[07:24] <diplo> Morning all
[07:32] <daubers> o/
[07:36] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[07:54] <diplo> morning brobostigon
[07:58] <brobostigon> morning diplo
[08:06]  * daubers is having many eye problems this mornin
[08:06] <daubers> g
[08:08] <diplo> And typing...
[08:08] <diplo> :P
[08:13] <czajkowski> everyone see my new pet project :) hackntalk.org/hello-world/
[08:20] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :-D
[08:24] <daubers> czajkowski: Interesting....... London based I assume?
[08:24] <czajkowski> daubers: anywhere I cna find a venue
[08:24] <czajkowski> I'm not fixed in London
[08:24] <czajkowski> as long as I can get to it to oversee it
[08:24] <czajkowski> I'm flexible :)
[08:25] <daubers> So somewhere on a direct train route from London then :p
[08:25] <daubers> czajkowski: Instant venue option.... since what you're talking about is a bit like hackspace open evenings (with the addition of a talk), ask the hackspaces for space :)
[08:26] <mattt> yeah
[08:26] <mattt> interesting, but kinda vague :)
[08:26] <czajkowski> daubers: nice idea
[08:26] <daubers> czajkowski: I'll chuck it out to the people at Reading this evening
[08:27] <czajkowski> daubers: thanks
[08:27] <czajkowski> just need it for one sautday 10-4/5
[08:27] <mattt> daubers: rdggeek was last night :(
[08:27] <czajkowski> 2 rooms ideally
[08:27] <czajkowski> one room for talks
[08:27] <czajkowski> 1 room for demo/hacking on stuff
[08:27] <czajkowski> or showing things off which is also a demo but you know what I mean
[08:27] <czajkowski> :)
[08:27] <daubers> mattt: I can't do that one, too much going on. Always try to get to the hackspace on a wednesday evening
[08:28] <daubers> czajkowski: Indeed! Reading hackspace is a bit small for that, but there are options. I'd suspect Bristol/London/Nottingham would be quite interested though
[08:28] <czajkowski> nods
[08:28] <czajkowski> but you get the idea
[08:28] <czajkowski> if you miss one
[08:28] <czajkowski> you cna cathc another on 4 months later
[08:29] <czajkowski> and not fel you have to wait a year :)
[08:29] <daubers> Yup.
[08:30] <mattt> the #rdggeek space isn't too bad
[08:30] <daubers> Copa?
[08:30] <mattt> they end up using the whole basement floor on a tuesday evening
[08:30] <mattt> yep
[08:30] <mattt> but i doubt you could get that for a while saturday :)
[08:43] <bootlfdhfrsa> Just in case Anyone wants a good book :: http://mad.ly/04f523?pact=12145030818&fe=1 HumbleIndieBundle
[08:46] <bootlfdhfrsa> AlanBell, Just wondering what was the wisdom behind your post on G+ this morning ... ??
[08:47] <bootlfdhfrsa> Oh, I see now .. I responded to your Post.
[08:50] <SuperMatt> only 8 days till quantal!
[08:50] <SuperMatt> I hope my t-shirt arrives before then
[08:55] <mattt> SuperMatt: i can make you a tshirt
[08:56] <mattt> SuperMatt: 1/2 price
[08:56] <SuperMatt> I can make my own t-shirt
[08:56]  * SuperMatt strokes his sewing machine
[08:56] <mattt> :)
[08:56]  * mattt has memories of the 'wan buy dvd' fonejacker skit
[08:59] <SuperMatt> I have never watched fonejacker
[08:59] <mattt> it's not really worth it
[08:59] <SuperMatt> fair enough
[08:59] <mattt> there are a handful of calls that are hilarious, the rest are rubbish
[08:59] <SuperMatt> I shan't bother with it
[09:00] <mattt> SuperMatt: this one's funny: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwwTFElMX7w
[09:01] <mattt> SuperMatt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pe3cqLPhN-I
[09:02] <SuperMatt> I might have to watch those later, my boss just came in
[09:04] <gord> \o/ working from home, all the youtubes you can eat
[09:06] <mattt> gord: i'd be eating more than just youtube at home
[09:06]  * mattt would be triple x
[09:06] <SuperMatt> I *could* work from home
[09:07] <SuperMatt> maybe I need to set up some kind of vpn from my office to home
[09:07] <SuperMatt> my ip address always changes though :(
[09:23] <bootlfdhfrsa> AlanBell, You must be away from keyboard.
