[05:31] <inetpro> good morning
[05:56] <Kilos> good morning guys
[06:09] <Kilos> hi Tonberry 
[06:09] <Kilos> oh
[06:09] <Kilos> too early
[06:12] <Kilos> wbb
[06:30] <DigiGram> maaz, coffee on
[06:30]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[06:34] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for DigiGram!
[06:37] <DigiGram> Maaz, bot cookie for you
[06:37] <Maaz> DigiGram: Huh?
[06:38] <Kilos> hi DigiGram 
[06:38] <DigiGram> hi Kilos
[06:41] <inetpro> Kilos: ^^
[06:42] <Kilos> hi inetpro  for twitter
[06:42] <inetpro> now you must speak to nuvolari to lead the meeting again
[06:42] <Kilos> ok will do
[06:42] <inetpro> I set up the Agenda and all...
[06:43] <Kilos> good man
[06:44] <inetpro> Kilos: BTW, wb and good morning
[06:45] <inetpro> did you get a few drops yet?
[06:45] <Kilos> lol ty 
[06:45] <Kilos> 3
[06:45] <inetpro> you see I told you it's coming
[06:45] <Kilos> we need 300mm not 3
[06:46] <inetpro> ai!
[06:46] <inetpro> ondankbaar
[06:46] <inetpro> say thank you before you can get more
[06:47] <Kilos> haha ek het man. im thankful for every drop
[06:47] <inetpro> ahh ok :-)
[06:47] <inetpro> ek maak net seker 
[06:47] <Kilos> hehe
[06:48] <Kilos> you should type out what i must tweet man
[06:49] <Kilos> my fingers are old
[06:49] <inetpro> ai
[06:49] <Kilos> and where is sflr
[06:49] <Kilos> maybe the fly knows
[06:50] <Kilos> i wonder what happened about the UH they were planning to have
[06:53] <inetpro> Next #ubuntu-za meeting on Monday, 15 October at 19:30 SAST. Agenda: http://bit.ly/SKJR0j 
[06:53] <inetpro> Kilos: ^^
[06:53] <Kilos> too late
[06:54] <inetpro> ai
[06:54] <inetpro> np
[06:54] <Kilos> lol
[06:55] <inetpro> Kilos: stuur daai ^^ met reminder vooraan so by Donderdag of Vrydag
[06:55] <Kilos> ok sal save iewers
[06:55]  * inetpro goes back to work some more
[06:56] <Kilos> maybe we need a bit to help peeps get to #ubuntu-za
[06:57] <Kilos> looks like only us few know about quassel and xchat
[06:58] <DigiGram> We started using Hexchat on Campus yesterday when our internal chat server collapsed
[06:59] <Kilos> well where theres a will theres a way
[06:59] <Kilos> but some peeps prefer doing things via mailing lists
[06:59] <Kilos> fools
[06:59] <DigiGram> for me thats to old
[07:03] <Kilos> i dont understand their way of thinking. this is so much better than waiting for replies via email
[07:04] <DigiGram> for some stuff I actually prefer forums to get the best answer for something where you can wait for a while. But for instant answers or giving instant answers to people, this is best
[07:04] <Kilos> inetpro, is there a force quit for kde?
[07:05] <DigiGram> to restart KDE?
[07:05] <Kilos> no to kill a package thats stuck while installing from synaptic
[07:05] <DigiGram> oh
[07:06] <DigiGram> doesn't it maybe get stuck because its waiting for user interaction?
[07:06] <Kilos> nope it tells me please wait
[07:06] <DigiGram> in synaptic click on the more details or something button (on the downloading/installing screen)
[07:06] <DigiGram> oh, okay, thats not it then
[07:07] <Kilos> 30 mins to install a firewall is not good
[07:07] <Kilos> i cant even close synaptic
[07:08] <DigiGram> alt gr + print scrn + K will kill X and restart that. or you can use xkill -9 with the pid of synaptic
[07:09] <Kilos> other flavours have a package called forcequit
[07:09] <Kilos> works well
[07:10] <Kilos> cant find it in kde though
[07:10] <DigiGram> havent tried stuff like that
[07:10] <DigiGram> I always use $ps ax | grep synaptic
[07:11] <DigiGram> to get the PID
[07:11] <DigiGram> then $xkill -9 12345 (where 12345 is the PID)
[07:11] <DigiGram> might be just kill -9 and not xkill, can't remember
[07:11] <Kilos> im lost there
[07:12] <DigiGram> open your terminal and type
[07:12] <DigiGram> ps ax | grep synaptic
[07:12] <DigiGram> what values do you get?
