| leblinux | hello hows everyone | 19:02 |
|---|---|---|
| Armageddon | hello | 19:09 |
| leblinux | hey whatsup? | 19:10 |
| Armageddon | not much | 19:11 |
| leblinux | are you on 12.04? | 19:11 |
| Armageddon | no, what do you need ? | 19:12 |
| leblinux | just wanted to know your feedback | 19:12 |
| leblinux | its been a while for me since I came here | 19:12 |
| Armageddon | I haven't used Ubuntu for over 4 yers | 19:13 |
| Armageddon | years* | 19:13 |
| Armageddon | my feedback has been the same since the 9.10 when they started to change, I don't approve or agree to the lack of freedom | 19:14 |
| Armageddon | and policies followed by canonical | 19:14 |
| leblinux | so what your using now? | 19:15 |
| Armageddon | those are not only my views, a lot of the coders and maintainers left because they didn't agree either (notably, head manager of the XFCE spin) | 19:15 |
| Armageddon | leblinux, whois me | 19:15 |
| leblinux | ok | 19:15 |
| leblinux | ah gentoo | 19:15 |
| leblinux | seems your fine with it | 19:16 |
| leblinux | getting along ;> | 19:16 |
| Armageddon | so far so good | 19:16 |
| Armageddon | never disappointed | 19:16 |
| Armageddon | when you build your own system it's usually your fault if you get disappointed | 19:17 |
| leblinux | as long as your customizing it the way u want ... u'll never be dissap.. | 19:17 |
| leblinux | 100% | 19:17 |
| leblinux | so you code on it? | 19:18 |
| Armageddon | sometimes, I also have my own repository for Gentoo with packages I created | 19:19 |
| Armageddon | which is public and anyone can add it easily | 19:19 |
| leblinux | :) | 19:19 |
| leblinux | nice | 19:19 |
| leblinux | what packages? | 19:19 |
| leblinux | like for what? | 19:19 |
| Armageddon | I have vim-qt a live build | 19:19 |
| Armageddon | I also have hmm | 19:20 |
| Armageddon | lemme look | 19:20 |
| Armageddon | key-mon | 19:21 |
| Armageddon | luainotify | 19:21 |
| Armageddon | flowblade and subdownloader | 19:21 |
| Armageddon | gnome-connection-manager and teamviewer | 19:21 |
| Armageddon | udevil | 19:21 |
| Armageddon | subdownloader and udevil are in the official tree now as well and I'm the maintainer | 19:22 |
| Armageddon | and grandr patched | 19:22 |
| Armageddon | even though grandr is now obsolete | 19:22 |
| leblinux | so most of them purpose of editing? | 19:22 |
| leblinux | ok vim is for editing | 19:23 |
| leblinux | key-mon? udevil? flowblade? | 19:23 |
| Armageddon | that's the only one for editing | 19:23 |
| leblinux | wha do they do. | 19:23 |
| Armageddon | key-mon shows you the keyboard strokes on the screen | 19:24 |
| Armageddon | very helpful if you do screencasts like me | 19:24 |
| leblinux | even passwords ;> | 19:24 |
| Armageddon | it's a keyboard on the screen | 19:24 |
| Armageddon | not a keylogger | 19:24 |
| Armageddon | if you're doing a presentation on a window manager and want to show people what you are hitting | 19:24 |
| leblinux | ohh | 19:25 |
| leblinux | got it | 19:25 |
| leblinux | udevil? | 19:25 |
| Armageddon | udevil is a standalone application mainly used by spacefm which is made by the same coder, makes it easier to mount/umount all sorts of things | 19:25 |
| Armageddon | flash drivers, drivers, samba drives, ftp etc... | 19:25 |
| Armageddon | not drivers | 19:26 |
| Armageddon | I meant partition drives | 19:26 |
| leblinux | this is a nice one | 19:26 |
| leblinux | why did u call it udevil? | 19:26 |
| Armageddon | I didn't, the coder did | 19:26 |
| leblinux | and your maintaining it now | 19:26 |
| Armageddon | only on Gentoo | 19:26 |
| leblinux | ok | 19:27 |
| Armageddon | I make the package for it for Gentoo | 19:27 |
| leblinux | have you tried the new kernel 3.6? | 19:27 |
| Armageddon | on it now | 19:27 |
| Armageddon | I need to try 3.6.1 | 19:27 |
| leblinux | I want to try the sleep-hybrid feature | 19:27 |
| leblinux | nice | 19:27 |
| leblinux | did u try it? | 19:27 |
| Armageddon | I'm having issues with my hardware, this is a new laptop | 19:28 |
| Armageddon | if the 3.6.1 doesn't solve the problems I'm reporting them | 19:28 |
