| inetpro | fp | 06:05 |
|---|---|---|
| inetpro | good morning | 06:05 |
| === SmilyBorg_w is now known as SmilyBorg | ||
| superfly | morning inetpro, SmilyBorg | 06:21 |
| superfly | ohi zergi | 06:21 |
| SmilyBorg | Hey there | 06:21 |
| zergi | ohi [ALL] | 06:22 |
| zergi | hi superfly | 06:22 |
| zergi | who of y'all were at PyCon? | 06:22 |
| inetpro | zergi: can you eat it? | 06:22 |
| SmilyBorg | was curious, but figured I should learn python before going ;-) | 06:22 |
| zergi | .. probably, if you can eat Raspberri Pi, you could probably eat PyCon too. | 06:23 |
| inetpro | lol | 06:23 |
| SmilyBorg | so stayed home and played with my Raspberry Pi | 06:23 |
| zergi | ... there were NOOB classes there too. | 06:23 |
| SmilyBorg | bit expensive to go to Cape Town in the middle of the week to go to a noob class | 06:23 |
| SmilyBorg | though it would be nice to visit my grandmother | 06:23 |
| SmilyBorg | I'll go to the next one | 06:24 |
| Kilos | morning superfly and others | 06:36 |
| superfly | hiya Kilos | 06:48 |
| magespawn | good morning all | 06:56 |
| Kilos | hey magespawn | 06:58 |
| magespawn | hey Kilos | 06:58 |
| zergi | Kilos. Hi. From the mostly-absent one. | 07:09 |
| Kilos | hiya zergi you well | 07:10 |
| Kilos | where you been? | 07:10 |
| Kilos | hmm gone already | 07:11 |
| zergi | lol | 07:14 |
| zergi | still here | 07:14 |
| * zergi lurks | 07:14 | |
| === zergi is now known as zerlgi | ||
| Kilos | ah the l came back too | 07:18 |
| zerlgi | hehe | 07:20 |
| charlvn | hi zerlgi, Kilos | 07:23 |
| Kilos | hi charlvn | 07:23 |
| zerlgi | Hi Charl | 07:29 |
| zerlgi | s/Charl/charlvn/ | 07:29 |
| * zerlgi reads Sept Linux Magazine now | 07:40 | |
| * zerlgi has work to do. | 08:41 | |
| Squirm | hi | 08:53 |
| Kilos | hi Squirm | 08:53 |
| Kilos | hi Vince-0 | 08:53 |
| Vince-0 | Hi Kilos -lways lively in here! | 08:54 |
| Kilos | lol only just at times | 08:54 |
| zerlgi | lol | 08:58 |
| zerlgi | at least it isn't eating your bandwidth, Kilos :-) | 08:58 |
| Kilos | yeah ive been lucky with the 8ta 2+1 | 08:59 |
| Kilos | not scratching so bad anymore | 08:59 |
| Kilos | zerlgi, are you using ubuntu? | 09:04 |
| Kilos | oh, and meeting monday evening hey! be here | 09:05 |
| zerlgi | Kilos | 09:20 |
| zerlgi | yes, using 12.04 with Gnome-shell... about to put Mint on the wife's desktop so she doesn't have to fight unity | 09:21 |
| Kilos | lol | 09:29 |
| Kilos | im using unity and kubuntu and maverick still on another drive | 09:30 |
| zerlgi | the poor peeps in the office with U have endless crashes. (but not wanting to start a flame-war, it's not Friday) | 09:31 |
| Kilos | i nearly forgot zerlgi you can install mate on top of unity | 09:33 |
| Kilos | makes it very close to gnome2 | 09:33 |
| Kilos | works very well and much faster than unity | 09:34 |
| zerlgi | yip. Mate very much like Cinnamon from Mint | 09:38 |
| Kilos | Maaz, google MATE for 12.04 | 09:38 |
| Maaz | Kilos: "Ubuntu 12.04 – How to Install the MATE Desktop | Complete ..." http://complete-concrete-concise.com/ubuntu-2/ubuntu-12-04/ubuntu-12-04-how-to-install-the-mate-desktop :: "How to Install MATE Desktop in Ubuntu 12.04/Ubuntu 11.10 ..." http://ubuntuportal.com/2012/04/how-to-install-mate-desktop-in-ubuntu-12-04ubuntu-11-10.html :: "Howto: Install MATE on | 09:38 |
| Maaz | Ubuntu 12.04 with NO other Desktop Environments" http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linu… | 09:38 |
| Kilos | i like it | 09:38 |
| Squirm | Kilos: or you could just install Mint :P | 09:40 |
| Squirm | I installed it on my office machine this morning | 09:41 |
| Kilos | no i dont wanna be a traitor to ubuntu | 09:41 |
| Kilos | mate on 12.04 runs well | 09:41 |
