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tacomasteri was just wondering is the linux driver on par with the windows one for the intel hd 4000 because i know a while back intel gpu's didnt work to well in linux01:01
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ledahmm anyone knows if there is a widget to replace the system tray current one?01:42
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RamchandraApte_Riddel:are you Johnathan Riddel?03:28
uglyoldbob_how can i run dual monitors (not cloned) on kubuntu and control which screen a fullscreen app draws on?03:55
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rj45continuumIt should be screen 1, no?03:57
uglyoldbob_what it i want it to draw on the other monitor?04:01
shadeslayerRamchandraApte_: he is :)04:02
shadeslayeruglyoldbob_: you can also try #kde if no one here knows :)04:03
shadeslayers/knows/replies04:03
uglyoldbob_shadeslayer: ok ill try there04:04
superdreamkillaWhat do I need to do to get Konqueror to play mp3 files?04:06
bazhang!info konqueror04:08
ubottukonqueror (source: kde-baseapps): advanced file manager, web browser and document viewer. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.8.4-0ubuntu0.1 (precise), package size 1084 kB, installed size 3284 kB04:08
bazhangsuperdreamkilla, you mean mouse over mp3 file play?04:09
superdreamkillaI'm used to firefox on OS X, where the quicktime plugin will play mp3s when you click on them04:09
superdreamkillais there something similar I can do here?04:10
bazhangmouse over does not work?04:10
superdreamkillano04:10
bazhangdo you have kubuntu-restricted-extras installed?04:11
superdreamkillai'll check04:11
bazhangok04:11
RamchandraApte_shadeslayer:i met him04:11
shadeslayerokay ...04:12
superdreamkillano I didn't. Installing now04:13
superdreamkillaWhy aren't those installed by default? Aren't they really common?04:14
RamchandraApte_they are propetiary04:14
RamchandraApte_they are proprietiary04:15
superdreamkillaI had Kubuntu 9.something. I don't remember, was it default back then?04:15
superdreamkillaon 12.04 now04:15
superdreamkillaIt still doesn't work04:27
superdreamkillawhen I click on a link to an mp3, it downloads it and opens Amarok04:27
shadeslayerI'd say that was expected behaviour04:29
superdreamkillahow can I play them embedded in the browser window?04:30
shadeslayerafaik there's no way to do that04:31
shadeslayerkonqueror works on kparts, and I don't recall seeing a kpart that could play mp3s04:31
shadeslayermaybe dragon ... but not sure04:31
superdreamkilladragon plays them04:31
shadeslayerok, sec04:31
superdreamkillaAmarok has awful performance on my old machine, for simple mp3s04:32
shadeslayerhm, nope, no way that I can see to do it inside of konqueror04:36
shadeslayersuperdreamkilla: you can run : keditfiletype audio/mpeg04:38
shadeslayerand then check the embedding tab to see if you can embed mp3 using any of the kparts04:38
shadeslayerI don't see anything on my machine that'll allow me to embed mp3's04:39
shadeslayeroh wait04:40
shadeslayerthere we go04:40
shadeslayersuperdreamkilla: it works with a bit of hacking04:42
shadeslayerrun : keditfiletype audio/mpeg04:42
shadeslayerOpen the embedding tab04:42
shadeslayer"Show file in embedded viewer"04:42
shadeslayerHit Add in "Service Preferences Order"04:42
shadeslayerselect the dragonplayer_part04:43
shadeslayerApply -> relaunch konqueror -> browse to mp304:43
shadeslayerthough you can also do something like System Settings > File Associations > Click the audio group > Show file in embedded viewer04:45
shadeslayerthat'll set it to play all files in a embedded kpart04:46
superdreamkillathanks a lot04:53
noaXessmorning06:11
noaXesswhere can i controll the starttime of updatedb.mlocate?06:11
noaXessit is always runnig if i'm working and then machine get's slow06:12
noaXessand to dolphin, why are hidden elements in the Places bar alwas showing again? it are nfs shares i mount and on each mount, they apear in Places even i i set them to hidden..06:13
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coolgoosemorning guys - i have a dual monitor setup. is there a chance to have the same panels cloned on the second screen ?06:57
