:52] <Unit193> And with synaptic being gone as well...
[16:53] <skellat> Synaptic allowed for building a package download script which I usually did a find/replace in to swap out the wget's for aria2c's
[16:53] <skellat> So, yeah, apt-offline has a place
[16:54] <skellat> Broadband overall may be getting universal quantitatively but in terms of quality it is not a level playing field
[16:55] <skellat> The FCC's last broadband deployment report says that much with pretty graphs and way more text
[16:56] <paultag> soon, for those of you with raspberry pis, I might get around to implementing a raspi image that can mirror the debian archive on the fly, so long as it's hooked up to a hard-drive
[16:56] <Unit193> I noted the bit about synaptic and apt-offline, but think it was a bit late in the cycle.  Hopefully for 13.04.
[16:56] <paultag> then using mirror://, use that when it's around
[16:56] <paultag> apt-offline is a bit of a hack
[16:56] <paultag> apt-mirror is nice
[16:56] <paultag> p.s. synaptic is in the repos
[16:56] <skellat> paultag: Hack it may be, but it works
[16:57] <paultag> so does apt-mirror :)
[16:57] <dzho> so, what's the whole process with apt-offline?
[16:57]  * dzho finds http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Offline_Package_Management_for_APT and now is looking at it
[16:58] <paultag> there's also some apt-proxy thing
[16:58] <paultag> which is cool too
[16:58] <dzho> ah, a signature file
[16:59]  * dzho uses approx
[16:59] <dzho> which is a server-side thing, rather than client side
[16:59] <skellat> paultag: I'm still wading through about 40 ISOC messages about the wonderful upcoming International Telecommunications Union meeting that does not bode will for the Internet overall
[16:59] <paultag> interesting. anthing big?
[17:00] <dzho> maybe they'll have as much luck with these "death of Internet predicted, details on our news report at 11" stuff as they did with the OSI model.
[17:01] <skellat> Lots of gloom and doom over Internet traffic handling and how the Europeans are proposing to go to Sending Party Pays to soak Google for lots and lots of cash as well as probably Akamai and other CDNs
[17:01] <dzho> which means that it will never work
[17:02] <skellat> Vint Cerf is even chiming in on the thread
[17:03] <skellat> Here's a snippet from somebody other than Vint Cerf
[17:03] <skellat> "The  LDC's (whether it is governments or the local telco's) have to bare  costs for the delivery of information and get little (no?) revenues in  return either from the companies gaining the revenue from supplying the  information or from the companies selling the devices that are  accessing/using the information"
[17:04] <skellat> It seems that the whole thing is being regarded as a zero-sum game economically
[17:05] <dzho> the LDC's might want to look into charging what they need to in order to provide the service they do
[17:06] <dzho> it's like they want to be in every other freakin' business in the world except the one they are in
[17:06] <skellat> That's the main root to it all.  Sucking money out of Google and other CDNs for flushing so much traffic down the tubes
[17:06] <dzho> it's a shakedown, basically
[17:06] <dzho> "oh, you guys are making lots of money.  we want some of that"
[17:07] <skellat> Yup.
[17:07] <skellat> So, back to my original question...what sort of cake should I bake for the Quantal Quetzal release party?  Should I just "be creative"?
[17:07] <paultag> ugh, I've spent too much money in the last few days, I need to stop this crap
[17:07] <dzho> this just in: road crews begin demanding a cut for delivering iPhones to Best Buy
[17:08] <dzho> skellat: not cake.  pie.
[17:08] <dzho> blackbird pie
[17:08] <skellat> Hmm
[17:08] <skellat> paultag: What's the problem with too much cash outflow?
[17:09] <paultag> skellat: I need to pay for stuff like food
[17:09] <dzho> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sing_a_Song_of_Sixpence
[17:09] <paultag> you know
[17:09] <paultag> and to live
[17:09] <skellat> paultag: Ah.  Those kinds of issues.
[17:10] <dzho> too many toys?