| Squirm | it is Ubuntu | 09:41 |
| Squirm | well, Ubuntu derivative | 09:41 |
| Kilos | cds dont come from canonical | 09:42 |
| Squirm | no, it's not Ubuntu | 09:42 |
| Squirm | but Mint is based on Ubuntu like Ubuntu is based on Debian | 09:42 |
| Kilos | we cant all desert mark | 09:42 |
| Kilos | hehe | 09:43 |
| Squirm | actually, it even uses the default Ubuntu repo's | 09:43 |
| Kilos | mate is just a weak to 12.04 | 09:43 |
| Kilos | tweak | 09:43 |
| zerlgi | lol kilos | 09:48 |
| zerlgi | haha, M probably using a mac now. | 09:48 |
| Kilos | môre inetpro !! | 10:06 |
| Kilos | ai klaar middag | 10:06 |
| inetpro | Kilos: eh | 10:13 |
| inetpro | Kilos: ek was eerste wakker vanmore, is jy wat laat is | 10:14 |
| Kilos | o skuus man | 10:14 |
| inetpro | Kilos: hoe gaan dit :-) | 10:14 |
| Kilos | ok dankie en jy inetpro | 10:15 |
| magespawn | A quick one for those with network experience: Are bridges and hub still in use? | 10:16 |
| zerlgi | Huh? | 10:17 |
| zerlgi | in use in a small home office | 10:17 |
| zerlgi | vs in a big environment? | 10:17 |
| zerlgi | bridging via VPN perhaps. | 10:17 |
| zerlgi | hubs pretty much all "switches" these days. | 10:17 |
| magespawn | at all realy? | 10:17 |
| magespawn | thats what i thought | 10:18 |
| zerlgi | I don't think you can easily buy non-switching hubs. | 10:18 |
| magespawn | and you could replace a bridge with a router | 10:18 |
| zerlgi | (for ethernet) | 10:18 |
| zerlgi | y. | 10:18 |
| zerlgi | (yes) | 10:18 |
| inetpro | what is a bridge? | 10:18 |
| Kilos | hehe mage sort this thing out so i can come bother you | 10:18 |
| zerlgi | ... but some people like to L2 bridge rather than L3 route | 10:19 |
| zerlgi | @inetpro: I drove under some bridges today | 10:19 |
| inetpro | :-) | 10:19 |
| Kilos | i got another pc here that cant even ping the other one | 10:19 |
| magespawn | lol @ zerlgi | 10:19 |
| Kilos | ha ha ha | 10:19 |
| inetpro | magespawn: bridges are very much in use by VM environments | 10:19 |
| magespawn | okay just to keep the over all network load down? | 10:20 |
| tonberryE352 | switches are also very close to being hardware bridges | 10:21 |
| inetpro | tonberryE352: true | 10:21 |
| tonberryE352 | i think some of the fancier ones that support spanning tree protocol pretty much match the old description of a bridge | 10:21 |
| zerlgi | +1 tonberryE352 | 10:22 |
| magespawn | and I correct in thinking the fancier the switch the more capability it will have? | 10:22 |
| magespawn | oi still so much to learn | 10:22 |
| Kerbero | fancier is a synonym of capability... | 10:23 |
| magespawn | right | 10:23 |
| Kerbero | do you perhaps mean "the more expensive..." | 10:23 |
| Kerbero | on which i will answer "perhaps" | 10:23 |
| Squirm | magespawn: you also get your managed switches | 10:24 |
| Squirm | have a little web interface | 10:24 |
| Squirm | wait, I lie. quite a big web interface sometimes | 10:24 |
| Kerbero | we bought a very cheap managed switch | 10:24 |
| Kerbero | with some L2 functionality | 10:24 |
| zerlgi | "fancier" also often means "takes longer to set up" | 10:24 |
| Kerbero | and i regret it | 10:24 |
| Kerbero | cheap = unstable | 10:24 |
| Squirm | I think our managed switch was about R7k | 10:25 |
| Squirm | + the 2 fibre optic modules | 10:25 |
| Kerbero | that's about what it should be yes | 10:25 |
| magespawn | so with a managed switch you would have more routable options? | 10:26 |
| Squirm | I've used managed switches once or twice. but not really do do any fancy stuff. | 10:26 |
| Kerbero | well the main functionality one would use on them are vlanning and multicast filtering | 10:26 |
| Squirm | other than integrating ports | 10:26 |