hateballhmmm, there is no Kubuntu merch any longer, or am I not looking in the right place07:09
hateballI was looking to donate, but buying a sleek t-shirt would be nicer still07:09
ravloonyhello. does anybody else have issues with kmail and imap? It won't log in.07:14
ravloonyI know the settings are ok because they work for my phone07:14
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Guest48737hi.  anyone having problems when upgrading to quantal?08:18
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RamchandraApte_ns identify RamchandraApte py2c09:12
Fuzzlesi installed cd versiona and upgraded to kubuntu full ut how do i get rid f the dvd software so im back to cd version?09:20
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MadgodHey guys. Could you tell me if it's possible to remove akonadi from Kubuntu without affecting anything else?11:26
MadgodI don't know what it's good for but the akonadi agent keeps flooding my memory every 5 to 10 minutes, filling up until it hits 6 GB and everything crashes.11:26
MadgodSo I'd rather just get rid of that broken POS11:27
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hateballMadgod: You can disable it11:30
MadgodHow do I go about that?11:31
hateballWell I guess you mean it's nepomuk that does these things11:31
MadgodI don't know. I understand Akonadi has something to do with the filesystem?11:32
MadgodThat's where my familiarity ends.11:32
MadgodNow as of the last couple (re)boots it started locking up my PC constantly11:32
hateballakonadi is the server backend that keeps track of stuff like contacts etc. if you have a problem with RAM and disk thrashing, it's likely due to nepomuk (and strigi) indexing of files for use with krunner11:32
MadgodI incidentally do not see the processes right now, but the akonadi_agent_something at that point was using like I said 6 GB of memory.11:33
MadgodAha11:33
hateballMadgod: so you can go into settings for desktop search and untick nepomuk and strigi, if they are started11:33
MadgodDoes this serve an actual purpose?11:33
hateballMadgod: That's where I'd start11:33
hateballMadgod: Well it lets you alt+f2 and just type to find things11:33
hateballWhich, is lovely.11:33
MadgodYou mean calling commands won't be possible after I pull the plug n nepomuk?11:34
Madgod*on11:34
hateballtbh I'm not even sure about that :D11:35
Madgodhateball, well I do have a gargantuan inbox, and email search is enabled.11:35
MadgodWhich I can safely dump since Kontact does not support it anyway11:35
MadgodHopefully that counts toward something11:35
hateballIt should11:35
MadgodOddly I found the memory quotum, which is set at 50 MB.11:36
MadgodI wonder what made it blast clear over that11:36
MadgodThe commands seem to work just fine btw.11:36
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hateballMadgod: Well something else may well be messed up. I was just suggesting this as a first thing to try11:38
MadgodYeah, thanks for the assist hateball11:38
MadgodIt is stable for now, I'll see if the problem occurs again11:38
phoenix_firebrdhello everyone12:32
monkeyjuicemorning phoenix_firebrd12:41
phoenix_firebrdmonkeyjuice: morning12:42
anja_versusHi. Not a *buntu problem, specifically... my router/DSL modem's setup webpage/webserver suddenly refuses connections,. but I can ping the router just fine @ 192.168.2.1, and am, in fact, online through it.  I'm afraid to reboot the router since I won't be able to get online again if I still can't get to the config page then...12:54
hateballanja_versus: you may want to ask in ##networking12:55
anja_versusthanks12:57
BluesKajHi all12:58
adlezHey13:00
dannican anybody here answer me this question :)13:10
dannihttps://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30815313:10
ubottuKDE bug 308153 in general "drag and drop not working." [Normal,Needsinfo: waitingforinfo]13:10
anja_versusstill no answer :/13:13
MadgodHey13:29
Guest55397hi. anyone having problems in the upgrade to quantal?13:30
MadgodIt's back again. akonadi_agent_launcher and akonadi_mailfilter_agent using 7.8 GB of RAM13:30
