[00:29] robert_ancell, perhaps you can take a quick look at this patch? Barry uploaded it to proposed, but didnt understand the patch. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1064269 [00:29] Ubuntu bug 1064269 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "When running lightDM user switching doesnt work" [Undecided,Confirmed] [00:30] darkxst, looking now [00:49] robert_ancell, thanks [02:38] robert_ancell, is there a way to get session list from lightdm via dbus? I.e for gdm they do this Gdm.get_session_ids().length to determine correct labels for the usermenu items [02:52] darkxst, no, that functionality is in the helper library liblightdm [03:06] robert_ancell, oh yeh, of course! [03:11] robert_ancell, but the liblightdm gi library is not installed by default? [03:12] darkxst, it's in gir1.2-lightdm-1 [03:12] yeh I found it, but it wasnt installed [03:12] unity-greeter uses the library directly, so by default it's not installed [03:12] so I can't really use it, unless we add deps somewhere [03:13] darkxst, use it in gnome-shell? [03:13] yeh [03:13] yeah, you can just add a dependency on it [03:13] ok [03:13] you can depend on it and it wont bring in the daemon [03:14] ok cool [03:23] robert_ancell, although I really dont want to patch to much javascript, since things are just going to break when people install related extensions [03:23] perhaps it would be safer to patch libgdm? [03:23] to divert to liblightgdm when gdm is not available? [03:24] and there are a bunch of extensions that mess around with the user menu [03:25] that's another option [03:27] I might look at doing it that way [03:28] but there is still this issue, that is probably an unavoidable js patch https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1063110, and will break again with most status menu extensions ;( [03:28] Ubuntu bug 1063110 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "ubuntu lock on suspend option breaks when suspending via userMenu" [Undecided,New] [03:33] (not related to lightdm of course) but nasty none the less [13:29] everaldo: ah, there's one more thing: the isolinux art used when you boot from the live image [13:30] I'd like to use Ubuntu's purple symbolic "press a key for accessibility" background but substituting our blue for the purple [13:36] jbicha, oh! right [13:36] let me take care of it [13:37] jbicha, is this the one created by iso-build-script or theres a specific package for it? [13:38] everaldo: currently, we're just using the build script for it; it should end up in an actual package but we might not bother for quantal [13:48] jbicha, ok, working on it. [14:42] Hello. Is Ubuntu Gnome Remix beta available for download? [14:42] CrusaderAD, yes, it is [14:42] where at? [14:42] CrusaderAD, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ReleaseNotes/12.10Beta [14:42] thank you much [14:43] CrusaderAD, to be more precise: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ReleaseNotes/12.10Beta#Download_Beta [14:43] CrusaderAD, though I suggest wait for 8 days for final release:D [14:43] nice, thanks, I plan on giving it a go [14:44] smartboyhw ya I'm considering that :) [14:44] hehe, I am use it every day... to be honest I don't see any major bug [14:44] All minor ones really:D [14:45] smartboyhw, well, we need to fix bugs so, we need to use it [14:46] in your opinions, if you have a 64bit capable machine, would you always use 64bit versions? [14:46] better to have more people testing [14:46] CrusaderAD, I am use 64bit for past 2 years [14:46] everaldo, ya sure you are a good dev! [14:46] theres only two things that I don't lie [14:46] like [14:46] everaldo oh ya? what's that? [14:46] when use skype lots of 32 bit libraries got installed [14:47] and the same for android sdk, it is 32bit only [14:47] hm, do you prefer the performance of 64bit over 32bit? [14:47] it is not a real problem but I don't like to have this 32bit libraries installed just because skype and android sdk don't release a 64 bit [14:47] but I still prefer 64 [14:48] I see [14:48] * smartboyhw prefers 64-bit libs too [14:48] CrusaderAD, I can't measure performance since I don't use 32 anumore [14:48] anymore [14:49] I recently bought an Acer Aspire S3 (it's the one pictured on ubuntu's homepage) and I do notice a few things wrong with it on the 64bit version, I can't edge scroll on the touchpad and the wireless takes about 2 minutes to connect after I login... not sure if it's 64bit related or not, might have to try out the 32bit version [14:50] CrusaderAD, I would like to hear about your experiences with this computer, maybe a blog post about it? [14:50] also, if you install a 32 bit and compare problens [14:50] it will be amazing! [14:50] everaldo I just may have to do that :) [14:50] I am sure that lots of people will interest on hear about this [14:50] there aren't a whole lot of comparisons out there [14:51] CrusaderAD, btw, do you know this links: [14:51] http://www.linlap.com/wiki/acer+aspire+s3 [14:51] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireS3 [14:51] ? [14:52] everaldo oh snap! no I didn't, thanks! [14:52] smartboyhw, btw, we need to have a multitouch on GNOME3, will be nice to use gesture to open a overview like in OSX [14:52] everaldo, wow [14:54] CrusaderAD, I brougth a computer 5 months ago [14:55] at that time I was between aspire s3, mac air and one vaio [14:55] brougth a air but I still want have a S3 [14:56] everaldo they're nice, light and solid... I really have no complaints [14:57] I was on the fence about the air too, do you like it? did you drop ubuntu on it? [14:59] CrusaderAD, well, the mid 2011 model is perfect for linux, really, never see a hardware so compatible with linux and ubuntu [14:59] CrusaderAD, but I don't know if is the same with mid 2012 model [14:59] I had a macbook pro and it work ok [15:00] so some friends also brought one but a more recent model [15:00] and for then wireless was a hell [15:00] CrusaderAD, on my air I run ubuntu 99% of time [15:01] just remember last time I use OSX [15:01] * everaldo just remember that found a better way to boot