| Squirm | Kerbero: yep. multicast filtering would help | 10:27 |
| magespawn | vlan = virtual lan? | 10:27 |
| Kerbero | magespawn, something like that yes | 10:27 |
| magespawn | cool that would be useful | 10:27 |
| Squirm | magespawn: you could essentially create multiple networks in one physical network. you could even split the ports if you wanted to | 10:27 |
| Squirm | so half the switch uses said ip range, the other half another | 10:28 |
| Kerbero | well i would not describe it by ip range | 10:28 |
| magespawn | could they be on different classes of networks? | 10:28 |
| Kerbero | as one can run many ip ranges on one ethernet | 10:28 |
| Kerbero | seperate ethernets basically | 10:29 |
| tonberryE352 | wikipedia calls them broadcast domains | 10:29 |
| Squirm | ah, kind of what I meant :P | 10:29 |
| magespawn | a bridge would be used to seperate two segments of the same network to lighten the load overall? | 10:31 |
| tonberryE352 | in pre switch days yes | 10:32 |
| magespawn | so now thw switch does the same thing essentially by intelligent switching? | 10:32 |
| magespawn | thw=the | 10:32 |
| tonberryE352 | pretty much | 10:33 |
| magespawn | cool | 10:33 |
| Kerbero | jip | 10:33 |
| magespawn | here is a blast from the past: a coaxial network card | 10:34 |
| Kerbero | the "filtering" in a bridge is essentially the same as the "send to the guy it is meant for" in a switch | 10:34 |
| magespawn | is a switch better than a bridge? i have never seen a bridge or worked with one | 10:35 |
| Kerbero | exactly! | 10:36 |
| Kerbero | the only bridges we see these days are software bridges on linux and routers | 10:36 |
| zerlgi | +1 Kerbero | 10:36 |
| tonberryE352 | and in the router case usually only to join the ethernet and wifi together | 10:37 |
| zerlgi | true dat. | 10:38 |
| magespawn | cool ty guys | 10:38 |
| Kerbero | magespawn, have you seen the online course on netwerks by stanford | 10:38 |
| magespawn | if you ever need questions answered about wildlife let me know. | 10:39 |
| Kerbero | *networks | 10:39 |
| magespawn | no | 10:39 |
| magespawn | i am busy with my A+ and N+ now | 10:39 |
| Kerbero | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/10/07/1725234/take-a-free-networking-class-from-stanford | 10:39 |
| magespawn | from these people http://www.it-academy.co.za/ | 10:40 |
| magespawn | will check it out ty Kerbero | 10:42 |
| Squirm | I'm going to the Microsoft IT Camp in Durban on the 23rd | 10:48 |
| Squirm | free MS camp on server administration. don't want to run MS servers, but there might be a few interesting concepts | 10:48 |
| zerlgi | like developing exploits. | 10:49 |
| zerlgi | ... | 10:50 |
| zerlgi | haha wouldn't that be fun. Go to MS camp and do a "takedown" | 10:50 |
| Squirm | that could be fun | 10:51 |
| Squirm | zerlgi: care to join? I would love to witness it | 10:51 |
| zerlgi | Definitely youtube moment that. | 10:51 |
| Squirm | get all the servers to BSOD at the same time | 10:52 |
| zerlgi | hehe. ... and MAC duplication on the network. so none of them could talk to each other after they get rebooted. | 10:52 |
| zerlgi | with evil Kerberos controller taking over network | 10:53 |
| Squirm | I wanted to go to the MyBB conference. I see it started today | 10:53 |
| Squirm | oh | 10:54 |
| zerlgi | watching it on the stream. and the IRC channel is fun | 10:54 |
| Squirm | they're streaming it live | 10:54 |
| zerlgi | http://live.ltnet.tv/ | 10:54 |
| Squirm | yeah, I see that | 10:54 |
| zerlgi | with twitter #mybb2012 | 10:54 |
| zerlgi | and irc.ltnet.tv | 10:54 |
| zerlgi | disconnected from it now coz I have some urgent work to attend to. | 10:55 |
| charlvn | good afternoon | 11:22 |
