[02:10] <dzho> Cheri703: thank you, but I stand by my aesthetic judgement :-)
[02:23] <Cheri703> hehe, fair enough :) some people get mad because they think it isn't a real word :)
[04:14]  * thafreak just rooted his first android device...
[04:15] <canthus13> Finally.
[04:15]  * canthus13 had his rooted 10 minutes out of the box.
[04:15] <canthus13> ...Only because the machine I was doing the rooting from was so freaking slow.
[04:20] <thafreak> Well, my first phone required me to downgrade the os first and a bunch of other stuff...so I never bothered
[04:20] <thafreak> until I got my new one
[04:21] <thafreak> then I couldn't finish the rooting of my old one, because the old android required you to setup a google account before you could do anything
[04:21] <thafreak> and that required data service...but i cancelled my phone service well before then
[04:21] <thafreak> SO, turns out you can get a prepaid sim card from tmobile for like $1
[04:22] <thafreak> and it has enough time on it to get you past that first screen
[04:23]  * canthus13 nods.
[04:24] <thafreak> looks like the newest cyanogen i can put on here is 6...which is ~android 2.2
[04:25] <thafreak> atleast it's a tad newer than what I had on there...and maybe performs a bit better too
[04:26] <thafreak> well that's kinda lame
[04:26] <thafreak> they gave me $3.34 with the sim card
[04:27] <thafreak> and i chose the $2/day plan (since it included data)
[04:27] <thafreak> i started using it around 9pm
[04:27] <thafreak> now that it's after midnight, it's saying my balance is too low
[04:27] <thafreak> lol
[04:27] <canthus13> Heh.
[04:27] <thafreak> oh well...I paid $1, and got $3.34 credit too...not bad
[04:28] <thafreak> plus they shipped it overnight UPS for free for some odd reason
[04:29] <canthus13> Weird.
[04:30] <thafreak> i thought so
[04:30] <thafreak> you could get standard shipping free...or overnight for $0.00
[04:30] <thafreak> so...i selected overnight...I ordered it last night, it was at my door by 2:30pm today
[04:33] <thafreak> well, now I have a spare phone I can use on wifi networks, and in a pinch, can grab a pre-paid card at a gas station to make calls with
[05:28] <Cheri703> thafreak: do you have google voice?
[14:26] <thafreak> Cheri703: yep, i have google voice
[14:26] <Cheri703> if you haven't already, check out grooveIP
[14:26] <Cheri703> you can make wifi calls with your google talk and google voice number
[14:27] <thafreak> I tried the free version once, but the call quality was pretty horrible
[14:28] <thafreak> I have csipsimple, that's a generic SIP client, going to play with that hooked up to my asterisk box first
[14:28] <Cheri703> I've got the paid version, and I don't know that it makes a huge difference, but I get great quality when I'm at home. sometimes it gets weird so I reboot the phone and it's fine.
[14:30] <thafreak> I may try the paid version...everyone says it's good...
[14:30] <thafreak> they should maybe make sure the free version doesn't scare people off though :)
[14:31] <thafreak> and I was running it on a stock phone...maybe this one with cyanogen would work better too...
[14:32]  * canthus13 is testing out awesome.
[14:38] <thafreak> the wm?
[14:38] <canthus13> yep.
[14:38] <thafreak> you turning into paultag ?
[14:38] <paultag> :D
[14:39] <canthus13> thafreak: nah. I just want something lighterweight.
[14:39] <paultag> tiling WMs are nice
[14:39] <canthus13> Gnome 3 likes to lock up on me a lot.
[14:39] <canthus13> 4GB and it'll still swap on occasion.
[14:40] <canthus13> (mostly due to chromium, but still...)
[14:54] <canthus13> ...ctrl-alt-<arrow> gives me letters instead of switching desktops.
[14:55] <paultag> canthus13: super
[14:55] <paultag> canthus13: super left / right, now. and they're not desktops, they're tags
[14:55] <paultag> also super 1-9
[14:55] <paultag> move a window with super-shift-N, where N is 1-9
[14:55] <paultag> can't remember if this is my awesome rc or default
[14:55] <paultag> but my bindings are different somehow
[14:56] <canthus13> paultag: I figured it out.
[14:56] <paultag> canthus13: want to have your mind blown? Super-ctrl-N
[14:56] <paultag> multi-tag views.
[14:56] <paultag> super-o to move windows between desktops
[14:57] <paultag> (screens)
[14:57] <canthus13> now that's cool.
[14:57] <paultag> yep.
[14:57] <paultag> super+space to change layout (top right)
[14:57] <paultag> super+shift+space to go back
[14:58] <paultag> you should remove ones you don't use
[14:58] <paultag> super-rightclick to resize with the mouse, otherwise super+hjkl
[14:59] <paultag> super+shift+jk to move windows
[14:59] <paultag> takes some getting used to
[14:59] <paultag> but it's nice.
[14:59] <paultag> not awesome
[14:59] <paultag> but nice.