[07:12] <Kilos> forcequit is an icon you get on a panel and then tick it and tick what you wanna kill
[07:13] <Kilos> lotsa stuff
[07:13] <DigiGram> ah okay. I had one just like that on KDE, but I set it up wrong, so upon startup it activated and I had to kill at least one window before I could go on with my work lol
[07:14] <Kilos> lol
[07:14] <inetpro> Kilos: I can't remember
[07:14] <Kilos> it popped a setup window but im not ready to setup yet need to find out more first
[07:15]  * inetpro has not needed to forcefully kill an app on kde for a long time
[07:15] <Kilos> now thats missing in action
[07:15] <Kilos> it seems to be waiting for me to setup
[07:16] <inetpro> what I do use sometimes is the System Activity application (by simply pressing Ctrl+Esc)
[07:16] <Kilos> ah will try that
[07:16] <inetpro> that is like top or htop on the cli
[07:17] <Kilos> whew too much in there
[07:17] <inetpro> makes it easy to identify problems
[07:18] <Kilos> seems like it cant configure till i go through the setup stuff
[07:19] <Kilos> superfly, morning, you busy?
[07:20] <Kilos> i dunno what to tell arno in each step
[07:21] <Kilos> aw setup window gone again
[07:21] <Kilos> grrr
[07:21] <SmilyBorg_w> Hey all
[07:21] <Kilos> hi SmilyBorg you been scarce
[07:22] <SmilyBorg> Yeah, been rather busy so been staying off IRC for a while
[07:22] <Kilos> irc isnt work
[07:22] <SmilyBorg> its a bit distracting though
[07:23] <Kilos> lol yeah
[07:23] <superfly> hi Kilos, rather busy at the moment
[07:23] <SmilyBorg> email is even distracting for me. I have this weird OCD thing where I can't have any unread messages in my inbox
[07:24] <Kilos> ty superfly np
[07:24] <Kilos> its missing anyway
[07:24] <inetpro> SmilyBorg: OCD thing?
[07:24] <SmilyBorg> obsessive compulsive
[07:25] <inetpro> ahh :-)
[07:26] <SmilyBorg> so... anyone else running 12.10 beta?
[07:27] <superfly> yup, me
[07:28] <SmilyBorg> how are you finding it? lots of little crashes?
[07:28] <SmilyBorg> been running on my laptop since just before software freedom day and on one of my desktops since beta 2 came out
[07:28] <superfly> Nope. All is good, but then I'm using KDE :-D
[07:29] <SmilyBorg> aah. I see little crashes in colord and some gnome calendar thing, but nothing that actually affects me doing anything
[07:30] <superfly> Biggest improvement for me is no more buggy nVidia drivers!
[07:30] <SmilyBorg> been using unity on my laptop and I'm surprised how responsive it is. I used to have to use the 2D/classic gnome thing  in 12.04 since AMD/ATI dropped support for my video card
[07:30] <superfly> I don't have to download the drivers from the nVidia site anymore
[07:30] <SmilyBorg> oh? you sing the opensource or closed nVidia drivers?
