[06:05] <inetpro> fp
[06:05] <inetpro> good morning 
[06:21] <superfly> morning inetpro, SmilyBorg
[06:21] <superfly> ohi zergi
[06:21] <SmilyBorg> Hey there
[06:22] <zergi> ohi [ALL]
[06:22] <zergi> hi superfly
[06:22] <zergi> who of y'all were at PyCon?
[06:22] <inetpro> zergi: can you eat it?
[06:22] <SmilyBorg> was curious, but figured I should learn python before going ;-)
[06:23] <zergi> .. probably, if you can eat Raspberri Pi, you could probably eat PyCon too.
[06:23] <inetpro> lol
[06:23] <SmilyBorg> so stayed home and played with my Raspberry Pi
[06:23] <zergi> ... there were NOOB classes there too.
[06:23] <SmilyBorg> bit expensive to go to Cape Town in the middle of the week to go to a noob class
[06:23] <SmilyBorg> though it would be nice to visit my grandmother
[06:24] <SmilyBorg> I'll go to the next one
[06:36] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[06:48] <superfly> hiya Kilos
[06:56] <magespawn> good morning all
[06:58] <Kilos> hey magespawn 
[06:58] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[07:09] <zergi> Kilos. Hi. From the mostly-absent one.
[07:10] <Kilos> hiya zergi  you well
[07:10] <Kilos> where you been?
[07:11] <Kilos> hmm gone already
[07:14] <zergi> lol
[07:14] <zergi> still here
[07:14]  * zergi lurks
[07:18] <Kilos> ah the l came back too
[07:20] <zerlgi> hehe
[07:23] <charlvn> hi zerlgi, Kilos 
[07:23] <Kilos> hi charlvn 
[07:29] <zerlgi> Hi Charl
[07:29] <zerlgi> s/Charl/charlvn/
[07:40]  * zerlgi reads Sept Linux Magazine now
[08:41]  * zerlgi has work to do.
[08:53] <Squirm> hi
[08:53] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[08:53] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[08:54] <Vince-0> Hi Kilos -lways lively in here!
[08:54] <Kilos> lol only just at times
[08:58] <zerlgi> lol
[08:58] <zerlgi> at least it isn't eating your bandwidth, Kilos :-)
[08:59] <Kilos> yeah ive been lucky with the 8ta 2+1
[08:59] <Kilos> not scratching so bad anymore
[09:04] <Kilos> zerlgi, are you using ubuntu?
[09:05] <Kilos> oh, and meeting monday evening hey! be here
[09:20] <zerlgi> Kilos
[09:21] <zerlgi> yes, using 12.04 with Gnome-shell... about to put Mint on the wife's desktop so she doesn't have to fight unity
[09:29] <Kilos> lol
[09:30] <Kilos> im using unity and kubuntu and maverick still on another drive
[09:31] <zerlgi> the poor peeps in the office with U have endless crashes. (but not wanting to start a flame-war, it's not Friday)
[09:33] <Kilos> i nearly forgot zerlgi you can install mate on top of unity
[09:33] <Kilos> makes it very close to gnome2
[09:34] <Kilos> works very well and much faster than unity
[09:38] <zerlgi> yip. Mate very much like Cinnamon from Mint
[09:38] <Kilos> Maaz, google MATE for 12.04
[09:38] <Maaz> Kilos: "Ubuntu 12.04 – How to Install the MATE Desktop | Complete ..." http://complete-concrete-concise.com/ubuntu-2/ubuntu-12-04/ubuntu-12-04-how-to-install-the-mate-desktop :: "How to Install MATE Desktop in Ubuntu 12.04/Ubuntu 11.10 ..." http://ubuntuportal.com/2012/04/how-to-install-mate-desktop-in-ubuntu-12-04ubuntu-11-10.html :: "Howto: Install MATE on
[09:38] <Maaz> Ubuntu 12.04 with NO other Desktop Environments" http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linu…
[09:38] <Kilos> i like it
[09:40] <Squirm> Kilos: or you could just install Mint :P
[09:41] <Squirm> I installed it on my office machine this morning
[09:41] <Kilos> no i dont wanna be a traitor to ubuntu
[09:41] <Kilos> mate on 12.04 runs well
[09:41] <Squirm> it is Ubuntu
[09:41] <Squirm> well, Ubuntu derivative
[09:42] <Kilos> cds dont come from canonical
[09:42] <Squirm> no, it's not Ubuntu
[09:42] <Squirm> but Mint is based on Ubuntu like Ubuntu is based on Debian
[09:42] <Kilos> we cant all desert mark
[09:43] <Kilos> hehe
[09:43] <Squirm> actually, it even uses the default Ubuntu repo's
[09:43] <Kilos> mate is just a weak to 12.04
[09:43] <Kilos> tweak
[09:48] <zerlgi> lol kilos
[09:48] <zerlgi> haha, M probably using a mac now.