ubuntu on mac and need to doc it [15:01] everaldo, good:D [15:02] smartboyhw, I just create a fat32 very small partition and: [15:03] http://pastebin.com/iWtwsarm [15:03] and it just using efi [15:03] WOW [15:04] without use refit or any other thing [15:04] and also if you press "alt" when starting machine the mac firmware recognize partition and show it [15:06] everaldo cool, air doesn't have retina, I saw Ubuntu on a retina and everything was so small cause the resolution was so high... pretty neat [15:08] CrusaderAD, you can change font dpi and it get bigger [15:09] using gnome-tweak-tool [15:10] cool [15:19] nice chatting with you guys, ttyl [15:22] jbicha, just search for the icons used on ubuntu syslinux, not easy available and it is not gnome's symbolic icon [15:30] everaldo: apt-get source syslinux-themes-ubuntu [15:32] I see access.pcx and blank.pcx [15:57] jbicha, yes, I have it but it is purple, we need the symbols transparent or in svg [15:57] anyway, I will try colorize in gimp [15:58] sometimes it works === gonyere_ is now known as gonyere [16:03] everaldo: maybe try looking at the commit log and figure out who created the images to begin with [16:03] good idea [16:04] since it's GPL3, it probably should have the original source included but often times that principle is ignored for image files [16:26] jbicha, the fast solution was to change the color backgorund just a little bit [16:26] you can event see the differences [16:26] change to a color that I can obtain using gimp colorizer [16:28] just changed from 4169a4 to 4069a7 [16:30] jbicha, our text background in grub is #133773 but the current syslinux color is 4169a4 [16:30] what the right color? [16:31] um, the right color is as close as we can get to what grub will be using [16:31] ah, ok, I will change syslinux color [17:01] jbicha, done. https://code.launchpad.net/~ecanuto/+junk/iso-build-script [17:01] jbicha, but I can't propose merge so you must give me access or commit your self [17:02] (last 3 revisions in my branch) [17:07] * everaldo needs to restart [18:20] just finished to generate my daily iso [18:20] everything ok [19:49] robert_ancell, what happened to this upload? I cant find it and doesnt appear to have been released? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/1057841 [19:49] Ubuntu bug 1057841 in gdm (Ubuntu) "After logging into unity or gnome classic, I can't switch users. Goes to lock screen. Using GDM" [High,Triaged] [19:49] darkxst, an archive admin rejected it but I don't know why (the rejection system doesn't indicate why) [19:53] darkxst, oh, the reasoning is in bug 1055359 [19:53] Launchpad bug 1055359 in gdm (Ubuntu Quantal) "GDM package fails to uninstall if GDM not running" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1055359 [19:58] robert_ancell, oh right, would have been nice to have the user switchnig fix in quantal, but I guess its too late now [19:58] darkxst, yeah, will have to SRU it [20:02] it could still get in before final release [20:13] http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell/commit/?id=0e01a81219e16969011860be134bccd111930368 [20:26] jbicha, ok, and I suppose this will need to be a SRU as well? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1063110 [20:26] Ubuntu bug 1063110 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "ubuntu lock on suspend option breaks when suspending via userMenu" [Undecided,New] [21:53] jbicha, who did you speak with about potential lightDM support in gnome-shell? clearly gcampax is not really keen on the idea! [21:58] yeah, he wasn't in Boston [21:59] Ray Strode & Jasper St. Pierre seemed interested in working with lightdm, especially if lightdm could use gnome-shell as a greeter/lock screen [22:00] and he is responsible for most of the gdm only code! [22:01] they said that they hacked a way for the lock screen greeter to not need vt switching which was a big problem when unity-greeter tried handling the lock screen several months ago [22:02] ironically, gdm has become a bit more similar to lightdm, especially if they drop the fallback mode like they want to [22:03] but lightdm's big advantage is that it is cross-desktop; a distro could ship lightdm as the foundation for all of the flavors they support [22:20] yes that would seem logical! as nice as the gdm/gnome-shell integration is, it does present problems [23:10] jbicha, something I have been thinking about for 13.04 is to have some sort of 'migration mode'. It would be a carefully selected set of shell extensions, that would ease the mental transition to gnome-shell. Then users can turn them off one-by-one as they get used to the new interface [23:13] for example many new shell users complain about lack of traditional application menu, or bottom panel. [23:14] But give them a few weeks and they will probably realise they don't even use these anymore! [23:14] darkxst: in Boston we discussed getting rid of fallback mode [23:14] jbicha, not talking about fallback mode [23:15] in the shell proper [23:15] gonyere suggested that we officially support a set of extensions that bring back some of the gnome2 feel [23:15] like the applications and places menu extensions [23:16] there will be more discussion, but I think that compromise position could stick [23:16] GNOME doesn't really like the idea of distro's packaging extensions [23:17] but Jasper was talking about adding a "download rpm" button to extensions.gnome.org; adding a "download deb" button shouldn't be too difficult [23:17] yeh I know, Jasper was hinting at package kit support for extensions at one stage though [23:17] that way there is an answer for sysadmins [23:18] and extensions should auto-update some day... [23:18] yeh that didnt make it for 3.6 [23:19] he remembered that you had written some extensions (since he's one of the main reviewers on the site) [23:19] not so much anymore, he has a couple of review slaves now ;) [23:21] though he has also reviewed some of my bug fixes also [23:31] jbicha, are you planning to have ubuntu-gnome session at UDS? [23:59] jbicha, are you planning to have ubuntu-gnome session at UDS?