[15:08] <dzho> > they're not desktops,  they're tags
[15:08] <dzho> and we have always been at war with Eastasia
[15:08] <paultag> hahahahahaha
[15:09] <paultag> dzho: well, the idea is your desktop can (at any time) be any set of tags
[15:09] <paultag> dzho: so you have one "desktop" per screen, you just change the tags behind it
[15:09] <paultag> so let's say all your chat is on tag2, and web on tag3, you can view tag2+3 together on the desktop
[15:09] <paultag> so there is actually a slight difference in meaning
[15:10] <dzho> also, the zeitgeist is that we're gearing to use these on non-desktop systems
[15:10] <dzho> which makes the whole "year of the Linux desktop" ever so much more the punchline these days
[15:11] <dzho> though how key combos translate to touch interfaces is a bit rough to contemplate
[15:14] <Cheri703> so I found out last night I'm getting a Samsung Galaxy Tab 7" (like...the original one, but still!) so now I have to figure out what the heck I'm going to use it for other than work things when doing errands
[15:14] <paultag> dude
[15:14] <paultag> everything
[15:14] <paultag> use it for all the things
[15:14] <Cheri703> but I have my phone! which is pretty massive already
[15:15] <Cheri703> I guess I need to figure out what stuff is tablet specific
[15:15] <paultag> :)
[15:15] <paultag> get another arm for it for your batwoman gave
[15:15] <paultag> cave*
[15:15] <Cheri703> might...
[15:16] <Cheri703> saw some interesting wall mount ideas that I might get for when I'm doing dishes/chores, because I need amusement
[15:16] <dzho> Cheri703: I got mine ostensibly to be an ebook reader, but now I (sadly) use it mostly for reddit (via Diode)
[15:16] <dzho> it's rooted, but now I really need to get cyanogenmod or something on it
[15:17] <Cheri703> I have a nook already! that's the thing
[15:17] <dzho> yeah, but nook doesn't give you amazon book access, does it?
[15:17] <dzho> see, I started with a gifted Kindle
[15:17] <paultag> you can if you root it, no?
[15:17] <dzho> paultag: they're computers, it's all just programming, right? :-)
[15:17] <paultag> :)
[15:17] <Cheri703> with this I will have: old android phone (that is used for specific things on occasion), current android phone, nook simple touch, samsung galaxy tab, netbook, desktop (not counting various other computers not in normal rotation)
[15:18] <Cheri703> paultag: I have mine rooted, it can run the kindle app
[15:18] <Cheri703> *dzho ^^
[15:18] <paultag> yep, right
[15:18] <dzho> ah
[15:18] <Cheri703> I have all the root
[15:18]  * dzho has not dared to try rooting his wife's Nook
[15:18] <dzho> now, that doesn't sound quite like it should
[15:18] <Cheri703> 3 rooted android devices already
[15:18] <Cheri703> soon to be 4
[15:18] <dzho> got CM on any?
[15:19] <Cheri703> cm7 on sprint hero, cm9 on samsung galaxy s2
[15:19] <Cheri703> probably run cmWhatever on the tab, but I don't know
[15:19] <Cheri703> it'll probably be for experimenting mostly :)
[15:20] <dzho> yeah, cm that sucker out of the box
[15:20] <Cheri703> theoretically cm10 should run on my phone once it's out
[15:21] <paultag> I can't find a CM over 7 that can run on my HTC Ace
[15:22] <Cheri703> well, on the S2, the hero I don't think can handle much above 7, haven't checked in a while
[15:45] <Cheri703> anyone recommend any tablet specific apps that are amazing?
[16:04]  * dzho watches with interest
[16:20] <paultag> haha
[16:26] <dzho> I guess I'd just say that at the 7" form factor the Hackers Keyboard is useable in a way I can't imagine it being on a smaller device.
[18:12] <canthus13> paultag: Where do you autostart stuff in awesome? (like nm-applet)
[18:12] <paultag> canthus13: I use fbautostart / wrapper around awesome wm
[18:12]  * canthus13 nods.
[18:12] <paultag> canthus13: my setup is non-standard, but you can get it by installing hairycandy-desktop
[18:12] <paultag> @ http://archive.pault.ag/
[18:13] <paultag> source for that is @ https://github.com/paultag/hairycandy and via dsc
[18:13] <paultag> this is what'll pull in - https://github.com/paultag/hairycandy/blob/master/debian/substvars.json.d/hairycandy-desktop
[18:14] <canthus13> k.
[19:25] <thafreak> hackers keyboard...that's what i was missing!
[19:26] <thafreak> thanks dzho
[19:26] <dzho> thafreak: glad to point it out!
[19:26] <dzho> thafreak: be sure to get it from f-droid, just to feed that whole FOSS love thing
[19:26] <dzho> we all using f-droid, right?
[19:27] <dzho> or, I don't know, cm has its own way of distributing this stuff, maybe.
[19:27] <thafreak> irssi connectbot works pretty well on this 7" tablet...but was stillmissing a few things
[19:27] <thafreak> what's an f-droid
[19:28] <dzho> free software android repository
[19:28] <dzho> think, google play or amazon app store
[19:28] <dzho> only, you know, FOSS
[19:29] <dzho> obviously it's not going to have the tons and tons of apps, but it is growing
[19:34] <thafreak> is it an app you sideload first?
[19:37] <dzho> thafreak: it is
[19:37] <dzho> then, you can manage repositories within the app itself, though I have not done that.
[19:37] <dzho> or, I guess I should say, I think you can do that.
[19:38] <dzho> [confirmation needed]
[19:39] <thafreak> nice, thanks for the heads up
[19:40] <dzho> hope you like it
[19:41] <dzho> not sure I'm ready for an android device that has no other proprietary software than the radio firmware (probably best case one can realistically use these days) but I'm open to working toward that.
[19:43]  * thafreak busy installing f-droid on all the devices
[19:50] <dzho> whee!
[19:50]  * dzho hopes thafreak doesn't blame him if his dog runs away or his truck gets stolen, now.
[20:12] <thafreak> of course i will...that's how opensource works
[20:14] <dzho> :\
[21:31] <drkokandy> Installing f-droid now :) first I've heard of it