MadgodI am this close to overwriting the binaries with null bytes13:30
lordievaderGuest55397: I think you should ask in #ubuntu+1.13:30
Guest55397ok, thanks lordievader13:30
MadgodKeeps coming back as well13:31
MadgodIs Akonadi plain broken everywhere? Or is this just a freak bug that occurs cause it's wednesday afternoon?13:31
MadgodOkay, after gauging it I can safely confirm that Akonadi eats up an additional 200MB of RAM every second.13:39
MadgodDivided over roughly 12 processes13:40
hateballMadgod: didnt you disable the mail index?13:40
MadgodI did. However it came back.13:41
MadgodI managed to hack it out of the system by removing references to it in config files, but that bricked my email client.13:42
Guest55397anyone having broken kde-runtime in quantal?13:42
MadgodEvidently Kontact can't live without13:42
BluesKajMadgod, which email client ?. if it's kmail then akonadi uses it as a mail server of sorts13:44
MadgodOkay, I deleted every resources in the system settings under personal information13:45
BluesKajis used as a mail server ,. rather13:45
MadgodNow I just need to deal with 3 akonadi_agent_launchers that are each 2 GB in size13:45
MadgodPardon, 2.5 by the time that sentence ended.13:45
BluesKajwhynot just disable the akonadi server13:46
MadgodAnd I see the resources are coming back on their own, too..13:46
MadgodBluesKaj, cause then I can no longer use kontact13:46
MadgodNo kontact = no email = no work = no KDE13:46
BluesKajoh good luck , Madgod :)13:46
MadgodI think I'll just drop this broken ass system and go back to gnome13:46
hateball:/13:46
hateballMadgod: is your stuff stored locally, or do you have an imap server etc?13:47
MadgodIMAP13:47
hateballyou could try nuking the akonadi db and rebuilding13:47
MadgodIMAP and synch'ed folders13:47
MadgodSo I can just.. Yeah exactly13:47
BluesKajMadgod, well, go ahead , gnome/unity has it's isues as well13:47
MadgodBluesKaj, but it works.13:47
MadgodI don't need to deal with it freezing up until I hit the reset button 10 minutes after launch13:47
BluesKajok , bye :)13:47
MadgodWith no fixes in sight in the launchpad13:47
MadgodIt's a shame cause I was really digging it for the one week that this window manager worked.13:48
buxbonjour13:49
BluesKajuse thunderbird , kmail/kontact has had issues for over 3 yrs , most ppl whoi can't get ti to work gave up a long time ago13:49
buxhi, i got an issue with flash on chromium13:49
buxsince today13:49
MadgodBluesKaj, thunderbird is a bit too minimalistic for me. Evolution would be a good alternative though, and come to think of it I doubt that uses Akonadi..13:50
buxi m not able to install the new pllugin13:50
MadgodThanks for that unwittingly helpful suggestion13:50
lordievaderbux: I saw that there was an update for flash, perhaps it is related.13:50
hateballMadgod: Evolution uses evolution-data-server tho, not sure it's much better ;p but perhaps it wont totally hog your system at least13:50
MadgodPfft. It's up to 4 GB per process.13:51
* hateball uses html5 solutions for all the things, no headaches13:51
Madgod*Anything* would be better hateball. After trying to get to work with very tight deadlines looming that put "dead" in the word, and obviously zero progress, I'll settle for pigeons that carry white/black marbles representing ones and zeroes.13:52
BluesKajMadgod, there are a lot of very good plugins for thunderbird that can whatever kmail/kontact can  do , or so I've been told by ppl who use it on the job ..I'm a home user so ne need for calendars etc13:52
buxlordievader: i dunno, my system is update and I still can listen / watch stream13:52
BluesKajno need13:52
BluesKajbux you could try DLing the latest flash from adobe and placing the libflashplayer.so in /usr/bin/mozilla/plugins , that's where chromium looks for the flashplayer13:54
buxah13:54
buxgood point13:54
buxi indicate the wrong folder ...13:54
BluesKajoops /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins13:54
buxBluesKaj: yup13:55
hateballwell, chromium has its own plugin folder as well. just fyi13:56
buxi didnt find it13:56
hateball/usr/lib/chromium-browser/plugins/13:56
buxok13:57
buxhmm13:57
BluesKajhateball, well , chromium doesn't seem be looking down that path in some cases13:57