[09:24] <AlanBell> why is that then?
[09:34] <Myrtti> $timeofday
[09:35] <Myrtti> ho-hum
[10:01] <bootlfdhfrsa> AlanBell, Oh maybe you there.. I'm still discussing my earlier posts on goole plus .. see 09:43AM
[10:04] <bootlfdhfrsa> We're just wondering if the same thing could be done for the likes of the book that the Ubuntu Dev Team introduced to me this summer ( debian adminstrators handbook ) [ http://debian-handbook.info/ }
[10:13] <davmor2> morning all
[11:31]  * AlanBell has a new toy
[11:31] <AlanBell> motorised webcam \o/
[11:32] <kirrus> AlanBell: so.. are you gunna give us all access? ;)
[11:32] <AlanBell> sure :)
[11:32] <kirrus> \o/
[11:33] <AlanBell> http://mumble.libertus.co.uk:8080/index1.htm
[11:33] <AlanBell> operator/operator to control it
[11:33] <AlanBell> might have to enter it a few times, the admin interface is a bit rubbish
[11:33] <AlanBell> http://mumble.libertus.co.uk/ view only mjpeg stream here
[11:34] <kirrus> awesome
[11:35] <kirrus> Well.. the controls don't work
[11:35] <kirrus> ;)
[11:35] <kirrus> At least for me!
[11:35] <kirrus> enough play time .. looks neat though
[11:36] <AlanBell> controls are a bit rubish over the WAN
[11:36] <kirrus> gunna see if you can put a better control interface on?
[11:36] <AlanBell> yeah, might do
[11:36] <AlanBell> I have been looking at the javascript from the UI, it kind of reloads a page on mousedown and mouseup which means it is rubbish for high latency
[11:37] <AlanBell> and the video stream is mjpeg which is a bit rubish for streaming, so I might use VLC to transcode it to something else
[11:42]  * AlanBell has sriracha in mushroom soup for lunch
[11:50] <diplo> Attention: Propose using 1024 * 768 screen resolution
[11:50] <diplo> :D
[11:50] <AlanBell> yeah!
[11:51] <diplo> How very early 00's
[11:51] <AlanBell> for £35 I am not going to complain about a bit of chinglish in the UI
[11:52]  * diplo gives up on trying to log in
[11:52] <diplo> I re-wrote front ends for Axis network cameras
[11:52] <diplo> into our company specific one
[11:54] <AlanBell> the mjpeg stream is behind basic auth so I can put http://guest:guest@mumble.libertus.co.uk:8080/videostream.cgi in an img tag to just have it display
[11:55] <diplo> yeah I did that on ours
[11:56] <Dave2> IT'S AM EMPTY CHAIR
[11:56] <AlanBell> I forwarded the port via SSH to our server in Germany
[11:56] <diplo> Most of ours were really quite old, but I had 36 cameras attached to a nas storing jpgs/mpegs
[11:56] <diplo> and scripts to convert jpgs to avi's if needed
[11:58] <davmor2> AlanBell: failed: exceed max clients. I'm amazed at how popular your new gadget has become :D
[11:58] <diplo> I want two network cameras for my network at home
[11:59] <diplo> front/read doors
[11:59] <AlanBell> davmor2: well I am tempted to write something to control it better and stream it better that should not have any limits
[11:59] <Dave2> no no, no no no no, no no no no, no no there's no limit
[12:00] <diplo> Got a link to the camera AlanBell, got me interested :)
[12:00] <AlanBell> also need to get it battery powered so I can put it in the chicken house
[12:00] <AlanBell> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00432J56G
[12:00] <diplo> ta
[12:00] <AlanBell> found it using the shopping lens :)
[12:00] <diplo> hah
[12:00] <Dave2> is it R2D2?