| leblinux | mmm | 19:28 |
| leblinux | hhhh | 19:28 |
| leblinux | should support | 19:28 |
| leblinux | your laptop is the icore one with usb 3.0? | 19:28 |
| Armageddon | something like that but that's not the issue, I know what the issue is | 19:29 |
| leblinux | whats the issue? | 19:29 |
| Armageddon | msi | 19:29 |
| leblinux | in what hardware | 19:29 |
| leblinux | msi related to? | 19:29 |
| Armageddon | msi <--- that's the problem | 19:29 |
| leblinux | :> | 19:29 |
| leblinux | msi is a chip on the Motherboard? or something releated to vga/sound/acpi? | 19:30 |
| Armageddon | no, it's also a part of the kernel | 19:30 |
| Armageddon | there is a part called msi | 19:31 |
| leblinux | ok | 19:31 |
| leblinux | do you get any users having same problem with msi if you google? | 19:32 |
| Armageddon | I never checked | 19:32 |
| leblinux | ;> | 19:32 |
| Armageddon | but it doesn't really matter, there is no solution other than a patch in the kernel as far as I know | 19:33 |
| Armageddon | but I might be wrong | 19:33 |
| leblinux | ya | 19:33 |
| Armageddon | MSI stands for Message Signaled Interrupts | 19:33 |
| leblinux | sounds very important :) the core of the kernel purpose | 19:33 |
| Armageddon | meh | 19:34 |
| Armageddon | works fine until shutdown | 19:34 |
| Armageddon | so it's not a biggy | 19:34 |
| leblinux | it never shuts? | 19:34 |
| Armageddon | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/21574440/Screenshots/screenshot-10.11.12-15.33.27.png | 19:34 |
| Armageddon | kernel panics on shutdown | 19:34 |
| leblinux | damn | 19:34 |
| Armageddon | it's probably cause the shutdown sequence of stuff should be in a certain list and it's not doing that | 19:35 |
| Armageddon | a little quark should fix it if they know what the problem is that is :p | 19:35 |
| leblinux | i see | 19:36 |
| Armageddon | and flowblade is a video editor | 19:36 |
| Armageddon | I think it's non-linear | 19:36 |
| Armageddon | some of those apps I added, I don't use myself but they were asked of me | 19:36 |
| leblinux | nice that you maintain them... | 19:40 |
| Armageddon | I have plans but I'm waiting for the moment to see | 19:41 |
| leblinux | plans like? | 19:41 |
| Armageddon | everything in due time | 19:42 |
| leblinux | ok | 19:42 |
| Armageddon | by the way, do I know you ? | 19:42 |
| leblinux | no | 19:42 |
| Armageddon | okay | 19:42 |
| leblinux | I talked once with you like 2 -3 yrs ago here. | 19:42 |
| leblinux | and I never showed up | 19:43 |
| Armageddon | do you use vim ? | 19:43 |
| leblinux | honestly | 19:43 |
| leblinux | I use nano | 19:43 |
| leblinux | I just edit the lines and save | 19:43 |
| leblinux | nothing fancy and nothing about coding | 19:43 |
| leblinux | just small time bash scripting. | 19:43 |
| Armageddon | I use vim for everything | 19:44 |
| leblinux | yep lots of linuxers do ;> | 19:44 |
| Armageddon | editing, coding, writing papers in LaTeX | 19:44 |
| leblinux | am fine with nano | 19:44 |
| leblinux | yah LaTeX is superb for editing the format you like, installed it for couple of people :> but never used it | 19:44 |
| Armageddon | LaTeX is a language by itself | 19:45 |
| leblinux | 100% | 19:45 |
| Armageddon | but I use it all the time and now I use vim with a plugin for LaTeX | 19:45 |
| Armageddon | makes it easier | 19:45 |
| leblinux | there are laTEX plugins for EMacs; I wonder how powerful would that be | 19:46 |
| leblinux | my connection on terranet is frustrating at this hour | 19:49 |
| leblinux | it only speeds up after 1:00 - 2:00 AM till 10:00 | 19:49 |
| leblinux | then gets loaded by users and bandwidth decreases and I blame ogero | 19:50 |
| leblinux | :P | 19:50 |
| leblinux | does it happen to you? | 19:50 |
| Armageddon | I don't live in the country | 19:50 |
| leblinux | lucky you | 19:50 |
| leblinux | where? | 19:50 |
| Armageddon | I tried emacs for a while | 19:50 |
| Armageddon | I wanted to give it the benefit of the doubt | 19:51 |
| Armageddon | but I kept using the vim modes in it | 19:51 |