[10:06] <Kilos> môre inetpro !!
[10:06] <Kilos> ai klaar middag
[10:13] <inetpro> Kilos: eh
[10:14] <inetpro> Kilos: ek was eerste wakker vanmore, is jy wat laat is
[10:14] <Kilos> o skuus man
[10:14] <inetpro> Kilos: hoe gaan dit :-)
[10:15] <Kilos> ok dankie en jy inetpro 
[10:16] <magespawn> A quick one for those with network experience: Are bridges and hub still in use?
[10:17] <zerlgi> Huh?
[10:17] <zerlgi> in use in a small home office
[10:17] <zerlgi> vs in a big environment?
[10:17] <zerlgi> bridging via VPN perhaps.
[10:17] <zerlgi> hubs pretty much all "switches" these days.
[10:17] <magespawn> at all realy?
[10:18] <magespawn> thats what i thought
[10:18] <zerlgi> I don't think you can easily buy non-switching hubs.
[10:18] <magespawn> and you could replace a bridge with a router
[10:18] <zerlgi> (for ethernet)
[10:18] <zerlgi> y.
[10:18] <zerlgi> (yes)
[10:18] <inetpro> what is a bridge?
[10:18] <Kilos> hehe mage sort this thing out so i can come bother you
[10:19] <zerlgi> ... but some people like to L2 bridge rather than L3 route
[10:19] <zerlgi> @inetpro: I drove under some bridges today
[10:19] <inetpro> :-)
[10:19] <Kilos> i got another pc here that cant even ping the other one
[10:19] <magespawn> lol @ zerlgi
[10:19] <Kilos> ha ha ha
[10:19] <inetpro> magespawn: bridges are very much in use by VM environments
[10:20] <magespawn> okay just to keep the over all network load down?
[10:21] <tonberryE352> switches are also very close to being hardware bridges
[10:21] <inetpro> tonberryE352: true
[10:21] <tonberryE352> i think some of the fancier ones that support spanning tree protocol pretty much match the old description of a bridge
[10:22] <zerlgi> +1 tonberryE352
[10:22] <magespawn> and I correct in thinking the fancier the switch the more capability it will have?
[10:22] <magespawn> oi still so much to learn
[10:23] <Kerbero> fancier is a synonym of capability...
[10:23] <magespawn> right
[10:23] <Kerbero> do you perhaps mean "the more expensive..."
[10:23] <Kerbero> on which i will answer "perhaps"
[10:24] <Squirm> magespawn: you also get your managed switches
[10:24] <Squirm> have a little web interface
[10:24] <Squirm> wait, I lie. quite a big web interface sometimes
[10:24] <Kerbero> we bought a very cheap managed switch
[10:24] <Kerbero> with some L2 functionality
[10:24] <zerlgi> "fancier" also often means "takes longer to set up"
[10:24] <Kerbero> and i regret it
[10:24] <Kerbero> cheap = unstable
[10:25] <Squirm> I think our managed switch was about R7k
[10:25] <Squirm> + the 2 fibre optic modules
[10:25] <Kerbero> that's about what it should be yes
[10:26] <magespawn> so with a managed switch you would have more routable options?