[12:01] <diplo> ooh, defo interested now.. wireless and night vision
[12:01] <Dave2> You can control it anythere in the world.
[12:01] <diplo> hardest part would be getting power to them for me.
[12:01] <Dave2> "Spy Night Vision Girl Goggles"
[12:02] <Dave2> I think them being bright pink somewhat detracts from that
[12:02] <diplo> Dave2: Search for a axis network camera string in google, you can find 100's not set up correctly
[12:02] <Dave2> yeah
[12:02] <Dave2> it was more the "anythere"
[12:03] <Dave2> wait what, since when has Amazon done ads on other sites
[13:29] <arsen> has anyone ever developed a 'top'-like app to display various other information related to say.. my own application monitoring etc?
[13:32] <bigcalm> GAH!
[13:32] <bigcalm> I'm having an argument on the internet. I should be locked up for my own good
[13:33] <kirrus> arsen: theres like.. mytop and varnishtop
[13:45] <christel> hahaha
[13:47] <bigcalm> Ello christel my dear :)
[13:48] <christel> hi hi bigarguementative
[13:48] <bigcalm> :P
[13:48] <arsen> ok kirrus - ill google them, thanks :)
[13:48] <bigcalm> Am I going to have to put that in my highlight list now?
[13:49] <arsen> i just want a framework for developing a tool monitoring various key server stats/logs/etc
[13:49] <daubers> arsen: You want cacti or something like that then
[13:50] <daubers> (or just make it from scratch (tm))
[13:50] <arsen> yeah we already employ zabbix
[13:50] <arsen> but im more interested in a live view on-host
[13:50] <arsen> not that zabbix is great, but zabbix/cacti/nagios style monitoring is too slow for this purpose.
[14:02] <directhex> iotop!
[14:02] <directhex> nettop!
[14:03] <arsen> yeah but .. i want to do my own one :D
[14:03] <arsen> pulling in a combo of stuff, in one display.
[14:04] <arsen> namely tail a few logs, or even a 'watch -n1 wc -l' type thing, combined with top for certain processes, a multicast monitoring system etcetc
[14:04] <arsen> with colours and ASCII art. :D
[14:04] <arsen> ^ optional.
[15:25] <Laney> https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NrlIK_ArzeM
[17:30] <diplo> evening all
[17:41] <geekmeplease> Anyone here ever installed Matplotlib to OSX?
[17:42] <geekmeplease> See http://dpaste.com/812055/
[17:42] <MartijnVdS> While Ubuntu might look like OS X, it's not OS X :)
[17:43] <geekmeplease> MartijnVdS: Yes, I know, but I normally use Ubuntu, but I have now only OSX.
[17:43] <geekmeplease> * it is difficult for me to think in OSX
[17:43] <MartijnVdS> osxese
[17:44] <MartijnVdS> installing on OSX is either drag & drop from a .dmg into your "Applications" folder
[17:44] <MartijnVdS> or a double-click in the same .dmg to start an installer that does that for you
[17:44] <geekmeplease> Yes, but not when installing Matplotlib
[17:44] <geekmeplease> it is like in Ubuntu, but need to everything yourself
[17:44] <MartijnVdS> ah
[17:44] <MartijnVdS> macports? or whatever it's called these days
[17:44] <mgdm> go and look at either Homebrew or Macports instead?
[17:44] <MartijnVdS> that's what you're looking for, I think
[17:45] <mgdm> I prefer homebrew, personallu
[17:45] <geekmeplease> mgdm: Does not look promising: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12363557/matplotlib-install-failure-on-mac-osx-10-8-mountain-lion
[17:45] <geekmeplease> They have same problems in all those tools
[17:46] <mgdm> well, there's a sample size of one
[17:47] <geekmeplease> ok, I will try it
[17:48] <geekmeplease> I will just download the binaries and make and install it - a lot easier.
[17:50] <geekmeplease> * ok, no such process exists, and python setup.py install uses the same procedure as the first one
[18:29] <shauno> any suggestions for a more efficient alternative to dd?  (I want to dump a full disk, including boot block, fs labels, etc.  but it's a 40GB disk with 1GB of data, so it seems silly to dump 39GB of slack)
[18:33] <directhex> dump it where?