| leblinux | yah and? | 19:51 |
| leblinux | vim is faster | 19:51 |
| Armageddon | the keybindings are horrible | 19:51 |
| leblinux | doesn't load any ui | 19:51 |
| leblinux | :> | 19:51 |
| Armageddon | and I can do all the things I used to in emacs in vim if I want to | 19:51 |
| Armageddon | most of them are useless to me, like an IRC client | 19:51 |
| leblinux | yah vim is number 1 no doubt | 19:51 |
| Armageddon | why would I need that ? :o | 19:51 |
| leblinux | :> | 19:51 |
| leblinux | useless | 19:52 |
| Armageddon | the only thing I would agree on is that emacs is amazing but not for me | 19:52 |
| Armageddon | it's an amazing OS, it only needs a good editor :> | 19:52 |
| leblinux | vim for life ;> | 19:53 |
| leblinux | and nano for me ;> | 19:53 |
| leblinux | do you have a job? | 19:54 |
| leblinux | or you code and contribute from home only? | 19:54 |
| Armageddon | I don't give out personal information | 19:54 |
| leblinux | same | 19:54 |
| Armageddon | vim will be for you if you have 20 minutes of your time | 19:54 |
| Armageddon | and vim has a ui | 19:55 |
| Armageddon | it's called gvim | 19:55 |
| leblinux | dont like uis | 19:55 |
| Armageddon | it's the same package even though distributions put them as different ones | 19:55 |
| Armageddon | well some plugins need a ui | 19:55 |
| Armageddon | makes it easier sometimes | 19:55 |
| leblinux | MOUSE and clicks stalls me | 19:55 |
| Armageddon | I also use vim in firefox :> | 19:55 |
| Armageddon | Pentadactyl | 19:55 |
| leblinux | aha | 19:55 |
| Armageddon | there is one for thunderbird but I don't use it | 19:56 |
| leblinux | maybe for tb maintainers ;> | 19:57 |
| leblinux | wonder why ubuntu dropped evolution for thb | 19:57 |
| Armageddon | I don't use thunderbird | 19:57 |
| Armageddon | I never liked evolution even when I was using it | 19:57 |
| Armageddon | evolution was a requirement in Gnome | 19:57 |
| leblinux | yah | 19:58 |
| leblinux | your on gnome? | 19:58 |
| Armageddon | did you see the picture ? | 19:58 |
| Armageddon | :p | 19:58 |
| Armageddon | the screenoshot up there ^ | 19:59 |
| leblinux | yah | 19:59 |
| Armageddon | does it look like gnome ? :p | 19:59 |
| leblinux | xfce | 19:59 |
| Armageddon | never | 19:59 |
| Armageddon | doesn't look like XFCE either | 19:59 |
| leblinux | never looked close | 19:59 |
| Armageddon | I don't use DEs | 20:00 |
| leblinux | so your on console? | 20:01 |
| leblinux | or some WM | 20:01 |
| Armageddon | awesome window manager | 20:03 |
| leblinux | :> never heard f it | 20:03 |
| leblinux | looks awesome ;> | 20:03 |
| Armageddon | I have a screencast about it | 20:03 |
| leblinux | my first WM was E16 | 20:08 |
| leblinux | and was the amazing :> fancy | 20:08 |
| leblinux | with sound effects and UI | 20:09 |
| leblinux | afterstep was nice | 20:09 |
| leblinux | then dropped to e17 then gnome | 20:09 |
| Armageddon | well I went from DEs to WM | 20:11 |
| leblinux | lighter | 20:11 |
| leblinux | customizable | 20:11 |
| leblinux | you know I find out Linux is heaven for coders ... do you agree? | 20:13 |
| leblinux | I never succeeded in codeing ;/< | 20:13 |
| Armageddon | well it's not only for coders no, I wouldn't agree | 20:15 |
| Armageddon | I'm not a big coder, and I love it | 20:15 |
| Armageddon | it's a way of life | 20:15 |
| leblinux | but its the way coders want their OS to be | 20:16 |
| leblinux | its enough to know its built on files | 20:16 |
| Armageddon | not really, I like for a lot of reasons | 20:17 |
| Armageddon | and I contribute to it because I like it | 20:17 |
| leblinux | contribute by coding ;> | 20:17 |
| leblinux | patching/fixing/tweaking..etc | 20:18 |
| leblinux | I use it for sysadmin stuff. mostly... deploying/installing/configuring... love it. | 20:18 |
| Armageddon | no, by helping | 20:21 |
| Armageddon | I don't code anything | 20:21 |
| leblinux | you adding that too | 20:21 |
| Armageddon | well I do write the package ebuilds | 20:22 |
| Armageddon | but yea | 20:22 |
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