[10:26] <Squirm> I've used managed switches once or twice. but not really do do any fancy stuff. 
[10:26] <Kerbero> well the main functionality one would use on them are vlanning and multicast filtering
[10:26] <Squirm> other than integrating ports
[10:27] <Squirm> Kerbero: yep. multicast filtering would help
[10:27] <magespawn> vlan = virtual lan?
[10:27] <Kerbero> magespawn, something like that yes
[10:27] <magespawn> cool that would be useful
[10:27] <Squirm> magespawn: you could essentially create multiple networks in one physical network. you could even split the ports if you wanted to
[10:28] <Squirm> so half the switch uses said ip range, the other half another
[10:28] <Kerbero> well i would not describe it by ip range
[10:28] <magespawn> could they be on different classes of networks?
[10:28] <Kerbero> as one can run many ip ranges on one ethernet
[10:29] <Kerbero> seperate ethernets basically
[10:29] <tonberryE352> wikipedia calls them broadcast domains
[10:29] <Squirm> ah, kind of what I meant :P
[10:31] <magespawn> a bridge would be used to seperate two segments of the same network to lighten the load overall?
[10:32] <tonberryE352> in pre switch days yes
[10:32] <magespawn> so now thw switch does the same thing essentially by intelligent switching?
[10:32] <magespawn> thw=the
[10:33] <tonberryE352> pretty much
[10:33] <magespawn> cool
[10:33] <Kerbero> jip
[10:34] <magespawn> here is a blast from the past: a coaxial network card
[10:34] <Kerbero> the "filtering" in a bridge is essentially the same as the "send to the guy it is meant for" in a switch
[10:35] <magespawn> is a switch better than a bridge? i have never seen a bridge or worked with one
[10:36] <Kerbero> exactly!
[10:36] <Kerbero> the only bridges we see these days are software bridges on linux and routers
[10:36] <zerlgi> +1 Kerbero
[10:37] <tonberryE352> and in the router case usually only to join the ethernet and wifi together
[10:38] <zerlgi> true dat.
[10:38] <magespawn> cool ty guys
[10:38] <Kerbero> magespawn, have you seen the online course on netwerks by stanford
[10:39] <magespawn> if you ever need questions answered about wildlife let me know.
[10:39] <Kerbero> *networks
[10:39] <magespawn> no
[10:39] <magespawn> i am busy with my A+ and N+ now
[10:39] <Kerbero> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/10/07/1725234/take-a-free-networking-class-from-stanford
[10:40] <magespawn> from these people http://www.it-academy.co.za/
[10:42] <magespawn> will check it out ty Kerbero
[10:48] <Squirm> I'm going to the Microsoft IT Camp in Durban on the 23rd
[10:48] <Squirm> free MS camp on server administration. don't want to run MS servers, but there might be a few interesting concepts
[10:49] <zerlgi> like developing exploits.
[10:50] <zerlgi> ...
[10:50] <zerlgi> haha wouldn't that be fun. Go to MS camp and do a "takedown"
[10:51] <Squirm> that could be fun
[10:51] <Squirm> zerlgi: care to join? I would love to witness it
[10:51] <zerlgi> Definitely youtube moment that.
[10:52] <Squirm> get all the servers to BSOD at the same time
[10:52] <zerlgi> hehe. ... and MAC duplication on the network. so none of them could talk to each other after they get rebooted.
[10:53] <zerlgi> with evil Kerberos controller taking over network
[10:53] <Squirm> I wanted to go to the MyBB conference. I see it started today
[10:54] <Squirm> oh
[10:54] <zerlgi> watching it on the stream. and the IRC channel is fun
[10:54] <Squirm> they're streaming it live
[10:54] <zerlgi> http://live.ltnet.tv/
[10:54] <Squirm> yeah, I see that
[10:54] <zerlgi> with twitter #mybb2012
[10:54] <zerlgi> and irc.ltnet.tv
[10:55] <zerlgi> disconnected from it now coz I have some urgent work to attend to.