[18:33] <shauno> hopefully a different disk on the same system, but netcat as an alternative
[18:33] <shauno> (I'm not booted from the disk I'm trying to copy)
[18:34] <directhex> you could use http://www.bouncybouncy.net/programs/blocksync.py with a sparse 20G file as the target
[18:34] <shauno> just an awkward machine.  usb1 & 10meg ether, so trying to avoid moving all 40GB if I can
[18:35] <directhex> er, sparse 40G file as target
[18:35] <directhex> the point is it does a blockwise copy but md5sums at both ends to see if the data is the same or not and only copies if needed
[18:35] <MartijnVdS> isn't that like rsync?
[18:36] <ali1234> doesn't rsync only do whole files?
[18:36] <directhex> rsync isn't blockwise though, this is for shuffling lvm volumes around
[18:36] <ali1234> thing is
[18:36] <ali1234> dd | gzip would probably be just as efficient, if you just want to skip zeros
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> ah
[18:36] <ali1234> because you have to read it to know it's zeros
[18:37] <shauno> it's a 10yo disk, I can't promise slack space is zero'd
[18:37] <ali1234> hmm so you need something filesystem-aware?
[18:38] <shauno> it would be handy.  I'm considering just tar & gz and recreating the target volumes by hand  (I just need to match UUID & label, nothing fancy)
[18:40] <ali1234> i don't know of anything unfortunately
[18:43] <shauno> I think I'll just try gzip and find a movie to watch then
[18:44] <shauno> trying to move some redhat6 boxes into VMs while they're still bootable.  great fun
[19:04] <shauno> looks like the disk is going to end up being the bottleneck.  getting 500kB/s.  oh well.  I have until Monday :)
[19:56] <AlanBell> anyone know how to restream an mjpeg stream with ffmpeg
[19:59] <mgdm> 'restream' in what sense?
[19:59] <mgdm> as in play it out again over the network?
[19:59] <AlanBell> well I have an mjpeg stream from an IP camera
[20:00] <AlanBell> I want to restream that in a lighter format so that it can keep up
[20:00] <MartijnVdS> don't mjpeg cams just drop frames if you happen to be on a slow link?
[20:01] <mgdm> not sure about ffmpeg - you could look into mjpeg_streamer maybe, though
[20:01] <AlanBell> http://mumble.libertus.co.uk/
[20:01] <AlanBell> that is the camera in night vision mode
[20:02] <AlanBell> it seems better now than it was earlier, it was just getting behind
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> can't it do h.264?
[20:03] <MartijnVdS> what kind of camera is it? (brand/model)
[20:05] <AlanBell> http://www.rewont.com/web/enProductshow-51.html tenvis  JPT3815w
[20:06] <AlanBell> the night vision thing is really good
[20:10] <AlanBell> and the firmware upload format is kind of simple, might be able to hack my own web interface onto it
[20:22] <popey> ooh thats good
[20:22] <popey> AlanBell, where did you get it? which specific one?
[20:23] <AlanBell> http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00432J56G
[20:32] <dwatkins> AlanBell: how much upload bandwidth do you have?
[20:32] <dwatkins> I ask because I have about 1 MBit and I'm wondering if I could stream something like a camera or not.
[20:37] <AlanBell> dwatkins: about 16mbit
[20:37] <AlanBell> but that is going over SSH to Germany and back
[20:37] <AlanBell> just cutting out that link at the moment
[20:42] <dwatkins> AlanBell: oh wow, quite a bit more than my home internet upload bandwidth :)
[20:43] <dwatkins> I'd like to do timelapse videos as well, but I'm guessing that's easy enough with wget and ffmpeg
[20:46] <chambs> Is anyone else unable to change to a custom colour scheme in gnome-terminal in 12.10b2?