| charlvn | Maaz: coffee on | 11:22 |
| * Maaz washes some mugs | 11:22 | |
| charlvn | listening to: http://ltnet.tv/ | 11:23 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for charlvn! | 11:26 |
| charlvn | Maaz: thanks | 11:26 |
| Maaz | charlvn: No problem | 11:26 |
| magespawn | http://pooky.vdvyver.net:8089/ there is another stream here | 11:37 |
| Vince-0 | Anyone on Google+ ? Trying to create a sizeable Public Network - ZA circle | 11:43 |
| Vince-0 | add me: +Vincent Swart | 11:43 |
| superfly | Vince-0: there's a few of you, which one? | 11:51 |
| Vince-0 | ha | 11:54 |
| Vince-0 | Tech geek, metal head. | 11:55 |
| superfly | ah | 12:01 |
| Kilos | hehe | 12:02 |
| Kilos | metal head=gnomedome | 12:02 |
| Kilos | wbb | 12:18 |
| Vince-0 | wababa? | 12:20 |
| Vince-0 | superfly: didn't see anything on G+ yet | 12:20 |
| superfly | Vince-0: G+ is not Facebook | 12:23 |
| Vince-0 | ya and? | 12:24 |
| superfly | Vince-0: I followed you | 12:25 |
| superfly | You should get a notification | 12:25 |
| Vince-0 | ok, nothing yet | 12:25 |
| Vince-0 | when my ZA circle grows I'll reshare it | 12:26 |
| Kilos | oh my zergles gone | 12:35 |
| charlvn | moshi moshi | 14:06 |
| charlvn | wow hectic day | 14:06 |
| charlvn | magespawn: can't seem to connect to pooky.vdvyver.net:8089 | 14:06 |
| magespawn | they put it in to the irc on the ltg tv site | 14:07 |
| magespawn | they guy who put it up wanted to see how many ppl would connect using ipv6 | 14:08 |
| magespawn | i plugged it into vlc, didn't use a browser | 14:08 |
| magespawn | he may have taken it down already | 14:08 |
| charlvn | seems like the stream is either down or the event is over | 14:08 |
| charlvn | i get this on the other stream now: http://i.imgur.com/Y00w2.png | 14:08 |
| charlvn | magespawn: ah i see, that could have been my mistake | 14:09 |
| charlvn | hmm, vlc doesn't play anything either | 14:10 |
| charlvn | VLC is unable to open the MRL 'http://pooky.vdvyver.net:8089/'. | 14:10 |
| magespawn | maybe they took it down already | 14:12 |
| Vince-0 | superfly: still nothing on G+. You sure you got the right me? | 14:23 |
| magespawn | later all | 14:38 |
| Kilos | inetpro, waar is die reen | 15:58 |
| Kilos | môre eers? | 15:58 |
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| acherv | hi @all | 16:21 |
| Kilos | hi acherv | 16:21 |
| Kilos | whats with the @ | 16:21 |
| acherv | Kilos: meaning hi at all | 16:22 |
| Kilos | lol | 16:22 |
| Kilos | thats a twitter habit hey? | 16:23 |
| acherv | yep | 16:23 |
| Kilos | lol | 16:23 |
| magespawn | has anyone else seen http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/10/canonical-asks-desktop-users-to-pay-what-you-think-ubuntu-is-worth/ | 17:11 |
| magespawn | anybody experinced this | 17:11 |
| magespawn | ? | 17:11 |
| Kilos | oh my is mark broke | 17:11 |
| Kilos | ? | 17:11 |
| magespawn | lets hope not | 17:12 |
| Kilos | or they just wanna go the lappy route | 17:12 |
| Kilos | like getting cds/dvds from them things | 17:13 |
| Kilos | um | 17:13 |
| Kilos | at the varsities | 17:13 |
| superfly | magespawn: I think that's just for if you'd like to donate | 17:13 |
| magespawn | they have to try and make money some how | 17:13 |
| magespawn | it is, bit like humble bundle. | 17:14 |
| Kilos | do any rich peeps use ubuntu? | 17:14 |
| Kilos | whats those machines at varsities called | 17:15 |
| Kilos | ah | 17:15 |
| Kilos | toasters | 17:15 |
| Kilos | freedom toasters | 17:15 |
| Kilos | do they still work? | 17:16 |
| magespawn | any thoughts on this one http://m.infoworld.com/d/data-center/ubuntu-has-bigger-problem-its-amazon-blunder-203467?mm_ref=http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FHKC4BPo6 | 17:23 |