[11:22] <charlvn> good afternoon
[11:22] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[11:22]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[11:23] <charlvn> listening to: http://ltnet.tv/
[11:26] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn!
[11:26] <charlvn> Maaz: thanks
[11:26] <Maaz> charlvn: No problem
[11:37] <magespawn> http://pooky.vdvyver.net:8089/ there is another stream here
[11:43] <Vince-0> Anyone on Google+ ? Trying to create a sizeable Public Network - ZA circle
[11:43] <Vince-0> add me: +Vincent Swart
[11:51] <superfly> Vince-0: there's a few of you, which one?
[11:54] <Vince-0> ha
[11:55] <Vince-0> Tech geek, metal head.
[12:01] <superfly> ah
[12:02] <Kilos> hehe
[12:02] <Kilos> metal head=gnomedome
[12:18] <Kilos> wbb
[12:20] <Vince-0> wababa?
[12:20] <Vince-0> superfly: didn't see anything on G+ yet
[12:23] <superfly> Vince-0: G+ is not Facebook
[12:24] <Vince-0> ya and? 
[12:25] <superfly> Vince-0: I followed you
[12:25] <superfly> You should get a notification
[12:25] <Vince-0> ok, nothing yet
[12:26] <Vince-0> when my ZA circle grows I'll reshare it
[12:35] <Kilos> oh my zergles gone
[14:06] <charlvn> moshi moshi
[14:06] <charlvn> wow hectic day
[14:06] <charlvn> magespawn: can't seem to connect to pooky.vdvyver.net:8089
[14:07] <magespawn> they put it in to the irc on the ltg tv site
[14:08] <magespawn> they guy who put it up wanted to see how many ppl would connect using ipv6
[14:08] <magespawn> i plugged it into vlc, didn't use a browser
[14:08] <magespawn> he may have taken it down already
[14:08] <charlvn> seems like the stream is either down or the event is over
[14:08] <charlvn> i get this on the other stream now: http://i.imgur.com/Y00w2.png
[14:09] <charlvn> magespawn: ah i see, that could have been my mistake
[14:10] <charlvn> hmm, vlc doesn't play anything either
[14:10] <charlvn> VLC is unable to open the MRL 'http://pooky.vdvyver.net:8089/'.
[14:12] <magespawn> maybe they took it down already 
[14:23] <Vince-0> superfly: still nothing on G+. You sure you got the right me?
[14:38] <magespawn> later all
[15:58] <Kilos> inetpro, waar is die reen
[15:58] <Kilos> môre eers?
[16:21] <acherv> hi @all
[16:21] <Kilos> hi acherv 
[16:21] <Kilos> whats with the @
[16:22] <acherv> Kilos:  meaning hi at all
[16:22] <Kilos> lol
[16:23] <Kilos> thats a twitter habit hey?
[16:23] <acherv> yep
[16:23] <Kilos> lol
[17:11] <magespawn> has anyone else seen http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/10/canonical-asks-desktop-users-to-pay-what-you-think-ubuntu-is-worth/ 
[17:11] <magespawn> anybody experinced this
[17:11] <magespawn> ?
[17:11] <Kilos> oh my is mark broke
[17:11] <Kilos> ?
[17:12] <magespawn> lets hope not
[17:12] <Kilos> or they just wanna go the lappy route
[17:13] <Kilos> like getting cds/dvds from them things
[17:13] <Kilos> um
[17:13] <Kilos> at the varsities
[17:13] <superfly> magespawn: I think that's just for if you'd like to donate
[17:13] <magespawn> they have to try and make money some how
[17:14] <magespawn> it is, bit like humble bundle.
[17:14] <Kilos> do any rich peeps use ubuntu?
[17:15] <Kilos> whats those machines at varsities called
[17:15] <Kilos> ah
[17:15] <Kilos> toasters
[17:15] <Kilos> freedom toasters
[17:16] <Kilos> do they still work?