[20:46] <chambs> I can select it from the dropdown, but none of the colours I've selected show up
[20:47] <chambs> Changes I make in gconf-editor also don't seem to have any effect
[20:48] <chambs> Ah ignore all that - fixed it
[20:49] <chambs> Can't do without zenburn :)
[20:58] <jonathonf> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/questions
[20:58] <jonathonf> hmph
[21:01] <popey> jonathonf, i think you're some way off with your G+ post
[21:02] <jonathonf> "tell us what you think is important and we’ll put your cash towards improving your favourite features"
[21:03] <jonathonf> i may be misreading that, but it seems as though feedback counts when it comes with money
[21:03] <popey> you are
[21:04] <jonathonf> so why not just a donate button?
[21:04] <jonathonf> donate if you want, vote if you want
[21:07] <AlanBell> top tip, get the default gateway setting right on devices you want to port forward through your router
[21:10]  * AlanBell wonders if canonical will provide a VAT receipt for these payments
[21:20] <jonathonf> ok, well, i can't say anything else without sounding a bit snarky (phrasing a criticism is difficult) so i'll just point out i don't think it looks good; it seems as though it's prioritising the needs of people with money which isn't what Ubuntu was supposed to be about.
[21:23] <ali1234> i like having a choice
[21:23] <ali1234> linux is all about choice you know
[21:24] <ali1234> my question is will canonical produce a report on where the money went, like wikipedia does, for example?
[21:24] <czajkowski> jonathonf: no it's a case of if folks want to donate great, and if you cant that's also fine
[21:24] <czajkowski> ali1234: yes I think there will be, how frequent or when I dn't know
[21:25] <czajkowski> *don't
[21:25] <ali1234> cool
[21:25]  * czajkowski goes back to sleep
[21:25] <AlanBell> is the Ubuntu Foundation involved in it?
[21:26] <christel> the donate button doesnt work!
[21:26] <christel> :o
[21:26] <czajkowski> unsure tbh. I thought it was Canonical doing it
[21:26] <czajkowski> perhaps jono would know ali1234
[21:26] <czajkowski> AlanBell^
[21:27] <jonathonf> oh it's being updated
[21:27] <jonathonf> THANK YOU!
[21:28] <jonathonf> "Or, alternatively, help out in the bug tracker ;)"
[21:28] <jonathonf> _that's_ what it needs
[21:30] <ali1234> so as a unity hater, do i donate to the desktop in the hopes it will get fixed, or do i donate nothing to it in the knowledge that it will just fund further disimprovements?
[21:31] <jonathonf> wait... it's a random title.. bah
[21:31] <ali1234> also, you need to get google checkout because i'm not touching paypal
[21:32] <AlanBell> !dvd
[21:32] <popey> AlanBell, no
[21:32] <popey> ali1234, yes, I already asked if they would add more payment providers
[21:33] <jonathonf> ali1234: i guess that could go under "better coordination with Debian and upstreams" ?
[21:33] <ali1234> jonathonf: nah, "better support for flavours" would be my choice, except that gnome isn't listed
[21:33] <ali1234> and if it was no doubt it would be gnome shell
[21:34] <ali1234> i heard that the gnome classic in ubuntu 12.04 is actually quite different to the upstream one
[21:34] <popey> i cant see gnome shell getting any love
[21:34] <ali1234> so i wonder who is maintaining that
[21:35] <jonathonf> ali1234: i switched from gnome-shell to cinnamon and haven't looked back
[21:36] <ali1234> cinnamon is gnome shell
[21:36] <ali1234> it has all the same problems
[21:37] <jonathonf> have to admit 1.6 is working well for me - what sort of problems?
[21:37] <ali1234> rubbish multimonitor support
[21:38] <jonathonf> how so rubbish? (not doubting you, wanting to know ;)
[21:39] <ali1234> can you put a panel on the second monitor?
[21:39] <ali1234> can you have multiple workspaces on the second monitor?
[21:39] <ali1234> can you even move the panels at all?
[21:40] <ali1234> can you use indicators with it? gnome terrible without them
[21:40] <jonathonf> 1) not a separate panel, but you can stretch them across both
[21:40] <ali1234> stretching them won't work, my monitors are different sizes
[21:41] <jonathonf> 2) Almost. There seems to be a bug with Expo
[21:41] <jonathonf> 2) cont. but it mostly works as multiple desktops
[21:41] <jonathonf> 3) top or bottom or both. not sides which is a bit limiting
[21:41] <jonathonf> 4) indicators, yes. full notification support.