[17:10] <paultag> yah, dumb moves
[17:10] <paultag> I got a dock for my laptop last night (which I would *like*, but it was a bit of a waste of money)
[17:10] <dzho> I've been having a Nexus 7 itch
[17:11] <paultag> I can't stand plugging shit in and out and in and out.
[17:11] <paultag> oh man, yeah, really
[17:11] <dzho> thing that gets me is no uSD slot
[17:11] <paultag> none of them do, anymoe
[17:11] <paultag> anymore*
[17:11] <dzho> yeah, some of them still do
[17:11] <paultag> well, android 4.1+ don't support it
[17:11] <dzho> ouch
[17:11] <dzho> man, screw Google
[17:12] <paultag> they have a new protocol that works to allow access
[17:12] <paultag> but they ditched multi-parition cardsd
[17:12] <paultag> cards
[17:12] <dzho> gar
[17:12] <paultag> so it's no longer safe to do that sorta thing
[17:12] <paultag> yar
[17:14] <dzho> given that I still use a froyo device, I suppose I ought to snag something ICS and then just run with that
[17:14]  * dzho curses
[17:15] <skellat> Well, I gotta bounce...I have KP duty and the dirty dishes are above the edge of the sink rim.  I'll try to be back later today guys.
[17:16] <dzho> READ_EXTERNAL_STORAGE permission. This is a new permission that will be required in a future release for apps that want to read the contents of the SD card. Up to now, anybody could read the SD card. It's not enforced in JellyBean unless you turn on a special developer option. Google strongly encourages all developers that read from the SD card to include this permission now.
[17:18] <dzho> http://iamafanof.wordpress.com/2012/07/21/booting-android-jelly-bean-4-1-from-sdcard-for-nook-tablet/
[17:20] <paultag> hahaha, oh this is great - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZxs09eV-Vc
[17:20] <paultag> <political advertisement />
[17:22] <paultag> Obama's starting to use Big Bird in ads, pissing off PBS
[18:18] <canthus13> Well, they're totally misrepresenting what Romney said about big bird and PBS.  not to mention that only 12% of PBS's operating income comes from the federal government.
[18:18] <paultag> yep.
[18:18] <paultag> but the killer is PBS' funding isn't even a percent of fed. funding
[18:18] <paultag> in fact, pbs, npr, and all other line-items that'd get cut just barely make 1%
[18:18] <paultag> just barely
[18:19] <canthus13> Oh, I agree. fixing medicaid/medicare fraud would do much, much more.
[18:19] <paultag> aye
[18:19] <paultag> a lot of things would
[18:26]  * canthus13 doesn't like either candidate.. just dislikes Romney less. :/
[18:27] <canthus13> ...but that's the way most elections go for me. Vote for the candidate I have the least amount of dislike for.
[19:13] <dzho> canthus13: so, no Gary Johnson for you, then?
[19:15] <yano> don't forget about Jill Stein!
[19:15] <dzho> heh
[19:16]  * dzho guesses canthus13 would swing closer to Johnson than Stein
[19:16] <dzho> but maybe I'll go Stein, since I'm not in a swing state
[19:16] <yano> http://isidewith.com/ is pretty interesting. i was surprised at who i sided with.
[19:20]  * canthus13 has no interest in voting for people who can't possibly win.  If they can't get on the ballot in every state, it's a wasted vote.
[19:53] <canthus13> yano: ...the pulsating heads at the end were creepy.
[19:56] <canthus13> I apparently match romney best, then Johnson.
[19:56] <canthus13> Stein is second to last at 44%.
[21:10] <paultag> http://www.zdnet.com/ubuntu-linux-donationware-7000005497/
[21:10] <paultag> I feel cheep and used.
[21:29] <canthus13> Meh. It's just a new variation on the usual panhandling that accompanies larger free projects.
[22:50] <dzho> well, there are the non-profit free projects
[22:50] <dzho> this isn't one of them
[23:17] <dzho> > Canonical will not be using the money for any Canonical business-orientated functions
[23:17] <dzho> well, ok
[23:17] <dzho> although "orientated" is one of those abominations amongst words
[23:22] <Cheri703> dzho: http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-ori1.htm
[23:22] <Cheri703> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/orientated