[07:30] <SmilyBorg> cool
[07:31] <SmilyBorg> my work and home desktops have nVidia cards and I've never had any issues 
[07:34] <SmilyBorg> anyway, trying to get a mirror setup for 12.10 to take along to our Durban release party thing
[07:34] <SmilyBorg> yay for bandwidth at work
[07:35] <DigiGram> I love the bandwidth at work :)
[07:36] <DigiGram> I can't use the full speed since I only have a 100Mb/s hub before me, but others get better speed
[07:36] <DigiGram> mine, uncapped at: http://www.speedtest.net/result/2120673249.png
[07:36] <SmilyBorg> its only a 4Mbit mweb uncapped thing, but its better than my 1Mbit at home and the work line is unused in the evenings at the moment since the bosses are in Australia for 2 weeks
[07:37] <SmilyBorg> dude, not fair
[07:38] <DigiGram> and we are on the TENET ring, so any file hosted by TENET gets delivered to you at the network max
[07:41]  * SmilyBorg nods
[07:41] <SmilyBorg> wouldnt mind getting a connection into that
[07:41] <DigiGram> its lovely
[07:41] <DigiGram> to bad I'm leaving it behinf
[07:41] <DigiGram> *behind
[07:48]  * superfly just "upgraded" to 10Mbps at home
[07:48] <superfly> Though apparently my ADSL is syncing at 7
[07:49] <Kilos> whew
[07:50] <SmilyBorg> I must check up on mine. aparently the line should have gone up to 2Mbit, though I'm still on a 1Mbit uncapped thing
[07:51] <DigiGram> Telkom is in the process of bumping those up
[07:51] <DigiGram> mybroadband said when it would be done, can't remember
[07:52] <SmilyBorg> 1->2Mbit was supposed to be done last month and finnishing off this month. 384k->1M is this month and next
[07:52] <DigiGram> ah okay
[07:54] <superfly> Line speed at work today is not too bad, 6.9Mbps
[07:56] <Kilos> quicky superfly internal network interface, do i enter pc2's ip addy there?
[07:57] <superfly> Kilos: which PC are you on?
[07:58] <Kilos> pc1
[07:58] <Kilos> kde
[07:58] <superfly> Kilos: no, that would be PC1's network card
[07:59] <Kilos> oh my thats a mb thing
[07:59] <superfly> Kilos: eth0, or whatever your network card's name is
[08:01] <Kilos> ah that i can find with nm
[08:02] <Kilos> Wired connection 1
[08:02] <Kilos> didnt do eth0 this time i dunno why
[08:52] <magespawn> good morning all
[08:58] <magespawn> DigiGram: just had a look at your speed png and thought "That is not so fast" then realised that is was in mb, lol
[09:06] <tonberryE352> that ping time...
[09:06] <DigiGram> hehe yeah magespawn
[09:06] <tonberryE352> The download rate i can beat
[09:07] <tonberryE352> but something adds a bunch of latency to this network
[09:08] <DigiGram> my download rate is because of the hub before my pc, will try to get a speedtest from someone on a faster hub
[09:08] <tonberryE352> for some reason upload here wont go above 50MBit
[09:08] <tonberryE352> oh well
[09:09] <magespawn> think that is fast enough
[09:09] <tonberryE352> not like anything besides tenet can sustain that to me anyway
[09:09] <magespawn> the rest of us are stilll working kb
[09:09] <tonberryE352> at 5c/mb it basically means i get bankrupt faster....
[09:10] <DigiGram> precicely, I download at about 1MB/s or slower since moest sites are slow
[09:10] <tonberryE352> R1.5/s
[09:11] <DigiGram> uncapped for me :)
[09:12] <DigiGram> okay, guy a building from me has this, slower ping though: http://speedtest.net/result/2230125979.png
[09:13] <DigiGram> we use the same cache server, but are on different end-hubs obviously
[09:13] <tonberryE352> caching should make no difference to speedtest
[09:14] <DigiGram> yeah, but what I mean is we use the same internet connection
[09:16] <magespawn> i think i need to get a job at a university
[09:16] <magespawn> they seem to have some of the best internet in south africa
[09:17] <DigiGram> yes we do magespawn
[09:17] <DigiGram> I thought the speeds will crumble when the introduced uncapped to the students at R950 per year, and free to personell, but I was wrong
[09:18] <magespawn> that is insane
[09:19] <tonberryE352> i predict that if they give us uncapped here that the first month or so will be hell on the network
[09:19] <magespawn> at thtat price it covers about 2.5 months for me
[09:19] <tonberryE352> and after that everyone has all the massive stuff they want
[09:20] <DigiGram> it's hell yeah, but currently we have 5 very good connections to the TENET ring, we pay Telkom a lot for those I hear
[09:20] <tonberryE352> 5?
[09:20] <tonberryE352> wow
[09:20] <magespawn> i would say goodbye to tv
[09:21] <DigiGram> I knew about 4, but they introduced a new cache server, so I presume it's a new connection as well
[09:21] <DigiGram> TV? whats that ;)
[09:21] <tonberryE352> why bother with caching if you have that kind of bandwidth?