[21:42] <ali1234> notifications aren't the same as indicators
[21:43] <jonathonf> indicators as in the new system tray whatsit?
[21:43] <ali1234> indicator-applet-complete
[21:43] <AlanBell> it is the new standard
[21:43] <AlanBell> now we have two standards \o/
[21:43] <ali1234> yes, but the old one is so bad that nobody should ever use it
[21:44] <ali1234> can i have a clock and a start menu and a "tray" on both monitors, without everything shuffling around all the time?
[21:45] <ali1234> oh and a volume control and messaging widget and networking widget
[21:46] <jonathonf> hmm... i thought i had an indicator-applet but maybe i don't...
[21:46] <ali1234> most of that simply doesn't work in vanilla gnome, in 2 because their whole applet system is broken for multimonitor and in shell because they've just given up on multimonitor and you can't have any panels or widgets on the second monitor at all
[21:46] <ali1234> but indicators fixed all that
[21:46] <shauno> if anyone's curious, a tool named 'zerofree' saved the day.  zeroes unused blocks on ext2/3, so I got the 40GB disk down to a 1.1GB gzip
[21:47] <ali1234> shauno: nice one. i was going to suggest just filling unused space with cat /dev/zero > filler but i figured hat would take just as long as cloning the full disk
[21:48] <jonathonf> shauno: if that's a vm disk image there's an application CloneVDI (free, runs in WINE) that will do the same as zerofree but also works for NTFS/FAT
[21:48] <shauno> zerofree took 12 minutes, then about 30 for dd|gzip.  before zerofree, it was looking closer to 25 hours (they're very underpowered machines, 700MHz VIA)
[21:49] <shauno> jonathonf: they're not yet, but should be by the end of the night :)
[21:51] <ali1234> jonathonf: this is what my desktop looks like https://plus.google.com/117474986382867317779/posts/82D6UjGZh6L
[21:51] <ali1234> most of the things i like about it can't be reproduced in any other desktop
[21:52] <ali1234> the theme is ubuntu, the indicators are ubuntu...
[21:52] <popey> retro
[21:53] <ali1234> yes, it's still the best desktop i've ever used
[21:53] <ali1234> no other distro ever polished anything up this good
[21:55] <ali1234> popey: look, i was even considering making a tutorial video on how i did it back then...
[21:56] <ali1234> i should do it
[21:56] <popey> :)
[21:56] <popey> you should
[21:56] <ali1234> though the multimonitor stuff is kind of hard to do in a video
[21:56] <ali1234> the tricky part was recording the login screen
[21:57] <ali1234> someone asked a question about screenshotting the login screen recently, but not video
[21:57] <AlanBell> tripod+camera
[21:58] <ali1234> i've done it before, but it always sucks
[21:59] <ali1234> i could just edit it in
[21:59] <ali1234> or fake it with a vm
[22:01] <ali1234> or buy a HD capture card
[22:04] <popey> i have one of them
[22:04] <popey> black magick thing
[22:07] <ali1234> internal or external?
[22:07] <popey> both
[22:07] <ali1234> theinternal one has a usb port on the inside
[22:07] <popey> external usb vga capture
[22:07] <popey> and internal pcie one
[22:08] <ali1234> what's the usb port for?
[22:08] <popey> didnt know it had one
[22:08] <ali1234> http://www.jigsaw24.com/product-details/x627ana
[22:08] <ali1234> top left corner
[22:08] <ali1234> mini usb
[22:08] <popey> no idea
[22:08]  * popey gets it out of the box
[22:09] <ali1234> i would guess usermode firmware flashing
[22:09] <popey> " This port is for internal programming and will not be used by the customer in most cases."
[22:09] <ali1234> right-o
[22:09] <AlanBell> ooh
[22:10] <popey> we have used these to do some of the ubuntu promo videos
[22:10] <ali1234> what software does it use?
[22:10] <ali1234> v4l2?
[22:10] <popey> their own
[22:10] <popey> they have a kernel driver
[22:10] <ali1234> hmm
[22:10] <popey> and I think you can hook up to it with other apps like vlc
[22:10] <ali1234> that goes for both versions?
