[06:05] fp [06:05] good morning === SmilyBorg_w is now known as SmilyBorg [06:21] morning inetpro, SmilyBorg [06:21] ohi zergi [06:21] Hey there [06:22] ohi [ALL] [06:22] hi superfly [06:22] who of y'all were at PyCon? [06:22] zergi: can you eat it? [06:22] was curious, but figured I should learn python before going ;-) [06:23] .. probably, if you can eat Raspberri Pi, you could probably eat PyCon too. [06:23] lol [06:23] so stayed home and played with my Raspberry Pi [06:23] ... there were NOOB classes there too. [06:23] bit expensive to go to Cape Town in the middle of the week to go to a noob class [06:23] though it would be nice to visit my grandmother [06:24] I'll go to the next one [06:36] morning superfly and others [06:48] hiya Kilos [06:56] good morning all [06:58] hey magespawn [06:58] hey Kilos [07:09] Kilos. Hi. From the mostly-absent one. [07:10] hiya zergi you well [07:10] where you been? [07:11] hmm gone already [07:14] lol [07:14] still here [07:14] * zergi lurks === zergi is now known as zerlgi [07:18] ah the l came back too [07:20] hehe [07:23] hi zerlgi, Kilos [07:23] hi charlvn [07:29] Hi Charl [07:29] s/Charl/charlvn/ [07:40] * zerlgi reads Sept Linux Magazine now [08:41] * zerlgi has work to do. [08:53] hi [08:53] hi Squirm [08:53] hi Vince-0 [08:54] Hi Kilos -lways lively in here! [08:54] lol only just at times [08:58] lol [08:58] at least it isn't eating your bandwidth, Kilos :-) [08:59] yeah ive been lucky with the 8ta 2+1 [08:59] not scratching so bad anymore [09:04] zerlgi, are you using ubuntu? [09:05] oh, and meeting monday evening hey! be here [09:20] Kilos [09:21] yes, using 12.04 with Gnome-shell... about to put Mint on the wife's desktop so she doesn't have to fight unity [09:29] lol [09:30] im using unity and kubuntu and maverick still on another drive [09:31] the poor peeps in the office with U have endless crashes. (but not wanting to start a flame-war, it's not Friday) [09:33] i nearly forgot zerlgi you can install mate on top of unity [09:33] makes it very close to gnome2 [09:34] works very well and much faster than unity [09:38] yip. Mate very much like Cinnamon from Mint [09:38] Maaz, google MATE for 12.04 [09:38] Kilos: "Ubuntu 12.04 – How to Install the MATE Desktop | Complete ..." http://complete-concrete-concise.com/ubuntu-2/ubuntu-12-04/ubuntu-12-04-how-to-install-the-mate-desktop :: "How to Install MATE Desktop in Ubuntu 12.04/Ubuntu 11.10 ..." http://ubuntuportal.com/2012/04/how-to-install-mate-desktop-in-ubuntu-12-04ubuntu-11-10.html :: "Howto: Install MATE on [09:38] Ubuntu 12.04 with NO other Desktop Environments" http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linu… [09:38] i like it [09:40] Kilos: or you could just install Mint :P [09:41] I installed it on my office machine this morning [09:41] no i dont wanna be a traitor to ubuntu [09:41] mate on 12.04 runs well [09:41] it is Ubuntu [09:41] well, Ubuntu derivative [09:42] cds dont come from canonical [09:42] no, it's not Ubuntu [09:42] but Mint is based on Ubuntu like Ubuntu is based on Debian [09:42] we cant all desert mark [09:43] hehe [09:43] actually, it even uses the default Ubuntu repo's [09:43] mate is just a weak to 12.04 [09:43] tweak [09:48] lol kilos [09:48] haha, M probably using a mac now. [10:06] môre inetpro !! [10:06] ai klaar middag [10:13] Kilos: eh [10:14] Kilos: ek was eerste wakker vanmore, is jy wat laat is [10:14] o skuus man [10:14] Kilos: hoe gaan dit :-) [10:15] ok dankie en jy inetpro [10:16] A quick one for those with network experience: Are bridges and hub still in use? [10:17] Huh? [10:17] in use in a small home office [10:17] vs in a big environment? [10:17] bridging via VPN perhaps. [10:17] hubs pretty much all "switches" these days. [10:17] at all realy? [10:18] thats what i thought [10:18] I don't think you can easily buy non-switching hubs. [10:18] and you could replace a bridge with a router [10:18] (for ethernet) [10:18] y. [10:18] (yes) [10:18] what is a bridge? [10:18] hehe mage sort this thing out so i can come bother you [10:19] ... but some people like to L2 bridge rather than L3 route [10:19] @inetpro: I drove under some bridges today [10:19] :-) [10:19] i got another pc here that cant even ping the other one [10:19] lol @ zerlgi [10:19] ha ha ha [10:19] magespawn: bridges are very much in use by VM environments [10:20] okay just to keep the over all network load down? [10:21] switches are also very close to being hardware bridges [10:21] tonberryE352: true [10:21] i think some of the fancier ones that support spanning tree protocol pretty much match the old description of a bridge [10:22] +1 tonberryE352 [10:22] and I