[09:22] <DigiGram> Well, from what I hear, the caching is making our browsing slower
[09:22] <magespawn> indeed
[09:22] <tonberryE352> i would suspect so
[09:23] <DigiGram> you can download a ubuntu cd in a couple of seconds (thank you TENET), but try to access FaceFlop. Takes a minute or so to load
[09:23] <magespawn> you want to expand the it dep or the it studies show ppl what you can do with that sort of speed
[09:24] <magespawn> most ppl are not aware of what is out there on the net
[09:24] <magespawn> FaceFlop is probable restricted
[09:25] <magespawn> ironic considering where it is supposed to have started
[09:25] <DigiGram> nope, they lifted the restriction, but it has to do with the amount of stuff that needs to be downloaded
[09:27] <magespawn> but it does not take that long for me
[09:27] <DigiGram> because you don't have to run around in our cache servers to look for each and every file to see if it is in there already.
[09:32] <magespawn> ahh so the cache actually slows down load time in certain cases
[09:33] <DigiGram> yes, since our cache is VERY large (about 10'000 users, luckily not all at once)
[09:33] <magespawn> would there be a way for you tell it to not use the cache
[09:34] <DigiGram> for an end user like me we must connect to the cache server where squid helps you to the internet
[09:37] <magespawn> i was thinking of having something like that here at my shop, i do not think i would have the problem of 10,000 users though
[09:38] <DigiGram> hehe
[09:38] <DigiGram> squid plays nice once you get it configures
[09:39] <magespawn> am working on having a town wide wifi network though so good to know
[09:40] <DigiGram> town wide sucj as the one in Stellenbosch?
[09:43] <magespawn> yup but not that big Hluhluwe is a lot smaller
[09:43] <DigiGram> would be nice
[09:45] <magespawn> and mine will not be free unfortunately
[09:46] <DigiGram> you must just get by the ISP's for reselling their internet
[09:46] <magespawn> there are a few options there, still working out the details
[09:48] <DigiGram> In Parys we had a guy that split his telkom ADSL to about 15 houses in his block, without asking permission. hehe
[09:55] <magespawn> and what happened?
[09:56] <DigiGram> I hear they lauched it off and asked him to stop. It was in the early days of ADSL, so I don't know what speeds the households actually had
[09:56] <magespawn> i wonder what the rules are regarding that
[09:57] <DigiGram> its forbidden
[09:57] <DigiGram> by ICASA as far as I know
[09:57] <DigiGram> anybody here that knows PyQt?
[10:16] <not_found> any python guru's here... ?
[10:17] <DigiGram> depends on the level you need hehe
[10:17] <not_found> just a simple maths issue DigiGram 
[10:18] <DigiGram> I can try to help
[10:18] <not_found> doing a coursera programming fundementals course and keep getting an error with one of my definitions... works with the examples but when they grade I get an error and I can't figure out why?!
[10:18] <magespawn> superfly but he might be busy
[10:19] <not_found> http://pastebin.com/5VXWp7AS
[10:19] <not_found> this is the simple definition I have to make ...
[10:19] <not_found> I just added the return line, the rest was already given
[10:21] <not_found> thanks magespawn 
[10:21] <not_found> not important enough really
[10:21] <not_found> just annoying
[10:26] <DigiGram> sorry was busy quickly
[10:27] <magespawn> Digigram I have to apply for a licence to operate a commercial hot spot, have all the forms from ICASA
[10:27] <DigiGram> cool magespawn 
[10:28] <DigiGram> do they give you any reason for the error?
[10:28] <superfly> DigiGram: show me the money... I mean, the code
[10:28] <DigiGram> and for the example, did you use their interpreter or yours?
[10:29] <not_found> http://pastebin.com/9Df7siyz
[10:29] <superfly> not_found: why are you rounding?
[10:29] <not_found> this is the only error I get
[10:29] <DigiGram> superfly I needed to send stuff to a printer from python, but it seems as if qprinter will be my friend
[10:29] <not_found> superfly, look at the examples they have added, they want it with one decimal ?!
