[00:29] <darkxst> robert_ancell, perhaps you can take a quick look at this patch?  Barry uploaded it to proposed, but didnt understand the patch. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1064269
[00:30] <robert_ancell> darkxst, looking now
[00:49] <darkxst> robert_ancell, thanks
[02:38] <darkxst> robert_ancell, is there a way to get session list from lightdm via dbus? I.e for gdm they do this Gdm.get_session_ids().length to determine correct labels for the usermenu items
[02:52] <robert_ancell> darkxst, no, that functionality is in the helper library liblightdm
[03:06] <darkxst> robert_ancell, oh yeh, of course!
[03:11] <darkxst> robert_ancell, but the liblightdm gi library is not installed by default?
[03:12] <robert_ancell> darkxst, it's in gir1.2-lightdm-1
[03:12] <darkxst> yeh I found it, but it wasnt installed
[03:12] <robert_ancell> unity-greeter uses the library directly, so by default it's not installed
[03:12] <darkxst> so I can't really use it, unless we add deps somewhere
[03:13] <robert_ancell> darkxst, use it in gnome-shell?
[03:13] <darkxst> yeh
[03:13] <robert_ancell> yeah, you can just add a dependency on it
[03:13] <darkxst> ok
[03:13] <robert_ancell> you can depend on it and it wont bring in the daemon
[03:14] <darkxst> ok cool
[03:23] <darkxst> robert_ancell,  although I really dont want to patch to much javascript, since things are just going to break when people install related extensions
[03:23] <darkxst> perhaps it would be safer to patch libgdm?
[03:23] <darkxst> to divert to liblightgdm when gdm is not available?
[03:24] <darkxst> and there are a bunch of extensions that mess around with the user menu
[03:25] <robert_ancell> that's another option
[03:27] <darkxst> I might look at doing it that way
[03:28] <darkxst> but there is still this issue, that is probably an unavoidable js patch https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1063110, and will break again with most status menu extensions ;(
[03:33] <darkxst> (not related to lightdm of course) but nasty none the less
[13:29] <jbicha> everaldo: ah, there's one more thing: the isolinux art used when you boot from the live image
[13:30] <jbicha> I'd like to use Ubuntu's purple symbolic "press a key for accessibility" background but substituting our blue for the purple
[13:36] <everaldo> jbicha, oh! right
[13:36] <everaldo> let me take care of it
[13:37] <everaldo> jbicha, is this the one created by iso-build-script or theres a specific package for it?
[13:38] <jbicha> everaldo: currently, we're just using the build script for it; it should end up in an actual package but we might not bother for quantal
[13:48] <everaldo> jbicha, ok, working on it.
[14:42] <CrusaderAD> Hello. Is Ubuntu Gnome Remix beta available for download?
[14:42] <everaldo> CrusaderAD, yes, it is
[14:42] <CrusaderAD> where at?
[14:42] <everaldo> CrusaderAD, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ReleaseNotes/12.10Beta
[14:42] <CrusaderAD> thank you much
[14:43] <everaldo> CrusaderAD, to be more precise: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ReleaseNotes/12.10Beta#Download_Beta
[14:43] <smartboyhw> CrusaderAD, though I suggest wait for 8 days for final release:D
[14:43] <CrusaderAD> nice, thanks, I plan on giving it a go
[14:44] <CrusaderAD> smartboyhw ya I'm considering that :)
[14:44] <everaldo> hehe, I am use it every day... to be honest I don't see any major bug
[14:44] <smartboyhw> All minor ones really:D
[14:45] <everaldo> smartboyhw, well, we need to fix bugs so, we need to use it
[14:46] <CrusaderAD> in your opinions, if you have a 64bit capable machine, would you always use 64bit versions?
[14:46] <everaldo> better to have more people testing
[14:46] <everaldo> CrusaderAD, I am use 64bit for past 2 years
[14:46] <smartboyhw> everaldo, ya sure you are a good dev!
[14:46] <everaldo> theres only two things that I don't lie
[14:46] <everaldo> like
[14:46] <CrusaderAD> everaldo oh ya? what's that?
[14:46] <everaldo> when use skype lots of 32 bit libraries got installed
[14:47] <everaldo> and the same for android sdk, it is 32bit only
[14:47] <CrusaderAD> hm, do you prefer the performance of 64bit over 32bit?