[22:10] <popey> but they ship their own desktop tool
[22:11] <popey> the external one I have isnt black magic
[22:11] <ali1234> ah ok
[22:11] <popey> http://www.epiphan.com/products/frame-grabbers/vga2usb/
[22:11] <popey> one of them
[22:11] <ali1234> i wouldn't really trust USB tbh... it would have to compress it a lot
[22:12] <ali1234> so i'd get the pci-e one anyway... but then i have to have another desktop PC
[22:12] <ali1234> not a laptop for example... but then a laptop probably couldn't handle the bandwidth anyway
[22:12] <ali1234> not any of mine at least
[22:14] <popey> any of you using thunderbird can you go to Tools -> Import and see if you can import mail?
[22:14] <popey> I get a blank screen in there making it impossible
[22:15] <ali1234> wfm, on 12.04
[22:16] <popey> what do you see after the "please select the type of file that you would like to import" screen?
[22:16] <ali1234> file?
[22:17] <popey> hmm, wonder what populates that
[22:17] <popey> its blank
[22:17] <ali1234> i see "seamonkey 2 or later"
[22:18] <popey> http://imgur.com/KfqWS
[22:19] <ali1234> http://i.imm.io/Hr0Y.png
[22:20] <ali1234> that's the first thing i see
[22:21] <popey> click mail
[22:21] <ali1234> ah yeah, blank
[22:21] <ali1234> presumably it wants a unix mailbox?
[22:21] <ali1234> or... i dunno
[22:25] <popey> yeah, I've used it in the long past
[22:30] <ali1234> http://i.imm.io/Hr42.png
[22:30] <ali1234> this is why i don't use thunderbird
[22:30] <Azelphur> lol
[22:31] <ali1234> it's not even correct
[22:31] <ali1234> i only have about 40000 unread emails
[22:31] <ali1234> it must be counting dupes where a message has two labels
[22:32] <Darael> In fairness to it, I've not encountered another client that correctly handled GMail labels over IMAP.
[22:34] <ali1234> i have. the mail app on android and the mail app on symbian
[22:34] <ali1234> both do a better job than thunderbird
[22:34] <ali1234> thunderbird is mostly ok though, after the initial 16 hour sync
[22:35] <Darael> Somewhat amusing, really, that mobile clients can do a better job of understanding labels than desktop ones.
[22:35] <ali1234> well the nokia/symbian one goes through a proxy
[22:36] <popey> Azelphur / directhex you on the steam beta?
[22:36] <Darael> And the Android GMail app isn't designed for arbitrary IMAP accounts, just GMail ones.  Unless th'art talking about some specific vendor one?
[22:36] <Azelphur> popey: it isn't out yet
[22:36] <Azelphur> they only have a private internal thing, no public members have it yet afaik
[22:40] <directhex> popey: :o no :(
[22:41] <popey> :(
[22:52] <directhex> popey: the steam beta is open now then?
[22:53] <popey> dunno, i thought some people were signed up
[23:05] <ali1234> hey does 12.04 server usually have a fancy coloured shell prompt?
[23:09] <Darael> Mine does, but I've deliberately got it set up that way, partly so I can tell I'm in zsh rather than bash.  My Precise server's bash prompt is without colour.
[23:10] <ali1234> probably a customization the hosts have done
[23:11] <ali1234> Darael: btw this might not have come through. i was talking about the gmail app but android 4.0 has a generic "email" app. it looks very similar to the gmail one.
[23:11] <ali1234> with the logos removed
[23:11] <ali1234> at least, cyanogen has it
[23:11] <ali1234> i didn't actually try it though
[23:12] <Darael> ali1234: Ah.  I've seen several vendor-specific ones but I've not played with ICS, cyanogen or otherwise.  Most of the vendor-produced ones follow the GMail one's style, which can be confusing...
[23:15] <ali1234> hmm thunderbird just said i have 170000 unread emails now
[23:44] <shauno> this VM migration isn't going so well :/  the resulting .vmdk doesn't have labels on the filesystems (and appears more partitions than the original)