buxwell i cp the plugin in the mozilla folder13:57
buxand it s works13:57
buxso thx :)13:57
BluesKajok13:58
hateballI tend to just copy to my users plugin folder, since I am lazy and a single user :p13:59
MadgodEvolution to the rescue. Thanks for the suggestions and letting me vent guys.13:59
BluesKajMadgod, does evolution run ok on KDE14:00
BluesKaj?14:00
MadgodBluesKaj, so far.14:01
phoenix_firebrdbbl14:01
MadgodI do notice it's rendered somewhat differently.14:01
MadgodThe theme seems to resemble Thunar more than Gnome14:02
MadgodBut it all appears to work.14:02
hateballMadgod: You can tweak settings for GTK apps in KDE14:02
hateballassuming evolution still is gtk214:02
Madgodhateball, I'd think so yes.14:03
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Guest91871can someone help me im curious is there a way to install ndiswrapper without an internet connection?14:32
BluesKajGuest91871, only if you've already downloaded ndiswrapper and the associated device driver14:35
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MadgodBluesKaj, to come back on your earlier question, I have noticed an interesting GTK bug - the mouse icon for vertical resizing, has been replaced with the one for horizontal resizing :P14:47
MadgodAnd what's up with ndiswrapper?14:47
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BluesKajMadgod, ok , the only gnome app I run is Synaptic , still the best package manager IMO , but it seems quite well integrated in KDE with the defaults settings15:00
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BluesKajI know this sort of offtopic , but i just inherited some Itunes m4a files, but they seem to be DRM'd since neither VLC nor Amarok can play them, any suggestions ?15:46
hackwaterBluesKaj: Have you tried using ffmpeg to convert them to mp3?16:09
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pepeehi. I installed quantal, and I'm getting "Activation of org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit timed out", anyone knows what does it means?16:23
fuzzleswhats the advantages of adding the kubuntu backports ppa?16:27
BluesKajhackwater, yes , but the DRM prevents any conversions or playback16:43
hackwaterBluesKaj: So they're essentially m4p? That sounds like it may be tough. This looks interesting: http://all-streaming-media.com/streaming-media-faq/faq-playing-DRM-protected-m4p-AAC-Apple-iTunes-files.htm16:49
BluesKajhackwater,i don't have itunes installed on any pcs , so I guess I'm out of luck ..the challenge is to find a method to defeat the drm for audio by itunes ..not as easy as one would think16:54
hackwaterBluesKaj: Yeah, you need a key to decrypt encrypted files, or else you have to crack them, which may or may not be legal (IANAL)16:55
jonsacohola  comunidad me podrian ayudar16:55
phoenix_firebrd!spanish | jonsaco16:56
ubottujonsaco: En la mayoría de los canales de Ubuntu, se habla sólo en inglés. Si busca ayuda en español entre al canal #ubuntu-es; escriba "/join #ubuntu-es" (sin comillas) y presione intro.16:56
* BluesKaj isn't an apple fanboy , don't believe in their proprietary control over the songs even tho they're paid for.16:56
phoenix_firebrdBluesKaj: +116:57
BluesKajbtw that kind of drm control over a purchased song used to be illegal in Canada ...dunno if it still is tho16:58
phoenix_firebrdBluesKaj: really?16:58
BluesKajyes16:59
phoenix_firebrdBluesKaj: in that case the piratebay people should live there :)16:59
BluesKajwe used to have the "sony law" , made ithe 70s ..if you purchased any recording legally you were alowed to copy for your own use , as long as you didn't distribute it or resell it.17:00
phoenix_firebrdBluesKaj: you mean the japanese sony?17:01
BluesKajpiratebay would be illegal here17:01
phoenix_firebrdBluesKaj: :(17:01
BluesKajwell the canadian sony17:01
phoenix_firebrdBluesKaj: the company that manufactures the playstation?17:02
BluesKajsony was sued for selling blank tape17:02
phoenix_firebrdsome blank tapes or many?17:02
BluesKajany17:04
phoenix_firebrdweired17:04
BluesKajthe canadian equivalent of the US RIAA lost in court17:05