[14:47] <everaldo> it is not a real problem but I don't like to have this 32bit libraries installed just because skype and android sdk don't release a 64 bit
[14:47] <everaldo> but I still prefer 64
[14:48] <CrusaderAD> I see
[14:48]  * smartboyhw prefers 64-bit libs too
[14:48] <everaldo> CrusaderAD, I can't measure performance since I don't use 32 anumore
[14:48] <everaldo> anymore
[14:49] <CrusaderAD> I recently bought an Acer Aspire S3 (it's the one pictured on ubuntu's homepage) and I do notice a few things wrong with it on the 64bit version, I can't edge scroll on the touchpad and the wireless takes about 2 minutes to connect after I login... not sure if it's 64bit related or not, might have to try out the 32bit version
[14:50] <everaldo> CrusaderAD, I would like to hear about your experiences with this computer, maybe a blog post about it?
[14:50] <everaldo> also, if you install a 32 bit and compare problens
[14:50] <everaldo> it will be amazing!
[14:50] <CrusaderAD> everaldo I just may have to do that :)
[14:50] <everaldo> I am sure that lots of people will interest on hear about this
[14:50] <CrusaderAD> there aren't a whole lot of comparisons out there
[14:51] <everaldo> CrusaderAD, btw, do you know this links:
[14:51] <everaldo> http://www.linlap.com/wiki/acer+aspire+s3
[14:51] <everaldo> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireS3
[14:51] <everaldo> ?
[14:52] <CrusaderAD> everaldo oh snap! no I didn't, thanks!
[14:52] <everaldo> smartboyhw, btw, we need to have a multitouch on GNOME3, will be nice to use gesture to open a overview like in OSX
[14:52] <smartboyhw> everaldo, wow
[14:54] <everaldo> CrusaderAD, I brougth a computer 5 months ago
[14:55] <everaldo> at that time I was between aspire s3, mac air and one vaio
[14:55] <everaldo> brougth a air but I still want have a S3
[14:56] <CrusaderAD> everaldo they're nice, light and solid... I really have no complaints
[14:57] <CrusaderAD> I was on the fence about the air too, do you like it? did you drop ubuntu on it?
[14:59] <everaldo> CrusaderAD, well, the mid 2011 model is perfect for linux, really, never see a hardware so compatible with linux and ubuntu
[14:59] <everaldo> CrusaderAD, but I don't know if is the same with mid 2012 model
[14:59] <everaldo> I had a macbook pro and it work ok
[15:00] <everaldo> so some friends also brought one but a more recent model
[15:00] <everaldo> and for then wireless was a hell
[15:00] <everaldo> CrusaderAD, on my air I run ubuntu 99% of time
[15:01] <everaldo> just remember last time I use OSX
[15:01]  * everaldo just remember that found a better way to boot ubuntu on mac and need to doc it
[15:01] <smartboyhw> everaldo, good:D
[15:02] <everaldo> smartboyhw,  I just create a fat32 very small partition and:
[15:03] <everaldo> http://pastebin.com/iWtwsarm
[15:03] <everaldo> and it just using efi
[15:03] <smartboyhw> WOW
[15:04] <everaldo> without use refit or any other thing
[15:04] <everaldo> and also if you press "alt" when starting machine the mac firmware recognize partition and show it
[15:06] <CrusaderAD> everaldo cool, air doesn't have retina, I saw Ubuntu on a retina and everything was so small cause the resolution was so high... pretty neat
[15:08] <everaldo> CrusaderAD, you can change font dpi and it get bigger
[15:09] <everaldo> using gnome-tweak-tool
[15:10] <CrusaderAD> cool
[15:19] <CrusaderAD> nice chatting with you guys, ttyl
[15:22] <everaldo> jbicha, just search for the icons used on ubuntu syslinux, not easy available and it is not gnome's symbolic icon
[15:30] <jbicha> everaldo: apt-get source syslinux-themes-ubuntu
[15:32] <jbicha> I see access.pcx and blank.pcx
[15:57] <everaldo> jbicha, yes, I have it but it is purple, we need the symbols transparent or in svg
[15:57] <everaldo> anyway, I will try colorize in gimp
[15:58] <everaldo> sometimes it works
[16:03] <jbicha> everaldo: maybe try looking at the commit log and figure out who created the images to begin with
[16:03] <everaldo> good idea
[16:04] <jbicha> since it's GPL3, it probably should have the original source included but often times that principle is ignored for image files
[16:26] <everaldo> jbicha, the fast solution was to change the color backgorund just a little bit
[16:26] <everaldo> you can event see the differences
[16:26] <everaldo> change to a color that I can obtain using gimp colorizer
[16:28] <everaldo> just changed from 4169a4 to 4069a7
[16:30] <everaldo> jbicha, our text background in grub is #133773 but the current syslinux color is 4169a4
[16:30] <everaldo> what the right color?