correct in thinking the fancier the switch the more capability it will have? [10:22] oi still so much to learn [10:23] fancier is a synonym of capability... [10:23] right [10:23] do you perhaps mean "the more expensive..." [10:23] on which i will answer "perhaps" [10:24] magespawn: you also get your managed switches [10:24] have a little web interface [10:24] wait, I lie. quite a big web interface sometimes [10:24] we bought a very cheap managed switch [10:24] with some L2 functionality [10:24] "fancier" also often means "takes longer to set up" [10:24] and i regret it [10:24] cheap = unstable [10:25] I think our managed switch was about R7k [10:25] + the 2 fibre optic modules [10:25] that's about what it should be yes [10:26] so with a managed switch you would have more routable options? [10:26] I've used managed switches once or twice. but not really do do any fancy stuff. [10:26] well the main functionality one would use on them are vlanning and multicast filtering [10:26] other than integrating ports [10:27] Kerbero: yep. multicast filtering would help [10:27] vlan = virtual lan? [10:27] magespawn, something like that yes [10:27] cool that would be useful [10:27] magespawn: you could essentially create multiple networks in one physical network. you could even split the ports if you wanted to [10:28] so half the switch uses said ip range, the other half another [10:28] well i would not describe it by ip range [10:28] could they be on different classes of networks? [10:28] as one can run many ip ranges on one ethernet [10:29] seperate ethernets basically [10:29] wikipedia calls them broadcast domains [10:29] ah, kind of what I meant :P [10:31] a bridge would be used to seperate two segments of the same network to lighten the load overall? [10:32] in pre switch days yes [10:32] so now thw switch does the same thing essentially by intelligent switching? [10:32] thw=the [10:33] pretty much [10:33] cool [10:33] jip [10:34] here is a blast from the past: a coaxial network card [10:34] the "filtering" in a bridge is essentially the same as the "send to the guy it is meant for" in a switch [10:35] is a switch better than a bridge? i have never seen a bridge or worked with one [10:36] exactly! [10:36] the only bridges we see these days are software bridges on linux and routers [10:36] +1 Kerbero [10:37] and in the router case usually only to join the ethernet and wifi together [10:38] true dat. [10:38] cool ty guys [10:38] magespawn, have you seen the online course on netwerks by stanford [10:39] if you ever need questions answered about wildlife let me know. [10:39] *networks [10:39] no [10:39] i am busy with my A+ and N+ now [10:39] http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/10/07/1725234/take-a-free-networking-class-from-stanford [10:40] from these people http://www.it-academy.co.za/ [10:42] will check it out ty Kerbero [10:48] I'm going to the Microsoft IT Camp in Durban on the 23rd [10:48] free MS camp on server administration. don't want to run MS servers, but there might be a few interesting concepts [10:49] like developing exploits. [10:50] ... [10:50] haha wouldn't that be fun. Go to MS camp and do a "takedown" [10:51] that could be fun [10:51] zerlgi: care to join? I would love to witness it [10:51] Definitely youtube moment that. [10:52] get all the servers to BSOD at the same time [10:52] hehe. ... and MAC duplication on the network. so none of them could talk to each other after they get rebooted. [10:53] with evil Kerberos controller taking over network [10:53] I wanted to go to the MyBB conference. I see it started today [10:54] oh [10:54] watching it on the stream. and the IRC channel is fun [10:54] they're streaming it live [10:54] http://live.ltnet.tv/ [10:54] yeah, I see that [10:54] with twitter #mybb2012 [10:54] and irc.ltnet.tv [10:55] disconnected from it now coz I have some urgent work to attend to. [11:22] good afternoon [11:22] Maaz: coffee on [11:22] * Maaz washes some mugs [11:23] listening to: http://ltnet.tv/ [11:26] Coffee's ready for charlvn! [11:26] Maaz: thanks [11:26] charlvn: No problem [11:37] http://pooky.vdvyver.net:8089/ there is another stream here [11:43] Anyone on Google+ ? Trying to create a sizeable Public Network - ZA circle [11:43] add me: +Vincent Swart [11:51] Vince-0: there's a few of you, which one? [11:54] ha [11:55] Tech geek, metal head. [12:01] ah [12:02] hehe [12:02] metal head=gnomedome [12:18] wbb [12:20] wababa? [12:20] superfly: didn't see anything on G+ yet [12:23] Vince-0: G+ is not Facebook [12:24] ya and? [12:25] Vince-0: I followed you [12:25] You should get a notification [12:25] ok, nothing yet [12:26] when my ZA circle grows I'll reshare it [12:35] oh my zergles gone [14:06] moshi moshi [14:06] wow hectic day [14:06] magespawn: can't seem to connect to pooky.vdvyver.net:8089 [14:07] they put it in to the irc on the ltg tv site [14:08] they guy who put it up wanted to see how many ppl would connect using ipv6 [14:08] i plugged it into vlc, didn't use a browser [14:08] he may have taken it down already [14:08] seems like the stream is either down or the event is over [14:08] i get this on the other stream now: http://i.imgur.com/Y00w2.png [14:09] magespawn: ah i see, that could have been my mistake [14:10] hmm, vlc doesn't play anything either [14:10] VLC is unable to open the MRL 'http://pooky.vdvyver.net:8089/'. [14:12] maybe they took it down already [14:23] superfly: still nothing on G+. You sure you got the right me? [14:38] later all [15:58] inetpro, waar is die reen [15:58] môre eers? === magespawn_ is now known as magespawn [16:21] hi @all [16:21] hi acherv [16:21] whats with the @ [16:22] Kilos: meaning hi at all [16:22] lol [16:23] thats a twitter habit hey? [16:23] yep [16:23] lol [17:11] has anyone else seen http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/10/canonical-asks-desktop-users-to-pay-what-you-think-ubuntu-is-worth/ [17:11] anybody experinced this [17:11] ? [17:11] oh my is mark broke [17:11] ? [17:12] lets hope not [17:12] or they just wanna go the lappy route [17:13] like getting cds/dvds from them things [17:13] um [17:13] at the varsities [17:13] magespawn: I think that's just for if you'd like to donate [17:13] they have to try and make money some how [17:14] it is, bit like humble bundle. [17:14] do any rich peeps use ubuntu? [17:15] whats those machines at varsities called [17:15] ah [17:15] toasters [17:15] freedom toasters [17:16] do they still work? [17:23] any thoughts on this one http://m.infoworld.com/d/data-center/ubuntu-has-bigger-problem-its-amazon-blunder-203467?mm_ref=http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FHKC4BPo6 [17:24] i have long become comfortable with the fact that everything i put online is in the public domain [17:24] BUT i must choose to put it there [17:30] learn how to hack the dash magespawn and remove the link to amazon [17:31] im sure lotsa peeps will thank you [17:33] apparently you can already do it through apt-get [17:34] not something i would actually be too concerned about [17:39] they are going to have to do a lot worse than that to lose me as a user, wonder if it is in the other buntu's? [17:44] superfly from twitter "@mraleph: No SciFi author foresaw this: we are building clans around languages we speak to the Machine." [17:46] i dunno where you guys find the time to irc tweet fb and other things and still work as well [17:49] hey secbrid [17:50] didnt see ya [17:50] charlvn, rand climbing again [17:52] multitasking Kilos, and that is why sometimes you get no answers in here [17:53] lol [17:53] oh i thought it is because you's want me to try sort it out on my own first [17:53] hehe [17:54] the amount of help i can be, sometimes that is better [17:54] no man [17:58] at least kde hasnt got a dash thing [18:06] weird, i can't use the launcher or menus [18:06] how do i log out from the terminal? [18:07] can't use the panels at all :< [18:07] type exit [18:07] sudo exit? [18:07] or just exit? [18:07] wait [18:07] oh [18:07] haha [18:07] what you wanna log out of [18:07] exit closes the terminal [18:07] of the OS [18:07] lol [18:08] or do a vid restart [18:08] sudo reboot [18:08] need to get it back to normal [18:08] thanks :) [18:08] brb! haha [18:08] whew one of the F keys [18:09] :) [18:09] hallo :) [18:09] hi smile4ever [18:09] Kilos: oom kilos :) [18:09] lol [18:09] :) [18:09] how is love, Kilos ? :D [18:09] ? [18:14] whew [18:14] thanks, Kilos :) [18:15] yw but there are easier ways if you got time for someone with brains [18:15] i bet [18:15] usually i do a vid restart [18:16] but i set up a keyboard shortcut for that on my previous install [18:16] and i haven't needed it since [18:17] oh there is sudo gdm start and sudo service start i think [18:17] not sure the service one [18:17] hmm [18:17] it's okay [18:17] i doubt i'll need it again [18:17] well, at least i know sudo reboot now :) [18:18] lol [18:18] i always battle with sudo shutdown [18:19] it tells you to do funny things [18:20] lol [18:22] but now i gotta go study .-. [18:22] see ya~ [18:30] bye :) [18:31] toods smile4ever [18:35] methinks early to bed tonight [18:35] night guys sleep tight [18:35] see you all morrow time [18:36] later Kilos [19:44] night all === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za