phoenix_firebrdHow is the law on copyright now?17:05
BluesKajif you can prove ownership you're allowed to copy media17:06
BluesKajonly for your own use17:06
phoenix_firebrdBluesKaj: If i am the owner why cant i distribute for free?17:07
phoenix_firebrdBluesKaj: Did you mean a copy or  owner of the source?17:08
BluesKajbecause the the recipient didn't pay for it , and  if he does pay both the seller and purchaser arre breaking the law17:08
phoenix_firebrdBluesKaj: so torrents or illegal?17:09
BluesKajyes17:09
phoenix_firebrdBluesKaj: oh my god, thats very badf17:09
BluesKajt5here are legal torrent s btw17:09
BluesKajnot all torrents are illegal17:10
phoenix_firebrdBluesKaj: what if your wrote a book and you want to give it free to others?17:10
BluesKajif you publish the book and copyright it yourself then yes , it's legal to do what you want with it.17:11
phoenix_firebrdBluesKaj: in that case its good17:12
BluesKajI think that's the case in most coutries , phoenix_firebrd17:12
BluesKajcountries17:13
phoenix_firebrdBluesKaj: Here in my place no one cares about copyright except for the movie industries17:13
BluesKajnobody cares maybe , but I'll bet it's still against the law to copy and sell copyrighted media without a royalty agreement with the owner17:15
phoenix_firebrdBluesKaj: ya17:15
darkcrow666why ubuntu sucks so much ?17:38
darkcrow666from 12.04 version ubuntu has died17:39
darkcrow666kubuntu is the best.17:39
Peace-darkcrow666: nice17:41
lordievaderdarkcrow666: Matter of opinion, for some unity is hell for others it is heaven.17:41
* Peace- has released showebkam17:42
darkcrow666unity 3d is not heaven or hell its just not working17:42
darkcrow666they use compiz !!!! Even noobs know that compiz right now is a dead project ! Compiz will screw your WHOLE EXPERIENCE.17:43
darkcrow666UBUNTU DEVELOPERS ARE NOOBS17:43
darkcrow666OR THE DONT USE LINUX17:43
lordievaderdarkcrow666: Jumping to conclusions if you ask me...17:44
darkcrow666Lord .. wait ! do you have ubuntu installed on your pc ?17:44
Peace-darkcrow666: ok ... just go on #ubuntu-devel and say that17:45
lordievaderdarkcrow666: It is somewhere yes, however I do not use it.17:45
Peace-darkcrow666: and btw this is not a chat it's a channel where people find help17:45
lordievaderdarkcrow666: I dislike it too, but I do not voice my dislike.17:45
OerHeks12.10 / unity 6  screws it much nices, darkcrow666.17:46
OerHeksc/nicer17:46
darkcrow666lol17:47
darkcrow666i will laugh when you will start using it17:48
Peace-!chat | darkcrow666 OerHeks lordievader17:49
ubottudarkcrow666 OerHeks lordievader: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks!17:49
Peace-OerHeks:  lordievader sorry :D17:50
netrunner_hellow17:50
lordievaderThe ubottu needs an update, this is #kubuntu and the offtopic is #kubuntu-offtopic...17:50
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lordievaderHey pollob_, how are you?17:51
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daviddoriaI have mounted a share and I can see it in dolphin. How do I get to that directory in a terminal? I read that it should be ~/.cache/gvfs, but I don't have that directory? (KDE from Ubuntu 12.04)18:15
lordievaderdaviddoria: Have you mounted the share through dolphin?18:16
daviddorialordievader, yes18:16
Peace-daviddoria:  ~ = your home18:16
daviddoriaPeace-, yes, I don't have /home/doriad/.cache/gvfs18:17
Peace-mmm18:17
lordievaderdaviddoria: That is the reason why I use the terminal to mount it, anyhow you could use "find" to find it.18:17
Peace-daviddoria: have you tried to show the hidden files in dolphin ?18:17
daviddoriaPeace-, I can see everything in dolphin. I am trying to navigate to a directory that I can see in dolphin from a terminal18:18
lordievaderPeace-: A terminal doesn't care wheter it is hidden or not...18:18
Peace-ls ~/.cache/gvfs daviddoria18:18
daviddorialordievader, there are tons of options for the mount that I'm not sure how to do from a terminal - I thought there would just be someting like "right click -> open this location in a terminal" or something18:18
daviddoriaor a different place where everything gets mounted18:18