[17:23] <magespawn> any thoughts on this one http://m.infoworld.com/d/data-center/ubuntu-has-bigger-problem-its-amazon-blunder-203467?mm_ref=http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FHKC4BPo6
[17:24] <magespawn> i have long become comfortable with the fact that everything i put online is in the public domain
[17:24] <magespawn> BUT i must choose to put it there
[17:30] <Kilos> learn how to hack the dash magespawn  and remove the link to amazon
[17:31] <Kilos> im sure lotsa peeps will thank you
[17:33] <magespawn> apparently you can already do it through apt-get
[17:34] <magespawn> not something i would actually be too concerned about
[17:39] <magespawn> they are going to have to do a lot worse than that to lose me as a user, wonder if it is in the other buntu's?
[17:44] <magespawn> superfly from twitter "@mraleph: No SciFi author foresaw this: we are building clans around languages we speak to the Machine."
[17:46] <Kilos> i dunno where you guys find the time to irc tweet fb and other things and still work as well
[17:49] <Kilos> hey secbrid
[17:50] <Kilos> didnt see ya 
[17:50] <Kilos> charlvn, rand climbing again
[17:52] <magespawn> multitasking Kilos, and that is why sometimes you get no answers in here
[17:53] <Kilos> lol
[17:53] <Kilos> oh i thought it is because you's want me to try sort it out on my own first
[17:53] <Kilos> hehe
[17:54] <magespawn> the amount of help i can be, sometimes that is better
[17:54] <Kilos> no man
[17:58] <Kilos> at least kde hasnt got a dash thing
[18:06] <Cantide> weird, i can't use the launcher or menus
[18:06] <Cantide> how do i log out from the terminal?
[18:07] <Cantide> can't use the panels at all :<
[18:07] <Kilos> type exit
[18:07] <Cantide> sudo exit?
[18:07] <Cantide> or just exit?
[18:07] <Kilos> wait
[18:07] <Cantide> oh
[18:07] <Cantide> haha
[18:07] <Kilos> what you wanna log out of
[18:07] <Cantide> exit closes the terminal
[18:07] <Cantide> of the OS
[18:07] <Kilos> lol
[18:08] <Cantide> or do a vid restart
[18:08] <Kilos> sudo reboot
[18:08] <Cantide> need to get it back to normal
[18:08] <Cantide> thanks :)
[18:08] <Cantide> brb! haha
[18:08] <Kilos> whew one of the F keys
[18:09] <smile4ever> :)
[18:09] <smile4ever> hallo :)
[18:09] <Kilos> hi smile4ever 
[18:09] <smile4ever> Kilos: oom kilos :)
[18:09] <Kilos> lol
[18:09] <smile4ever> :)
[18:09] <smile4ever> how is love, Kilos ? :D
[18:09] <Kilos> ?
[18:14] <Cantide> whew
[18:14] <Cantide> thanks, Kilos :)
[18:15] <Kilos> yw but there are easier ways if you got time for someone with brains
[18:15] <Cantide> i bet
[18:15] <Cantide> usually i do a vid restart
[18:16] <Cantide> but i set up a keyboard shortcut for that on my previous install
[18:16] <Cantide> and i haven't needed it since
[18:17] <Kilos> oh there is sudo gdm start and sudo service start i think
[18:17] <Kilos> not sure the service one
[18:17] <Cantide> hmm
[18:17] <Cantide> it's okay
[18:17] <Cantide> i doubt i'll need it again
[18:17] <Cantide> well, at least i know sudo reboot now :)
[18:18] <Kilos> lol
[18:18] <Kilos> i always battle with sudo shutdown
[18:19] <Kilos> it tells you to do funny things
[18:20] <Cantide> lol
[18:22] <Cantide> but now i gotta go study .-.
[18:22] <Cantide> see ya~
[18:30] <smile4ever> bye :)
[18:31] <Kilos> toods smile4ever 
[18:35] <Kilos> methinks early to bed tonight
[18:35] <Kilos> night guys sleep tight
[18:35] <Kilos> see you all morrow time
[18:36] <magespawn> later Kilos
[19:44] <magespawn> night all