[16:31] <jbicha> um, the right color is as close as we can get to what grub will be using
[16:31] <everaldo> ah, ok, I will change syslinux color
[17:01] <everaldo> jbicha, done. https://code.launchpad.net/~ecanuto/+junk/iso-build-script
[17:01] <everaldo> jbicha, but I can't propose merge so you must give me access or commit your self
[17:02] <everaldo> (last 3 revisions in my branch)
[17:07]  * everaldo needs to restart
[18:20] <everaldo> just finished to generate my daily iso
[18:20] <everaldo> everything ok
[19:49] <darkxst> robert_ancell, what happened to this upload? I cant find it and doesnt appear to have been released? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/1057841
[19:49] <robert_ancell> darkxst, an archive admin rejected it but I don't know why (the rejection system doesn't indicate why)
[19:53] <robert_ancell> darkxst, oh, the reasoning is in bug 1055359
[19:58] <darkxst> robert_ancell, oh right, would have been nice to have the user switchnig fix in quantal, but I guess its too late now
[19:58] <robert_ancell> darkxst, yeah, will have to SRU it
[20:02] <jbicha> it could still get in before final release
[20:13] <ricotz> http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell/commit/?id=0e01a81219e16969011860be134bccd111930368
[20:26] <darkxst> jbicha, ok, and I suppose this will need to be a SRU as well? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1063110
[21:53] <darkxst> jbicha, who did you speak with about potential lightDM support in gnome-shell? clearly gcampax is not really keen on the idea!
[21:58] <jbicha> yeah, he wasn't in Boston
[21:59] <jbicha> Ray Strode & Jasper St. Pierre seemed interested in working with lightdm, especially if lightdm could use gnome-shell as a greeter/lock screen
[22:00] <darkxst> and he is responsible for most of the gdm only code!
[22:01] <jbicha> they said that they hacked a way for the lock screen greeter to not need vt switching which was a big problem when unity-greeter tried handling the lock screen several months ago
[22:02] <jbicha> ironically, gdm has become a bit more similar to lightdm, especially if they drop the fallback mode like they want to
[22:03] <jbicha> but lightdm's big advantage is that it is cross-desktop; a distro could ship lightdm as the foundation for all of the flavors they support
[22:20] <darkxst> yes that would seem logical! as nice as the gdm/gnome-shell integration is, it does present problems
[23:10] <darkxst> jbicha, something I have been thinking about for 13.04 is to have some sort of 'migration mode'. It would be a carefully selected set of shell extensions, that would ease the mental transition to gnome-shell. Then users can turn them off one-by-one as they get used to the new interface
[23:13] <darkxst> for example many new shell users complain about lack of traditional application menu, or bottom panel.
[23:14] <darkxst> But give them a few weeks and they will probably realise they don't even use these anymore!
[23:14] <jbicha> darkxst: in Boston we discussed getting rid of fallback mode
[23:14] <darkxst> jbicha, not talking about fallback mode
[23:15] <darkxst> in the shell proper
[23:15] <jbicha> gonyere suggested that we officially support a set of extensions that bring back some of the gnome2 feel
[23:15] <jbicha> like the applications and places menu extensions
[23:16] <jbicha> there will be more discussion, but I think that compromise position could stick
[23:16] <jbicha> GNOME doesn't really like the idea of distro's packaging extensions
[23:17] <jbicha> but Jasper was talking about adding a "download rpm" button to extensions.gnome.org; adding a "download deb" button shouldn't be too difficult
[23:17] <darkxst> yeh I know, Jasper was hinting at package kit support for extensions at one stage though
[23:17] <jbicha> that way there is an answer for sysadmins
[23:18] <jbicha> and extensions should auto-update some day...
[23:18] <darkxst> yeh that didnt make it for 3.6
[23:19] <jbicha> he remembered that you had written some extensions (since he's one of the main reviewers on the site)
[23:19] <darkxst> not so much anymore, he has a couple of review slaves now ;)
[23:21] <darkxst> though he has also reviewed some of my bug fixes also
[23:31] <darkxst> jbicha, are you planning to have ubuntu-gnome session at UDS?
[23:59] <darkxst> jbicha, are you planning to have ubuntu-gnome session at UDS?