lordievaderdaviddoria: Ah that is something you can do, open the share from dolphin, then right-click -> action -> open a terminal here. And then a "pwd" to see where you are.18:19
daviddorialordievader, I dont have an "action" in the right click menu18:20
daviddoriaweird... i do have "actions" in a normal folder18:20
lordievaderdaviddoria: I'm sorry it is "Actions"18:20
daviddoriabut not in the share18:20
lordievaderdaviddoria: What happens when you press F4?18:21
lordievaderdaviddoria: It should open a terminal within dolphin.18:22
daviddorialordievader, F4 seems to do nothing even from a normal directory18:22
Peace-daviddoria: you should get something like this with f4 http://wstaw.org/m/2012/10/10/plasma-desktopps1909.png18:22
daviddoriaah, my function lock was not on18:23
daviddoria(silly new keyboards)18:23
daviddoriabut unfortunately from the share, F4 just brings me to ~ in the terminal18:23
daviddorialordievader, I am doing a "sudo find / -name "file.txt"" for a file I know is in the directory, is that how I might find it?18:24
lordievaderdaviddoria: Read this first: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/dolphin-mount-points-where-4175423919/18:25
lordievaderdaviddoria: Seems like dolphin uses some dirty tricks to mount the share.18:25
daviddoriaoh weird18:25
daviddorialordievader, any clues how to set these properties in a command line mount command? http://pastebin.com/vkXzQtPp18:28
bjrohanI need some guidance using WINE, namely 1.) wine deletes the exe file that I put in its //windows32 directory when I exit the program 2.) How do I set up wine to run a program in a different directory namely my /home/user/downloads18:28
lordievaderdaviddoria: What kind of share are you trying to mount? A samba/cifs share?18:28
daviddorialordievader, yes18:29
lordievaderdaviddoria: Let's see how did that go again...18:29
avihaybjrohan:  wine /home/user/downloads/<program full name>  ?18:30
daviddorialordievader, I have some notes from a long time ago that say "sudo mount -t cifs arcvfs.arc.rpi.edu matlabMount -o user=doria"18:31
lordievaderdaviddoria: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-to-mount-remote-windows-partition-windows-share-under-linux.html18:31
daviddoriabut I get "wrong fs type"18:31
bjrohanavihay thank you!18:31
lordievaderdaviddoria: sudo apt-get install smbfs18:32
daviddorialordievader, ok, now I get "mount.cifs: bad UNC (\arcvfs.arc.rpi.edu)"18:33
daviddoriawith: sudo mount -t cifs \\arcvfs.arc.rpi.edu matlabMount -o user=doriad18:34
lordievaderdaviddoria: Are you not forgetting the mount folder? Now it seems you just have the server's adress.18:35
daviddoriaI also tried with arcvfs.arc.rpi.edu/Software/matlab (and the matlabMount is where I want to mount it to)18:36
daviddoria @ lordievader18:36
daviddoriaah, it worked18:37
daviddoriasudo mount -t cifs //arcvfs.arc.rpi.edu/Software/matlab matlabMount -o user=doriad18:37
daviddoriagreat18:37
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lordievaderdaviddoria: Ah, good to hear.18:38
daviddorialordievader, thanks a ton for your help18:38
lordievaderdaviddoria: No problem.18:38
pepeehi. how do I reconfigure ktp-contaclist?18:39
pepeethe password is wrong, and it won't let me configure it, ktp crashes...18:40
pepeeoh, it worked now. I upgraded to quantal today18:41
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bjrohanI am having a problem with WINE deleting the .exe.file after I exit said .exe program, is there a setting I can change?19:35
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L3topWine should not ever delete an .exe...19:39
madconquerorHi there.. a question about connecting to MS Exchange Servers... on my Android 4.0 phone there's this ActiveExchange sync ...err... software,  that does what I need (fetch email and contacts from the exchange server of a customer)... Is there anything like it - or a way to do something comparable - from Kubuntu?20:46
Eliminatorhello?20:53
madconquerorHi Eliminator20:55
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=== Guest53784 is now known as euphoria
=== paolo is now known as birillo
=== chalced is now known as chalcedony
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