[10:30]  * not_found could try removing the rounding and re-submit and see
[10:30] <superfly> not_found: What happens when time_1 is slightly smaller than time_2?
[10:30] <superfly> (as per their results)
[10:31] <not_found> -0.0
[10:31] <not_found> could it be the - perhaps?
[10:32] <superfly> probably
[10:33] <not_found> err... now I wonder how to stop that from happening except for testing for 0.0 and changing it... which I doubt is what they want
[10:33] <not_found> thx for the tip, I will wait for reply on the forum
[10:34] <superfly> http://codepad.org/ps9eYIhT
[10:34] <DigiGram> I don't think so, to much of the other cases failed without the -0.0 problem
[10:35] <superfly> not_found: doesn't tell us why the other ones failed
[10:35] <not_found> true
[10:36] <superfly> not_found: how long is the turnaround time from submitting to getting results?
[10:36] <not_found> 30 seconds... 
[10:36] <not_found> not sure how many submittions before it won't work anymore
[10:38] <not_found> Don't waste to much brain power on this one.  The purpose is to start writing defenitions etc... not so much figuring out why our math doesn't align :)
[10:39] <not_found> superfly, removed the rounding and got full marks
[10:39] <not_found> well 50% as I submitted a day late :'(
[10:39] <superfly> :-(
[10:39] <not_found> thanks superfly DigiGram etc. for assisting
[10:39] <not_found> I thought I had two weeks
[10:39] <DigiGram> plesure
[10:40] <DigiGram> I liked the coursera stuff, but only completed my udacity courses
[10:40] <not_found> was 90% complete last week already and postponed until today... very pee'd with myself at the momenmt
[10:41] <not_found> and no, playing so much games isn't to blame... oh wait... might be >.<
[10:43] <DigiGram> hehe
[10:45] <not_found> cheers guys... will be back later
[10:45] <DigiGram> cheers
[10:49] <magespawn> DigiGram: have found that most of the ISP do not mind what youdo with their product but you have to have ICASA licences
[10:51] <DigiGram> okay, I thought both ICASA and ISP would mind
[10:56] <magespawn> so did I  but there we go
[11:01] <magespawn> superfly where do you most of your programming? 
[11:01] <superfly> magespawn: as in programming language, or as in company?
[11:01] <magespawn> no as in IDE or text editor etc?
[11:02] <superfly> oh
[11:02] <magespawn> i assume it is python for the language
[11:02] <superfly> for Python I used to use Eric4, but these days I use PyCharm (we got an open source license for OpenLP)
[11:02] <superfly> For the C++ stuff we do at work we use Eclipse
[11:03] <magespawn> i like Eric
[11:03] <magespawn> Eclipse can apparently do a lot if the right stuff is added to it
[11:04] <magespawn> the irony of using windows is the programs that give little or no hassels are FOSS
[11:07] <magespawn> you know getting to know the ppl here and linux and the open source way of doing things is really not good for my blood pressure
[11:10] <superfly> magespawn: why is that?
[11:11] <Kilos> lol
[11:17] <magespawn> superfly when i have to deal with websites that assume the software/program/patch i am trying to download is for the machine i am downloading on and will not let me change it
[11:17] <magespawn> no open source site that I have used does that
[11:17] <magespawn> only ones who mainly cater to windows
[11:18] <superfly> ah, OK
[11:24] <magespawn> funny how ones perceptions and expectations change
[11:28] <superfly> indeed
[11:37] <magespawn> brb
[12:06] <Kilos> magespawn, im stupid i know but after so many installs i cant find what file i have to uncomment one line
[12:07] <Kilos> was /etc/networks/something
[12:07] <Kilos> how good is your lost and found
[12:07] <Kilos> for that iptables thing
[12:09] <superfly> Kilos: you mean NAT?
[12:10] <Kilos> whew i cant remember superfly and cant find what it was but will recognise it when i see the file
[12:10] <Kilos> i hope
[12:11] <Kilos> its a file with lotsa commented stuff in
[12:11] <superfly> Kilos: if I had even an ounce of an idea of what you're talking about, it would help
[12:12] <Kilos> it allows wired connection
[12:12] <superfly> "allows wired connection"?
[12:12] <Kilos> sjoe
[12:12] <Kilos> it might be nat
[12:13] <Kilos> whats the path to that file?