| magespawn | i have long become comfortable with the fact that everything i put online is in the public domain | 17:24 |
| magespawn | BUT i must choose to put it there | 17:24 |
| Kilos | learn how to hack the dash magespawn and remove the link to amazon | 17:30 |
| Kilos | im sure lotsa peeps will thank you | 17:31 |
| magespawn | apparently you can already do it through apt-get | 17:33 |
| magespawn | not something i would actually be too concerned about | 17:34 |
| magespawn | they are going to have to do a lot worse than that to lose me as a user, wonder if it is in the other buntu's? | 17:39 |
| magespawn | superfly from twitter "@mraleph: No SciFi author foresaw this: we are building clans around languages we speak to the Machine." | 17:44 |
| Kilos | i dunno where you guys find the time to irc tweet fb and other things and still work as well | 17:46 |
| Kilos | hey secbrid | 17:49 |
| Kilos | didnt see ya | 17:50 |
| Kilos | charlvn, rand climbing again | 17:50 |
| magespawn | multitasking Kilos, and that is why sometimes you get no answers in here | 17:52 |
| Kilos | lol | 17:53 |
| Kilos | oh i thought it is because you's want me to try sort it out on my own first | 17:53 |
| Kilos | hehe | 17:53 |
| magespawn | the amount of help i can be, sometimes that is better | 17:54 |
| Kilos | no man | 17:54 |
| Kilos | at least kde hasnt got a dash thing | 17:58 |
| Cantide | weird, i can't use the launcher or menus | 18:06 |
| Cantide | how do i log out from the terminal? | 18:06 |
| Cantide | can't use the panels at all :< | 18:07 |
| Kilos | type exit | 18:07 |
| Cantide | sudo exit? | 18:07 |
| Cantide | or just exit? | 18:07 |
| Kilos | wait | 18:07 |
| Cantide | oh | 18:07 |
| Cantide | haha | 18:07 |
| Kilos | what you wanna log out of | 18:07 |
| Cantide | exit closes the terminal | 18:07 |
| Cantide | of the OS | 18:07 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:07 |
| Cantide | or do a vid restart | 18:08 |
| Kilos | sudo reboot | 18:08 |
| Cantide | need to get it back to normal | 18:08 |
| Cantide | thanks :) | 18:08 |
| Cantide | brb! haha | 18:08 |
| Kilos | whew one of the F keys | 18:08 |
| smile4ever | :) | 18:09 |
| smile4ever | hallo :) | 18:09 |
| Kilos | hi smile4ever | 18:09 |
| smile4ever | Kilos: oom kilos :) | 18:09 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:09 |
| smile4ever | :) | 18:09 |
| smile4ever | how is love, Kilos ? :D | 18:09 |
| Kilos | ? | 18:09 |
| Cantide | whew | 18:14 |
| Cantide | thanks, Kilos :) | 18:14 |
| Kilos | yw but there are easier ways if you got time for someone with brains | 18:15 |
| Cantide | i bet | 18:15 |
| Cantide | usually i do a vid restart | 18:15 |
| Cantide | but i set up a keyboard shortcut for that on my previous install | 18:16 |
| Cantide | and i haven't needed it since | 18:16 |
| Kilos | oh there is sudo gdm start and sudo service start i think | 18:17 |
| Kilos | not sure the service one | 18:17 |
| Cantide | hmm | 18:17 |
| Cantide | it's okay | 18:17 |
| Cantide | i doubt i'll need it again | 18:17 |
| Cantide | well, at least i know sudo reboot now :) | 18:17 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:18 |
| Kilos | i always battle with sudo shutdown | 18:18 |
| Kilos | it tells you to do funny things | 18:19 |
| Cantide | lol | 18:20 |
| Cantide | but now i gotta go study .-. | 18:22 |
| Cantide | see ya~ | 18:22 |
| smile4ever | bye :) | 18:30 |
| Kilos | toods smile4ever | 18:31 |
| Kilos | methinks early to bed tonight | 18:35 |
| Kilos | night guys sleep tight | 18:35 |
| Kilos | see you all morrow time | 18:35 |
| magespawn | later Kilos | 18:36 |
| magespawn | night all | 19:44 |
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