[12:13] <Kilos> starts /etc/networks/right?
[12:14] <Kilos> ive saved all other links and help files but not with the file to uncomment one line
[12:15] <Kilos> oh maybe it was in chat logs on other pc
[12:16] <Kilos> oh my
[12:20] <Kilos> a rules file maybe
[12:20] <Kilos> ip rules?
[12:21] <Kilos> i think i saved the info on my stick and then made the stick a kde install stick
[12:21] <Kilos> twit
[12:29] <Kilos> wbb
[12:58] <magespawn> Kilos I remember you doing that but also cannot remember the file
[13:05] <Kilos> lol
[13:06] <Kilos> was #somethingsomethingsomething forward
[13:06] <Kilos> hehe
[13:07] <magespawn> somthing like for sure
[13:07] <Kilos> hehe
[13:15] <tonberryE352>  /etc/sysctl.conf
[13:15] <tonberryE352> net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
[13:15] <tonberryE352> ??
[13:21] <Kilos> ty ty ty Tonberry 
[13:21] <Kilos> how did you remember that
[13:25] <tonberryE352> i have set that up a few times
[13:26] <Kilos> whew
[14:17] <magespawn> cool the power of the irc
[14:39] <Kilos> hehe
[16:16] <Squirm> evening
[16:16] <charlvn> good evening
[16:17] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee please
[16:17] <Maaz> charlvn: There isn't a pot on
[16:17] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[16:17]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[16:19] <charlvn> hi Kilos 
[16:21] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn!
[16:21] <Cantide> hey Squirm, charlvn, Kilos :)
[16:21] <Kilos> hi charlvn Cantide Squirm 
[16:21] <Cantide> :D
[16:25] <charlvn> hi Cantide 
[16:25] <charlvn> Maaz: thanks
[16:25] <Maaz> charlvn: Okay :-)
[16:25] <charlvn> *slurp slurp* *burp* :)
[16:26] <Kilos> lol pig
[17:52] <Kilos> naand julle
[18:08] <charlvn> hi Kilos 
[18:16] <magespawn> evening all
[18:35] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee on
[18:35]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[18:35] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee for all
[18:35] <Maaz> Come on ya buncha geeks. Rock up with your mugs with the correct amount of sugar added already
[18:38] <Kilos> hmmm
[18:38] <Kilos> inetpro, coffee time
[18:38] <inetpro> uh
[18:39] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for Kilos!
[18:39] <Kilos> too late
[18:39] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee .... abort
[18:39] <Maaz> inetpro: What?
[18:39] <Kilos> Maaz, danke
[18:39] <Maaz> Bitteschön
[18:39] <Kilos> hehe
[18:39] <inetpro> ai
[18:39] <Kilos> is jy ok?
[18:40] <inetpro> Kilos: goed en daar
[18:40] <Kilos> ja dankie
[18:40]  * inetpro net so bietjie teleurgesteld
[18:41] <Kilos> wats foud boet
[18:41] <Kilos> nie in my nie?
[18:41]  * inetpro wou gesien het hoe Felix vanaf die buitenste ruimte aarde toe val
[18:42] <Kilos> haha en toe is daar wolke
[18:42] <Kilos> hulle sal dit op tv wys
[18:43] <inetpro> die weer het nie mooi saamgespeel nie
[18:43] <inetpro> maar miskien probeer hulle more weer
[18:43] <Kilos> oh is dit nog daar bo
[18:44] <inetpro> nee hy't nooit opgestyg nie
[18:44] <inetpro> Baumgartner's supersonic skydive scrapped for today http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-57528387-76/baumgartners-supersonic-skydive-scrapped-for-today/?ttag=gpwl
[18:44] <inetpro> maar hy was amper daar
[18:44] <inetpro> was al in sy tuigie en al
[18:45] <Kilos> ai
[18:46] <inetpro> hulle het gewys by http://www.redbullstratos.com/live/
[18:55] <Kilos> night all sleep tight
[18:55] <Kilos> see ya morrow
[19:54] <magespawn> good night all.
[20:00] <inetpro> good night magespawn
[20:05] <charlvn> good night magespawn 
[20:36] <charlvn> nn